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BattleMaster => Locals => Dwilight => Topic started by: Velax on April 25, 2012, 08:37:00 AM
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Soooooo, what's happening in this war? Details, please!
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I just created char at LN, so Fissoa will be slain soon.
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Fissoa thought it would be honorable to sneak in the back door but limit their activities to just razing infrastructure while LN was busy with PeL, then panicked when LN responded by doing more than just raze Fissoa's own infrastructure. I'm not sure what they were thinking, honestly. The isn't MeasuredResponseMaster. On top of that, Fissoa isn't Lurian. Nobody betrays and/or goes meddling in the affairs of a Lurian realm but other Lurians! This is known.
PeL is being rehabbed and welcomed back into the fold as part of a Lurian federation, and then we're going to offer Fissoa the same chance. Not likely that they'll take it, which is just as well from LN's perspective. They're pissed. ;D
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The isn't MeasuredResponseMaster. On top of that, Fissoa isn't Lurian. Nobody betrays and/or goes meddling in the affairs of a Lurian realm but other Lurians! This is known.
That's pretty much it. We were busy with PeL and then Fissoa started causing trouble... we beat them twice on our way to refit and then we decided to bring the fight to them.
KRB all the way, baby.
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So Solaria have now declared war on Fissoa. Its now Luria Nova, Luria Vesperi, Solaria vs Grand Duchy of Fissoa.
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Well. It's
Luria vs Fissoa Fissoa vs Luria actually. Fissoa knew what it was getting itself into. It's not like Luria Nova has really had help so far though. One time 2,000 CS from LV and that wasn't even necessary tbh.
It's just not very smart to go and irritate the big neighbouring realms, not even while they're fighting yet another civil war.
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And which name is that being whispered through the Halls of Luria once more...
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And which name is that being whispered through the Halls of Luria once more...
Yeah... We're all very glad that darn Luis finally left!
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Don't cheer too soon xD
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Nobody betrays and/or goes meddling in the affairs of a Lurian realm but other Lurians! This is known.
This is known :D
Well. It's Luria vs Fissoa Fissoa vs Luria actually. Fissoa knew what it was getting itself into. It's not like Luria Nova has really had help so far though. One time 2,000 CS from LV and that wasn't even necessary tbh.
It's just not very smart to go and irritate the big neighbouring realms, not even while they're fighting yet another civil war.
I like to think we in LV gave moral support - think of us as the cheerleaders of Luria ;D. Nevermind that in our first battle our General was wounded and we immediately wandered back to our little idyl to read books and pray.
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I like to think we in LV gave moral support - think of us as the cheerleaders of Luria ;D. Nevermind that in our first battle our General was wounded and we immediately wandered back to our little idyl to read books and pray.
9 regions, 9 nobles. What kind of realm is that? lol.
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A soon to be rich one if they play their cards right...
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9 regions, 9 nobles. What kind of realm is that? lol.
A realm of Lords and only Lords! We're the Lordliest land of them all!
... It is also very quiet.
A soon to be rich one if they play their cards right...
Playing one's cards sounds so duplicitous and crafty. We in LV are just a peaceful folk who want the best for the peninsula. Our own personal wealth and glory is secondary to helping others ;D
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So Solaria have now declared war on Fissoa. Its now Luria Nova, Luria Vesperi, Solaria vs Grand Duchy of Fissoa.
Considering the militant stance that the Veinsormoot has started to take toward Luria, and that Skyndarbau was casting about for help in Aurvandil, it seemed appropriate to make a statement.
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Look at that Veinsormoot... From hippies to warmongers in just a few weeks. :)
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Considering the militant stance that the Veinsormoot has started to take toward Luria
Errr.... wut?
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Before this thread gets polarised by the Lurians, I'll provide some input as well :)
The Grand Duchy has been semi-peaceful for a long time - like forever. The noble count was going down for quite a while, and through continuous effort we've managed to bring it up again. Once we were down to 10-ish. Now we have 22 - as many as Luria Nova.
I've read those comments on rulers who only want to keep their positions safe with understanding, and I figured it was my task to create something for people to enjoy. There were two options: firstly the war on Aurvandil (siding with Madina) or secondly intervening in the war in the Lurias.
For a number of reasons - prime among which was a referendum - we decided to face Luria. Not the most sound strategic thinking, but hey - no realm on BM lasts forever, does it? I can't really be bothered with the purely strategic side of the game.
Also, Skyndarbau is pretty fixed on sticking to his ideals. They might shift or mutate, but as long as they work in his head, he's not going to let them go. He could understand the reasons for war against Pian en Luries. But they cannot justify the destruction of the realm. Especially because Luria Nova simply joined the gang-bang pummelling the Pianese into oblivion. (In a way it's funny how Allanna is participating in this?)
In his eyes, Fulco is the sneaky puppetmaster who's managed to stay in control within Luria forever. The Arbiter is someone who wants to make a name for himself - badly, and the others are mostly irrelevant. That would include King Tybalt :)
Lastly, I wish to point out that Fissoa attempts to uphold some sense of chivalry, something we saw from Pian en Luries in the past. Peculiar how the Novans and Solarians are the marauding barbarians these days :P
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I just created char at LN, so Fissoa will be slain soon.
So you see an uneven war in progress, and decide to join the winning side? Real classy. Especially now Thalmarkin still needs Seko's stinkin' socks... ::)
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There were two options: firstly the war on Aurvandil (siding with Madina) or secondly intervening in the war in the Lurias.
You had the third option, I think: attack Madina. Might not be the most honorable one, but it would be the most rewarding one that is for sure. You would expand into Madina island, got yourself another rich city and would probably face Aurvandil sooner or later. And you would probably get support of the Lurians once that happens. All of this would attract nobles as war+gold is the main thing people look for.
