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Title: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Kain on April 14, 2013, 03:33:12 PM
Basically I'm hoping to find a fun new realm with lots of chatter if that is possible. Not too big. So far my idea is Swordfell or D'Hara. What do you guys think?
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Chenier on April 14, 2013, 04:03:10 PM
Basically I'm hoping to find a fun new realm with lots of chatter if that is possible. Not too big. So far my idea is Swordfell or D'Hara. What do you guys think?

D'Hara: Paranoid (and justly so) realm in the middle of everyone, about to get ganked by super powers.
Swordfell: Unstable realm in the middle of two great powers, potential to be ganked at any time by said powers.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Kain on April 14, 2013, 04:22:00 PM
D'Hara: Paranoid (and justly so) realm in the middle of everyone, about to get ganked by super powers.
Swordfell: Unstable realm in the middle of two great powers, potential to be ganked at any time by said powers.

So you opinion is to have fun with the being ganked by super powers?  ;D

Some of the most fun I've had has been with realms that are outpowered and outnumbered so it is not necessarily a bad thing from a "player seeking fun"-perspective.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Dishman on April 14, 2013, 05:32:03 PM
Not sure about D'Hara, but Swordfell ebbs and flows with activity. Between the Mendicant/DNS problems, a few active characters are in comas, but we still try to keep things active.

You'll be fast-tracked to lordship, I can tell you that. We don't have enough eligible nobles to lord over Nyuushi and the Divides, and the monsters/undead seem to like to throw parties there. We need people to join in on the debate of our code/constitution.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Shizzle on April 14, 2013, 05:33:07 PM
Not really trying to advertise (I might be out soon), but have you considered Fissoa? One of the new realms where Terran used to be might be interesting, or Barca. Crises lead to opportunity.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Tandaros on April 14, 2013, 05:44:59 PM
Not really trying to advertise (I might be out soon), but have you considered Fissoa? One of the new realms where Terran used to be might be interesting, or Barca. Crises lead to opportunity.

Shizzle has a point; if you REALLY like playing as the underdog, go check out Phantaria or Saffalore.

D'Hara, Swordfell, and Fissoa are all in the "between a rock and a hard place" situation, as tends to happen when you get wedged between major powers. DH has come to accept we'll be threatened at almost all times, which makes for a fun, high octane (or yes, paranoid) climate in game. We do tend to be pretty active and have ways for everyone to get involved from the get-go.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: JeVondair on April 14, 2013, 06:03:52 PM
Not gonna lie, the Luria's seem like a pretty fun place atm. Especially if they really will be breaking into smaller realms again. The vendettas and counter-vendettas, coups and schemes have made for very interesting gameplay, I've heard, and a devoted player base.

I'd say that D'Hara doesn't get really cool until you score a Lordship. Realm discussions are high octain, but fizzle out quickly. There are avenues to make it really interesting, but no one really takes advantage of doing so. D'Hara also has the highest number of royal characters in Dwilight. It's like a retirement home...

Falkirk might be interesting because, since the war couldn't be finished, they have not been wiped of the map. They have all of madina to reclaim and a mortal enemy in Fissoa

Saffalore does not have anyone playing in it really. Should be an easy Lordship, at which point the surrounding powers will probably convince you to join them. Cool stuff.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Kain on April 14, 2013, 06:43:56 PM
Not sure about D'Hara, but Swordfell ebbs and flows with activity. Between the Mendicant/DNS problems, a few active characters are in comas, but we still try to keep things active.

But would you say it is more of a quiet realm or a lively realm?

Shizzle has a point; if you REALLY like playing as the underdog, go check out Phantaria or Saffalore.

D'Hara, Swordfell, and Fissoa are all in the "between a rock and a hard place" situation, as tends to happen when you get wedged between major powers. DH has come to accept we'll be threatened at almost all times, which makes for a fun, high octane (or yes, paranoid) climate in game. We do tend to be pretty active and have ways for everyone to get involved from the get-go.

Hehe, I don't intend to seek out the most underdog one can find because if I did I would probably pick Saffalore. A quick look and it seems the ruler is also general, banker and duke. Like two men running the realm. But then again..maybe I should pick that. If we don't die it will be legandary ;)

But I prefer them to the biggest of the biggest since I feel there is something to accomplish then.

I do like your words about D'Hara. I just hope they are true. I've been in too many quiet realms and since I'm pretty active myself I prefer likeminded :D

Not gonna lie, the Luria's seem like a pretty fun place atm. Especially if they really will be breaking into smaller realms again. The vendettas and counter-vendettas, coups and schemes have made for very interesting gameplay, I've heard, and a devoted player base.

I'd say that D'Hara doesn't get really cool until you score a Lordship. Realm discussions are high octain, but fizzle out quickly. There are avenues to make it really interesting, but no one really takes advantage of doing so. D'Hara also has the highest number of royal characters in Dwilight. It's like a retirement home...

Falkirk might be interesting because, since the war couldn't be finished, they have not been wiped of the map. They have all of madina to reclaim and a mortal enemy in Fissoa

Saffalore does not have anyone playing in it really. Should be an easy Lordship, at which point the surrounding powers will probably convince you to join them. Cool stuff.

Will Luria Nova become several and if so when? I think it is too big for my taste at the moment.

Why does D'Hara have so many royal characters? How are their election systems like? Elect once or often? appointed? Considering they are a monarchy but the ruler is still titled Prime Minister?

