Pretty much what the title says: 'Hero' Class characters receive the option of choosing a 'Nickname' to appear between their first and last names at a certain level or prestige or honor or battles fought or whatever seems like the most suitable criteria.
The 'Nickname' could appear everywhere the character's name does, or only the on letters written in-character (not on the login screen).
It could even be continent-specific; the nickname could disappear when the character emigrates to represent starting a new life.
What, like "Jakon the Conqueror" for a Hero who has won a lot of battles or "Kalon the Duellist" for someone with high Swords skills?
Quote from: Velax on April 07, 2013, 05:52:42 AM
What, like "Jakon the Conqueror" for a Hero who has won a lot of battles or "Kalon the Duellist" for someone with high Swords skills?
Yeah, I would assume that is what he means. Like "Mick the Slasher"(BoM) too.
Neat idea, I like it!
Rejected for practicality.
Computers just aren't very creative, and finding a fitting name that is unique is not a small task. We would end up with either names that don't really fit or with tons of "XYZ the Conquerer" people.
Quote from: Tom on April 07, 2013, 12:14:09 PM
Rejected for practicality.
Computers just aren't very creative, and finding a fitting name that is unique is not a small task. We would end up with either names that don't really fit or with tons of "XYZ the Conquerer" people.
I assumed the player could choose the nickname. Is it really a problem if they are not unique?
Quote from: Tom on April 07, 2013, 12:14:09 PM
Rejected for practicality.
Computers just aren't very creative, and finding a fitting name that is unique is not a small task. We would end up with either names that don't really fit or with tons of "XYZ the Conquerer" people.
Maybe there could be a dozen or so names for each category. So for battles it could be "Jakon the Conqueror" or "Jakon the Destroyer" or "Jakon the Terrible" and so on. You wouldn't have to come up with the names yourself - just give the forum the categories you'd want and we'll suggest a ton of names for you.
Quote from: vonGenf on April 07, 2013, 12:59:12 PM
I assumed the player could choose the nickname. Is it really a problem if they are not unique?
Nicknames aren't choosen, they are given.
Quote from: Tom on April 07, 2013, 03:49:48 PM
Nicknames aren't choosen, they are given.
That is quite true, perhaps the general bestows it upon them? Or perhaps it is still the hero choosing but it has to be okayed by the general and is roleplayed as the general giving the nickname. I already know of some fitting descriptions to describe why the hero would pick it. While I do agree that nicknames aren't chosen, they are given, I also think that the player/character should at least be able to veto a name given to him so as to prevent him from being forced to sign a nickname he doesn't like.
I do think at this point of the features development, especially with it not fitting to the feature request requirement setup, that this should be moved to development and fleshed out better there before being seriously involved. If that were done, it would still be nice if you came back to the thread and repeated to tell us what was wrong with our ideas so we can work on fixing them. Roleplay is something I feel has been lacking in the game lately, which this would help, IMO.
But this isn't how nicknames (or epithets) were given, either. They weren't something that was bestowed upon you like a medal: they emerged as something that your peers and/or the people called you. Organically, naturally, without the possibility of being influenced or gamed (generally).
This suggestion, in various forms, has come up a number of times over the years, and try as I might, I have never been able to come up with a method of applying such epithets that doesn't fall victim to one of two serious problems: being too artificial and limited, due to being applied by the game, or being too easy to abuse, due to being applied by the players.
I support Tom! Reject it.
Simply solution... RP it. If nothing else call your self some nickname that your men or your captain bestow on you.
Quote from: Blue Star on April 07, 2013, 06:46:28 PM
I support Tom! Reject it.
Simply solution... RP it. If nothing else call your self some nickname that your men or your captain bestow on you.
So many reasons why that is not viable/this is preferred. To Tim, perhaps that is true, but I could think of ways to make even that work. I just don't want this feature to just be rejected and its done. I want a, "flesh this out better and here are some of the current flaws, try again when you have fixed this."
I'm all for the realm being able to create additional vanity titles, but nicknames? Nah. Plenty of characters already have nicknames, and it's fine like that. All of the proposed systems feel just too gamey.
