I'd like to know if theres intrest among players previously in Madina or with aspirations to be in it, to establish a realm based on it's culture and perhaps even religion?
I personally like it and still play two madinan characters with one of them still fiercly praying for "'er mercy"
Some basic concepts of Madinan culture where/are:
Strong anti royalist fuedalism, embracing free trade and the belief that a man can rule over his own property, including land.
It knows 4 classes, Governors(dukes, owners of duchies), Lords, Knights, Commoners.
Fashion is often informal or a way to express once richness, there is little or no formal fashion for a governor a lord or a government member.
Goverment is there to protect freedom of personal choice and trade, not take it away.
An eye for an eye will solve conflicts, a judge can simply guide to process of revange.
Land is a gift of 'er big blue deepness(God in the form of all the waters) and thus is life, and only sustains so because the big blue deep is pleased by worship and fear towards her and all that she contains(including fish n especialy sea monsters, like the Kraken for all ye fans out there) a Madinan never sails the oceans without fearing 'er wrath, shes served by showing strenght but also by respecting nature and her superior divine powers to swallow the world a whole or unleas a might monster upon ye.
Some things are above men and should be left alone with respect and fear, for example the Zuma or other superior beeings.
Excessive celebration and alcohol consumption, feast now for one day you shall perish.
A strong desire to make profit and become rich, which goes with the equally strong desire to spend it, especially publicly.
A desire and for some even a divine right to plunder ships, caravans, regions or cities, the strong shall stand the weak shall perish.
The stars are good tools to navigate or even predict the future as they are the reflection of the world with her oceans.
The souls of the dead go to the abbys under the waves from where restless souls rise again to terorize the living(undead), there is no after life or heaven, some souls find rest others don't 'n will come back.
Beauty and fertility are highly respected and cherished.
Do what i must as long as i by 'er mercy can for one day i longer am.
mmm... I don't think the Falkirkians will like this very much! ::)
Quote from: Poliorketes on October 31, 2012, 11:10:17 PM
mmm... I don't think the Falkirkians will like this very much! ::)
Even if it'd be to create a "free and sovereign" state?
Why?
Quote from: Indirik on November 01, 2012, 01:20:38 AM
Why?
I suppose he mean this is the kind of thing could better be made in game, not here... and I agree, but honestly I don't know how, as the game don't have any way to make global messages or rumours or news or whatever.
It's a question to see if anyone is interested. I don't see the harrm in that. It's not like he's soliciting for realms to attack someone, or infils to assassinate someone, or for coordinating a multi-realm move. This kind of request happens on the forums all the time. It's a great way to find interested parties.
It's done on IRC ALL of the time. I don't see anything wrong with this either. It's not sharing privileged info, it's players trying to get together to have more fun.
Quote from: DamnTaffer on November 01, 2012, 02:42:45 AM
Its planning IC actions and gaining IC support using OOC. Saying "One day I'd like to make a new Madina" is different to "Who would be interested in getting together with me and making a new Madina" which is what was said. If this is allowed here then by all means, I'll delete my posts and leave it be but I'd have thought it would be the same as messaging your leige over msn and asking for gold
This is more like a straw poll, if he sees some interest here he will see that he has at least a few potential character though he might not be sure who, and he will publicize work on getting characters IG, he is just seeing if there is some interest. He is not going to just do this, make the realm and expect all the characters of the players to join without any IG messages. He will work on it IC, he is just seeing if its even worth attempting basically.
Quote from: DamnTaffer on November 01, 2012, 02:42:45 AM
Its planning IC actions and gaining IC support using OOC. Saying "One day I'd like to make a new Madina" is different to "Who would be interested in getting together with me and making a new Madina" which is what was said. If this is allowed here then by all means, I'll delete my posts and leave it be but I'd have thought it would be the same as messaging your leige over msn and asking for gold
People have been doing it on IRC forever. I don't see why we'd punish those who now do this on the forums when the devs were fully aware of this practice since for as long as I can remember.
It'd be preferable to be done IG. But we can't prevent these things from being done OOC.
Alright then, my appologies for thread theft, i'll be deleting these now.
Quote from: DamnTaffer on November 01, 2012, 03:02:34 AM
Alright then, my appologies for thread theft, i'll be deleting these now.
Leave it, it will clear up confusion to others with similar questions.
Quote from: Penchant on November 01, 2012, 03:06:12 AM
Leave it, it will clear up confusion to others with similar questions.
I agree.