Another thing I was thinking about - why does Aurvandil have so many nobles? 8 more than Luria Nova despite having like half the amount of regions.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Chenier on April 14, 2013, 06:57:34 PM
Aurvandil cheated, to make it short. A lot of their locked accounts are still counted by the various stats page, and will be until the game removes them. Their "underdog" situation, combined with illegitemate might, made them a very attractive realm for a bunch of different people, who desired to profit from their strength. As such, their strength allowed them to get more strength. The cheating also allowed them to get endless funds from multies set up in a ton of realms in other continents, allowing them to field huge armies despite being a small realm without any significantly wealthy regions.

As for D'Hara, you don't get spammed with letters every day, but there are various message groups that do have decent chatter and which you can join, either off the bat (Midland Council) or over time (House of Lords). There are a good numer of players, however, who readily participate in things that others start, and we regularly have RPs that have nothing to do with measurable IG objectives. One example is the monarchy. As you pointed out, the realm is a "monarchy" with a Prime Minister. While it may seem contradictory, it's basically the same thing as the british Commonwealth. We've always had a King, but since the last Dragon King autopaused, we RPed him as a background NPC, and run the realm as a republic with quarterly elections for every position. The House of Lords is the reigning body, and they decide most things one way or another. However, we recently RPed the old Dragon King's assassination, and my character was elected as a replacement, though he has yet to be crowned. And it all started with a few people wanting more than a mere NPC nobody really played, and everyone pretty much went along with it. As  such, if you want to start things, there are good chances a decent number of people will tag along and participate. If you stay silent and don't ask to get included in any message group and don't try to get any promotions, though, then you'll miss out on a lot. But that's to be expected pretty much everywhere, imo.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Dishman on April 14, 2013, 07:21:26 PM
But would you say it is more of a quiet realm or a lively realm?

It's more lively than my time in Morek (where there were 2-3 times as many nobles), but it's mostly 3 or 4 players who are making it lively. I'd say it's somewhere between quiet and lively, really. You'll probably have more social interaction in D'Hara or Luria, but in Swordfell you'll get a chance to take part in the decision making process of the realm.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Tandaros on April 14, 2013, 07:26:16 PM
As for D'Hara, you don't get spammed with letters every day, but there are various message groups that do have decent chatter and which you can join, either off the bat (Midland Council) or over time (House of Lords). There are a good numer of players, however, who readily participate in things that others start, and we regularly have RPs that have nothing to do with measurable IG objectives. One example is the monarchy. As you pointed out, the realm is a "monarchy" with a Prime Minister. While it may seem contradictory, it's basically the same thing as the british Commonwealth. We've always had a King, but since the last Dragon King autopaused, we RPed him as a background NPC, and run the realm as a republic with quarterly elections for every position. The House of Lords is the reigning body, and they decide most things one way or another. However, we recently RPed the old Dragon King's assassination, and my character was elected as a replacement, though he has yet to be crowned. And it all started with a few people wanting more than a mere NPC nobody really played, and everyone pretty much went along with it. As  such, if you want to start things, there are good chances a decent number of people will tag along and participate. If you stay silent and don't ask to get included in any message group and don't try to get any promotions, though, then you'll miss out on a lot. But that's to be expected pretty much everywhere, imo.

This is all true. The place is diverse and has a lot of character.  Ismail made his chops with regular cage-rattling, and people were generally pretty receptive. You get out of DH what you put into it. I've found there are some people in DH who are really into super interesting low-key roleplays, which is pretty much the entire reason why I play BM.

Dishman brings up a good point that if you want to rise quickly, Swordfell might be a better choice, and it seems like a really interesting place with the blending influence of Luria and Morek.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Chenier on April 14, 2013, 08:31:28 PM
I'd advise against Phantaria, though. With but a very small number of nobles, sure, you MIGHT be able to get a lordship or even a government position, but that's if they don't get gobbled up within the month. And even if the few nobles are active (which there is no guarantee of), the realm just lacks the critical mass necessary to maintain interesting interactions.

D'Hara, Swordfell, or Fissoa are better choices than Phantaria.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on April 14, 2013, 08:47:19 PM
I'd advise against Phantaria, though. With but a very small number of nobles, sure, you MIGHT be able to get a lordship or even a government position, but that's if they don't get gobbled up within the month. And even if the few nobles are active (which there is no guarantee of), the realm just lacks the critical mass necessary to maintain interesting interactions.

D'Hara, Swordfell, or Fissoa are better choices than Phantaria.

You get out of a realm what you put into it. I wouldn't discourage someone from joining a realm like Phantaria just because it 'might' get gobbled up.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Chenier on April 14, 2013, 08:50:38 PM
You get out of a realm what you put into it. I wouldn't discourage someone from joining a realm like Phantaria just because it 'might' get gobbled up.

The main argument is not that it might get gobbled up, though it should be considered, but rather that the very small number of nobles make the potential for interaction incredibly low. Unless you like limiting yourself to talking with just one other dude, that is.

Micro realms are good for promotions, but not for RP and overall chatter or interactions.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Perth on April 14, 2013, 09:07:30 PM
Phantaria is quiet, we need more nobles.

Why not come join it? Big, chatty realm don't become big, chatty realms unless people decide to make them that way at some point!



Also... who the hell is wanting to "gobble up" Phantaria!?
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Feylonis on April 14, 2013, 09:17:42 PM
:)
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Perth on April 14, 2013, 09:20:58 PM
:)

We're supposed to be friends!
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Gustav Kuriga on April 14, 2013, 09:28:25 PM
If I had my choice, the Farronite Republic would already be tearing the place apart. As it is, our leader is a tad bit more diplomatic...

