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BattleMaster => Locals => East Island => Topic started by: Zakilevo on June 29, 2012, 10:07:22 PM
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I don't know people know about the Obsidian Island newspaper but the editor of the paper always had the power ranking section. It was quite entertaining. Too bad he stopped working on the paper.
So I decided to continue that here instead :). I will only do up to top 5 since I am lazy.
Military Ranking (CS+Gold)
1. Sirion - With the highest gold income on the continent, Sirion can field over 25k CS easily and maintain it without any problem.
2. Perdan - With the second highest gold income, Perdan can field at least 20k CS. Their infantry heavy army destroyed Fontan forces behind the walls without trouble.
3. Caligus - They have the third highest income with potential to grow even larger as they have the claims over three regions with 1k gold income. Once they conquer those regions, they will be the strongest economic power on the continent.
4. Westmoor - Having the third largest city on the continent places Westmoor in the fourth place. Until one of the southern realms claims Ibladesh, Westmoor will most likely to hold this position. Also, having almost as many nobles as their mother realm Perdan helps them fight their larger neighbour, Sirion.
5. Armonia - Even without the largest city, Armonia has potential to become as big as the old Ibladesh. Sadly, they haven't had any military action yet but with the declaration of war, they will now get a chance to show their military might to other realms of the continent against Epollyn.
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Pretty good. I agree.
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Since Zaki is lazy, I'll finish it for him :P
6. Nivemus - In terms of income the sixth through to eighth realms are almost impossible to split. Nivemus has lots of nobles and a favourable strategic position due to their alliance with Sirion, putting them ahead of their rivals.
7. Eponllyn - About to face their moment of truth against Armonia. Control the breadbasket of the south, but thats unlikely to prove much of an advantage until Ibaldesh city recovers.
8. Obsidian Islands - Cursed by geography. Nevertheless, may soon seize seventh position if the war goes poorly for Eponllyn.
9. Fontan - A decade long history is about to end.
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Zak is obsessed with gold. This is not gold rank you know!
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Zak is obsessed with gold. This is not gold rank you know!
I know Foundation. :) But gold is power!
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Since Zaki is lazy, I'll finish it for him :P
6. Nivemus - In terms of income the sixth through to eighth realms are almost impossible to split. Nivemus has lots of nobles and a favourable strategic position due to their alliance with Sirion, putting them ahead of their rivals.
7. Eponllyn - About to face their moment of truth against Armonia. Control the breadbasket of the south, but thats unlikely to prove much of an advantage until Ibaldesh city recovers.
8. Obsidian Islands - Cursed by geography. Nevertheless, may soon seize seventh position if the war goes poorly for Eponllyn.
9. Fontan - A decade long history is about to end.
OI should always be last. Other than that, I agree!
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OI should always be last. Other than that, I agree!
OI is the last one? Check!
OI is in worst geography? Check!
I should go OI and transform it. Uncheck!
Nivemus just lost 1/4 of its nobles. They will go down in ranking 1 or 2 places I guess :(
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Nivemus just lost 1/4 of its nobles. They will go down in ranking 1 or 2 places I guess :(
How did that happen?
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How did that happen?
At least six were banned; all of whom were refugees from another realm and were suspected to be trying to take over.
My point still stands though, even after the purge they're bigger than OI or Eponllyn.
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How did that happen?
I banned 9 of them. For some untold reason only 8 were forced out... Maybe the other one had a 'Get out of ban free card'. We have dropped 10 nobles because a couple left because they were loyal to them or were outraged. Some people could call those banned Saxons. Honestly, Neji didn't care what they are. The way they acted hurt the realm and left no room for progress, and they were obviously anti-government, which is bad for you in a Monarchy. They were banned for that. I could go into more detail, but if you want to know just send me a message. Don't feel like re-writing my reasons for the forum to see. :P
I would say Nivemus is neck and neck with Eponllyn after the ban. Nivemus has better military CS(even though it takes a hit when you ban a fourth of your nation), but Eponllyn has more potential and could have Armonia locked into a 2v1 war if their new ally Caligus comes down South. I would keep Nivemus where it is for now, but it may need to shift downward pretty soon.
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I banned 9 of them. ...
Shhhh.... :-X
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Shhhh.... :-X
Oops. Sorry. :-X
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Oops. Sorry. :-X
Lol, if the event has happened and will not have so-ever-effect to change it, we can say it out on forum 8)
I might as well bring back 1 of my deported character to EC to spice things up :P
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I might as well bring back 1 of my deported character to EC to spice things up :P
He who controls the spice controls the universe. 8)
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He who controls the universe cantroll the spices.
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He who controls the universe cantroll the spices.
Luckily he has enough hippie-slaves to roll for him.
