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BattleMaster => Locals => East Island => Topic started by: Iltaran on March 26, 2012, 01:04:36 PM
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Laaaadies and Geeeentlemen.
The East Continent of Battlemaster is pleased to present a new middleweight war for your viewing pleasure! Battles will be fought! Insults will be thrown! Propaganda will be sprouted! In the blue corner, we have Westmoor, masters of the art of losing without pain and three time winners of the annual "worst military" award. And in the yellow corner, we have Fontan, one time powerhouse now reduced to a shadow of their former might.
These realms have met twice before, although neither time have they gone the distance. The first fight ended with Fontan withdrawing in order to focus on their title bout with Sirion, while the second was called off midway through by the match referee, Sirion. On the line is power, wealth and the heady prospect of slightly less sniggering from the rest of the world!
And remember, its never too late to place your bets.
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Yay! A war where no matter who loses, I'm happy. And no matter who wins, it's a shame.
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Here's Fontan perspective of the latest war.
Westmoor playing themselves as victim in the war, to try gain sympathy. I wont be surprised if Perdan or Caligus join Westmoor side against Fontan. Funny though they are the one who first broken the Cease Fire. I bet Gregor, the lone Westmoor noble who travel on Fontan lands recently, he got a big hell of a fright seeing Fontanese army ;D
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Perdan won't join unless another realm gets involved on Fontan's side. Or if CoI takes root in Fontan, as it appears to be doing.
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Sirion will stay out as long as her allies stay out of it. Some talk going on between Nivemus, OI, and Caligus at the moment. It will be intersting.
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I hope they both lose :)
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Aww, you meanies. I'll cheer you on, Fontan :)
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Here's Fontan perspective of the latest war.
Westmoor playing themselves as victim in the war, to try gain sympathy. I wont be surprised if Perdan or Caligus join Westmoor side against Fontan. Funny though they are the one who first broken the Cease Fire. I bet Gregor, the lone Westmoor noble who travel on Fontan lands recently, he got a big hell of a fright seeing Fontanese army ;D
Westmoor doesnt need to gain sympathy. Fontan never desired peace. Fontan used the ceasefire as an excuse to bide their time and build up their forces so they could attack Westmoor unawares. Westmoor simply beat Fontan to the punch as it were. Fontans refusal to accept any form of peace with Westmoor is well known.
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Westmoor declared war on Fontan not the other way around.
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Westmoor doesnt need to gain sympathy. Fontan never desired peace. Fontan used the ceasefire as an excuse to bide their time and build up their forces so they could attack Westmoor unawares. Westmoor simply beat Fontan to the punch as it were. Fontans refusal to accept any form of peace with Westmoor is well known.
That is stupid, its BM it is IMPOSSIBLE to build up forces over time with the whole damn continent being aware of it. That combined with a ceasefire that never progresses any further pretty much means Fontan was never really hoping to catch any one unawares, they were just waiting till they though they had the advantage in either military terms, diplomatic terms or both.
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Westmoor declared war on Fontan not the other way around.
And your posts on here do not match the !@#$ you're sending IC.
Forums: "Oh, we'll stay out of it as long as our allies do."
In-game: "SMASH WESTMOOR IF THEY GET NEAR OUR BORDERS!!!!11!!"
You are looking for any avenue to declare war, frankly. And I do not just say that because I can, I'm recalling past incidents where basically one thing has been said, and the opposite done. The two cases in point I recall are Fontanese infiltrators attacking Westmoorian nobles (one of whom was Malos at the time). What did Fontan say? "We'll punish them, that was not sanctioned by us." What was the actual outcome? Nothing. In fact I strongly suspect it was the opposite, a lot of back-slapping and hearty laughter.
Then there was that incident regarding those two Sirionite cavalry units which entered Westmoorian territory and attacked three of our nobles - Ravier included? Then proceeded to throw taunts around which were borderline as far as IC/OOC goes. Same story - "Not sanctioned, we'll punish". What is the reality? I suspect it goes along the lines of "Good job boys, come and be merry and laugh at those Westmoorian fools".
In other words, there's a whole lot of double-talk. Which is why as Ravier, I do not believe a word when you came to Westmoor City to preach about peace and ties. Talk is cheap, after all, and now the proof is coming out. I also would call into question why a retired General has been called back to active service. It may be nothing more than the fact there were no suitable candidates. Or it could be a prelude to something bigger.
Problem is, we won't know until it's too late, most likely. And at the moment, it's all hypotheticals and rhetoric, but I reckon we'll see Sirion getting involved before long.
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Westmoor and Perdan do have unfinished business. I wouldn't be too surprised to see Perdan help Fontan.
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Perdan has already offered Westmoor support if any others involve themselves against us. Westmoor under myself and Maedros have frequently assisted Perdan and warmed relations. Any issues they had were with Flaylen and probably Arica. One is inactive/left the game and the other is in Caligus. Westmoor is the ever loyal friend, child of Mother Perdan and Caligus. That is Jor's belief and my OOC stance as well.
DeLegro, how do you assume it is impossible? There are gradual increases over time that can very likely be overlooked or with the 2 week stats lag, can mass recruit in a short amount of time. Both options, combined with their diplomatic efforts ("Nivemus, they gonna attack youuuuuuuuu!!!!"), fit what has been viewed from Fontan.
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Perdan has already offered Westmoor support if any others involve themselves against us.