Speaking of the Farronite Republic, we could a few active nobles. We're currently taking control of the regions to the south of us. Currently there is some contention regarding Inklen, but if Phantaria doesn't act soon, we'll take that as well.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Daimall on April 14, 2013, 09:30:58 PM
Come join Nisuler! We have lands for the taking and we have been getting more an more active as of late.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on April 14, 2013, 09:33:45 PM
The main argument is not that it might get gobbled up, though it should be considered, but rather that the very small number of nobles make the potential for interaction incredibly low. Unless you like limiting yourself to talking with just one other dude, that is.

Micro realms are good for promotions, but not for RP and overall chatter or interactions.

Its as good as the effort the nobles put into the realm. Who cares how long it lasts or how awesome it was. It helps set a trajectory for the nobles of that realm to develop RP and their own unique culture. It is up to you how it looks.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Kain on April 14, 2013, 09:44:41 PM
Phantaria is quiet, we need more nobles.

Why not come join it? Big, chatty realm don't become big, chatty realms unless people decide to make them that way at some point!

There isn't necessarily a perfect correlation between large and chatty. I've been in relatively small realms that wouldn't shut up as well as in realms with almost a hundred nobles (back when BM had more players and no Dwilight) where you would hear noble 89 drop a pin.

I'm still leaning toward either D'Hara or Swordfell. That means I'm either stubborn or you from other realms haven't put in enough effort to sway me  ;)

I feel like I understand D'Hara, what it is. I'm not sure I can say the same for Swordfell so I'd really appreciate more information about life there. Don't ask me what, just tell me what you know  :)

EDIT: Right! I do have "a what". Religion! Is Swordfell all SA? What is D'Hara?
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Dishman on April 14, 2013, 10:14:53 PM
Swordfell is largely SA, but allows nobles to have their own faiths (so long as you don't preach or build shrines). Our ruler is a pagan that the church is very antsy with, as well as a few other religious pariahs that SA ain't too happy about are hanging around.

I guess the best introduction to Swordfell would be the wiki page http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Swordfell (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Swordfell). There is also the Swordfell thread where we vented quite a bit http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,3666.msg87615.html#msg87615 (http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,3666.msg87615.html#msg87615).

As far as life in Swordfell? Mostly fighting undead/monsters, rebuilding the area (which was basically uninhabited when we started), and trying to figure out what life in Swordfell is ourselves. I went from 11h/2p to 53h/17p in a Dwilight year or two, so I stress the "fighting undead/monsters" part more than the rest.

Oh, and watching Sevastian's and Bowie's antics. That may become the great Fellish pastime.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Shizzle on April 14, 2013, 10:40:24 PM
Swordfell might be the last place on Dwi with a frontier feel to it. I won't reiterate previous statements:)
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: JeVondair on April 14, 2013, 10:47:01 PM
As for D'Hara, a fine thread was started called "What Makes a D'Haran." The thread was started after Rynn founded that Tandareen council (named for an initiative called for by Ismail Tandaros) to answer that very question IG and update the Book of D'Hara on the wiki, which in and of itself is a great resource. That being said, D'Hara does what it can to stay OUT of war. that means lots of politicking, and the last election cycle was especially fun

The best part about both realms? They are not mutually exclusive. You can join one and switch if you find it not to your liking. Both realms are on very friendly terms.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Chenier on April 14, 2013, 11:25:59 PM
As for religion, D'Hara used to be like 95% Verdis Elementum, but that religion has since decayed and Sanguis astroism is the main faith now. There's a few of lurian faiths, like Aether Pyrism I think.

The realm is religiously open, but sovereignty of the lords is quite a big deal, so nobody gets to do any preaching without permission though.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Dante Silverfire on April 14, 2013, 11:43:21 PM
Basically I'm hoping to find a fun new realm with lots of chatter if that is possible. Not too big. So far my idea is Swordfell or D'Hara. What do you guys think?

I can't speak for D'Hara or Swordfell, but Luria Nova has a lot of chatter, and the playerbase there is one of the best I've ever played with in BM. The leaders are very responsive and focused on making sure the entire playerbase including the knights have fun and are valued. There have been perhaps 7 lordship appointments in the past two weeks for various reasons, and one thing Luria is known for is a very distinctive culture.

Of course, Luria Nova is one of the larger realms on Dwilight, however it doesn't function as most large realms do. The realm is very decentralized in terms of dukes having a large amount of influence and lords also holding a lot of sway in terms of how things go. It is possible that Luria Nova will split off into multiple realms soon, but that isn't assured. In general, each duke tends to operate their duchy as its own individual realm, with duchy referendums and the like depending upon which Duke.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Ironsides on April 14, 2013, 11:49:32 PM
In my personal, extremely biased opinion, Swordfell is a brand new untamed, virgin realm, which means to you that you can not only build your character the way you want but you have the chance to build a brand new realm the way you want (with everyone elses ideas flying by) - that's the pro. The con is that it will likely be you, me, and Lord Enoch building the whole thing. Everyone else is contempt with their titles. They speak up once and a while but nothing substantial. That's not to say that they are bad guys, I like'em! But in terms of taking advantage of the HUGE opportunity that Swordfell presents us there really isn't a matchbook to ignite socially. I pray every night that the other players take notice of what they have and get active. Meh, they do what they can.