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I will be starting the OI paper up again soon, now that I am fully back online finally.
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Nivemus is kind of a holiday realm, a really nice place to be. Stzerland in politics, sandy beaches, we are nice to our pets and the peasants enjoy a good standard of living. Surely that should push us up at least to 5th?? ;)
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Nivemus is kind of a holiday realm, a really nice place to be. Stzerland in politics, sandy beaches, we are nice to our pets and the peasants enjoy a good standard of living. Surely that should push us up at least to 5th?? ;)
Switzerland? LOL.
Nah. We are just having fun while peace lasts, enjoying the tournaments, trying to get some religious aspects involved, and trying to make the realm a fun place to be even though no war.
Not Switzerland though. :P
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When the morning skies grow red,
and over us their radiance shed
Thou, Ora, appeareth in their light
when the Obsidian Isles glow bright with splendor,
pray to Ora, to Her surrender
for you feel and understand
that She dwelleth in this land.
:o I don't think it's far off lol
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I will be starting the OI paper up again soon, now that I am fully back online finally.
Good to hear! Always liked your newspaper.
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Good to hear! Always liked your newspaper.
I have a lot of news to put up, going to back-track as much as I can, hope you enjoy it as much as I enjoy writing it :)
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With a new realm called Dunnera created, any idea what happen to our list of realm rankings? ::)
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With a new realm called Dunnera created, any idea what happen to our list of realm rankings? ::)
Since they are brand new and need time to organize/grow they start at the bottom. Next month isn't far away though, I would expect to see them rise up.
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Since they are brand new and need time to organize/grow they start at the bottom. Next month isn't far away though, I would expect to see them rise up.
I think if they had all their claimed regions up and their infrastructure ready to go, I would put them either slightly above or slightly below Nivemus. As for where Nivemus places next month, well, you will have to see that in our next issue of the White Tree Times! ;D
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Since they are brand new and need time to organize/grow they start at the bottom. Next month isn't far away though, I would expect to see them rise up.
It'll take us a while to get going. The regions we're claiming (ashes of Fontan) are pretty much useless as of now =P
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It'll take us a while to get going. The regions we're claiming (ashes of Fontan) are pretty much useless as of now =P
It doesn't take much to pass OI in the rankings.
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A pulse will do it.
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Is there anything that would help OI out? Could they take and hold part of the mainland?
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They have part of the mainland, the Kazakh Peninsula, yet even that is wasteland. They have three options if they wanted to expand (though I think distance from capital also prevents it from being feasible): Into Nivemus, into Westmoor, or into Perdan.
OI has the misfortune of all of their territories being Wastelands.
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They have part of the mainland, the Kazakh Peninsula, yet even that is wasteland. They have three options if they wanted to expand (though I think distance from capital also prevents it from being feasible): Into Nivemus, into Westmoor, or into Perdan.
OI has the misfortune of all of their territories being Wastelands.
Yeah, it would be extremely tough for them to hold onto Nivemus lands. The Omsk Bay kind of makes that a very difficult task.
Personally, I think OI should give Perdan Bastad Island and put militia down in Chaos Stronghold. Consolidate their territory. Then think about moving more onto the mainland.
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Yeah, it would be extremely tough for them to hold onto Nivemus lands. The Omsk Bay kind of makes that a very difficult task.
Personally, I think OI should give Perdan Bastad Island and put militia down in Chaos Stronghold. Consolidate their territory. Then think about moving more onto the mainland.
Before we took a hold on the mainland we discussed this, both in realm and with Perdan, it is something that both Perdan was not interested in and something we couldn't readily give up as it doesn't change how far new regions are from Kalmar.
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Before we took a hold on the mainland we discussed this, both in realm and with Perdan, it is something that both Perdan was not interested in and something we couldn't readily give up as it doesn't change how far new regions are from Kalmar.
Change your capital. Repair regions. Then proceed as planned.
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Change your capital. Repair regions. Then proceed as planned.
Provided your plans include lightning bolts.
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Provided your plans include lightning bolts.
Forgot about that. Dang. :/
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Provided your plans include lightning bolts.
Change your capital first to allow for more possibilities. Plan later.
Capital moves are allowed.
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It's weird that the Chaos islands are wastelands, though. Volcanic soil is supposed to be very fertile...except when the volcano erupts.
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Volcanic soil is supposed to be very fertile...except when the volcano erupts.
I think it can also be very acidic. This isn't a problem for Hawaii, where it rains every day, but take a look at Iceland.
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I think it can also be very acidic. This isn't a problem for Hawaii, where it rains every day, but take a look at Iceland.
Who is also in a harsh climate.
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I think it can also be very acidic. This isn't a problem for Hawaii, where it rains every day, but take a look at Iceland.