DeLegro, how do you assume it is impossible? There are gradual increases over time that can very likely be overlooked or with the 2 week stats lag, can mass recruit in a short amount of time. Both options, combined with their diplomatic efforts ("Nivemus, they gonna attack youuuuuuuuu!!!!"), fit what has been viewed from Fontan.
What did I say, did I say a SUDDEN build up, pretty sure I mentioned a build up over time. Also stats only have a 7 day lag. You can attack someone unawares by leading them to think you have a solid diplomatic relationship that you then betray. You can't build up a force over time against a realm that knows you despise them without them thinking something is amiss, unless they are all incompetent. Gradual increases do nothing here, it should be obvious to almost any decent military player when a realm is running a CS high enough that it is for more then just homeland defense. The question is then, what is that CS for. In order to really catch someone unawares then they need a plausible reason to 100% trust they aren't the target. Westmoor never had that as proven by their declaration. If that was Fontans intent, they basically completely ruined its chances of success by not making a better effort to secure a fake peace. Of course had they done that it might have had wider diplomatic implications if they later tired to breach it.
So to reiterate. It is impossible to build up forces over time without the continent knowing about it. You can try to hide it by doing so very slowly, but total CS is the realm give away anyway. You can mass recruit within the seven day lag, which is why I stated impossible to build up over time. Given the fact that the whole continent can know you are basically on a war footing it is reasonable to assume that if you have clear and prolonged diplomatic issues with a realm, it would be wishful thinking to assume they won't notice your build up and make their own preparations.
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And your posts on here do not match the !@#$ you're sending IC.
Forums: "Oh, we'll stay out of it as long as our allies do."
In-game: "SMASH WESTMOOR IF THEY GET NEAR OUR BORDERS!!!!11!!"
You are looking for any avenue to declare war, frankly. And I do not just say that because I can, I'm recalling past incidents where basically one thing has been said, and the opposite done. The two cases in point I recall are Fontanese infiltrators attacking Westmoorian nobles (one of whom was Malos at the time). What did Fontan say? "We'll punish them, that was not sanctioned by us." What was the actual outcome? Nothing. In fact I strongly suspect it was the opposite, a lot of back-slapping and hearty laughter.
Then there was that incident regarding those two Sirionite cavalry units which entered Westmoorian territory and attacked three of our nobles - Ravier included? Then proceeded to throw taunts around which were borderline as far as IC/OOC goes. Same story - "Not sanctioned, we'll punish". What is the reality? I suspect it goes along the lines of "Good job boys, come and be merry and laugh at those Westmoorian fools".
In other words, there's a whole lot of double-talk. Which is why as Ravier, I do not believe a word when you came to Westmoor City to preach about peace and ties. Talk is cheap, after all, and now the proof is coming out. I also would call into question why a retired General has been called back to active service. It may be nothing more than the fact there were no suitable candidates. Or it could be a prelude to something bigger.
Problem is, we won't know until it's too late, most likely. And at the moment, it's all hypotheticals and rhetoric, but I reckon we'll see Sirion getting involved before long.
I am surprised. You are on the spot. We did not have suitable candidates sadly. One without any military experience and the other with a very aggressive attitude toward anything. If Cimion did not lose his password and his email at the same time, I would still be preaching about peace and love.
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There's really no reason that Zakilevo couldn't still be preaching peace and love. Priests can be generals (at least on testing) and, as there is no real reason for Sirion to get involved in an affair that isn't theirs (and though we've had some allegiance swaying in the past, we've still betrayed far less than Fontan has) and Sirion has nothing to worry about from Westmoor as we are at peace and have no desire to war Sirion.
On the contrary, for how long has Jor been trying to improve relations between Sirion and Westmoor? Far longer than Fontan's been kissing up to Sirion, I'll tell you that.
Instead of trying to make Westmoor an enemy when it wants to be a friend, and Fontan a friend when it will always want to be an enemy, wouldn't it make more sense for the Republic to foster good relations between the two?
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Sadly, many people in Sirion are worried about Perdan. Even if Sirion becomes an ally with Westmoor, we all know one day Westmoor will have to choose between Sirion and Perdan. And we already know the answer.
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And your posts on here do not match the !@#$ you're sending IC.
Forums: "Oh, we'll stay out of it as long as our allies do."
In-game: "SMASH WESTMOOR IF THEY GET NEAR OUR BORDERS!!!!11!!"
You are looking for any avenue to declare war, frankly. And I do not just say that because I can, I'm recalling past incidents where basically one thing has been said, and the opposite done. The two cases in point I recall are Fontanese infiltrators attacking Westmoorian nobles (one of whom was Malos at the time). What did Fontan say? "We'll punish them, that was not sanctioned by us." What was the actual outcome? Nothing. In fact I strongly suspect it was the opposite, a lot of back-slapping and hearty laughter.
Then there was that incident regarding those two Sirionite cavalry units which entered Westmoorian territory and attacked three of our nobles - Ravier included? Then proceeded to throw taunts around which were borderline as far as IC/OOC goes. Same story - "Not sanctioned, we'll punish". What is the reality? I suspect it goes along the lines of "Good job boys, come and be merry and laugh at those Westmoorian fools".
In other words, there's a whole lot of double-talk. Which is why as Ravier, I do not believe a word when you came to Westmoor City to preach about peace and ties. Talk is cheap, after all, and now the proof is coming out. I also would call into question why a retired General has been called back to active service. It may be nothing more than the fact there were no suitable candidates. Or it could be a prelude to something bigger.