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Lastly, I wish to point out that Fissoa attempts to uphold some sense of chivalry, something we saw from Pian en Luries in the past. Peculiar how the Novans and Solarians are the marauding barbarians these days :P
Having Skyndarbau's perspective is nice, but it kinda leaves out the impetus for this entire war. Namely, the insane scheming coming out of PeL, which Skyndarbau was privy to. He chose his side early on, and his actions since don't really paint a flattering picture for someone claiming the moral high ground. ;)
All in all, just another day in SE Dwilight...
Errr.... wut?
Sounds like someone in the 'moot has been going rogue.
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You had the third option, I think: attack Madina. Might not be the most honorable one, but it would be the most rewarding one that is for sure. You would expand into Madina island, got yourself another rich city and would probably face Aurvandil sooner or later. And you would probably get support of the Lurians once that happens. All of this would attract nobles as war+gold is the main thing people look for.
Yeah, I know that was an option. But we Aurvandil had already taken Tower Fatmilak by then, and we didn't stand a chance. And I'd rather not stand a chance for a reason - moral superiority over the Lurians :P
I know Skyndarbau isn't all too popular in Luria right now. But I do think most Lurians have a wrong image.
Oh yeah: the reason we declared war after we rallied on the Novan border was because IR things came up for me. I couldn't make it, which kind of sucked. The idea was to properly announce it... (another reason was of course that the referendum was still in progress, but we decided to anticipate and rally already. As soon as the referendum showed support for the 'Lurian Invervention with 12/14 votes, we crossed the border. The rest was my failure)
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I know Skyndarbau isn't all too popular in Luria right now. But I do think most Lurians have a wrong image.
Yeah... Kamron is just misunderstood too. ;)
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In his eyes, Fulco is the sneaky puppetmaster who's managed to stay in control within Luria forever.
Haha :D
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Having Skyndarbau's perspective is nice, but it kinda leaves out the impetus for this entire war. Namely, the insane scheming coming out of PeL, which Skyndarbau was privy to. He chose his side early on, and his actions since don't really paint a flattering picture for someone claiming the moral high ground. ;)
Oh come on, you act like there was no scheming coming out of the other realms of Luria. We don't have to transfer all of our IC bias's to the forum. Fissoa had a legitimate reason to join in on the war, even if IC, they've been portrayed not to have any reason at all.
Perhaps it wasn't the best reason, but the one the gave is a legitimate one. All IC propaganda aside Fissoa made a choice which placed them on the losing side of a war. It wasn't to gain land or anything, but to prevent the unreasonable destruction of a realm being gang-banged. If IC that gets warped, well that's fine, but its not like Fissoa joining on Pian's side was some great move to gain power for themselves.
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Haha :D
It's totally true. ;P
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Sounds like someone in the 'moot has been going rogue.
Sounds like someone is getting stuff out of context.
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Sounds like someone is getting stuff out of context.
It sucks to think we've been infiltrated at the highest level, but a lil intrigue is fun. And besides, it'll either divide us or make us stronger--either way, it was going to happen eventually.
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It sucks to think we've been infiltrated at the highest level, but a lil intrigue is fun. And besides, it'll either divide us or make us stronger--either way, it was going to happen eventually.
Naw, me leaving made sure you were safe from that. ;)
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Naw, me leaving made sure you were safe from that. ;)
No one is ever safe from infiltration.
I tend to forget that when thinking aloud, though.
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When Fissoa decided to intervene in this southern war, Aurvandil was pounding Madina pretty hard and LN and its allies were kicking PeL's arse from every direction. The referendum favoured intervention in the Lurian war, and thats how it is currently.
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It's totally true. ;P
I have hardly been active lately! Gotta admit that Tybalt and Kamron are doing pretty nicely so no need to do anything :P
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Oh come on, you act like there was no scheming coming out of the other realms of Luria. We don't have to transfer all of our IC bias's to the forum. Fissoa had a legitimate reason to join in on the war, even if IC, they've been portrayed not to have any reason at all.
Perhaps it wasn't the best reason, but the one the gave is a legitimate one. All IC propaganda aside Fissoa made a choice which placed them on the losing side of a war. It wasn't to gain land or anything, but to prevent the unreasonable destruction of a realm being gang-banged. If IC that gets warped, well that's fine, but its not like Fissoa joining on Pian's side was some great move to gain power for themselves.
Don't want to polarise this OOC discussion the same way as what happends IG, but basically I support Dante here.
I didn't know Solaria and Luria Nova were so one-minded, and judging on what happened at the time, it should've been possible to attack LN without having the other Lurias on our backs. I was up for some goliath-fighting, but didn't think Dwilight would resort to gang-banging. Basically I also thought joining PeL would make clear on an OOC level that I perceived it as gang-banging. Didn't that come across?
Anyways, there's more news. PeL is capitulating, and according to my info, will be held in equality to the other Lurian realms (something I somehow feel is no option for Fissoa). Malus bypassed Skyndarbau in making peace, all but asking for his resignation [I'm flattered :)] though he forwarded me to Tybalt for anything substantial. Not sure if Skyndarbau wants to confront Tybalt the Greedy, though.
Lastly, I really have to know. Did Luria Nova have any reason for attacking PeL other than helping Solaria? I'm aware of the 'King Koli used tMP'-propaganda, thanks. King Koli was already confined to his bed by then, so that can't really be the reason?
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Lastly, I really have to know. Did Luria Nova have any reason for attacking PeL other than helping Solaria? I'm aware of the 'King Koli used tMP'-propaganda, thanks. King Koli was already confined to his bed by then, so that can't really be the reason?
Sure it can. That kind of manipulation can have long-reaching effects, and just because it's not being practiced actively by the original instigator doesn't mean it's not having any effect.