As for D'Hara, it has a great history/tradition, a great playerbase and a well established social system. I miss my days playing in D'Hara (and to be honest, but don't tell anyone else, I have been trying to transform the realms I've lived in to D'Haran-esque realms. And I mean that socially. We had tons of fun RPing together there. I guess I should say 'back in the day' because maybe only two or three of the original D'Haran players are still there. Those were my favourite times though). If they continued that social tradition than D'Hara is a plus plus.

As for religion, Swordfell is SA but not a theocracy. If I say more they will invade and depose me :/
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Tandaros on April 15, 2013, 12:14:50 AM
We're supposed to be friends!

That sums up Dwilight pretty well. ;)
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Arrakis on April 15, 2013, 12:44:22 AM
As Daimall said, do come to Niselur. Communicative and eager nobles are heartily welcomed and there is land to be had quickly if you're a proven noble. Republics will only smother you in needless voting and elections ;)

Surprisingly, the chit-chat has greatly increased in Niselur in the last few weeks. No doubt that the several new families we received have brought some freshness with them, and this trend we are looking to continue. The difference between prior and post rebellion Niselur is pretty large, and the political courses we are taking should even further increase this difference for the better.

The endless green lands of Niselur can become a cozy home, and the hardened steppe-warriors can teach you how to ride on the horseback with great skill. The realm theme is the ancient tradition of fielding as much cavalry as we can, and we pride ourselves in our riders, locally called, the Rinnon. Come and participate in the wake of the new rising power of the north! :)
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Chenier on April 15, 2013, 01:26:57 AM
I can't speak for D'Hara or Swordfell, but Luria Nova has a lot of chatter, and the playerbase there is one of the best I've ever played with in BM. The leaders are very responsive and focused on making sure the entire playerbase including the knights have fun and are valued. There have been perhaps 7 lordship appointments in the past two weeks for various reasons, and one thing Luria is known for is a very distinctive culture.

Of course, Luria Nova is one of the larger realms on Dwilight, however it doesn't function as most large realms do. The realm is very decentralized in terms of dukes having a large amount of influence and lords also holding a lot of sway in terms of how things go. It is possible that Luria Nova will split off into multiple realms soon, but that isn't assured. In general, each duke tends to operate their duchy as its own individual realm, with duchy referendums and the like depending upon which Duke.

Then again, the Lurias' biggest export is exiles. The southern realms are full of them!
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: cenrae on April 15, 2013, 02:19:14 AM
If you like D'Hara join the Farronite Republic as they are in bed with each other!
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Kain on April 15, 2013, 02:25:25 AM
If you like D'Hara join the Farronite Republic as they are in bed with each other!

I think you'll have to clarify a little. Pretty please.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Chenier on April 15, 2013, 02:42:19 AM
I think you'll have to clarify a little. Pretty please.

D'Hara's PM is married to FR's GG (Governor General).

Honestly, though, I find FR's ruler to be rather awkward. If I ever set up puppet states, I'll have them have GGs as my lieutenants. As, you know, the british monarchy does in the Commonwealth (for example, Canada has both a Prime Minister and a Governor General, whereas, to my knowledge, Britain does not have a GG, but only the queen).

Both rulers are elected government officials, though, and not monarchs. Any offpsring will therefore be very well off, but not a heir.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Tandaros on April 15, 2013, 02:49:18 AM
D'Hara's PM is married to FR's GG (Governor General).

Honestly, though, I find FR's ruler to be rather awkward. If I ever set up puppet states, I'll have them have GGs as my lieutenants. As, you know, the british monarchy does in the Commonwealth (for example, Canada has both a Prime Minister and a Governor General, whereas, to my knowledge, Britain does not have a GG, but only the queen).

Both rulers are elected government officials, though, and not monarchs. Any offpsring will therefore be very well off, but not a heir.

The D'Haran system of government seems to be more Roman than British to me. Great families of Rome had to work hard to maintain their family prestige, and lost it quite easily, which seems to happen often in the D'Haran clusterbleep.

There is still wide recognition to name though. We are based pretty heavily on personal ties. I think the amount of loyalty a JeVondair/Kye lovechild would command in our neighborhood would be a pretty mighty claim to something mighty.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Chenier on April 15, 2013, 03:07:21 AM
The D'Haran system of government seems to be more Roman than British to me. Great families of Rome had to work hard to maintain their family prestige, and lost it quite easily, which seems to happen often in the D'Haran clusterbleep.

There is still wide recognition to name though. We are based pretty heavily on personal ties. I think the amount of loyalty a JeVondair/Kye lovechild would command in our neighborhood would be a pretty mighty claim to something mighty.

Of course, when I reference the UK, I'm thinking the UK prior to the House of Commons actually getting any power. It's obviously a mix-mash of different time periods, though, the Magna Carta being of significant inspiration, as well as more modern aspects of it all.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: JeVondair on April 16, 2013, 10:34:26 PM
So where did the OP end up going?
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Kain on April 17, 2013, 12:23:37 AM
So where did the OP end up going?

Travel takes long on Dwilight, coming from Golden Farrow, but I shall join Swordfell soon.  If I do not enjoy myself there, I'll try D'Hara.

Thank you everyone for speaking your minds and aiding in my decision. Sorry that I'm so stubborn that I did not end up chosing a completely different one than the two I had in mind ;)
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Chenier on April 17, 2013, 01:48:21 AM
Stop by D'Hara on your way, and you'll meet your future Imperator. ;)

After all, D'Hara's Dragon King is about to get married to the Imperator's daughter.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Tandaros on April 17, 2013, 01:50:02 AM
Stop by D'Hara on your way, and you'll meet your future Imperator. ;)

After all, D'Hara's Dragon King is about to get married to the Imperator's daughter.

