Bribing your way to a lordship (and other unorthodox ways of getting it)

[Kain]

What ways are there these days except getting appointed by ruler or duke?

You used to be able to bribe your way to a lordship (if the region had no lord at the moment), making you the new lord immediately if it succeeded. That seems to be gone in favor of bribing your way to a claim instead? But the claims seems rather worthless.

So what other ways are there? I know priests can make their followers rebell and put the priest as local lord of the region...

[Iltaran]

You can still bribe your way to Lordship. Sometimes peasants will revolt against their present Lord and put someone else in power. Priests can claim regions.

Don't know about any other ways.

[Kain]

You can still bribe your way to Lordship.

Really? The only options I ever see are these:
Buy a claim to this region... - some bribery and creative heritage tracing should do. - Gives only a claim which, according to my present belief, is close to worthless.
Buy this region... - use your family wealth to corrupt the local government. - Buys the entire region from another realm and brings it to your realm, making you the local lord in the process. Costs several thousand gold even for quite poor regions.

The old bribing to lordship was done in your own realm. If it still exists, how come I haven't seen it?

[Indirik]

Really? The only options I ever see are these:
Buy a claim to this region... - some bribery and creative heritage tracing should do. - Gives only a claim which, according to my present belief, is close to worthless.
Buy this region... - use your family wealth to corrupt the local government. - Buys the entire region from another realm and brings it to your realm, making you the local lord in the process. Costs several thousand gold even for quite poor regions.

The old bribing to lordship was done in your own realm. If it still exists, how come I haven't seen it?

It does not exist anymore. You can buy regions from other realms, but not lordships for regions already inside your realm.

[Kain]

It does not exist anymore. You can buy regions from other realms, but not lordships for regions already inside your realm.

Yes, that is what I figured.

So what is the point of claims really?

[Indirik]

So what is the point of claims really?

If a noble has a claim to the region, then they can be appointed as lord without either the noble or the ruler/duke needing to be in the region.

Also, if the noble with the strongest claim to the region is not appointed as lord, then the peasants may get angry, causing lowered stats. The effect depends on the strength of the ignored claim.

[Kain]

If a noble has a claim to the region, then they can be appointed as lord without either the noble or the ruler/duke needing to be in the region.

Also, if the noble with the strongest claim to the region is not appointed as lord, then the peasants may get angry, causing lowered stats. The effect depends on the strength of the ignored claim.

Yes, but in practice, do ruler/dukes care about this? It does not seem like it from my point of view.

Also, I forgot to ask before, why was the buying of lordships (in your own realm) removed? It seemed to be excellent for creating innovative and exciting events.

[Nathan]

Yes, but in practice, do ruler/dukes care about this? It does not seem like it from my point of view.

It depends on the realm. In Madina we care quite a lot about claims, but in Ohnar West/Giblot I haven't seen any mention of claims making a difference. I guess if you have a strong enough claim then you can make the case that it'll be too much hassle not to appoint you (they have to move there, then the courtiers have to fix the region up). If you're not happy, you can always move realms

[Indirik]

Yes, but in practice, do ruler/dukes care about this? It does not seem like it from my point of view.

It makes it easy to appoint nobles with claims. And when it's a 3 day journey to the region to appoint the noble you would prefer, many times people will accept their second choice because it's just more convenient. Also, avoiding that bit of discontent can be very helpful when the region is already marginal.

Also, I forgot to ask before, why was the buying of lordships (in your own realm) removed? It seemed to be excellent for creating innovative and exciting events.

It's the same as the "question nobility" thing. It was widely misunderstood by a significant portion of the players, and caused lots of problems.

[Telrunya]

It depends. Some Realms do indeed care about claims, but generally only when Lordship is appointed. I haven't seen people really caring about it during Elections. And if the region is in bad enough shape, it can mean the difference between keeping and losing it. A strong claim can then be quite convenient. It's all about the right opportunity.

[Bedwyr]

Mostly, I find claims matter when the region is at less than good stats, especially recent takeovers or if the old lord was thrown out by revolt.

[Kain]

It's the same as the "question nobility" thing. It was widely misunderstood by a significant portion of the players, and caused lots of problems.

Yes, that one vanished too. In what way were they widely misunderstood and what kind of problems did it cause? Forgive a man who had his characters paused for 4 years

[Chenier]

Yes, but in practice, do ruler/dukes care about this? It does not seem like it from my point of view.

Also, I forgot to ask before, why was the buying of lordships (in your own realm) removed? It seemed to be excellent for creating innovative and exciting events.

If the region needs a lord *now*, and they aren't close to it, then they will care for the ability to appoint remotely.

Otherwise, claims are mostly ignored because they work in funky ways that does not match with RP. They notably deteriorate too quickly and aren't given for RP things that would clearly deserve it but that the game can't calculate.