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[Meneldur]

On a side note dosn't the Eleryonism religion acknowledge the validity of other faiths?
Perhaps I'm recalling it incorrectly but I seem to remember somthing to that extent when we tried to contact them during our brief mission into Giask.

[Anaris]

Could a Dev or someone with the needed authority provide judgement wether this would be violating any rules or not? I don't want this to litter the whole Dwilight thread...

Am I not devly enough for you?

[Anaris]

On a side note dosn't the Eleryonism religion acknowledge the validity of other faiths?
Perhaps I'm recalling it incorrectly but I seem to remember somthing to that extent when we tried to contact them during our brief mission into Giask.

Acknowledging the validity of other faiths is a bit borderline, but not necessarily bad.

Not declaring any specific beliefs of your own makes you not a religion.

[Shizzle]

Am I not devly enough for you?

Sorry, Anaris, I meant no disrespect. I would just like someone not involved in this discussion to Speak From The Heavens. You know, like only Devs can

[Perth]

Sorry, Anaris, I meant no disrespect. I would just like someone not involved in this discussion to Speak From The Heavens. You know, like only Devs can

Dude... Anaris IS a Dev.

[Glaumring the Fox]

I think the south western nations of Dwilight have been more tolerable of religions than the north because of lack of nobles and having to be more open to different ideas without it being a massive realistic medieval atmosphere. More nobles probably would have made our regions more homogenous like Caerwyn and Morek etc.

[Indirik]

While I am in no way "official", I'll toss in my two cents. This "Church of Tolerance" sounds a lot more like guild or knightly order than a religion. Religions are for the worship of a particular god/power, or pantheon of gods/powers. They are not for the formalization of a particular public policy or political agenda. Yes, religions often espouse public policy, and routinely have political agendas. But they at least profess a core belief in a higher power.  You can't have a religion with a core belief of "All religions are good". Your core belief is "This is god". If it's not, then you're not a religion.

[Shizzle]

Dude... Anaris IS a Dev.

Dude... I know. I wanted a Dev not already involved in this matter to have a say... 

[Bedwyr]

While I am in no way "official", I'll toss in my two cents. This "Church of Tolerance" sounds a lot more like guild or knightly order than a religion. Religions are for the worship of a particular god/power, or pantheon of gods/powers. They are not for the formalization of a particular public policy or political agenda. Yes, religions often espouse public policy, and routinely have political agendas. But they at least profess a core belief in a higher power.  You can't have a religion with a core belief of "All religions are good". Your core belief is "This is god". If it's not, then you're not a religion.

Mm.  I'd say more that a religion has to have a set of beliefs about the supernatural.  Whether they have a god or gods they worship specifically is not necessary.  I could see a religion, for instance, based on the Norse religion without the gods, merely a religion in opposition to the Jotun and what not.

[Vellos]

So, there's two more devs: Indirik and Bedwyr.

Satisfied? A Church of Tolerance, or any empty religion, or, frankly, IMHO, any religion founded exclusively to bump up peasant conversion rates to keep SA out, doesn't have a place in SMA.

[songqu88@gmail.com]

Anti-Sanguis Astroism would work though, if that's what your main concern is. Heck, I think you could even get away with calling it Anti-Sanguis Astroism (Protestantism really does mean what it sounds like you know...)

[Shizzle]

Anti-Sanguis Astroism would work though, if that's what your main concern is. Heck, I think you could even get away with calling it Anti-Sanguis Astroism (Protestantism really does mean what it sounds like you know...)

Touché

[Bedwyr]

Anti-Sanguis Astroism would work though, if that's what your main concern is. Heck, I think you could even get away with calling it Anti-Sanguis Astroism (Protestantism really does mean what it sounds like you know...)

If by that you mean that you hold the influence of the Blood Stars to be evil, then yes.  A religion that says "Sanguis Astroism is evil because they're totally taking over the continent!" would not be a good plan.  Now, you could, I suppose, have a Balance based religion that thought Sanguis Astroism was upsetting the balance of the world, but religion = theological first, political second.

[songqu88@gmail.com]

Aw, it doesn't have to be that non-ambiguous you know. I mean, that King Henry guy did split off the Anglican Church so he could have a divorce...

[vonGenf]

Mm.  I'd say more that a religion has to have a set of beliefs about the supernatural.  Whether they have a god or gods they worship specifically is not necessary.  I could see a religion, for instance, based on the Norse religion without the gods, merely a religion in opposition to the Jotun and what not.

There is a difference between an empty religion and a tolerant religion.

I could imagine a Church of Tolerance with these core beliefs, for example:

1. There are a multitude of Gods.

2. Here are a few: a., b., c., etc...

3. If you encounter a people who believe in a god other than yours, here is a test to find out if the god is real: step 1, step 2, step 3.

4. If the god is real, you have the obligation to worship him equally and not to hurt these people, for hurting them is hurting a God.

How would that not be SMA?