Furthermore, just because he's down and out doesn't mean that the casus belli from what he did isn't there ;D
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Anyways, there's more news. PeL is capitulating, and according to my info, will be held in equality to the other Lurian realms (something I somehow feel is no option for Fissoa). Malus bypassed Skyndarbau in making peace, all but asking for his resignation [I'm flattered :)] though he forwarded me to Tybalt for anything substantial. Not sure if Skyndarbau wants to confront Tybalt the Greedy, though.
Lastly, I really have to know. Did Luria Nova have any reason for attacking PeL other than helping Solaria? I'm aware of the 'King Koli used tMP'-propaganda, thanks. King Koli was already confined to his bed by then, so that can't really be the reason?
You are flattered that nobody in Luria trusts you anymore? :P And tmp/koli was the main reason for LN to enter the war. After that, dunno, havent been really paying attention.
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I didn't know Solaria and Luria Nova were so one-minded, and judging on what happened at the time, it should've been possible to attack LN without having the other Lurias on our backs. I was up for some goliath-fighting, but didn't think Dwilight would resort to gang-banging. Basically I also thought joining PeL would make clear on an OOC level that I perceived it as gang-banging. Didn't that come across?
There's a couple of things here:
Firstly, when one realm picks a fight with its three neighbors it is called "got what was coming", not a "gangbang." Please stop using such a loaded term so lightly.
Secondly, if you don't understand why that war played out the way it did you have no one to blame but your own ignorance. Fight as they will amongst themselves, the Lurians have always defended the subcontinent together.
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Fight as they will amongst themselves, the Lurians have always defended the subcontinent together.
I once described Luria to someone that plays way up north in Dwilight as the Middle East/Arab nations of BM, in that the realms are perfectly happy to destroy each other through internecine conflict until an Occupier shows up. It's so dysfunctional, and doesn't surprise me at all that outsiders wouldn't fully understand what they were getting into. Fissoa has always kinda been on the brink of being sucked into the chaos.
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I once described Luria to someone that plays way up north in Dwilight as the Middle East/Arab nations of BM, in that the realms are perfectly happy to destroy each other through internecine conflict until an Occupier shows up. It's so dysfunctional, and doesn't surprise me at all that outsiders wouldn't fully understand what they were getting into. Fissoa has always kinda been on the brink of being sucked into the chaos.
Well, not just that. Fissoa gets sucked into the chaos when they try to interact with Luria. This happened years ago when they fought us, then had their Grand Duke swear fealty to us without his people's support, causing a power struggle within the realm then.
And it's happening again now, with their current leader wanting to fight Luria, but the rest of the realm recognizing what a dumb idea that is and wanting to depose him ;D
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Well, not just that. Fissoa gets sucked into the chaos when they try to interact with Luria. This happened years ago when they fought us, then had their Grand Duke swear fealty to us without his people's support, causing a power struggle within the realm then.
And it's happening again now, with their current leader wanting to fight Luria, but the rest of the realm recognizing what a dumb idea that is and wanting to depose him ;D
Then why did a referendum show 12/14ish votes in favour of a war on Luria Nova?
Things didn't turn out well though, so Skyndarbau will probably lose power. He's not without support, but I'd have him abdicate without remorse. There's just a few people I don't want on the throne, and a few people I'd like to be elected.
Exams are coming up, I could use one less distraction.
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Then why did a referendum show 12/14ish votes in favour of a war on Luria Nova?
Oh, I don't mean it didn't have support at the start. Just that now that it turns out to be a slaughter, the rest of Fissoa realizes it may have been a bad idea.
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The whole tMP thing was kind of the last drop... there's a bunch of us Lurians that are tired of the constant infighting. I'm all for it but it needs to have a limit and with PeL, and the characters that were in PeL, I didn't see us working very well together any time soon. They all hated Solaria, then they all hated Luria Nova and all along, they all hated eachother. Just look at how the realm collapsed when Koli disappeared. They pretty much did all the work for us. Sometimes by simply killing eachother, other times by giving contradicting orders that meant the slaughtering of their army against our forces at a time that they actually had a chance to win. At least I assume it were contradicting orders, people were moving in, moving out again and then moving in again anyway... it was all pretty funny to watch.
PeL under Koli wanted to be THE Lurian powerhouse, now we are rather looking for a federation of equals under the guise of an empire.
But yeah... attacking one Lurian realm and thinking they'll be acting alone isn't really how it works. :)
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Oh, I don't mean it didn't have support at the start. Just that now that it turns out to be a slaughter, the rest of Fissoa realizes it may have been a bad idea.
Ah, yes. Things did turn out worse than I thought, but all in all, Fissoa has withstood worse (including Alanna :))
And PeL collapsed way faster than I had anticipated. Seemed like half commited suicide/had their head chopped off/emigrated/panicked.
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And PeL collapsed way faster than I had anticipated. Seemed like half commited suicide/had their head chopped off/emigrated/panicked.
I am PRAYING for a good wiki article which recounts all of that. Solaria was very surprised by events. From what I've learned, it sounds like it could be one of the better stories that BM has generated.
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I am PRAYING for a good wiki article which recounts all of that. Solaria was very surprised by events. From what I've learned, it sounds like it could be one of the better stories that BM has generated.
Yeah. I wanted to find out IC, but ... half of the witnesses was dead or missing. That blood debt thin was a cruelly effective find.
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I am PRAYING for a good wiki article which recounts all of that. Solaria was very surprised by events. From what I've learned, it sounds like it could be one of the better stories that BM has generated.
It was the perfect mixture of hilarious and totally stupid.
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I am PRAYING for a good wiki article which recounts all of that. Solaria was very surprised by events. From what I've learned, it sounds like it could be one of the better stories that BM has generated.