Quote from: Chénier on November 01, 2012, 03:11:40 AM
I agree.
Not that I hadn't already deleted them.. but I disagree, leaving them there invites a different conversation then the intended one, if clarification or conversation is needed on that topic it should be done elsewhere
I never thought I would miss Madina.
But damn, the guys who took their place are so much worse.
IG my characters persomality is enough to create a madinan cultural atmosphere where ever he goes, so this wont effect my IG play.
I won't be sharing what i am doing IG either.
I just like see how people feel for this on the forums.
In reply to perth, what do you feel is so terible about the falkirians and the Madina before them?
I know nothing of this new state, even thou i play in D'hara, they have no info on there realm page, no wiki, nothing.
I geus its just a duchy in Aruvendil, but not really because as a seperate realm they have certain advantages.
Quote from: Nosferatus on November 01, 2012, 09:13:29 AM
In reply to perth, what do you feel is so terible about the falkirians and the Madina before them?
I know nothing of this new state, even thou i play in D'hara, they have no info on there realm page, no wiki, nothing.
I geus its just a duchy in Aruvendil, but not really because as a seperate realm they have certain advantages.
I just meant in as much as Aurvandil replaced Madina as the southern power.
Quote from: Perth on November 01, 2012, 09:56:51 AM
I just meant in as much as Aurvandil replaced Madina as the southern power.
Madina was a "Power"?
We always feared they would backstab us, but not that they would achieve much on their own against us...
Quote from: Chénier on November 01, 2012, 11:55:33 AM
Madina was a "Power"?
We always feared they would backstab us, but not that they would achieve much on their own against us...
There was a time, pre-Aurvandil, when Madina was really a power– without Terran, they wouldn't burnt Paisly to the ground. And there was even a time post-Aurvandil as well when Madina was quite strong, albeit contained by Aurvandil.
Quote from: Vellos on November 01, 2012, 04:17:00 PM
There was a time, pre-Aurvandil, when Madina was really a power– without Terran, they wouldn't burnt Paisly to the ground. And there was even a time post-Aurvandil as well when Madina was quite strong, albeit contained by Aurvandil.
They could never bring themselves to do anything together. They couldn't even set their minds on anything.
Quote from: Chénier on November 01, 2012, 09:45:04 PM
They could never bring themselves to do anything together. They couldn't even set their minds on anything.
Ow now your totally cheniering by balls off pal.
madina was a place that seemed uncontroled but it was united once treatend as a whole, or in other cases when people shared intrest.
and btw, as a player i believe an enjoyable atmosphere to play in is a much greater value then military sucses or capabilities, or a strong realm policy oposed to strong indivudal characters and ambitions.
I also think Madina did fought a whole lot more serious warfare then D'hara and even terran all in all.
We fought many big battles against D'hara terran and Aurvendil.
Quote from: Nosferatus on November 02, 2012, 06:40:11 PM
Ow now your totally cheniering by balls off pal.
madina was a place that seemed uncontroled but it was united once treatend as a whole, or in other cases when people shared intrest.
and btw, as a player i believe an enjoyable atmosphere to play in is a much greater value then military sucses or capabilities, or a strong realm policy oposed to strong indivudal characters and ambitions.
I also think Madina did fought a whole lot more serious warfare then D'hara and even terran all in all.
We fought many big battles against D'hara terran and Aurvendil.
In any case, being a "power", in my mind, implies the ability to project one's aspirations abroad. Thulsoma could also defend themselves quite well, but I'd never have qualified them as a power.
What Madina could achieve or not when cornered doesn't interest me as far as which realms are "powers", but rather what they can pull themselves to achieve purely on their own. And Madinians agreeing to getting anything done, without being forced by external factors, was quite a rare feat. As such, D'Hara has long regarded Madina as being a low threat, because the odds of them attacking were small, and the odds of them maintaining a long campaign were even smaller. If we worked on minimizing the odds of a conflict arising, it was mostly out of the now-proven-correct fear that the Lurias could and would attack us while at our weakest.
Quote from: Chénier on November 02, 2012, 07:08:22 PM
In any case, being a "power", in my mind, implies the ability to project one's aspirations abroad. Thulsoma could also defend themselves quite well, but I'd never have qualified them as a power.
