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Re: The Current War
« Reply #1680: March 02, 2013, 07:47:35 AM »
My (speculative) take:

Suville troops attacked Tara because Suville had attack orders, it was a neutral region that Tara was defending, and Suville and Tara had neutral relations.

CE only ended up in the middle of it because of the federation. If it was only an alliance, I think they would have sat it out like Coria and Strombran did. Basically the battle code read it as Tara was attacked, looked at all other relationships and decided Strombran and Coria had equal relations with both parties, then looked at Ce and decided it had stronger relations with Tara than Suville and would side with Tara.

I don't think murderous matters here because Suville didn't attack CE or any other allied party. They attacked the Tarans with whom they are neutral. Then CE came to the Tarans' defense. It seems logical enough to me. If it's a bug, it's not a glaring one. To me, this could conceivably be working as designed.

*Edit: Corrected a typo
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Re: The Current War
« Reply #1681: March 02, 2013, 07:52:23 AM »
My (speculative) take:

Suville troops attacked Tara because Suville had attack orders, it was a neutral region that Tara was defending, and Suville and Tara had neutral relations.

CE only ended up in the middle of it because of the federation. If it was only an alliance, I think they would have sat it out like Coria and Strombran did. Basically the battle code read it as Tara was attacked, looked at all other relationships and decided Strombran and Coria had equal relations with both parties, then looked at Ce and decided it had stronger relations with Tara than Suville and would side with Suville.

I don't think murderous matters here because Suville didn't attack CE or any other allied party. They attacked the Tarans with whom they are neutral. Then CE came to the Tarans' defense. It seems logical enough to me. If it's a bug, it's not a glaring one. To me, this could conceivably be working as designed.
+1, I highly doubt this is a bug.
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Re: The Current War
« Reply #1682: March 02, 2013, 08:22:45 AM »
That is a fine analysis, except that CE begin defending first:

Lion's Leap tried to evade foreign troops, but were spotted.
The troops from Tara set up defenses because they control the battlefield.
The confederates from Cagilan Empire join the defense.
The Darka troops attack because they are at war with Tara.
The Crimson Blades have attack orders.
Sailor's Wrath have attack orders.
Glassinn Gladiators have attack orders.
Warriors Of Glassinn have attack orders.
The Suville units join in to support their realm-mates.
The Coria forces stay neutral because they have friends on both sides.
The Strombran forces stay neutral because they have friends on both sides.
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Re: The Current War
« Reply #1683: March 02, 2013, 09:09:30 AM »
That is a fine analysis, except that CE begin defending first:

Lion's Leap tried to evade foreign troops, but were spotted.
The troops from Tara set up defenses because they control the battlefield.
The confederates from Cagilan Empire join the defense.
The Darka troops attack because they are at war with Tara.
The Crimson Blades have attack orders.
Sailor's Wrath have attack orders.
Glassinn Gladiators have attack orders.
Warriors Of Glassinn have attack orders.
The Suville units join in to support their realm-mates.
The Coria forces stay neutral because they have friends on both sides.
The Strombran forces stay neutral because they have friends on both sides.

It very clearly says:

The troops from Tara set up defenses because they control the battlefield.

And then also says:

The confederates from Cagilan Empire join the defense.

This clearly implies that Tara is considered the defender; the Cagilans are just supporting them (joining them in the defense). The mistake I (again speculatively) believe you to be making is to assume that the code is evaluating things in the order that they are written here. That certainly doesn't have to be the case. If you look at the way the list is ordered, it is logically arranged so that all the defenders are listed first, then the attackers, then the neutrals. In order to be able to present such a logical order, the code has obviously already determined who the attackers, defenders and neutrals are in advance of generating the text that we see. The order in which it chooses to then inform you about these results says absolutely nothing about how it got to them.

So I will say again, what I think happened here is that the code first determined that there was a defender in the region, then checked for attackers and found at least one. Then it assessed what everyone else would be doing based on the original attackers and the one original defender. In point of fact I could still be very wrong about the order of operations as I am making more than one assumption here, and almost certainly oversimplifying what is undoubtedly a very convoluted piece of code, but I suppose the overall point is that the way things worked out can easily be construed as logical, which means it's not necessarily a bug. Not saying it isn't, just that it's also not obvious that it is.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2013, 09:12:28 AM by Geronus »

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Re: The Current War
« Reply #1684: March 03, 2013, 05:57:27 PM »
It seems like someone wants to avoid this kind of battles in the future

An alliance was forged   (1 day, 2 hours ago)
The realms of Tara and Coria have joined into an alliance.

This had nothing to do with the battle gone wrong. This was already planned before that battle went wrong.

However if you see Tara and Suville signing peace, then yes...
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Re: The Current War
« Reply #1685: March 06, 2013, 10:22:11 PM »
I know the war against the evil empire ended in failure on Atamara but the war against the Colonies very own CE still continues apace. Come to Oritolon and help beat back the Lukonian hordes for fame and glory!

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Re: The Current War
« Reply #1686: March 06, 2013, 10:33:57 PM »
War was failure, but war is not yet over, so keep coming to Darka and turn the tide!

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Re: The Current War
« Reply #1687: April 16, 2013, 06:28:30 PM »
Wow, so I completely failed to notice that Wistir had one of those grandfathered rural-region palisades (who even remembers to look for those anymore?). That was a total bloodbath for CE and Friends. We had two siege engines in the whole army and almost as much cavalry as infantry.

On the other hand, if I am the Darkans right now, I am hunting down the lord of that region and flaying him alive for letting that priceless palisade get into such a state of disrepair. If Enri decides to keep taking that invasion route, you're really going to miss having it.

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Re: The Current War
« Reply #1688: April 16, 2013, 07:37:48 PM »
"Total casualties: 668 attackers, 129 defenders"

Doh! You're not kidding, that was a nasty battle.
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Re: The Current War
« Reply #1689: April 16, 2013, 09:30:03 PM »
That first battle made it impossible to repair the walls :/

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Re: The Current War
« Reply #1690: April 16, 2013, 10:23:17 PM »
That first battle made it impossible to repair the walls :/

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I know, but what you maybe didn't realize is that it was 60% damaged before the battle even started...

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Re: The Current War
« Reply #1691: April 16, 2013, 10:27:40 PM »
We noticed as soon as we saw that CE was headed north. There just wasn't enough time for the lord to get there and fix it.
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Re: The Current War
« Reply #1692: April 17, 2013, 04:49:44 AM »
Does that mean the walls are permanently gone?

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Re: The Current War
« Reply #1693: April 17, 2013, 04:51:43 AM »
Does that mean the walls are permanently gone?

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Re: The Current War
« Reply #1694: April 17, 2013, 08:31:35 PM »
Yesterday:

Sabotage!   (1 day, 2 hours ago)
message to everyone in Wistir
Enri Kinsey's guards, in Wistir, have captured Skiarxon Guldan, an infiltrator working for Darka while he was sneaking around the camp of Sir Enri Kinsey, General of Cagilan Empire, Knight of Calis, Marshal of Calis Lions conspicuously, with a poisoned dagger under his cloak.

Today:

Sir Enri Kinsey, General of Cagilan Empire, Knight of Calis, Marshal of Calis Lions has been wounded by Ashtongue Deathsworn (His brothers unit XD)

This is so funny..i don't even.... XD
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