Yep, D'Harans are great bedfellows!
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Chenier on April 17, 2013, 01:58:36 AM
Marrying a D'Hara is so IN, all the cool people are doing it!

Maybe we should start a match-making guild...

No other realm has such a high density of royals or dukes! Top quality husbands and wives for the picking!
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Dishman on April 17, 2013, 02:53:14 AM
Huzzah! Even if you decide to leave Swordfell, you'll be joining our allies, double huzzah!

I look forward to working with you.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: JeVondair on April 17, 2013, 03:34:26 AM
Marrying a D'Hara is so IN, all the cool people are doing it!

Maybe we should start a match-making guild...

No other realm has such a high density of royals or dukes! Top quality husbands and wives for the picking!

Actually, that is a pretty interesting idea. I wonder how many people would buy into it? I mean, arrange marriages and marriage alliance were big deals back in the day which I feel has been sadly under-played on Dwilight. In fact, the only people I can think of besides Rynn and Khari who are married is that virulent couple, Jonsu and Sevestan.  ;D
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Lefanis on April 17, 2013, 03:51:00 AM
D'Hara: Paranoid (and justly so) realm in the middle of everyone, about to get ganked by super powers.
Swordfell: Unstable realm in the middle of two great powers, potential to be ganked at any time by said powers.

!@#$ those pansy realms, they don't even know what underdog means. Join Ohnar West  :P
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: egamma on April 17, 2013, 05:37:38 AM
D'Hara is a great "destination wedding" location! Centrally located, and we have thousands of miles of shoreland, so you have your choice of oceanfront honeymoon location!
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Stabbity on April 17, 2013, 05:46:28 AM
Join Luria, be on the winning team!
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Ironsides on April 17, 2013, 06:58:26 AM
...but I shall join Swordfell soon....

Yay, score one for the good guys! You will have fun so long as you want to play.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Arundel on April 17, 2013, 09:17:13 AM
Definitely a good choice. While D'Hara is great and all, Swordfell is an up and coming realm with huge potential. Being low on noble count still, any new addition will play a huge role in defining the generations that succeed them. The chance to write history is almost irresistible. On top of that, Bowie is an incredibly interesting/creepy/insulting/enlightened/you name it noble who's done almost everything and anything. Wherever he leads Swordfell, I bet it'll be good fun.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Woelfy on April 17, 2013, 02:18:41 PM
He's leading Swordfell straight into the ground.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Ironsides on April 17, 2013, 07:43:05 PM
He's leading Swordfell straight into the ground.

How about unblock my letters and see what I've been saying? You are allowed to participate, even though we don't like you. Or...you know, just leave.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Chenier on April 17, 2013, 11:52:03 PM
How about unblock my letters and see what I've been saying? You are allowed to participate, even though we don't like you. Or...you know, just leave.

Make him leave!

Trying to woo enemies always backfires. They must be crushed. Annihilated.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Kain on April 18, 2013, 12:22:45 AM
Make him leave!

Trying to woo enemies always backfires. They must be crushed. Annihilated.

I see someone has been reading his Machiavelli ;)
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Chenier on April 18, 2013, 12:29:48 AM
I see someone has been reading his Machiavelli ;)

Sadly, it's experience that taught me as much. I coulda spared myself a lot of trouble by actually listening to Machiavelli, though.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Ironsides on April 18, 2013, 12:59:51 AM
Make him leave!..

I'd get into a lot of trouble if I OOC banned him. Other than that, its a clogged toilet.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Graeth on April 18, 2013, 01:47:19 AM
Bowie is one of the best characters on the continent.  I imagine Swordfell is probably an interesting place with him having free reign there.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Woelfy on April 18, 2013, 01:50:55 AM
Rofl, Bowie is a dolt who is puffed up. Plenty of people realize it, hence why he has been shunned out of every kingdom he has step foot in.

Swordfell has limited time, I am glad to say.

Sevastian on the other hand, has limitless time in his stronghold.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Ironsides on April 18, 2013, 02:00:31 AM
Rofl, Bowie is a dolt who is puffed up. Plenty of people realize it, hence why he has been shunned out of every kingdom he has step foot in.

Swordfell has limited time, I am glad to say.

Sevastian on the other hand, has limitless time in his stronghold.


Bowie: "I sense inspiration for another play coming on. Quick, get my ink and quil!"

Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Dishman on April 18, 2013, 02:03:03 AM
I reiterate my previous point...

Oh, and watching Sevastian's and Bowie's antics. That may become the great Fellish pastime.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Woelfy on April 18, 2013, 02:10:18 AM
Bowie: "I sense inspiration for another play coming on. Quick, get my ink and quil!"

And another point as to why I have no respect for you as a player. Taking things said OOC and using them as ammunition for IC actions.

Weak. Sauce.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Ironsides on April 18, 2013, 02:11:51 AM
Bowie is one of the best characters on the continent.  I imagine Swordfell is probably an interesting place with him having free reign there.

Theme music from Shaft begins...

Who's the black private dick
That's a sex machine to all the chicks?
(Bowie!)
You're damn right

Who is the man
That would risk his neck for his brother man?
(Bowie!)
Can ya dig it?

