Hey everyone,
I've attempted to RTO a rouge region however I keep getting (beforehand so never getting the option) that the current realm (rouge) has a too solid control. I got this message in a region with the following stats:
Production: Stopped
Morale: Bleak
In other regions, with similar stats I did get the option to do an RTO. Does anyone know why this exactly is and what can be done about it? I tried causing unrest a few times, but to my knowledge it has helped little.
My char has 80+ oratory skills and the region is 99% converted.
You cannot perform a religious takeover of rogue regions. Yes, this is intentional.
That is strange as I'm confident that I had the option in another Rogue region... And that does explain why I am not able to take the region then, too bad though.
The option appears, but it never succeeds. It should probably not be shown.
Quote from: Indirik on June 29, 2012, 06:19:59 PM
You cannot perform a religious takeover of rogue regions. Yes, this is intentional.
Didn't we used to be able to, though?
Can't claim netherworld regions either. Makes me quite sad. I want Fheuvenem and Ete back. :(
go recruit some units and do it the normal way
Quote from: fodder on June 29, 2012, 11:46:11 PM
go recruit some units and do it the normal way
Normal ways are for sissies.
I agree, on top of that I'm pretty sure I'm not able to recruit soldiers. All I can recruit is low-life scum peasants and lower nobility that do my bidding... apparently I lost that ability as well hehe.
Actually, RTOs on rogue regions has been a reoccurring bug. It breaks every now and then with updates.
http://bugs.battlemaster.org/view.php?id=5046
Yes, RTO seems to be a reoccurring bug. I have a question on RTO. If the message come out saying you cannot conduct RTO due to solid control, why we do not have option to Badmouth Rogue? You know, those rogue who control rogue region. Heh.
It happened previously as link below:
http://bugs.battlemaster.org/view.php?id=6920 (http://bugs.battlemaster.org/view.php?id=6920)
Quote from: Ketchum on July 02, 2012, 09:54:41 AM
Yes, RTO seems to be a reoccurring bug. I have a question on RTO. If the message come out saying you cannot conduct RTO due to solid control, why we do not have option to Badmouth Rogue? You know, those rogue who control rogue region. Heh.
Because in rogue regions, there is no remote government you can badmouth.
Quote from: Tom on July 03, 2012, 06:43:24 AM
Because in rogue regions, there is no remote government you can badmouth.
Can't you badmouth the
lack of a government?
Quote from: Tom on July 03, 2012, 06:43:24 AM
Because in rogue regions, there is no remote government you can badmouth.
But there is government to badmouth. And as priests, to declare the forces of evil.
QuoteThe peasants of Clermont have done something unthinkable - they have kicked out the local nobility and declared that they will be governing themselves from here on! Unbelievable! Peasants as rulers! The peasants within the rest of the realm will certainly take notice of this if we don't put down this anarchy quickly.
From the game's own description, there is some sort of ruling going on. It's anarchy as far as the nobility is concerned, but probably some sort of council of elders or village leaders would be in power.
perhaps loyalty to rogue is basically 0 anyway?
Even more reason to raise up the charismatic priest urging a change in government up as their lord then, no?
if you are willing to take the risk of being executed automatically?
So basically from understanding all posts here...
If rogue region too Solid Control, priests cannot RTO it. We have no way to reduce those Solid Control, not even Badmouth the lack of government or Badmouth Rogue. We will need military might for that.
If rogue region is not too Solid Control, priests can RTO it.
Am I right?
Which bring me to next question. Why cannot we Laud our own realm on rogue region? We can reduce those Solid Control and raise the rogue region sympathy to our realm???
rogues can't execute or ban you. so basically you get a free shot with no risk barring a small prison stay... i think diplo/priest actions shouldn't have much of an effect there due to the lack of risks.
Quote from: Ketchum on July 04, 2012, 07:19:02 AM
So basically from understanding all posts here...
No, basically:
"rogue" is not a realm, so any realm-related actions don't work as expected.
I've added a message "Claim region - you cannot declare a religious state where there is no government." for rogue regions. Can we all be happy now? ;)
Quote from: Foundation on July 05, 2012, 10:59:10 PM
I've added a message "Claim region - you cannot declare a religious state where there is no government." for rogue regions. Can we all be happy now? ;)
Thank you Foundation, I think this make it more clear, even to the new priests/diplomats :)
Er, is this the update that caused the blank screen? If yes, I need go hit my head for requesting too much :-[
No, not at all. This was an entirely separate change. Don't worry. :)
We've been rto-ing rouge regions for years and i don't remember it is ever said how that is undesirable or a bug.
now it is suddenly announced as something that was never intended. how anyone could know that? how to play game if rules cannot be known, and how to have any long-term strategy when you have no any idea what would work, what will not?
even spending considerable time to confirm what works and what doesn't will not help as everything can change over night without prior notice.
that is really discouraging as is the fact that majority of tweaks limit possible actions or implement additional burden to anyhow tedious things (this "please peasants about each and every diplomatic link" is my top-masochist tweak).