Old volcanoes are mostly acidic. I doubt OI get enough rain. There is no sign of the islands being close to the equator as there aren't any deserts or jungles on the same longitude.
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Old volcanoes are mostly acidic. I doubt OI get enough rain. There is no sign of the islands being close to the equator as there aren't any deserts or jungles on the same longitude.
Badlands of the North? Omsk Peninsula?
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Remember Omsk!
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Remember Omsk!
It's bad luck.
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Old volcanoes are mostly acidic. I doubt OI get enough rain. There is no sign of the islands being close to the equator as there aren't any deserts or jungles on the same longitude.
Some acidic volcanoes are good for farming and plantation. Think Indonesia country, part of South East Asia. After Colonies get its map revamped, maybe we can have one for East Island. Keeping my fingers crossed ::)
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Some acidic volcanoes are good for farming and plantation. Think Indonesia country, part of South East Asia. After Colonies get its map revamped, maybe we can have one for East Island. Keeping my fingers crossed ::)
Without getting into the RL-debate, it would be good for the game if some realms would not be doomed to fail. Make them have at least one or two good regions, so they can start realistically thinking about waging a war against one of their neighbors.
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Without getting into the RL-debate, it would be good for the game if some realms would not be doomed to fail. Make them have at least one or two good regions, so they can start realistically thinking about waging a war against one of their neighbors.
It's not like anyone was forced into the islands and told "This is your realm, now deal with it". It was a planned colony, and they know what was the state of the regions when they got them.
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It's not like anyone was forced into the islands and told "This is your realm, now deal with it". It was a planned colony, and they know what was the state of the regions when they got them.
And?
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Without getting into the RL-debate, it would be good for the game if some realms would not be doomed to fail. Make them have at least one or two good regions, so they can start realistically thinking about waging a war against one of their neighbors.
I hoped that would happen with the region rebalances... But instead, the rich got richer, literally. Nivemus' richest city has less gold than Bescanon(a townsland) and the Mines of Isadril(a mountain region). Our other city is topped by Viseu and Ar Mosul, both townslands, and basically every other city on the continent. And, of course, those three townslands and one mountain region either belong to or are claimed by Caligus and Perdan. And to make matters worse, Nivemus' only townsland is the second poorest townsland on the continent(and poorer than the Mines of Perdan).
Yup. The rich get richer...
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There is a rebalance for ya. The map of EC is unbalanced :p all the big cities and rich townslands are focused in the south where Perdan and Isadril are.
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There is a rebalance for ya. The map of EC is unbalanced :p all the big cities and rich townslands are focused in the south where Perdan and Isadril are.
Not completely true, but the bigger cities and rich townslands do seems to be much more concentrated in the South. The North does have big rich cities though: Fontan, Oligarch, Sirion. But, so far as townslands go, not many, especially in the far North. Trinbar is pretty rich, Pucallpa pretty poor(and horribly located strategically speaking). Negev and Al Amarah are rich.
But, in the South, they have Isadril, Itorunt, Perdan, and in the far South, a city nearly every few regions that is richer than Ashforth, Kazakh, Slimbar, and Karbala. And then they have the multitude of townslands that the North does not have(and the mines of Isadril).
If the normally high gold producing regions are going to be concentrated so much in the South then the gold concentration needs to be cut a little bit so that the North can compete without having 20+ regions.
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I am sure when the dev team adds that new economy feature, badlands will mean something.
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And?
And, if you create a colony in Sallowtown today, you shouldn't come and complain that your realm is too poor to stand a chance of surviving and that you should be given a few more food-producing regions to stand a chance.
All realms start the same, and their location shapes their destiny. It would be unfair to change the lands after the fact, unfair to those who chose to go somewhere else than this place because they saw the land as too poor.
What's fair is to give an equal chance to everyone by giving them equal information and stability of the underlying facts.
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If they do not like their crappy islands they can go somewhere else. The world isn't fair why should the game be when it resembles our world.
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And, if you create a colony in Sallowtown today, you shouldn't come and complain that your realm is too poor to stand a chance of surviving and that you should be given a few more food-producing regions to stand a chance.
All realms start the same, and their location shapes their destiny. It would be unfair to change the lands after the fact, unfair to those who chose to go somewhere else than this place because they saw the land as too poor.
What's fair is to give an equal chance to everyone by giving them equal information and stability of the underlying facts.
While this is true, I am not asking that Perdan, Caligus, and the Southern realms be reduced to peasants begging in the streets. There was a region rebalance, and in the region rebalance, things became MORE unbalanced, therefore, a new region rebalance trying to offset that should be installed.
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While this is true, I am not asking that Perdan, Caligus, and the Southern realms be reduced to peasants begging in the streets. There was a region rebalance, and in the region rebalance, things became MORE unbalanced, therefore, a new region rebalance trying to offset that should be installed.