Who's the cat that won't cop out
When there's danger all about
(Bowie!)
Right on

You see this cat Bowie is a bad mother--
(Shut your mouth)
But I'm talkin' about Bowie
(Then we can dig it)

He's a complicated man
But no one understands him but his woman
(Demon O'Dwilight)

I am sorry everyone, I could not help myself.  8)

And another point as to why I have no respect for you as a player. Taking things said OOC and using them as ammunition for IC actions.

Weak. Sauce.

I didn't say I was actually going to do it. Your mentality just had that ring of, oh I don't know, something I should laugh at.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Woelfy on April 18, 2013, 02:13:53 AM
If you knew my mentality, then perhaps you could speak of it. Ffs, you disgust me. I wish I could find a way to block you here as well as in game. Because, as you well know, it is YOU I blocked in game, not your character.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Ironsides on April 18, 2013, 02:16:34 AM
... you disgust me....

Why?
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Woelfy on April 18, 2013, 02:27:37 AM
Do you really need to ask that? Or are you really trying to play the 'innocent victim' card still?
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Ironsides on April 18, 2013, 02:46:20 AM
Do you really need to ask that? Or are you really trying to play the 'innocent victim' card still?

Yep.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: JeVondair on April 18, 2013, 03:23:53 AM
Theme music from Shaft begins...

Who's the black private dick
That's a sex machine to all the chicks?
(Bowie!)
You're damn right

Who is the man
That would risk his neck for his brother man?
(Bowie!)
Can ya dig it?

Who's the cat that won't cop out
When there's danger all about
(Bowie!)
Right on

You see this cat Bowie is a bad mother--
(Shut your mouth)
But I'm talkin' about Bowie
(Then we can dig it)

He's a complicated man
But no one understands him but his woman
(Demon O'Dwilight)

I am sorry everyone, I could not help myself.  8)

I didn't say I was actually going to do it. Your mentality just had that ring of, oh I don't know, something I should laugh at.

I need more of this in my life. And so does Rynn.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: dustole on April 18, 2013, 03:25:10 AM
And another point as to why I have no respect for you as a player. Taking things said OOC and using them as ammunition for IC actions.

Weak. Sauce.


Pot, meet Kettle. Kettle, meet Pot.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Woelfy on April 18, 2013, 03:29:39 AM

Pot, meet Kettle. Kettle, meet Pot.

Lulz. That is just comical Dustole. Com. Ic. Al.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Feylonis on April 18, 2013, 03:38:19 AM

Pot, meet Kettle. Kettle, meet Pot.
But they are so alike! How do I tell them apart?
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Ironsides on April 18, 2013, 03:40:07 AM
I wasn't being a dick. How come you're disgusted? Start from the beginning, from your POV.

If you aren't having fun that's not cool.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Dishman on April 18, 2013, 03:49:22 AM
But they are so alike! How do I tell them apart?

One of them is grim and Lurian in his stubborn hatred...the other is mercurial and rogue in his stubborn hatred.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Anaris on April 18, 2013, 03:51:21 AM
I wasn't being a dick. How come you're disgusted? Start from the beginning, from your POV.

If you aren't having fun that's not cool.

Is this really the first time you've noticed that you offend Woelfy on an OOC level with your disrespectful, sometimes disgusting antics?

I thought you just didn't care, because you'd have to be pretty oblivious to have not picked up on that.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Ironsides on April 18, 2013, 04:15:19 AM
Is this really the first time you've noticed that you offend Woelfy on an OOC level with your disrespectful, sometimes disgusting antics?

I thought you just didn't care, because you'd have to be pretty oblivious to have not picked up on that.

I'm angry too but I'm not disgusted with the guy.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Ironsides on April 18, 2013, 04:45:11 AM
Actually, you're right. I don't care. Woelfy was wrong from the beginning and if he is too dense to admit it then he is lost. I take joy out of ridiculing ignorance. Let him eat cake!
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: egamma on April 18, 2013, 06:07:44 AM
Moderator warning: there is no need to tell other players how you feel about them. Just stop talking to them.You know, find a new thread, make a new thread, etc.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Woelfy on April 18, 2013, 12:41:13 PM
... Just stop talking to them...

I've been working on that, as even Delvin can attest to. The fact that the issue is 'right or wrong' to Ironsides is a large indication that I do not want a single thing to do with him. Smh.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Ironsides on April 29, 2013, 04:11:15 AM

Sometimes I feel like Bowie has become Lando Calrissian and Swordfell is Cloud City  :P
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: OFaolain on April 29, 2013, 09:24:47 PM
Sometimes I feel like Bowie has become Lando Calrissian and Swordfell is Cloud City  :P

I am altering the realm... pray I do not alter it further.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Ironsides on April 29, 2013, 09:56:58 PM
I am altering the realm... pray I do not alter it further.

Huh? How do you mean?
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Anaris on April 29, 2013, 09:58:48 PM
Huh? How do you mean?

It's an Empire Strikes Back reference, mate.

Y'know, where Lando and Cloud City come from?
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Ironsides on April 29, 2013, 10:02:30 PM

Aa, check, when he said "I'm altering the contract..."

 ;D
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: cenrae on April 30, 2013, 01:25:13 AM
I got that right away.... :)
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Gustav Kuriga on April 30, 2013, 01:45:04 AM
Reminds me of the robot chicken skit...
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: JeVondair on April 30, 2013, 02:47:30 AM
Why is Swordfell coming apart? the order was "No Disintegrations!"
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Dishman on April 30, 2013, 04:26:08 AM
We had about 18 people, lost one from Mendicant, one or two from the DNS server problem (I assume), a few more to immigration, and now a few from Sevastian's last jibe against Swordfell.