I'm considering having Brom write an IC memoir at some point. Granted it'll be biased since its an autobiography. But hey.
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I am PRAYING for a good wiki article which recounts all of that. Solaria was very surprised by events. From what I've learned, it sounds like it could be one of the better stories that BM has generated.
Likewise. Its a very curious series of events that could use some hashing out. I think its even more interesting when you put the decline of PeL and the rise of Solaria side by side. There were a lot of people taken aback at how quickly Solaria rose to the zenith of their power while Pian dipped towards the nadir of their spiral.
The right combination of mistakes, chance happenings, and taking advantage of certain situations is a powerful thing.
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I'm considering having Brom write an IC memoir at some point. Granted it'll be biased since its an autobiography. But hey.
Every nibble taken with grain of salt, of course. Or perhaps every byte.
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I'm considering having Brom write an IC memoir at some point. Granted it'll be biased since its an autobiography. But hey.
Imagine Brom as a mentor, making all the new players rebellious minons of his.
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Imagine Brom as a mentor, making all the new players rebellious minons of his.
A Genius Idea!
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A Genius Idea!
Though I said it as a joke, it actually would be great for him to be a mentor as he has much experiance and lots of stories to keep interest. One thing I would be interested in for the mentor/student thing is for an option to become student in a different context. What I mean is when I joined D'hara I heard about the Dragon Queen and was quite interested so if their was a different student option where you learn more about the particular realm's history instead of how to play the game.
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Imagine Brom as a mentor, making all the new players rebellious minons of his.
Who is to say I am not already doing this except in a different sense?
Brom mentors a lot of characters. It is one of the way he gains followers. (Example: Katerina)
Although in general, my other main character is the one that operates more by mentoring character than Brom does. He is also much more honorable.
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Sure it can. That kind of manipulation can have long-reaching effects, and just because it's not being practiced actively by the original instigator doesn't mean it's not having any effect.
Furthermore, just because he's down and out doesn't mean that the casus belli from what he did isn't there ;D
Indeed! I've used far lesser excuses-cough-um, justifications, yeah, for wars before.
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PeL under Koli wanted to be THE Lurian powerhouse, now we are rather looking for a federation of equals under the guise of an empire.
That's not even close to being true. Koli was very specifically and intentionally trying to weaken Pian en Luries. And every other Lurian realm. That was the substance of the charge of abusing the Manifest Path, after all. The only part he found confusing was that people kept saying this was some secret plot. He thought it was obvious.
I think Koli really was the stupidest character I've ever played in Battlemaster...
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That's not even close to being true. Koli was very specifically and intentionally trying to weaken Pian en Luries. And every other Lurian realm. That was the substance of the charge of abusing the Manifest Path, after all. The only part he found confusing was that people kept saying this was some secret plot. He thought it was obvious.
I think Koli really was the stupidest character I've ever played in Battlemaster...
And Y'all kicked me out for killing him? CMON!!!!
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That's not even close to being true. Koli was very specifically and intentionally trying to weaken Pian en Luries. And every other Lurian realm. That was the substance of the charge of abusing the Manifest Path, after all. The only part he found confusing was that people kept saying this was some secret plot. He thought it was obvious.
I think Koli really was the stupidest character I've ever played in Battlemaster...
Heh. That didn't really cross my mind... You see the king of a realm trying to weaken your realm using a religion he controls, you assume that he's after you and not just after everyone. :P
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And Y'all kicked me out for killing him? CMON!!!!
We kicked you out for a lot of things :P
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That's not even close to being true. Koli was very specifically and intentionally trying to weaken Pian en Luries. And every other Lurian realm. That was the substance of the charge of abusing the Manifest Path, after all.
Very well, but Koli did want the Manifest Path to be the powerhouse then. PeL, tMP, it didn't matter who was the master, for Solaria and Luria Nova it was bad news.
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Very well, but Koli did want the Manifest Path to be the powerhouse then. PeL, tMP, it didn't matter who was the master, for Solaria and Luria Nova it was bad news.
You know... If Koli was the Architect, Malus was the Engineer. Someone had to implement the structure. Malus (and me, tbqh) just didn't realize how quickly the whole apparatus would be turned on him. :-\
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You know... If Koli was the Architect, Malus was the Engineer. Someone had to implement the structure. Malus (and me, tbqh) just didn't realize how quickly the whole apparatus would be turned on him. :-\
Koli didn't want to turn it against Malus. Up until that last, what was it, two weeks before he got attacked? he thought of Malus as his strongest ally in the effort to stop the Lurian infighting. He spent the whole rest of the time going "why is Malus doing this??!?!", and then got poisoned, stabbed, sabotaged medical care, and crazy people trying to "look after him".
The whole thing was actually aimed at Fulco/other Luria Novans, mostly. And if I'd had the time to actually not have Koli suck as a Ruler and Prophet, I think it would have worked.
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Koli didn't want to turn it against Malus. Up until that last, what was it, two weeks before he got attacked? he thought of Malus as his strongest ally in the effort to stop the Lurian infighting. He spent the whole rest of the time going "why is Malus doing this??!?!", and then got poisoned, stabbed, sabotaged medical care, and crazy people trying to "look after him".
The whole thing was actually aimed at Fulco/other Luria Novans, mostly. And if I'd had the time to actually not have Koli suck as a Ruler and Prophet, I think it would have worked.
::) but I thought Koli just wanted to kill off D'hara out of revenge for what they did to his father. Did removing Fulco really have to come before that?
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Koli didn't want to turn it against Malus. Up until that last, what was it, two weeks before he got attacked? he thought of Malus as his strongest ally in the effort to stop the Lurian infighting. He spent the whole rest of the time going "why is Malus doing this??!?!", and then got poisoned, stabbed, sabotaged medical care, and crazy people trying to "look after him".