What Madina could achieve or not when cornered doesn't interest me as far as which realms are "powers", but rather what they can pull themselves to achieve purely on their own. And Madinians agreeing to getting anything done, without being forced by external factors, was quite a rare feat. As such, D'Hara has long regarded Madina as being a low threat, because the odds of them attacking were small, and the odds of them maintaining a long campaign were even smaller. If we worked on minimizing the odds of a conflict arising, it was mostly out of the now-proven-correct fear that the Lurias could and would attack us while at our weakest.
Who's a power under such values? Morek, Astrum and Aurvandil only?
Quote from: JPierreD on November 03, 2012, 01:02:58 PM
Who's a power under such values? Morek, Astrum and Aurvandil only?
I'd add in the 'moot as a whole, even if I wouldn't qualify the individual realms in it as such. We did get all of these people to band against Aurvandil, after all. But yea.
Otherwise, if everyone is a "power", then "power" really doesn't mean anything anymore.
The church as a whole would be considered as a superpower. Aurvandil would not, considering how poorly they fair diplomatically and how it impacts their war capacities (region protests forcing lower taxes and greater control efforts).
Quote from: Chénier on November 03, 2012, 02:13:30 PM
I'd add in the 'moot as a whole, even if I wouldn't qualify the individual realms in it as such. We did get all of these people to band against Aurvandil, after all. But yea.
The 'moot as a whole doesn't fit the requirements you listed for someone to be considered a power. Either that, or Madina fits as well.
Quote from: JPierreD on November 03, 2012, 06:00:54 PM
The 'moot as a whole doesn't fit the requirements you listed for someone to be considered a power. Either that, or Madina fits as well.
Debatable, granted. The 'moot never initiated any project that concerns the outside world that I can recall, that is true, but that's because we never really had the desire to, unlike the Lurias or Madina who just couldn't rally the support amongst their peers to do so (they had people wanting to invade D'Hara, whereas D'Hara never really had any aspirations of conquering either of them). We did successfully repel every invasion attempt thus far, too (Madina, Caerwyn, Kabrinskia, Lurias, Aurvandil), whereas Madina lost all wars they were involved in and just got eaten up by the first enemy to show up that actually has the will to wage a serious counter-attack against them. Because the 'moot had influence, and Madina had none.
Quote from: Chénier on November 03, 2012, 06:11:35 PM
whereas Madina lost all wars they were involved in and just got eaten up by the first enemy to show up that actually has the will to wage a serious counter-attack against them. Because the 'moot had influence, and Madina had none.
Yeah, i'd like to see D'hara fight a one on one war against aurvendil that close to there capital...
And D'hara does have way more economic potential.
I think your starting a bit of a pointless discusion chenier.
Quote from: Nosferatus on November 03, 2012, 06:15:12 PM
Yeah, i'd like to see D'hara fight a one on one war against aurvendil that close to there capital...
And D'hara does have way more economic potential.
I think your starting a bit of a pointless discusion chenier.
I never said D'Hara on its own is a power. The difference between Madina and D'Hara is that D'Hara has friends to help out and can pull strings abroad. Madina, on the other hand, faced cold apathy at best, and a bunch of people seriously considering joining in on Aurvandil's side.
yeah Madina was indeed always very isolated.
It didnt care much about the rest of the world.
I am just trying to figure out kind of what purpose your discusion has.
If where to determine Madina beeing a fun place to play in, isolation, inner conflict and especialy a unique atmosphere in culture religion and goverment structure are more important for the individual fun in my opinion.
Personally what my realm achieves in foreign policy does not intrest me as much as a player.
I set up Madina on purpose to be a place where lords can rule like kings and could execute there plans what ever they are with there knights as they wished.
I dont really like large powers on continents as it ussualy pushes all players into playing in one direction, i believed a bit more room for chaos and complexity would create a fun dynamic game, which it did in my opinion.
For example, if Madina was a very influential power, D'hara would probaly not be there and Madina would endlesly recreate its colony in Paisly and raviel, and dwilight would baiscaly fare into two directions, Madina or SA with little room for diversity.
Now there was a fun war with plenty of battles for all and a new kind of realm on the tomb isles.
I think the moot even became a sucses thanks to this madinan treat back then.
It was the first time i remember a united military alliance was seen from terran D'hara and barca.
Quote from: Nosferatus on November 03, 2012, 07:24:13 PM
yeah Madina was indeed always very isolated.
It didnt care much about the rest of the world.
I am just trying to figure out kind of what purpose your discusion has.
If where to determine Madina beeing a fun place to play in, isolation, inner conflict and especialy a unique atmosphere in culture religion and goverment structure are more important for the individual fun in my opinion.