The Divides are cursed, I tells you, cursed! Fun...but CURSED!
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Tandaros on April 30, 2013, 07:00:48 AM
We had about 18 people, lost one from Mendicant, one or two from the DNS server problem (I assume), a few more to immigration, and now a few from Sevastian's last jibe against Swordfell.

The Divides are cursed, I tells you, cursed! Fun...but CURSED!

The Divides... the political Bermuda Triangle of Dwilight.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Kain on April 30, 2013, 07:46:17 AM
We had about 18 people, lost one from Mendicant, one or two from the DNS server problem (I assume), a few more to immigration, and now a few from Sevastian's last jibe against Swordfell.

The Divides are cursed, I tells you, cursed! Fun...but CURSED!

You know it is going to be fun when you join a realm and the first thing you see is not a welcome but a disciplin warning from the judge to the duke of the capital for unsuitable language  ;D
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Shizzle on April 30, 2013, 10:13:41 AM
I might get a next character in the Divides. Luria is also on my shortlist, though.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Perth on May 01, 2013, 08:27:49 AM
I might get a next character in the Divides. Luria is also on my shortlist, though.

Is Luria still fun? I mean still maintaining its reputation?

It was always on my "dang, I really need to play over there once this character dies" list. But since its all unified these days is the golden age of Luria gone?
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Shizzle on May 01, 2013, 09:26:50 AM
Is Luria still fun? I mean still maintaining its reputation?

It was always on my "dang, I really need to play over there once this character dies" list. But since its all unified these days is the golden age of Luria gone?

I'm expecting Luria to break up again soon enough :)
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Anaris on May 01, 2013, 01:20:48 PM
Well, a) there are plans to split Luria up into multiple realms under the Imperial banner at some undetermined point in the future, and b) you know that the Golden Age of Luria was when it was all Pian en Luries, right? ;D
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Miriam Ics on May 01, 2013, 01:51:14 PM
The problem with splitting in more realms is that at some point one or more Kings will rebel as we saw happening.

It would be nice to have more tools to actually make this work better. Maybe go back to that discussion of Oaths and a few more good ideas I don't even remember where we had or where it is.

And I agree, PeL was the Golden Age of Luria.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Solari on May 01, 2013, 07:22:50 PM
Luria will split up when it can be determined with 95% certainty that it won't start eating itself again. So, maybe never. But it is an option, yes. ;)

Frankly, I think the major reason the infighting has almost entirely stopped is because it IS all one realm.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Anaris on May 01, 2013, 07:29:07 PM
This theory might make sense if 80% of the infighting that has historically occurred in Luria did, in fact, occur during the period in which "Luria" almost exclusively meant "Pian en Luries"...
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Solari on May 01, 2013, 09:05:18 PM
This theory might make sense if 80% of the infighting that has historically occurred in Luria did, in fact, occur during the period in which "Luria" almost exclusively meant "Pian en Luries"...

That's what I'm saying. It's largely occurred during the time of separate entities (ignoring the reason that PeL split up in the first place).
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Anaris on May 01, 2013, 09:14:58 PM
That's what I'm saying. It's largely occurred during the time of separate entities (ignoring the reason that PeL split up in the first place).

Er...I tied myself up in my own sentence.

I was saying that 80% of the infighting did occur within Pian en Luries. There were at least a half-dozen rebellions, secessions, and attempted regicides, as well as years of intra-realm cold war while Alanna was Queen.

Being all one realm is not the primary reason Luria's infighting has calmed down recently.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Miriam Ics on May 01, 2013, 10:29:01 PM
Being all one realm is not the primary reason Luria's infighting has calmed down recently.

No, is that a few players moved on. It's because everyone accept Arundel as Queen. We might see some change (or not) after Alice die...
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Chenier on May 01, 2013, 11:03:37 PM
The problem with splitting in more realms is that at some point one or more Kings will rebel as we saw happening.

It would be nice to have more tools to actually make this work better. Maybe go back to that discussion of Oaths and a few more good ideas I don't even remember where we had or where it is.

And I agree, PeL was the Golden Age of Luria.

While I like multi-realm empires, I wouldn't want to see it made any easier, because then it'd simply become the equivalent of a huge realm with multiple places to recruit from, higher tax tolerance, and overall less large realm penalties.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Indirik on May 01, 2013, 11:28:37 PM
I'm not a fan of multi-realm empires. They tend to lock up diplomacy pretty hard. You have only to look at AT to see the end result of this.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Arundel on May 01, 2013, 11:30:41 PM
a.) A Lurian multi-realm empire is nothing to worry about.
b.) A multi-realm empire also erects communication barriers, smaller, less organized armies, and again the potential to war itself to death.

c.) It's not going to happen any time soon, unless Alice dies I suppose.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Chenier on May 01, 2013, 11:36:06 PM
I'm not a fan of multi-realm empires. They tend to lock up diplomacy pretty hard. You have only to look at AT to see the end result of this.

AT has, AFAIK, a federation of many member realms of equal rank. There is no supra-national government or institution. Thus, it does not compare. It's just a big alliance, not a multi-realm empire.

a.) A Lurian multi-realm empire is nothing to worry about.
b.) A multi-realm empire also erects communication barriers, smaller, less organized armies, and again the potential to war itself to death.

c.) It's not going to happen any time soon, unless Alice dies I suppose.

a) To be determined.
b) Indeed, as it is. But should these restrictions be even partially lifted, then issues would arise.
c) As with all things, you can intentionally break it, but it's harder to keep it together.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Penchant on May 02, 2013, 12:59:40 AM
Quote
AT has, AFAIK, a federation of many member realms of equal rank. There is no supra-national government or institution. Thus, it does not compare. It's just a big alliance, not a multi-realm empire.
CE & Tara are the leaders.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Chenier on May 02, 2013, 02:24:06 AM
CE & Tara are the leaders.