And Malus was, right up until that debacle over Lupa Lapu. I could not come up with an explanation for why Koli or PeL behaved the way it did throughout that ordeal which did not come back to betrayal.
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::) but I thought Koli just wanted to kill off D'hara out of revenge for what they did to his father. Did removing Fulco really have to come before that?
Koli's religion got in the way of his revenge story. Annoying, how that happens with characters...
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And Malus was, right up until that debacle over Lupa Lapu. I could not come up with an explanation for why Koli or PeL behaved the way it did throughout that ordeal which did not come back to betrayal.
This gets back to Koli being stupid. He was really, really bad at understanding how people might see something differently than he would, and from his perspective, we were still in the phase of figuring out who and what was in which realm (a bigger chunk of PeL than I think anyone but Malus realized went to Solaria), and didn't see what the problem was.
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Breaking news: King Tybalt and Grand Duke Skyndarbau have entered negotiations regarding peace.
Demands are:
1 Abdication of Skyndarbau Melphrydd
2 The alignment of Fissoa to Luria
3 Trade
Not too shabby :)
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Be glad Tybalt is that nice ;p He forgets an important party but well....
Also, after amaury was gone, the role of Fulco has been rather conservative, only defend what he had and not expand and back up tybalt........
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Is that why he was pushing so hard to TO Askileon? ;)
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He was asked for his opinion, gave it, and when kamron wanted to go for fissoa because solaria was slacking he didn't try to change that.
How is that pushing hard? :P
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He was asked for his opinion, gave it, and when kamron wanted to go for fissoa because solaria was slacking he didn't try to change that.
How is that pushing hard? :P
Slacking? SLACKING?! That sounds like a challenge... ;)
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Slacking? SLACKING?! That sounds like a challenge... ;)
First one to Fissoa wins! ;)
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I bet Solaria was busy to attach militia everywhere and thus slacking :P
-Jaune
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Skyndarbau has stepped down, causing a cease-fire to go into effect immediately. Upon his/her ascension, the Treaty of Irvington will be signed by all involved parties.
Before resigning, I also thought of sending peace offers around, so I assume the others will be able to accept even though I'm no longer in position :)
Skyndarbau will likely be travelling around Dwilight in the coming months, there's much he'd like to see now the crown is no issue :)
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And you all happy to kick Skyndarbau out of his realm???!?
That was from Alvin though. B-)
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And you all happy to kick Skyndarbau out of his realm???!?
That was from Alvin though. B-)
I don't know if anyone is really happy about it. Maybe Tybalt. Most of us are just happy that we have peace on the subcontinent. A lot of us want Fissoa to join the federation as equal partners. Skyndarbau seems pretty intent to shoot that one down, though. It's just going to lead to problems later, I think.
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I don't know if anyone is really happy about it. Maybe Tybalt. Most of us are just happy that we have peace on the subcontinent. A lot of us want Fissoa to join the federation as equal partners. Skyndarbau seems pretty intent to shoot that one down, though. It's just going to lead to problems later, I think.
Fissoa didn't fight Alanna forever to bow it's head to a Federation a few years later. Also, too tight bonds with the Lurias will spur war with Aurvandil. Hanging in the middle, the GDoF has a chance of staying neutral
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Fissoa didn't fight Alanna forever to bow it's head to a Federation a few years later. Also, too tight bonds with the Lurias will spur war with Aurvandil. Hanging in the middle, the GDoF has a chance of staying neutral
Not bowing but joining. But oh well, we'll see how this plays out IG. :)
I'm a little bit sad to see this war end though, it was quite fun.
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Not bowing but joining. But oh well, we'll see how this plays out IG. :)
I'm a little bit sad to see this war end though, it was quite fun.
Well if Solaria hadn't been ready to jump in, it might have lasted longer :)
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Well if Solaria hadn't been ready to jump in, it might have lasted longer :)
Heh. They were going to a lot sooner, but they were totally slacking. ;)
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Heh. They were going to a lot sooner, but they were totally slacking. ;)
Yes, I was wondering what kept them. Lucky us :)
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Yes, I was wondering what kept them. Lucky us :)
I thought things were going pretty well for LN even without Solaria though. :)
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Not bowing but joining.
This. I think Lurian players have been conditioned to distrust any "honest" overture, so that when one *is* made, they don't know how to react. Since the start of this last civil war, LN and Solaria have set out to do exactly what they said, and nothing more. Kudos to Tybalt for sticking to it. Never would'v worked with just one brutally honest ruler.I figure if we keep at it, people will learn to believe us when we say something, for good and ill. ;D
Edit: I keep referring to Skyndarbau and Fissoans as Lurian players because despite protestations to the contrary, their frame of reference is largely dominated by what happens in Luria. ;)
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LV is boring, LN is evil, Solaria is restrictive, and Fissoa is lazy.
P.S. PeL is dead.
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LV is boring, LN is evil, Solaria is restrictive, and Fissoa is lazy.
P.S. PeL is dead.
Mixed review. What of Aurvandil? Shadow Clans? Finally what of Zuma?
Edit: lol on PeL's review.
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LV is boring, LN is evil, Solaria is restrictive, and Fissoa is lazy.
P.S. PeL is dead.
LV is unfortunately boring - though I'm having a fun time with behind the scenes politics and private RPs. The reality is that we are, like Solari once said, a quiet little idyll. Hopefully that will change and we can get some new blood in the realm, because LV is not exactly jumping at the moment.
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LV is unfortunately boring - though I'm having a fun time with behind the scenes politics and private RPs. The reality is that we are, like Solari once said, a quiet little idyll. Hopefully that will change and we can get some new blood in the realm, because LV is not exactly jumping at the moment.