Personally what my realm achieves in foreign policy does not intrest me as much as a player.
I set up Madina on purpose to be a place where lords can rule like kings and could execute there plans what ever they are with there knights as they wished.
I dont really like large powers on continents as it ussualy pushes all players into playing in one direction, i believed a bit more room for chaos and complexity would create a fun dynamic game, which it did in my opinion.
For example, if Madina was a very influential power, D'hara would probaly not be there and Madina would endlesly recreate its colony in Paisly and raviel, and dwilight would baiscaly fare into two directions, Madina or SA with little room for diversity.
Now there was a fun war with plenty of battles for all and a new kind of realm on the tomb isles.
I think the moot even became a sucses thanks to this madinan treat back then.
It was the first time i remember a united military alliance was seen from terran D'hara and barca.
Someone qualified Madina as a power, a descriptor I did not agree with. A debate ensued.
I never implied that this made Madina any less fun to play in.
Now now Chernier . . . with the Lord Admiral at the head Madina was a Power. But only because Vallyn commanded the respect and power of the Dukes and Lords. And more importantly he knew how to . . . convince (er, manipulate?) them all into following his lead.
As for my good Duke - of course there are those of us waiting around.
However, I suspect if I unpaused Vallyn at this point I'd have a right quick run to make it to Fissoa as a Rogue before I died :D
But, with going into my post-grad degree and not working more than full time I think it's about time I rejoin the game once more. A year and a bit off seems like a good time to let things change.
Quote from: Phellan on November 14, 2012, 08:42:10 PM
But, with going into my post-grad degree and not working more than full time I think it's about time I rejoin the game once more. A year and a bit off seems like a good time to let things change.
Huray! :)
Quote from: Nosferatus on November 14, 2012, 10:51:05 PM
Huray! :)
+1. It's great to see old player rejoining. Also, I think you could make it to Fissoa without too much trouble.
Call for family aid and take the nearest ship, if needed. Easiest way to escape, I'd say.
any way, phellan, have you unpaused yet? cant wait to play along!
Not yet - I will likely in the next few weeks once I get some more time. Still finishing up the last of my work before the holidays.
Don't worry - I'll send you an OOC once I do. I should have your contact still to do so.
cool, don't think you would find Abbot around but there is someone else in the picture, rumoured to be one of abbots sons.
PS, ultra nerd alarm, i am actually crafting a Madina themed fender strat guitar, i'll show you as soon as it is finished.
I really feel like i've reached rock bottom in my BM addiction by this.
Quote from: Phellan on November 27, 2012, 12:11:19 AM
Not yet - I will likely in the next few weeks once I get some more time. Still finishing up the last of my work before the holidays.
Don't worry - I'll send you an OOC once I do. I should have your contact still to do so.
If Vallyn is as much fun as Barbarossa, we're in for a treat :) Fissoa has a newfound direction, feels good. Rebooting Madina won't be easy, though - if not impossible. But I could see Fissoa going a little back to it's roots?
Quote from: Shizzle on November 28, 2012, 12:35:33 AM
If Vallyn is as much fun as Barbarossa, we're in for a treat :)
That is definitely true. Every letter Barbarossa wrote while in D'hara I enjoyed as they have a unique style to them.
Quote from: Penchant on November 28, 2012, 04:26:16 AM
That is definitely true. Every letter Barbarossa wrote while in D'hara I enjoyed as they have a unique style to them.
Aye!
Then why don't you reward that unique style and obviously genius roleplaying with some serious medals?
mhh?! ::)
mumbles almost unbearably: "Yeah! MORE, MORE MEDALS! Soooon they will all be mine....." while continue to rub palms against each other in a sneaky matter.
Quote from: Nosferatus on November 28, 2012, 04:27:44 PM
Then why don't you reward that unique style and obviously genius roleplaying with some serious medals?
mhh?! ::)
mumbles almost unbearably: "Yeah! MORE, MORE MEDALS! Soooon they will all be mine....." while continue to rub palms against each other in a sneaky matter.
I have no medals to give, otherwise I would.
!@#$, delay arrival is not working...
There goes our expidition, ill file a bug report
Quote from: Nosferatus on November 30, 2012, 09:48:13 AM
!@#$, delay arrival is not working...
There goes our expidition, ill file a bug report
Yeah, it's a pain. We'll see how this evening turns out.
Quote from: Shizzle on November 30, 2012, 10:46:34 AM
Yeah, it's a pain. We'll see how this evening turns out.
bad :)