De facto, or de jure?

There's a huge difference between "we are a large alliance where the big players tend to monopolize decision-making" and "we are a multi-realm empire and aknlowedge a supra-national authority", imo. From what I heard, CE's bloc seems like what Enweil's huge "empire" used to be: a coalition of like-minded states, mostly set up by Enweil, but not owing direct fealty to it, but rather cooperation due to friendship and common interests.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Anaris on May 02, 2013, 02:40:36 AM
From what I heard, CE's bloc seems like what Enweil's huge "empire" used to be: a coalition of like-minded states, mostly set up by Enweil, but not owing direct fealty to it, but rather cooperation due to friendship and common interests fear of the 800lb gorilla.

T, FTFY
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Tandaros on May 02, 2013, 03:10:56 AM
I thought the fear was of da Great Goat, not a 800lb gorilla. idk, I don't play AT currently, maybe it's a new beast menacing the clusterfrack.  :o
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Perth on May 02, 2013, 03:20:13 AM
I like how hard the multi-realm empires are to 1) create and 2) maintain. It makes them notable and really cool when they happen.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Vellos on May 02, 2013, 06:51:07 AM
I like how hard the multi-realm empires are to 1) create and 2) maintain. It makes them notable and really cool when they happen.

Bets on a Greater Terran of some kind being formed?
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Tandaros on May 02, 2013, 07:05:59 AM
Bets on a Greater Terran of some kind being formed?

What's a Terran?
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Vellos on May 02, 2013, 07:07:24 AM
What's a Terran?

The 5th theocracy as of a few minutes ago.

Just finishing up the details over the next few days.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Geronus on May 02, 2013, 07:18:50 AM
The 5th theocracy as of a few minutes ago.

Just finishing up the details over the next few days.

 :o
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Perth on May 02, 2013, 08:53:44 AM
Bets on a Greater Terran of some kind being formed?

Hm.... has an supra-governmental entity ever been formed over three realms with completely different government types? A pseudo-Republic, a Theocracy, and a Monarchy?


Man. This make's me realize how much therapy and daddy issues all the folks from the corpse of Terran have, the place has gone wacky.

Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Indirik on May 02, 2013, 03:13:23 PM
The Arcaean Empire on FEI has a monarchy and two theocracies.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Tandaros on May 02, 2013, 05:26:30 PM
Hm.... has an supra-governmental entity ever been formed over three realms with completely different government types? A pseudo-Republic, a Theocracy, and a Monarchy?


Man. This make's me realize how much therapy and daddy issues all the folks from the corpse of Terran have, the place has gone wacky.

The ex-kings chillin in D'Hara swear we have the best therapists. Pretty sure they log some serious hours couch-side with ol' Rynn.

I don't really see how a Greater Terran could happen since the old constituent states kiiiinda seem to hate each other a little bit.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Vellos on May 02, 2013, 08:43:52 PM
The ex-kings chillin in D'Hara swear we have the best therapists. Pretty sure they log some serious hours couch-side with ol' Rynn.

I don't really see how a Greater Terran could happen since the old constituent states kiiiinda seem to hate each other a little bit.

Actually, Hireshmont doesn't particularly dislike Phantaria and Saffalore. He dislikes Erasmus, who is in Saffalore, but aside from Erasmus, he's pretty chill with a divided Terran right now. He'd like to pull them closer together, but no need for a united realm.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Velax on May 02, 2013, 09:04:08 PM
The Arcaean Empire on FEI has a monarchy and two theocracies.

It's a Theocracy and two Monarchies, really. Coralynth is officially a Monarchy.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Perth on May 03, 2013, 12:35:46 AM
Actually, Hireshmont doesn't particularly dislike Phantaria and Saffalore. He dislikes Erasmus, who is in Saffalore, but aside from Erasmus, he's pretty chill with a divided Terran right now. He'd like to pull them closer together, but no need for a united realm.

Yeah, we're all cool with each other. We just all kinda wanna own each other a little bit deep down.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Vellos on May 03, 2013, 07:11:48 PM
Yeah, we're all cool with each other. We just all kinda wanna own each other a little bit deep down.

Form a Greater Terran.

That way we all own each other.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Tandaros on May 03, 2013, 08:56:13 PM
Form a Greater Terran.

That way we all own each other.

Hah, I see history repeating itself if that were to happen. If Terran broke, why remake it? Do something new yo.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Chenier on May 04, 2013, 03:48:25 AM
Hah, I see history repeating itself if that were to happen. If Terran broke, why remake it? Do something new yo.

Yea, there's a cool king next door. Maybe you can swear fealty to him and ask for a royal charter to govern your realm by?
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Indirik on May 04, 2013, 03:51:28 AM
Why would he want to swear fealty to Saffalore? ;)
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Chenier on May 04, 2013, 03:53:01 AM
Why would he want to swear fealty to Saffalore? ;)

Saffalore can join in too, for sure.  ;)

Ofc, they'd end up being some sort of principality, and not a kingdom.
Title: Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
Post by: Perth on May 05, 2013, 12:37:40 AM
Ofc, they'd end up being some sort of principality, and not a kingdom.

Hey! We already have one of those!