The new player's <on't come by themselves. Took Fissoa over an ir year to get to the 22 nobles of today :) Maybe we can get some interaction going between LV and Fissoa? Realm lay-out seems pretty similar. Sucks to be limited by a small city
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LV is boring, LN is evil, Solaria is restrictive, and Fissoa is lazy.
P.S. PeL is dead.
Restrictive? Do elaborate!
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I'm quite happy with LN's stigma. :)
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The new player's <on't come by themselves. Took Fissoa over an ir year to get to the 22 nobles of today :) Maybe we can get some interaction going between LV and Fissoa? Realm lay-out seems pretty similar. Sucks to be limited by a small city
At this current rate I'd say it would take us, oh, three times as long? We've had, in about three months, three newcomers, one of whom has stayed. Slightly disheartening, but having a multitude of players doesn't always matters, sometimes you just need one or two to make things interesting :) But yes, the small city doesn't help, nor does being boxed in by friends, allies, and a giant desert.
Some LV and Fissoan interaction would be interesting. The buffer of the Palm Sea creates and interesting dynamic and I remember that Hendrick and Skyndarbau were on the same side during the furor in the Halls.
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At this current rate I'd say it would take us, oh, three times as long? We've had, in about three months, three newcomers, one of whom has stayed. Slightly disheartening, but having a multitude of players doesn't always matters, sometimes you just need one or two to make things interesting :) But yes, the small city doesn't help, nor does being boxed in by friends, allies, and a giant desert.
Some LV and Fissoan interaction would be interesting. The buffer of the Palm Sea creates and interesting dynamic and I remember that Hendrick and Skyndarbau were on the same side during the furor in the Halls.
Tbh the name Hendrick hardly rings a bell. It would be nice to have a war between LV and Fissoa, seeing their resources are comparable. If it wasn't for Fissoa's higher noble count and the Federation, of course.
Some kind of ties would be nice :) Organise a rave near the Palm Sea Rock?
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1 v 1 I think Fissoa would steamroll over LV. Fissoa's long been established, LV is still a fledgling realm...
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Tbh the name Hendrick hardly rings a bell. It would be nice to have a war between LV and Fissoa, seeing their resources are comparable. If it wasn't for Fissoa's higher noble count and the Federation, of course.
Some kind of ties would be nice :) Organise a rave near the Palm Sea Rock?
I think a third of our realm is non-combatants, so that would be a quick little war. Until our big brother LN comes to help us out.
Battlemaster Burning Man, this summer in Palm Sea.
1 v 1 I think Fissoa would steamroll over LV. Fissoa's long been established, LV is still a fledgling realm...
No doubt about that. If, for some ungodly reason, the rest of Luria cut us off and we were in a one on one with Fissoa things would end rather fast and very poorly for us.
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Breaking news: Fissoans don't read letters. They just assume the contents are hostile instead of being helpful suggestions on how to cement the newly-formed peace. Declaration of war will be lifted tomorrow. :P
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Breaking news: Fissoans don't read letters. They just assume the contents are hostile instead of being helpful suggestions on how to cement the newly-formed peace. Declaration of war will be lifted tomorrow. :P
blast you, Solari :P
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Restrictive in the restricted sense that a boa constrictor is constrictive.
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Restrictive in the restricted sense that a boa constrictor is constrictive.
I don't think you know what you're talking about. :'(
EDIT: Unless this is a compliment. Boas are pretty cool. They suffocate their prey slowly, letting their struggle for freedom be their demise. Hmm, yes...
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Come on! LV boring?!?!? we are the hippie realm, half the nobles are pacifist, probably they are into drugs, I guess it's not boring it just that our times goes in some other way, please come and take a sample of this *eheem* and you will understand us...
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please come and take a sample of this *eheem* and you will understand us...
Becarefull what you wish for :) Who knows Hullu Hullu might hop up there, it would be end of the Hippies!
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Becarefull what you wish for :) Who knows Hullu Hullu might hop up there, it would be end of the Hippies!
See? This is what happens when we advertise ourselves!
Although it would be nice to have some more excitement. Maybe Brom could come back to Luria and join us or Alanna leaves Nova and decides to stake her claim in Shinnen. We could be the new Colonies for deporting your hated enemies/if you need to run away from the people who consider you an enemy.
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"Keep your friends close, but your enemies even closer"
So I prefer to keep them in Giask where I can watch them :P
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so sending Bipel to savage lands was a token of apreciation...
on the same line... poor mattias does he knows that probably is your worst enemy? jeje
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See? This is what happens when we advertise ourselves!
Although it would be nice to have some more excitement. Maybe Brom could come back to Luria and join us or Alanna leaves Nova and decides to stake her claim in Shinnen. We could be the new Colonies for deporting your hated enemies/if you need to run away from the people who consider you an enemy.
You'd lose a wife if you let the man who killed her sister breathe freely in our lands, young lord Hendrick.
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You'd lose a wife if you let the man who killed her sister breathe freely in our lands, young lord Hendrick.
Technically she killed herself.
Wait, is Alice married to Hendrick?
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"Keep your friends close, but your enemies even closer"
So I prefer to keep them in Giask where I can watch them :P
Why do you think you're still in LN yourself ;)
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Why do you think you're still in LN yourself ;)
Nobody wanted me in Pian en Luries ;(
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Nobody wanted me in Pian en Luries ;(
Malus did!
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You'd lose a wife if you let the man who killed her sister breathe freely in our lands, young lord Hendrick.
The invitation is just a pretext to get him here to cut off his head and give it to Alice as a wedding present! Women love decapitated enemies, right?
Technically she killed herself.
Wait, is Alice married to Hendrick?
Power-couple status ;D I'm still hoping that news doesn't reach Brom and Hendrick can extend the above invitation.
