Estate System

[fodder]

But it requires people to do something. And that means they have to learn how to do something. And most people just don't want to learn.

bugs and interface aside, what's so different from having to use the old ox cart and the new caravans? they still have to do something. something needs doing, even if once only, otherwise food won't even get to the cities.

and ox carts are on their way out, no?

speaking of prediction, it would be nice for a region lord to see predictions for their own stupid region.

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...is it really team work to have central taxes that line the pockets of dukes who pays squat for food and then pay out gold manually?

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20 odd% giving 700. with investment and only 2 knights? someone tried it in ajitmon or something like that i think and it certainly dropped a lot faster than normal... don't remember how much he got out of it, whether he broke even or not.

thing is, i'm not sure 6 knights will help.. as i don't think having tons of estates is going to help much beyond a certain point of tax threshold. 

[dustole]

all you really need is 200% estate coverage in both authority and production.  Beyond that is just extra...

I can maintain a 20% tax rate in Niel (FEI)  quite easily.   But estate coverage matters for taxes, at least up to 200% coverage. 

[egamma]

all you really need is 200% estate coverage in both authority and production.  Beyond that is just extra...

I can maintain a 20% tax rate in Niel (FEI)  quite easily.   But estate coverage matters for taxes, at least up to 200% coverage.

Can we get confirmation of this? I thought that there was no benefit above 100%, at least for production.

Perhaps it would be ideal to have 100% coverage of production and 200% for authority?

[dustole]

Can we get confirmation of this? I thought that there was no benefit above 100%, at least for production.

Perhaps it would be ideal to have 100% coverage of production and 200% for authority?

Above 100% estate coverage will not give you more production or more gold, but it will keep your production from dropping when you run a really high tax rate.  I noticed that I get less production drops when I had over 200% production coverage. 

[Telrunya]

You get extra effects for Estate Coverage when it's >200%:

Good estate support benefits production.
Good estate support reduces independence.

And when it's >300%:

Excellent estate support benefits production.
Excellent estate support reduces independence and improves loyalty.

Basically they allow you to recover quicker and makes it easier to maintain a region (Which allows for higher taxes, more drafts etc.).

[Kai]

How do you keep morale up without courts when running taxes to fit 2-300% estate?

[dustole]

If you plan on running high tax rates, greater than 15%, you are going to need to have someone in or near the city to do work on it.   I am running 20% in Niel and have been keeping it there for a few weeks now, but I need to hold courts or do civil work every day to do so. 

[Telrunya]

Excuses, but apparently my percentages aren't correct. I just got Good Estate Coverage bonus with only 189% coverage.

[Kai]

If you plan on running high tax rates, greater than 15%, you are going to need to have someone in or near the city to do work on it.   I am running 20% in Niel and have been keeping it there for a few weeks now, but I need to hold courts or do civil work every day to do so.

Thats really boring.

[Peri]

You get extra effects for Estate Coverage when it's >200%:

Good estate support benefits production.
Good estate support reduces independence.

And when it's >300%:

Excellent estate support benefits production.
Excellent estate support reduces independence and improves loyalty.

Basically they allow you to recover quicker and makes it easier to maintain a region (Which allows for higher taxes, more drafts etc.).

Thresholds should be 150 and 200% if I remember correctly.

[Telrunya]

That might have been the mistake I made, yes.

[Nosferatus]

in case your intrested, I tried to push a rural region to the max with 2 knights(both on production) as described in my post earlier.
it projected something like 700 offcourse the actuall income was much lower.
But still a whoping 423 gold tax income where i normal reach 250/275 with something like 18% taxes.
this is what the region indicates for income (at 10/12% probably): Gold:       213 gold

To achieve this i had to invest on time, keep doing mercyful courts with police work to deal with the 10% + morale drops a day and raise the tax level between 24/26% and my region still looks as if she could handle another week of harsh taxes.

Just wanted to know how far it is practically possible to go in micromanaging a rural region.
Next time i'll pick a region closer to the capital thou...

[Chenier]

in case your intrested, I tried to push a rural region to the max with 2 knights(both on production) as described in my post earlier.
it projected something like 700 offcourse the actuall income was much lower.
But still a whoping 423 gold tax income where i normal reach 250/275 with something like 18% taxes.
this is what the region indicates for income (at 10/12% probably): Gold:       213 gold

To achieve this i had to invest on time, keep doing mercyful courts with police work to deal with the 10% + morale drops a day and raise the tax level between 24/26% and my region still looks as if she could handle another week of harsh taxes.

Just wanted to know how far it is practically possible to go in micromanaging a rural region.
Next time i'll pick a region closer to the capital thou...

That investment probably cost you the additional income you gained...

[Indirik]

this is what the region indicates for income (at 10/12% probably): Gold:       213 gold

That gold value on the region statistics is not a tax income predictor. It is the amount of gold generated by the region's economy per day. Not tax gold. Think of it as the amount of gold "spent" in the region each day when at 100% production. This is the figure to which your tax rate is applied. Like a sales tax.

It just so happens that the "Gold" rating of the region is the approximate tax income of a region with a 15% tax rate because of the way the math works.

[Telrunya]

With the new update, does it matter in what way the region is taken over for it to take effect? (I'm thinking of buying regions, regions switching allegiance on their own, Religious TO's etc.)