Problem is, we won't know until it's too late, most likely. And at the moment, it's all hypotheticals and rhetoric, but I reckon we'll see Sirion getting involved before long.
The truth about the journey to Bruck was that one of our armies was moving home from Kazan and the Marshal was posting the shortest route generated by the travel time simulator without studying it to closely. Some people took this opportunity to follow orders and try stir up a situation against Westmoor. They were massively scolded for this and certainly not given a pat on the shoulder for it. It wasn't very viable to give them a formal punishment as they had followed their orders to the letter.
I can imagine how it looks IC to Westmoor though
There are some people that hate Westmoor blindly in Sirion. This is for historical reasons dating back to the days when Wesmoor was founded. Occasionally they run for office on the program of destroying Westmoor, but they have so far lost badly. Current government actually likes King Jor and his administration quite well for being the first government of Westmoor ever who actually make any sense, but we know that Westmoor is Westmoor and they will likely not last and are feeling very nervous about the prospect of them expanding into a major power, the day their government changes next time.
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The truth about the journey to Bruck was that one of our armies was moving home from Kazan and the Marshal was posting the shortest route generated by the travel time simulator without studying it to closely. Some people took this opportunity to follow orders and try stir up a situation against Westmoor. They were massively scolded for this and certainly not given a pat on the shoulder for it. It wasn't very viable to give them a formal punishment as they had followed their orders to the letter.
I can imagine how it looks IC to Westmoor though
There are some people that hate Westmoor blindly in Sirion. This is for historical reasons dating back to the days when Wesmoor was founded. Occasionally they run for office on the program of destroying Westmoor, but they have so far lost badly. Current government actually likes King Jor and his administration quite well for being the first government of Westmoor ever who actually make any sense, but we know that Westmoor is Westmoor and they will likely not last and are feeling very nervous about the prospect of them expanding into a major power, the day their government changes next time.
Oh Ravier was talking about that incident. Now I remember. Yes. I got a letter from Thomas complaining about people entering a Westmoorian region. I gave those who entered Westmoor hell and that back fired badly because like Thunthorn said, they were just following orders. Thanks to the incident, there was some tension between the Red Dragon and Zakilevo which later become more significant when Marshal Ragnar refused to help Nivemus after I ordered him to. Now I am back to the office and ready to scold the RD even more! ;)
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Sirion, Caligus, OI, and Perdan are MORE than welcome to make a pact that ensures Jor remains on the throne of Westmoor for all time. He would have no complaints ever. >.>
Though seriously Zakilevo, I do understand your concern both IC and OOC. Though you have to realize whenever we hear that Sirion is threatening to attack Westmoor because Fontan whined to them (paraphrasing, though even OI has said that Sirion will involve itself if it 'appears Fontan will be destroyed' even though Fontan's said they'll never surrender), it doesn't foster closer ties between Sirion and Westmoor. Good ties with both Sirion and Perdan would ensure we remain at least neutral. And try to negotiate peace between those two realms.
You're not at all concerned if Caligius has to choose between Sirion and Perdan?
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Maedros gets no respect :/
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*pets* Your reign enabled the diplomatic improvements to begin to move forward. Though you being one of the poster children for the attacks on Caligus under Flaylen didn't really help issues!
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I have a good feeling my Hero is about to get some Blade in the Face syndrome as a result from this war.
I just bloody well know it.
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Isn't that the whole reason for becoming a hero? You should be happy. :)
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Its funny. I was about to move both of my characters from Westmoor to Dwilight. Then my Adventurer was captured by Fronen.
Two days later, they execute him.
To say I'm a little peeved would be an understatement. I do believe I will be staying in Westmoor for the time being. And I do believe this just became a family vendetta.
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Fronen? Do you mean Fontan?
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Why did Westmoor attack with 13 k CS against Fontan's 19k CS? I don't know how much gold can Westmoor muster but it will be tough to build an army that can match for awhile.
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It's Fronen versus Westmoor, what did you expect (We love you both, but it's so easy to make fun of those two Realms)
Don't be surprised if Fontan starts to stubbornly attack one fortified region in an attempt to break through for several months either.
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It's Fronen versus Westmoor, what did you expect (We love you both, but it's so easy to make fun of those two Realms)
Don't be surprised if Fontan starts to stubbornly attack one fortified region in an attempt to break through for several months either.
If they are smart, they won't dare to attack the cities. Probably going to destroy all the rural regions. Oligarchy is too big anyway. Better to starve the city.
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Why did Westmoor attack with 13 k CS against Fontan's 19k CS? I don't know how much gold can Westmoor muster but it will be tough to build an army that can match for awhile.
Attack?
Weren't they going for a picnic? Fontan just happened to be there.....
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If they are smart, they won't dare to attack the cities. Probably going to destroy all the rural regions. Oligarchy is too big anyway. Better to starve the city.
You are one great General of Sirion, do you know that? As I have one character in Fontan there, can I say this?
Stop giving away my realm strategy, haha ;D Just joking 8)
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lol. I will try not to discuss any strategy on the forum :)
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lol. I will try not to discuss any strategy on the forum :)
Well, that is your opinion. You may or may not state, is up to you. I do not want to be seen as controlling your hand to write all these great Sun Tzu military strategy book, you know? :P
As long as I no seconded whatever strategy you suggest we could or will be doing, I see no harm ::)
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Soething tells me Fontan will win this one.