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The invitation is just a pretext to get him here to cut off his head and give it to Alice as a wedding present! Women love decapitated enemies, right?
I had one character who managed to woo his lady with a boiled down skull and a flower whilst wearing only pants. It's all about confidence and presentation!
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I had one character who managed to woo his lady with a boiled down skull and a flower whilst wearing only pants. It's all about confidence and presentation!
Nothing says "I love you" like the severed head of a mortal foe. Or flowers. Or pants. Though it might be more confident to not wear pants.
This was....not that kind of romance.
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Nothing says "I love you" like the severed head of a mortal foe. Or flowers. Or pants. Though it might be more confident to not wear pants.
As it turned out, not wearing pants was preferable to the lady. But he never wore any, being a raving lunatic northman and all, so wearing them took confidence :p
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Was this Sennianus?
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Yup.
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The invitation is just a pretext to get him here to cut off his head and give it to Alice as a wedding present! Women love decapitated enemies, right?
Power-couple status ;D I'm still hoping that news doesn't reach Brom and Hendrick can extend the above invitation.
Poor Hendrick, I had such high hopes for him. Does Alice know the truth of things?
Oh well. I'd watch out though Hendrick. That woman's family has a problem of having their husband's poisoned...then killing themselves. Not a good pattern, I'd say.
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Poor Hendrick, I had such high hopes for him. Does Alice know the truth of things?
Oh well. I'd watch out though Hendrick. That woman's family has a problem of having their husband's poisoned...then killing themselves. Not a good pattern, I'd say.
Oh, never fear - there is always more to Hendrick than there seems and Alice certainly isn't aware of the half of it. Arundel and I are in the midst of some writing to that effect, but in the meantime Brom's unintentional mentoring (RE: Stuff Brom Does) took root.
Ah love - the romancing, the wooing, the poisoning. I think the danger is mutual on both sides in this case ;D We'll see how things shake out. Expect a wedding invitation!
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And so the Lurian conflict has once again fallen to common gossip and love triangles ::) :P
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I miss the old days when civil wars were about stuff that mattered, like squashing your rival dukes and taking their goldz.
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The invitation is just a pretext to get him here to cut off his head and give it to Alice as a wedding present! Women love decapitated enemies, right?
All the good ones do.
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I miss the old days when civil wars were about stuff that mattered, like squashing your rival dukes and taking their goldz.
Bring me back. I'll bring back the good old civil wars.
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All the good ones do.
Amen, comatose brother-in-law :D
Bring me back. I'll bring back the good old civil wars.
No no no. We're finally getting this house in order and setting the furniture up nicely and getting the bloodstains out of the carpet. The last thing we need is Brom to come and crash with us for a month and leave the place a total mess with three more dead kings and ladies dangling from every balcony ;D
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No no no. We're finally getting this house in order and setting the furniture up nicely and getting the bloodstains out of the carpet. The last thing we need is Brom to come and crash with us for a month and leave the place a total mess with three more dead kings and ladies dangling from every balcony ;D
She was lonely, not my fault she chose the balcony instead of nice Brom. (Yes, I'm keeping up the rhetoric)
Fine, I'll let y'all get things in order. It'll be nice to see a united Luria for once. Plus, we'll see if it can actually last without Brom there. I mean if it can't what will me being there hurt anyway?
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A Luria that is united is like a dog that speaks: very rare. A Luria that stays united is like a dog that speaks Norwegian: even rarer!
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She was lonely, not my fault she chose the balcony instead of nice Brom. (Yes, I'm keeping up the rhetoric)
Fine, I'll let y'all get things in order. It'll be nice to see a united Luria for once. Plus, we'll see if it can actually last without Brom there. I mean if it can't what will me being there hurt anyway?
You're right, I should amend that - either Brom has a harem of wives or we have new corpse decorations from all our lighting fixtures ;D
And it certainly wouldn't hurt to have Brom back after everything is nice and tidy. Well, I mean it wouldn't hurt us but Brom's well-being might be a different matter entirely.
A Luria that is united is like a dog that speaks: very rare. A Luria that stays united is like a dog that speaks Norwegian: even rarer!
Whelp, there we go. Confederacy of the Norwegian Talking Dog. I guess I have to rename that treaty.
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And it certainly wouldn't hurt to have Brom back after everything is nice and tidy. Well, I mean it wouldn't hurt us but Brom's well-being might be a different matter entirely.
Here's what I suggest:
Tidy up, make Luria all united and everything then invite Brom to come back. BAM! You've just destroyed your unity.
Namely: The entirety of Luria devolves into Civil war over who gets to hang my character.
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Or we carve you up into equal chunks, one for each realm!
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Or we carve you up into equal chunks, one for each realm!
Then the people of Luria 1000 years from now could have pilgrimages to see all of the chunks of Brom spread across Dwilight (since obviously Luria conquered everyone)
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Then the people of Luria 1000 years from now could have pilgrimages to see all of the chunks of Brom spread across Dwilight (since obviously Luria conquered everyone)
I think you're overestimating Brom :P
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I think you're overestimating Brom :P
Not as much as they are overestimating the Lurias.
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Then the people of Luria 1000 years from now could have pilgrimages to see all of the chunks of Brom spread across Dwilight (since obviously Luria conquered everyone)
Ooh! Ooh! Luria Vesperi calls the head! I'll put it in my study and use it for holding quills or something.
Not as much as they are overestimating the Lurias.
Fatal mistake right there. Imagine if we weren't all backstabbing and fighting each other - all that shifty malice and militant fury would be directed at the rest of the world.
Here's what I suggest:
Tidy up, make Luria all united and everything then invite Brom to come back. BAM! You've just destroyed your unity.