Quote from: Chénier on April 07, 2013, 07:01:39 PM
I'm all for the realm being able to create additional vanity titles, but nicknames? Nah. Plenty of characters already have nicknames, and it's fine like that. All of the proposed systems feel just too gamey.
List some characters that have nicknames then? I think a few reference Bowie as the Demon of Dwilight but I am rather sure its a self-imposed nickname.
Quote from: Penchant on April 07, 2013, 07:10:34 PM
List some characters that have nicknames then? I think a few reference Bowie as the Demon of Dwilight but I am rather sure its a self-imposed nickname.
On BT I regularly see it, though I can't claim to remember them all by heart. Many of them are slanderous, though (such as "the snake"), but many weren't. Maybe "plenty" was exaggerated, though, but I'm pretty sure Retravic, Hireshmont, and Delvin all had nicknames/epithets. Pretty sure a number of my characters had nicknames/epithets over the years... but, well, years ago.
Baal on Dwilight became known as Ball the Betrayer after he broke Caerwyn's federation with Astrum and launched a sneak attack that caused the deaths of tens of thousands of Astrum's peasants.
Galiard on FEI is known simply as "Old Galiard". ;)
I've given quite a few people a statue in Unger, and with the statue comes a nickname. This goes from the founder of Thalmarkin to the guy who killed Overlord. Pretty much if you have achieved something really remarkable, you'll get a statue and a nickname, though it usually takes a while to come up with a good one. :)
My thought on how to receive a nickname that the game uses for your character is having people, perhaps restricted to realm-mates submit in nicknames that a person goes by, then when enough has been reached they receive the nickname. It can certainly be gamed with my current suggestion, but its the best I have so far. The idea is that if people have gave you nickname, you will then be able to use it.
Quote from: Anaris on April 07, 2013, 06:30:53 PM
But this isn't how nicknames (or epithets) were given, either. They weren't something that was bestowed upon you like a medal: they emerged as something that your peers and/or the people called you. Organically, naturally, without the possibility of being influenced or gamed (generally).
Quote from: Chénier on April 07, 2013, 07:01:39 PM
I'm all for the realm being able to create additional vanity titles, but nicknames? Nah. Plenty of characters already have nicknames, and it's fine like that. All of the proposed systems feel just too gamey.
Agreed. Nicknames are only cool if they are relatively scarce. If every character can suddenly (upon reaching certain H/P requirements) get a nickname, all of sudden they aren't very cool anymore.
Nicknames DO happen from time to time. Glaumring is STILL known as "the Mad" or "the Mad King" in the Maroccidens despite not even being king anymore. Bowie has a variety of nicknames (sure some are self-made, but if you can get it to stick and people use it, more power to ya). Vikings around the Barony/Heorot like to call Kerwin the "Coward King" because he surrendered Eston. Eston's history knows the Duke who seceded Massillion as "the Black Duke."
Those are just ones off the top of my head.
Quote from: Penchant on April 07, 2013, 06:51:28 PM
I just don't want this feature to just be rejected and its done. I want a, "flesh this out better and here are some of the current flaws, try again when you have fixed this."
You might not want that, but that's how it is. Rejected by both Tim and me, and that's pretty much a death spell.
Don't come back unless you have something that solves not only every objection posted here, but also a number we didn't get into. More likely, while you think about it in depth, you will come to the same conclusion as we have.
Just to note
Sordanz is Dread King, Lich King, etc. Has been since 08. Prior I don't remember him having it.
I believe CE and Sirion can easily be called the Evil Empires. Well at least from their enemies.
Suville, is called Abington obvious reason if you've been on AT a long time.
I'm sure their are a few others
Sordnaz was also known amongst some of Minas Ithil's nobility as "Sordnaz the Betrayer" and "Sordnaz the Craven" after he abandoned MI in the war.
Quote from: Stabbity on April 08, 2013, 01:14:32 AM
Sordnaz was also known amongst some of Minas Ithil's nobility as "Sordnaz the Betrayer" and "Sordnaz the Craven" after he abandoned MI in the war.
in Eston a lot of folks used to just call him "the Old."
Quote from: Tom on April 08, 2013, 12:12:48 AM
You might not want that, but that's how it is. Rejected by both Tim and me, and that's pretty much a death spell.