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Who knows, by the looks of it they are trying to starve Oligarch. Pretty low, but smart :-\
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If you think that's low for them, you must not have been around Fontan very long
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They already have surrounded Oligarch in the past. Haha, what was I thinking... :-[
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Go Fontan go! Crush those Ibby-haters to the dust! ;D
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I hope Fontan descends into a huge cluster shiz...... that causes the entire continent to laugh at them and DIE after looting Krimml because they have to much gold to carry... Then I hope Sonya trips and scratches her knee! Take that Westmoor hater...
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I hope Fontan descends into a huge cluster shiz...... that causes the entire continent to laugh at them and DIE after looting Krimml because they have to much gold to carry... Then I hope Sonya trips and scratches her knee! Take that Westmoor hater...
LOL. I like the sarcastic remarks :P
If we all so hate each other characters to the bone, might as well hold a Duel to Death between every nobles of Westmoor and Fontan. Last noble standing after every noble die, win. That is my pipe dream for all you know ::)
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Sirion will stay out as long as her allies stay out of it. Some talk going on between Nivemus, OI, and Caligus at the moment. It will be intersting.
Not much really... As far as I see it, Nivemus is solidly on one side. But I won't say which side that is. Takes away the mystery. ;)
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Not much really... As far as I see it, Nivemus is solidly on one side. But I won't say which side that is. Takes away the mystery. ;)
Let me guess.. it's the "Watch Westmoor get destroyed and then fight over the remains" side, amirite? ;)
(And no, not being sarky. I actually believe that's a potential outcome to this war)
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Let me guess.. it's the "Watch Westmoor get destroyed and then fight over the remains" side, amirite? ;)
(And no, not being sarky. I actually believe that's a potential outcome to this war)
We are solidly supportive of one side, but that doesn't necessarily mean we will enter the war on one side or the other. And, hypothetically speaking, it currently looks like Fontan is targeting Westmoor's North Eastern regions first(Bruck, Greatbridge, Oligarch) which means there wouldn't really be much if any regions for Nivemus to take to get the spoils of war, especially if they join later on. Perhaps they would get one region if they did enter on Fontan's side. If they joined on Westmoor's side, still hypothetically speaking, the same thing happens as most of the regions are not touching Nivemus. Maybe they would get Oberndorf.
But this is all just talk as Nivemus has still a little expanding left to do Northwards of them. I'm just going to watch them pummel each other and enjoy the war right now. ;)
Edit: And it seems Fontan is having trouble anyways, if the past 36 hours are any indication. So who knows? Maybe it could turn into Fontan getting destroyed...
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Nivemus has Fontanese nobles within it, meaning it is highly supportive of Fontan... Plus if Nivemus did get in on it, Perdan would join in. ::)
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Nivemus has Fontanese nobles within it, meaning it is highly supportive of Fontan... Plus if Nivemus did get in on it, Perdan would join in. ::)
Once Perdan joins, Sirion can join as well muwhahaha.
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Once Perdan joins, Sirion can join as well muwhahaha.
Once Perdan join in, Sirion join in, Caligus may want a piece of action. Or a piece of meat to bite and chew on ::)
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When I was in Fontan I tried to encourage better relations with Nivemus. The overwhelming opinion of Nivemus was that they were a Sirionite puppet realm, and thus pretty much hated by almost everyone.
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Wasn't Sirion the reason why Westmoor agreed to give Krimml back to Fontan?
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Yes. At the time Fontan was under the protection of Sirion due to Fontan's surrender to Sirion. Fontan was obligated to give Ashmoor to Sirion to found Nivemus, and they had no other city. If Westmoor didn't give back Krimml, Sirion would have had to put the smackdown on Westmoor.
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What actually happened was that a Sirion noble with a wealthy family snatched Krimml back from Westmoor by buying it when it was without a Duke. It was then handed back to Fontan so we could get Ashforth.
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When I was in Fontan I tried to encourage better relations with Nivemus. The overwhelming opinion of Nivemus was that they were a Sirionite puppet realm, and thus pretty much hated by almost everyone.
Which is interesting, because Nivemus has made decisions which haven't been so popular in Sirion.
And, although Nivemus has Fontanese nobles in it, Westmoor had been founded by Caligus and Perdan and they later turned their back on both of them. Sometimes the apple falls farther from the tree than you would think... Just saying. ::)
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Yes, I hear OOC that they have broken away from Sirion. But as far as Fontan was concerned, they were a Sirionite colony that was carved from Fontanese land. Thus, they are beholden to Sirion. A totally reasonable assumption, I think, for IC.
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But this is all just talk as Nivemus has still a little expanding left to do Northwards of them. I'm just going to watch them pummel each other and enjoy the war right now. ;)
Edit: And it seems Fontan is having trouble anyways, if the past 36 hours are any indication. So who knows? Maybe it could turn into Fontan getting destroyed...
Yes, the conflicts between many characters in Fontan, General, Marshal, Judge and their supporters have threaten to change the course of war. Some General think he can issue private order as he pleased, he did not notice we are Democracy and we strive for council discussion, military has own military council. I am not part of the military council, so I cannot tell you much what is going on, except from the summary of what happened when they spoke realmwide ::)
Yes, I hear OOC that they have broken away from Sirion. But as far as Fontan was concerned, they were a Sirionite colony that was carved from Fontanese land. Thus, they are beholden to Sirion. A totally reasonable assumption, I think, for IC.
I seconded Indirik opinion which has not changed. Fontanese people think Nivemus as Sirion puppet, because IC-wise they say they are rebuilding a new Rancagua. Some people may view Nivemus as Fontanese puppet realm, but that does not matter to my character and my realm.
