As question says above.
Can we really get away with Funding Rebellion in our Family Home region? What is Finding Rebellion good for and how it functions? For your information, I have an unlucky start in my career earlier, having my Family Home in enemy region. Is it a blessing in disguise?
Thank you :)
I think that was the whole point of the feature... ?
I believe that it is very expensive, and the effect is not overly large. I only remember one case of it being used, and by itself it did not make the city revolt.
It raises independence and drops the other stats, by a significant amount, but not, as Indirik says, enough to make the region revolt all by itself.
Chénier once did this to Athol Margos (Riombara, BT) three times within a week or two, and...I'm not sure if it barely revolted, or barely didn't. He might recall.
The first time I did that, I got banned. :-[
Quote from: Anaris on November 16, 2011, 02:41:55 PM
It raises independence and drops the other stats, by a significant amount, but not, as Indirik says, enough to make the region revolt all by itself.
Chénier once did this to Athol Margos (Riombara, BT) three times within a week or two, and...I'm not sure if it barely revolted, or barely didn't. He might recall.
Can you do it without getting caught? Sure. But it ain't worth it, effects only become interesting if you invest a lot.
But as Anaris hinted, don't expect to make a 100/100/100/core region revolt just by spending a few hundred gold. I've used this tool on Athol Margos probably a dozen times so far, and it only had interesting effects at one occasion where it was already in bad shape. On the other hand, it does increase sympathy to your realm considerably, which is quite interesting if you want to FTO or CTO it.
Do it if the region has a large army or horde in it, or if it's starving (and only after the starvation effects started, not before), but otherwise don't bother. Also, do it by having in mind that you'll get caught, so if you have two characters on an island, always do it with the same, preferably the one with the least odds of getting captured.
Quote from: Chénier on November 16, 2011, 07:26:39 PM...if you have two characters on an island, always do it with the same, preferably the one with the least odds of getting captured.
Don't you mean: Do it with the character that would have an IC reason to do it? ;)
Quote from: Indirik on November 16, 2011, 07:41:47 PM
Don't you mean: Do it with the character that would have an IC reason to do it? ;)
"Messing with my brother" is a perfectly good IC reason to do anything.
Family meant the world back then, so odds are all family members would have just as much to gain by hurting any said foe. In normal circumstances, that is.
chenier does it to athol margos all the time XD
it should now have more of an effect in a way, because you don't get as significant a stat recovery from massive estates.
Quote from: Chénier on November 16, 2011, 08:03:46 PM
"Messing with my brother" is a perfectly good IC reason to do anything.
Family meant the world back then, so odds are all family members would have just as much to gain by hurting any said foe. In normal circumstances, that is.
This is why I like Dwilight. No hive-mind nobles.
1 char, 2 char per continent makes no difference for this.
because you can stick another character on the same continent when 1's killed, etc.
Quote from: fodder on November 16, 2011, 09:10:38 PM
1 char, 2 char per continent makes no difference for this.
because you can stick another character on the same continent when 1's killed, etc.
Still better than facing two enemies with a single mind.
Meh, I still think Dwilight is the worst continent for that. You can actually have multiple chars there without them ever having anything to do with eachother.
Quote from: JPierreD on November 16, 2011, 09:06:23 PM
This is why I like Dwilight. No hive-mind nobles.
If you can't play separate characters working together without them being clones, sorry to say, but you just suck at RP. That doesn't mean normal players can't play characters of compatible agendas as individuals.
The individual being greater than the family or the collectivity is a modern thing. People who try to have different personalities for their chars but who overcompensate by making them drama queen complete opposites are worse than people who fail to play them apart.
Quote from: Adriddae on November 16, 2011, 05:01:21 PM
The first time I did that, I got banned. :-[
Whoa, so does it depend on certain factors such as timing, random luck roll whether you get caught or not? :o
Quote from: Indirik on November 16, 2011, 12:37:25 PM
I believe that it is very expensive, and the effect is not overly large. I only remember one case of it being used, and by itself it did not make the city revolt.
Region revolt, that's what plan I have in mind. Better than having the region in enemy hand.
Upgrading and improving my characters from honorable to occasional funny characters ;D
Quote from: Chénier on November 16, 2011, 08:03:46 PM
"Messing with my brother" is a perfectly good IC reason to do anything.
Family meant the world back then, so odds are all family members would have just as much to gain by hurting any said foe. In normal circumstances, that is.
Lol, Messing with my brother and trying to flirt with my sister :P
Quote from: Chénier on November 16, 2011, 07:26:39 PM
Can you do it without getting caught? Sure. But it ain't worth it, effects only become interesting if you invest a lot.
But as Anaris hinted, don't expect to make a 100/100/100/core region revolt just by spending a few hundred gold. I've used this tool on Athol Margos probably a dozen times so far, and it only had interesting effects at one occasion where it was already in bad shape. On the other hand, it does increase sympathy to your realm considerably, which is quite interesting if you want to FTO or CTO it.
Do it if the region has a large army or horde in it, or if it's starving (and only after the starvation effects started, not before), but otherwise don't bother. Also, do it by having in mind that you'll get caught, so if you have two characters on an island, always do it with the same, preferably the one with the least odds of getting captured.
Hmm, thank you for your detailed reply and explanation. It sure helpful to make the enemy region revolt when their army busy TO it after it gone rogue. Make their TO time longer.
My curious mind presents me with more questions.
1) So if the region is rogue, do we got caught by rogue if luck not on our side?
2) How luck factor out or is there any factors in how game determine we got caught doing this?
I liked the idea of "How dare you flirt with my sister?" :P
Quote from: Ketchum on November 21, 2011, 04:35:31 AM
Lol, Messing with my brother and trying to flirt with my sister :P
Absolutely! ;D
To be clear, "getting caught" means you get an automatic ban from the realm that owns the region, but you are not imprisoned.
Also, it would be deeply pointless to try this on a rogue region.
Quote from: Anaris on November 21, 2011, 03:59:50 PM
To be clear, "getting caught" means you get an automatic ban from the realm that owns the region, but you are not imprisoned.
Also, it would be deeply pointless to try this on a rogue region.
If you lack ambassadors and the rogue city in question doesn't have enough sympathy to your realm for you to do the CTO you want, it would be useful to fund the rebels there, assuming it's even possible when the region is rogue.
Unless I remember really poorly, the action increase sympathy quite a bit.
Mind you, should be much cheaper and easier to find a diplomat though.