I'm not entirely certain that is true, but that's a fair argument. My point aimed to counter the idea that OI should be given "one or two good regions".
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I'm not entirely certain that is true, but that's a fair argument. My point aimed to counter the idea that OI should be given "one or two good regions".
Ah, yes. Yes, I feel for OI, but I do not think we should just make a couple new regions to help their realm out. While OI does have a hard lot in life so far, I think OI is closer than ever to becoming a realm very relevant in EC politics. We will see how it works out.
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Ah, yes. Yes, I feel for OI, but I do not think we should just make a couple new regions to help their realm out. While OI does have a hard lot in life so far, I think OI is closer than ever to becoming a realm very relevant in EC politics. We will see how it works out.
Please don't tell me your thinking this just because OI holds the Omsk Peninsula. The city and two regions are nice but not enough, the main problem, believe it or not, is not the regions but the lack of nobles. OI could be a strong realm, not strong like Perdan or Sirion but have enough to compete with some of the other realms if there was more nobles around to put into the army.
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Without getting into the RL-debate, it would be good for the game if some realms would not be doomed to fail. Make them have at least one or two good regions, so they can start realistically thinking about waging a war against one of their neighbors.
Partly such things are on purpose. Having a imbalance of resources generated conflict to control those resources. If you are not strong enough military wise to gain control of them, seek another way. Realms are dynamic, surely we can't expect the map to change every time a realm dies/is created/changes its borders in order to provide someone's concept of a fair playing field?
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Please don't tell me your thinking this just because OI holds the Omsk Peninsula. The city and two regions are nice but not enough, the main problem, believe it or not, is not the regions but the lack of nobles. OI could be a strong realm, not strong like Perdan or Sirion but have enough to compete with some of the other realms if there was more nobles around to put into the army.
Yeah, I know. Don't think I haven't taken a look at the nobles per region ratios...
OI just needs a few active players to give OI a spark that would make some players come there. Players who go to realms for reasons other than power. I am not sure how much RP OI does, but I am sure more could be incorporated.
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Yeah, I know. Don't think I haven't taken a look at the nobles per region ratios...
OI just needs a few active players to give OI a spark that would make some players come there. Players who go to realms for reasons other than power. I am not sure how much RP OI does, but I am sure more could be incorporated.
Yes we need a lot more RP, I have tried to spark some but it seems to end in failure mostly.
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RP alone won't keep a realm going. You need something for people to actually *do*.
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And, if you create a colony in Sallowtown today, you shouldn't come and complain that your realm is too poor to stand a chance of surviving and that you should be given a few more food-producing regions to stand a chance.
All realms start the same, and their location shapes their destiny. It would be unfair to change the lands after the fact, unfair to those who chose to go somewhere else than this place because they saw the land as too poor.
What's fair is to give an equal chance to everyone by giving them equal information and stability of the underlying facts.
Partly such things are on purpose. Having a imbalance of resources generated conflict to control those resources. If you are not strong enough military wise to gain control of them, seek another way. Realms are dynamic, surely we can't expect the map to change every time a realm dies/is created/changes its borders in order to provide someone's concept of a fair playing field?
I don't play in OI nor near it. I am not asking for someone to improve my regions. I see them and their lack of potential and it is clear that I will hardly play in there. Of course they lack nobles, who'd want to join them? I invited a guy to BM and his first character started in OI. He didn't quit the game for I told him to make another one in a different realm, but his first character was retired after not too long. The realm's fault? Perhaps. Now I'd like to see an efficient and respectable realm in the OI area and in several other places in the game, like the Balance's Retreat (though this may be intentional to be a rogue-spawning reserve), Fissoa (here is mostly a geography problem), and so on.
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I don't play in OI nor near it. I am not asking for someone to improve my regions. I see them and their lack of potential and it is clear that I will hardly play in there. Of course they lack nobles, who'd want to join them? I invited a guy to BM and his first character started in OI. He didn't quit the game for I told him to make another one in a different realm, but his first character was retired after not too long. The realm's fault? Perhaps. Now I'd like to see an efficient and respectable realm in the OI area and in several other places in the game, like the Balance's Retreat (though this may be intentional to be a rogue-spawning reserve), Fissoa (here is mostly a geography problem), and so on.
The problem here is the idea of WHERE realms should be. Why should the islands of OI constitute a realm? They could just as easily be part of a coastal mainland realm. Balance Retreat is a terrible place to base a realm out of in terms of resources. But it has slightly more use as extra land and resources for a realm based in a nearby city.
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Yes, OI needs to do something to attract nobles. The problem lies in the fact that their share of regions prevents them from doing mostly anything.