Anyone from Nivemus able to say how they view themselves as? :D
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Nivemus is sort of the rebellious teenage kid to Sirion who repeatedly tries to prove its independence by making less than well thought out decisions just to demonstrate that they are a separate entity...
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Teenage? Still young enough for the parent to beat! >.>
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Teenage? Still young enough for the parent to beat! >.>
So... the younger the kid the more appropriate it is for parents to beat it?
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When it misbehaves? A firm smack across the behind works wonders. You correct behavior as young as possible after all. Much like dogs.
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Smack that baby!
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Doctors try! Sadly it never sticks!
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The general Nivemus view of Sirion is that they are an overcontrolling Toddlers in Tiara's type Mom that want may want us to be their puppet, but to hell if we are going to be that. The general feeling is they don't give us near enough respect and only decide to consider us a sovereign nation when it is convenient for them. That is the general feeling, not necessarily my viewpoint.
And to answer the question: We view ourselves as a new, sovereign nation that is full of a melting pot of people looking to bring together the lands of the North. Some of these nobles are former Old Rancaguan members, former Fontan members, former Sirion members, and still others from other parts of the continent looking for a new life and adventure in Nivemus. We want to be good friend with Sirion and Fontan, but a friend of them. Not a lapdog for them to abuse. We are our own nation, after all.
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So much looting and so little fighting. You'd think with the large blob of troops Fontan gathered they would be more bold.
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So much looting and so little fighting. You'd think with the large blob of troops Fontan gathered they would be more bold.
Borrowing quote from Star Wars. "Be patient young Padawan" 8)
For the time will soon come when you will shape the fortunes of all... ;)
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Westmoor nobles are growing. Wonder where they are all coming from.
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Probably that... Bay12(?) forum post that's resulted in a lot of realms on various continents getting a wave of recruits.
http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,2303.0.html
Mentioned there.
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I believe you mean Fontan. Westmoor has gotten one or two new nobles whereas Fontan has gained 20.
When Gregor went into Greatbridge to fight the monsters I was actually on vacation and just chased after the report. The assassination attempt was cute since I didn't even notice till he was all better.
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60 nobles in Fontan. Just noticed it.
Have those 16 claners been deported yet?
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*glances* Doesn't appear so.
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60 nobles in Fontan. Just noticed it.
Have those 16 claners been deported yet?
Not all the claners will be deported, some will stay in Fontan
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Glorious, glorious combat! But apparently, I am a Saxon. Shock, horror! Who would have thought it?
/me flicks the sarcasm switch off.
Anyway, I'm still waiting for someone to take Ravier down for good. Come on, you know you want to. Put a bounty on him.. that witch of a Marshal of yours (I don't care to remember her name) put one on Gregor, after all..
Oh. And just for the record, to those of you throwing insults at my character - he's the firebrand of the family. Reckless and very hotheaded. A zealot, if you will. He's still in his prime though, assuming he lives through this he will one day calm down. But not any time soon, I reckon.
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I find it intensely interesting that it's been four years since the civil war and people still revile Gregor, even though what he did was one of the key factors that actually revived the democracy. And as I recently wrote to another old acquaintance he certainly did end up getting his way about the destruction of SoA and the rebirth of Old Ranc.
I suppose its time for him to realize his other dream of making Ibladesh a republic again.
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I find it intensely interesting that it's been four years since the civil war and people still revile Gregor, even though what he did was one of the key factors that actually revived the democracy. And as I recently wrote to another old acquaintance he certainly did end up getting his way about the destruction of SoA and the rebirth of Old Ranc.
I suppose its time for him to realize his other dream of making Ibladesh a republic again.
At this rate, you'll get your wish. Plus it looks like the master and his students are reviled indeed.
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Lol, now only I know Ravier is a Saxon. That is the most funniest thing that make my day 8)
I think the battle conversations apparently got heated. Some young hot blooded characters :P
My character Brock was not around when Gregor was in Fontan. So whatever I know of, is in Fontan realm history book. If history is written by victor make sense to you ;)
Hmm, Ibladesh coming back from dead soon enough. Couple realms looking over their shoulders, just a matter of time before the whole island implode ;D
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Lol, now only I know Ravier is a Saxon. That is the most funniest thing that make my day 8)
I think the battle conversations apparently got heated. Some young hot blooded characters :P
My character Brock was not around when Gregor was in Fontan. So whatever I know of, is in Fontan realm history book. If history is written by victor make sense to you ;)
Hmm, Ibladesh coming back from dead soon enough. Couple realms looking over their shoulders, just a matter of time before the whole island implode ;D
Yeah. I'm waiting on the evidence that I'm in a clan. ::) Though idiots like Harte are crying the same old party line: "Nothing to see here, move along".
But anyway, with there being a few members of Ibladesh still hanging about, they might well form such a realm on our ashes, if it comes to it.
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I sincerely doubt that Perdan and Caligus would allow any form of a resurrection by Ibladesh after fighting so hard to demolish them from the continent 8)
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No. Any hint of an Ibladesh resurrection would see a war declaration from Perdan almost instantly.
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If someone pulled of an Aix stunt, I would probably hound them out of the island, too.
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Perdan and Caligus shouldn't rest too assured, what they destroyed was a banner, the same nobles and the same regions are there.
Sooner or later, those realms from the south, will come kicking in to the north, and of course there will be the possibility that would be a 2 vs 2.
