The Current War

[jaune]

Hmm... I havent seen the battlereport, but if Tara set defence, Darkan fellow attacks... Suville is new arriwal and neutral to both, Darkan and Taran, they say Attake... Ce should have sitout since there is allies on both sides?

-Jaune

[Geronus]

This made sense to me until you said that Suville and CE were allied. Coria and Strombran sat out the battle because they had friends on both sides. Did the federation trump the alliance with Suville for CE...?

[Eirikr]

This made sense to me until you said that Suville and CE were allied. Coria and Strombran sat out the battle because they had friends on both sides. Did the federation trump the alliance with Suville for CE...?

I think this is likely. The Federation trumps all. What doesn't make sense is why Suville would then participate at all.

[Geronus]

I think this is likely. The Federation trumps all. What doesn't make sense is why Suville would then participate at all.

Well, if the battle code only compares their relationship with the original defender of the region (Tara), it makes perfect sense. They didn't attack the Cagilan troops, they attacked the Tarans. THEN the Cagilans joined the defense.

[Indirik]

Well they ARE allied. So its a bug.

Were they on murderous? I haven't seen the report.

In fact, posting the set-up portion of the battle report would be very helpful.

[Foxglove]

9 attackers (159 Inf, 127 Arch, 25 Cav, 92 SF, 14 other)
49 defenders (2007 Inf, 150 MI, 478 Arch, 688 Cav)
Total combat strengths: 6331 vs. 35994
13 neutral observers (8379 combat strength).

Lion's Leap tried to evade foreign troops, but were spotted.
The troops from Tara set up defenses because they control the battlefield.
The confederates from Cagilan Empire join the defense.
The Darka troops attack because they are at war with Tara.
The Crimson Blades have attack orders.
Sailor's Wrath have attack orders.
Glassinn Gladiators have attack orders.
Warriors Of Glassinn have attack orders.
The Suville units join in to support their realm-mates.
The Coria forces stay neutral because they have friends on both sides.
The Strombran forces stay neutral because they have friends on both sides.

The battle takes place in the middle of a storm, archers will be almost worthless.

[Vellos]

The Crimson Blades have attack orders.
Sailor's Wrath have attack orders.
Glassinn Gladiators have attack orders.
Warriors Of Glassinn have attack orders.
The Suville units join in to support their realm-mates.

One of those must be a Suville unit, maybe set to murderous.

[skiarxon@gmail.com]

It seems like someone wants to avoid this kind of battles in the future

An alliance was forged   (1 day, 2 hours ago)
The realms of Tara and Coria have joined into an alliance.

[Indirik]

No, I think "attack orders" is just Aggressive. Murderous is "are out for blood". It must be because Tara controled the field, and Suville is neutral. Aggressive will cause you to fight a neutral.

Anaris may be able to shed some light on this, as he has a better feel for the battle setup.

[GoldPanda]

http://bugs.battlemaster.org/view.php?id=7645

Bugs are causing the League more casualties than Darkan troops. I don't believe the Darkan players should be proud of that. -_-

My understanding of the combat code is that aggressive settings will not cause you to attack allies under any circumstances. Apparently I was wrong all these years.

I have asked for this before but was denied, but is it really that bad to release the algorithm that determines who fights on which side? That's rather important information to have, and right now only the Devs have access to it. Otherwise, we're just encouraging huge alliance blobs and "technical alliances" that I see people here decry all the time.

And yes, Enri will be sending another request to Tara and Suville to reconcile and sign a goddamn peace treaty already, with the battle report attached.

[Indirik]

Anaris has posted the details before. It's not a secret.

[GoldPanda]

Anaris has posted the details before. It's not a secret.

I guess I fail at reading comprehension then. I thought my understanding of the "who fights on which side" algorithm was rock solid.

Could you (or another Dev) please post it again?

Also, even given that my understanding is obviously wrong, I believe that this is still a bug. What is the point of an alliance if it does not prevent battles from breaking out between allied realms? In the worst case scenario, it should have been Suville troops attacking Taran troops, with everyone else staying neutral. Suville had an alliance with CE but attacked CE forces anyway. That is not intuitive to me.

[Indirik]

I don't have a copy of it handy. I may be able to look it up somewhere.

It is possible there is a bug in there somewhere, anyway. I thought you had to have Murderous in order to attack an ally.

[GoldPanda]

Right. All bets are off once you go "murderous", I understand that. That's not what happened in this case though.

[Telrunya]

Yeah, my bet is on the Federation as well. It tends to override other relations. But I wonder if this battle wouldn't have occurred if Tara and CE had an Alliance instead of a Federation, that would be odd. But I'm no expert on this, Federations do tend to confuse me, and Anaris can always tell it in a very simple and understandable way. He just needs to repeat it several times for people like me