Namely: The entirety of Luria devolves into Civil war over who gets to hang my character.
Until something like this happens. Luria does seem like the only place to hypothetically civil war over who gets to kill one man.
I guess Hendrick would have to do it? For honorable reasons of familial revenge? He can't even hold a sword...
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Until something like this happens. Luria does seem like the only place to hypothetically civil war over who gets to kill one man.
I guess Hendrick would have to do it? For honorable reasons of familial revenge? He can't even hold a sword...
Poor Alice, Hendrick doesn't even know how to use his sword.
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Poor Alice, Hendrick doesn't even know how to use his sword.
...I guess I set myself up for that one.
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A Luria that is united is like a dog that speaks: very rare. A Luria that stays united is like a dog that speaks Norwegian: even rarer!
Counting Fissoa in the united luria is like getting well mannered Hrok.
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Counting Fissoa in the united luria is like getting well mannered Hrok.
Funny you should make that comparison when you did, because Hrok actually HAS been constructive and well-behaved, and, well... the rest will be revealed in the fullness of time. :D
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Really !!! Thats why didn't heard much about mounting of messengers, sawing off their legs and as such.
Edit: Missing those good ol days.
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Really !!! Thats why didn't heard much about mounting of messengers, sawing off their legs and as such.
Sometimes, it is best to defeat your opponent silently, where only a few know what goes on.
You see, it's a matter of respect. The fact that no one has pissed him off in the last few months helps too :)
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New Alliance (32 minutes ago)
A new alliance, called "The Confederacy of Luria," has been signed by the following realms:
- Pian en Luries
- Luria Nova
- Solaria
- Luria Vesperi
Now comes the fun stuff...
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Now comes the fun stuff...
At first I gave a big sigh of relief that it finally worked out, then I realized the work we would have to do to keep it all together.
But the rest of the world should tremble at the united and confederated Luria ;D
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Good thing we will rename the whole thing later on.... confederation.. pff
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Good thing we will rename the whole thing later on.... confederation.. pff
H-hey! Come on, Confederation is a great name! Can't you just hear terrified scouts stammering out "T-the Confederation forces are here!"
I stand by the name as both rad and hella sweet.
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H-hey! Come on, Confederation is a great name! Can't you just hear terrified scouts stammering out "T-the Confederation forces are here!"
I stand by the name as both rad and hella sweet.
In a space opera? Sure.
In medieval times? Not so much. Empires are where it's at if you want to inspire fear.
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In a space opera? Sure.
In medieval times? Not so much. Empires are where it's at if you want to inspire fear.
Well, the Swiss Confederacy had what were considered elite pikeman.
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Well, the Swiss Confederacy had what were considered elite pikeman.
Which came after the Medieval period.
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Which came after the Medieval period.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Swiss_Confederacy
Traditional founding date: 1291. It's a very rare example though.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Swiss_Confederacy
Traditional founding date: 1291. It's a very rare example though.
So late medieval, I'm guessing.
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The Crown of Aragon was probably the earliest Western European example. But that name doesn't really inspire fear either. It sounds like a piece of jewelry.
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The Crown of Aragon was probably the earliest Western European example. But that name doesn't really inspire fear either. It sounds like a piece of jewelry.
Was that really a confederation though? If you are looking at the same wikipedia list as I am, it clearly says it includes personal unions.
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Was that really a confederation though? If you are looking at the same wikipedia list as I am, it clearly says it includes personal unions.
There's that element we don't have, but others are similar. A shared cultural bond, autonomy as it pertains to sets of laws and taxation policies, et cetera. The Confederacy document isn't the last stop, though. We're doing the other stuff now. If we can make all of it work (and a lot of work has gone into striking a balance between stability and autonomy) we might pull off something unique in BM. It could also come crashing down. This is Luria, after all. Everyone that's been deeply involved seems to be in agreement that the whole thing needs to have as little overhead and be as inclusive as possible (for Federated partners only, of course) for it to survive.
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Realms working together? Blasphemy! Backstabbing all the way.
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Realms working together? Blasphemy! Backstabbing all the way.
We're talking about Luria here, right?
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We're talking about Luria here, right?
Luria changed the last RL year orso, two stable powers are in control now with each enough land of their own. Although, everyone will have their own definition of stable..
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Enough land? What on earth are you talking about, you crazy person?
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Enough is too little, and too much is just about enough!
There is raising individual power at LN, whom greed has no limit, so that all Lurians will have even close enough land to live side by side with that power, they will need... hmm.. everything, and mayby a bit more than DWI can offer.
-jaune
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In a space opera? Sure.
In medieval times? Not so much. Empires are where it's at if you want to inspire fear.
All part of my plan to turn BM into a medieval themed space opera ;D
There's that element we don't have, but others are similar. A shared cultural bond, autonomy as it pertains to sets of laws and taxation policies, et cetera. The Confederacy document isn't the last stop, though. We're doing the other stuff now. If we can make all of it work (and a lot of work has gone into striking a balance between stability and autonomy) we might pull off something unique in BM. It could also come crashing down. This is Luria, after all. Everyone that's been deeply involved seems to be in agreement that the whole thing needs to have as little overhead and be as inclusive as possible (for Federated partners only, of course) for it to survive.
This and the Swiss Confederacy was what I based the naming scheme and some of the terms of the initial document on, the Crown of Aragon being the prime example, but one could also compare it to the brief alliances between Italian city-states. Though, hopefully this won't be as brief and we won't have the Venetians being mercurial idiots and selling all the weapons to the Ottoman Turks ;D.
And, indeed, the Confederacy is far from the last stop - its just an important first step that we all agreed on and adopted. The foundation of a more united Luria. I'm just excited to see how it changes the internal politics and feuding that already goes on in our happy peninsula.