That is what i love about BM, everything is a process that repeat itself over and over.....with different color!
Peace.
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Like the endings of Mass Effect? Same things over and over but with different colors?
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Perdan and Caligus shouldn't rest too assured, what they destroyed was a banner, the same nobles and the same regions are there.
Sooner or later, those realms from the south, will come kicking in to the north, and of course there will be the possibility that would be a 2 vs 2.
That is what i love about BM, everything is a process that repeat itself over and over.....with different color!
Peace.
actualy it would be 3 vs 2, with Fontan suporting those southern realms. They have plently Iblandesh nobles.
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Fontan would have to beat Westmoor first. No longer a guarantee once the clanners get deported.
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So now I've heard not all claners will be deported. Even if they were, would only be 16, leaving 44 nobles.
Plenty left.
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So now I've heard not all claners will be deported. Even if they were, would only be 16, leaving 44 nobles.
Plenty left.
I dont know where you're getting that number from, but I'm pretty damn sure it's wrong.
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Depends more if he means characters or families.
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Nivemus is sort of the rebellious teenage kid to Sirion who repeatedly tries to prove its independence by making less than well thought out decisions just to demonstrate that they are a separate entity...
Which is much how SoA stood to Fontan - excepting that the pro-democracy party was also generally anti-SoA because of the manner in which it was created. I hope Nivemus turns out better or the war between Fontan and Sirion will have been for nothing.
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Yes, I hear OOC that they have broken away from Sirion. But as far as Fontan was concerned, they were a Sirionite colony that was carved from Fontanese land. Thus, they are beholden to Sirion. A totally reasonable assumption, I think, for IC.
I can only speak for Rhidhana and not the rest of Fontan's negotiators at the time of the surrender. To her Nivemus is not a Sirion colony, but rather a homeland for the Rancaguan people cleansed of the poison of old King High Guard and his cronies. She still visits Ashforth from time-to-time to trade supplies and is hopeful that in time the northern realms will heal the old wounds and resume their ancient friendship.
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I can only speak for Rhidhana and not the rest of Fontan's negotiators at the time of the surrender. To her Nivemus is not a Sirion colony, but rather a homeland for the Rancaguan people cleansed of the poison of old King High Guard and his cronies. She still visits Ashforth from time-to-time to trade supplies and is hopeful that in time the northern realms will heal the old wounds and resume their ancient friendship.
Yet High Guard (same character but renamed to Monte Cristo) is the ambassador of Nivemus.
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Yet High Guard (same character but renamed to Monte Cristo) is the ambassador of Nivemus.
Rhidhana's not aware of that :)
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Which part? :P
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Generally, I'd say the official unofficial policy on name changes is that from an IC perspective, they can be considered retroactive. That is, once you, the player, know that Monte Cristo was once named High Guard, your characters all know that the character was always named Monte Cristo, and everything that High Guard did, they know was actually done by Monte Cristo.
This is because name changes are not an IC tool to change your RP or escape from a bad rep; they are an OOC tool to change bad/inappropriate names into good/appropriate ones.
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I can only speak for Rhidhana and not the rest of Fontan's negotiators at the time of the surrender. To her Nivemus is not a Sirion colony, but rather a homeland for the Rancaguan people cleansed of the poison of old King High Guard and his cronies. She still visits Ashforth from time-to-time to trade supplies and is hopeful that in time the northern realms will heal the old wounds and resume their ancient friendship.
Monte Cristo(formerly known as High Guard, ruler of Old Rancagua) is the ambassador and Banker, but is not yet a Lord in Nivemus. And his 'cronie's back in the days of Old Rancagua were the Fleishers, the Flockharts, and the Cobalts, a clan that eventually grew out of control(ironically, they are more of a clan than any of the people supposedly are in Fontan as they were actually a family OOC... I think Flockharts was Dad, Fleishers was Mom and Cobalt was kid). They moved that power to Sirion, and eventually paid the price for their corruption(Erik Eyolf banned them. Nobody even protested).
Really, we don't have that many Old Rancaguan characters there. We have Neji, Monte Cristo, Talius, and Olaf and that's about it. The rest are either additions from Sirion, Fontan, or other realms.
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Generally, I'd say the official unofficial policy on name changes is that from an IC perspective, they can be considered retroactive. That is, once you, the player, know that Monte Cristo was once named High Guard, your characters all know that the character was always named Monte Cristo, and everything that High Guard did, they know was actually done by Monte Cristo.
This is because name changes are not an IC tool to change your RP or escape from a bad rep; they are an OOC tool to change bad/inappropriate names into good/appropriate ones.
On the other hand foreign nobility are foreign nobility, and the particulars of their lives and true names may or may not be known further afield - especially to latter generations.
Merlin: STAND BACK! Be silent! Be still!
Merlin: That's it... and look upon this moment. Savor it! Rejoice with great gladness! Great gladness! Remember it always, for you are joined by it. You are One, under the stars. Remember it well, then... this night, this great victory. So that in the years ahead, you can say, 'I was there that night, with Arthur, the King!' For it is the doom of men that they forget.
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Really, we don't have that many Old Rancaguan characters there. We have Neji, Monte Cristo, Talius, and Olaf and that's about it. The rest are either additions from Sirion, Fontan, or other realms.
I could see if Boeth had any kids while in the North =p But I rather like the Giselle and Gregor dynamics of mistrust and devotion.