Don't come back unless you have something that solves not only every objection posted here, but also a number we didn't get into. More likely, while you think about it in depth, you will come to the same conclusion as we have.
So the idea, in and of itself is not rejected, just the current suggestion?
We like the idea of having epithets in-game.
We just haven't found any reasonable way of implementing them that isn't absolutely riddled with problems.
Quote from: Anaris on April 08, 2013, 03:53:35 AM
We like the idea of having epithets in-game.
We just haven't found any reasonable way of implementing them that isn't absolutely riddled with problems.
I have some thoughts that might work but likely have problems, is there a thread where this has previously been discussed so I can look at other thoughts and their issues?
Tim was being nice.
Not only haven't we found one, we are very sure that we can shoot holes the size of an aircraft carrier into any proposal.
Quote from: Perth on April 07, 2013, 11:43:08 PM
Agreed. Nicknames are only cool if they are relatively scarce. If every character can suddenly (upon reaching certain H/P requirements) get a nickname, all of sudden they aren't very cool anymore.
Nicknames DO happen from time to time. Glaumring is STILL known as "the Mad" or "the Mad King" in the Maroccidens despite not even being king anymore. Bowie has a variety of nicknames (sure some are self-made, but if you can get it to stick and people use it, more power to ya). Vikings around the Barony/Heorot like to call Kerwin the "Coward King" because he surrendered Eston. Eston's history knows the Duke who seceded Massillion as "the Black Duke."
Those are just ones off the top of my head.
Don't forget Erasmus the Black Judge– he's back, btw.
Quote from: Tom on April 08, 2013, 02:27:43 PM
Tim was being nice.
Not only haven't we found one, we are very sure that we can shoot holes the size of an aircraft carrier into any proposal.
Tom, the aircraft carrier launcher is still in testing! Don't break the only prototype! :(
Quote from: Eirikr on April 18, 2013, 06:30:45 AM
Tom, the aircraft carrier launcher is still in testing! Don't break the only prototype! :(
Seriously imagine an Aircraft Carrier-Launcher. Seriously. Think about it. Fighter jets swarming off the deck, phalanx guns blazing erratically, crewmen sliding overboard as it flies in a graceful arc through the air to impact on whatever happens to be the unfortunate target of this ridiculous weapon. (My idea, in this case)
Anyway, my idea was more like a Hero gets a nickname from the commoners (and mind you, that it would only be heroes). was that it would be ratio-based. Like achieving a certain win/loss ratio for duels, or for battles where the Hero was in command, or a certain amount of gold acquired from looting, etc. Then there would be a list of maybe a dozen or so names synonymous with the Hero's particular accomplishments, and (here is the important part), the Hero would then get to CHOOSE whether or not to accept the nickname.
I dunno... maybe we should just make the Aircraft Carrier-apult. That sounds way cooler anyway.
Quote from: Bendix on May 22, 2013, 06:23:39 AM
Seriously imagine an Aircraft Carrier-Launcher. Seriously. Think about it. Fighter jets swarming off the deck, phalanx guns blazing erratically, crewmen sliding overboard as it flies in a graceful arc through the air to impact on whatever happens to be the unfortunate target of this ridiculous weapon. (My idea, in this case)
Anyway, my idea was more like a Hero gets a nickname from the commoners (and mind you, that it would only be heroes). was that it would be ratio-based. Like achieving a certain win/loss ratio for duels, or for battles where the Hero was in command, or a certain amount of gold acquired from looting, etc. Then there would be a list of maybe a dozen or so names synonymous with the Hero's particular accomplishments, and (here is the important part), the Hero would then get to CHOOSE whether or not to accept the nickname.
I dunno... maybe we should just make the Aircraft Carrier-apult. That sounds way cooler anyway.
He launches aircraft carriers into the air?
Reminds me of this unit I downloaded for Total Annihilation, back in the days... A spaceship with landing pads... And cloaking for itself and landed ships. Except that, thing is, the ship could have 3 more of the same mega ship loaded onto it, and they could all fire even when landed. So I'd end up with 50 of these super spaceships stacked on each other, with only the main one to control and cloak them all but all of their firepower. :) Downloaded units for that game were so cool! XD
The US army should totally invent gigantic canons that shoot aircraft carriers at people.