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Finally it begins. Caligus join in Westmoor versus Fontan war :o
War! (5 hours, 17 minutes ago)
Caligus has declared war on us!
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Finally it begins. Caligus join in Westmoor versus Fontan war :o
War! (5 hours, 17 minutes ago)
Caligus has declared war on us!
By the third time as well! ;D
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Only the third?
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Wait, isn't Perdan going to war with Caligus for breaking the 1v1 war? No? This is SHOCKING news! /end_sarcasm... Ah, Hypocrites. ::)
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Wait, isn't Perdan going to war with Caligus for breaking the 1v1 war? No? This is SHOCKING news! /end_sarcasm... Ah, Hypocrites. ::)
Well Caligus kicked Perdan's ass once. Perdan is still going through the hip reconstruction surgery. Have to be careful...
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This is madness, this is Caligus! 8)
I do not remember when I first had character in Fontan that Caligus ever fight a war honorably 1 on 1. What I read was from historybook on Battlemaster Wikipedia. How Caligus overran their long time nemesis Yssaria 1 on 1. Maybe that is the only time ::)
Oh, well. Somebody try buy Oporto region from Fontan. All war tactics and strategy will be utilize to maximum effect. May the greatest War General and Strategist like Sun Tzu wins eh! ;)
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Caligus did not really fight Yssaria 1v1. I remember Perdan helping Caligus break Domus free from Yssaria.
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Wait, isn't Perdan going to war with Caligus for breaking the 1v1 war? No? This is SHOCKING news! /end_sarcasm... Ah, Hypocrites. ::)
Two problems with that.
1. Perdan and Caligus already warmed realms not to harbor Ibby leadership or their kin.
2. Fontanese nobles admitted in public that some Sirion lords were funding Fontan and supplying knights with troops, breaking the 1 vs. 1 war.
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Two problems with that.
1. Perdan and Caligus already warmed realms not to harbor Ibby leadership or their kin.
2. Fontanese nobles admitted in public that some Sirion lords were funding Fontan and supplying knights with troops, breaking the 1 vs. 1 war.
Well obviously they want to say Sirionite lords are funding them. If Perdan accuses Sirion of this and somehow make Sirion gets involve in this mess, they might have higher chance of surviving :P
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I wonder what Caligus will do if Sirion moves to protect Fontan. Would Sirion be willing to betray their one worthwhile ally to do so?
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Fontan's been living on borrowed time for a year now. Having the Aurvrandil clan move in gave her a brief blaze of old glories but I don't expect them to stick around for a real war, not unless they can have the realm to themselves, and the goodwill Basilius and Rhidhana tried to build with both Sirion and Nivemus has been left to whither by subsequent governments so help will be slim.
However Westmoor will prove as treacherous a neighbour to Nivemus as she has to Fontan so the prospects for a war which sucks in Sirion may be good once Fontan falls. As to whether Sirion finally learns to fight offensively though is another matter. I suspect a repeat of the Northern War with everything beyond the Sirion River falling but that splendid ring of fortresses keeping the southern forces at bay.
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The only excuse that Caligus has is opportunism, i don't believe on that garbage about 1v1, about other realm helping, etc.
The facts are that Westmoor were crying all over the ruler channel for help, they came to the forums to cry OCC as well!
What will they do? War every realm who harbors Ibladesh, then the War will continue forever! you can erase a nation (Lies just the FLAG) but no the nobles. Once a nation is destroyed those nobles make another stronger.
Is funny how Caligus comes with arrogance now, they have no merits in the EC, nothing of what they have have got them by themselves.
Come on, finish this quick!
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So, the war continues forever? Yay! That's kind of what we are here for. War. Strife. Intrigue. At least they are finding legitimate reasons to keep starting new wars.
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I think that the gangbang on Fontan is mostly an OOC thing, as in 'we're bored and don't have anything to do' and 'let's punish those clanners in fontan ICly'. The reason that there are ibladesh nobles there is pretty laughable as one has to ask himself why didn't caligus and co. invade fontan sooner then, and why did perdan specifically told they won't interfere as long as it is 1v1. Ibladesh nobles were there all the time, and there was no way perdan or caligus didn't know that. It is suspicious they are using this just now to trigger the invasion.
Also, one noble boasting that sirionite lords are funding fontanese nobles in their war with westmoor is not a reason good enough to join the war, because from what i know that is not true at all, and makes for a very slim interpretation of this not being a 1v1 war anymore.
To conclude, finger down for this gangbang. Thank you for destroying the continent.
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So, the war continues forever? Yay! That's kind of what we are here for. War. Strife. Intrigue. At least they are finding legitimate reasons to keep starting new wars.
All war all the time is just as unsatisfying as no wars ever.
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All war all the time is just as unsatisfying as no wars ever.
No...no, it really isn't. Trust me, I've lived through both, and no wars for ages is way, way, way more boring.
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No...no, it really isn't. Trust me, I've lived through both, and no wars for ages is way, way, way more boring.
So have I, and I find them equally tedious. Raise troops. March to Sermbar. See troops slaughtered. Raise more troops. Repeat ad nauseam.
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So, the war continues forever? Yay! That's kind of what we are here for. War. Strife. Intrigue. At least they are finding legitimate reasons to keep starting new wars.
No...no, it really isn't. Trust me, I've lived through both, and no wars for ages is way, way, way more boring.
Ahhhhh! and i hope some one comes and blow up the fuse on the Far East Islans as well!
Now, i hope this get interesting on the EC, and everyone joins in, i do not care if Fontan becomes a wasteland as sacrifice for a "Whole Continent Scale War"
Atamara's refit times are way too longer, and you barely see a Huge battle every 2-3 weeks.
Peace!
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So have I, and I find them equally tedious. Raise troops. March to Sermbar. See troops slaughtered. Raise more troops. Repeat ad nauseam.
Then a) maybe your realm lacks some of the RP/IC atmosphere that the long-term-war realms I was in had, and b) maybe your realm lacks the imagination they had to come up with other ways to attack (actually, now I think of it, that could account for (a) as well).
In my experience, a realm with some imagination and atmosphere can be extremely fun when in a war (especially when the enemy also has imagination!), and is still way more fun in peacetime than realms where everyone is just all about the numbers.
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Then a) maybe your realm lacks some of the RP/IC atmosphere that the long-term-war realms I was in had, and b) maybe your realm lacks the imagination they had to come up with other ways to attack (actually, now I think of it, that could account for (a) as well).
In my experience, a realm with some imagination and atmosphere can be extremely fun when in a war (especially when the enemy also has imagination!), and is still way more fun in peacetime than realms where everyone is just all about the numbers.
The internal atmosphere wasn't the problem: there's always someone in Fontan to pick a verbal fight with regardless of whether there's a war. However you could be right about the lack of imagination. My old character Moira had some success raiding northern Sirion, but the bulk of the military command was fixated on big pushes which won glorious but futile victories which frankly were just typical MMO grind.
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The internal atmosphere wasn't the problem: there's always someone in Fontan to pick a verbal fight with regardless of whether there's a war. However you could be right about the lack of imagination. My old character Moira had some success raiding northern Sirion, but the bulk of the military command was fixated on big pushes which won glorious but futile victories which frankly were just typical MMO grind.
I should note that I managed to become General of Fontan in late 2009 by pushing for more imaginative strategies, but when the Marshals of the realm all refused to actually implement those strategies, and the Judge (who happened to be more or less the leader of the orthodox faction) supported their disobedience, I stepped down after less than a month and left in disgust.
Since that time, Fontan has gone continually downhill.
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I think that the gangbang on Fontan is mostly an OOC thing, as in 'we're bored and don't have anything to do' and 'let's punish those clanners in fontan ICly'. The reason that there are ibladesh nobles there is pretty laughable as one has to ask himself why didn't caligus and co. invade fontan sooner then, and why did perdan specifically told they won't interfere as long as it is 1v1. Ibladesh nobles were there all the time, and there was no way perdan or caligus didn't know that. It is suspicious they are using this just now to trigger the invasion.
Also, one noble boasting that sirionite lords are funding fontanese nobles in their war with westmoor is not a reason good enough to join the war, because from what i know that is not true at all, and makes for a very slim interpretation of this not being a 1v1 war anymore.
To conclude, finger down for this gangbang. Thank you for destroying the continent.
You seem a bit sore concerning EC?
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Perdan would kick Caligus' ass any day. They were a LOT more instrumental to Ibby's destruction than Caligus ever was. Militarily at least.
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I should note that I managed to become General of Fontan in late 2009 by pushing for more imaginative strategies, but when the Marshals of the realm all refused to actually implement those strategies, and the Judge (who happened to be more or less the leader of the orthodox faction) supported their disobedience, I stepped down after less than a month and left in disgust.
Since that time, Fontan has gone continually downhill.
Moira was so disillusioned with the military command that she built her own alternative around the Bureau of Irregular Warfare. We never had more than perhaps half-a-dozen players involved, but mixing religion, smuggling and raiding in northern Sirion at least relieved the tedium and caused some actual damage.
I took a year out from late 2009 and when I returned the situation was much the same, only Fontan was considerably poorer and the end that much more apparent.
As I say, she's been living on borrowed time for a year now. The plug is about to be pulled and those of us who like the idea of a medieval democracy will have to find somewhere else to satisfy our fancies.
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You seem a bit sore concerning EC?
No, I just wouldn't wanna see EC becoming Atamara2, where one power bloc dictates all politics on the entire island. And this is what is happening right now, unless Sirion decides to stand up (which is probably very unlikely).
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I think EC will always generate a reason to war and hopefully never become as blocked as AT.
O I miss Oligarch the days the Orcs had power.
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The facts are that Westmoor were crying all over the ruler channel for help, they came to the forums to cry OCC as well!
"Facts"? No. I see an opinion there. One person's "crying" is another person's "positioning" or "posturing". That can be the nature of diplomacy and/or politics. In character, at least.
But, insinuating that an entire realm of players are whiners and crybabies is bad form, although I'm not exactly surprised. Did I cry or whine when I sent Tom an email expressing my concerns based on past history? Maybe, depends on who you speak to or how you look at it. I suspect now that Ravier and Viktor will pay the price for my actions outside of the game because of comments like the one bolded above.
I thought we were all better than that, no matter which realm we played in. I'm quite clearly mistaken. I was enjoying the IC banter and fighting somewhat until I saw that comment. Now it has hit home - this war is no longer contained inside the game at all.
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Fontan's been living on borrowed time for a year now. Having the Aurvrandil clan move in gave her a brief blaze of old glories but I don't expect them to stick around for a real war, not unless they can have the realm to themselves, and the goodwill Basilius and Rhidhana tried to build with both Sirion and Nivemus has been left to whither by subsequent governments so help will be slim.
However Westmoor will prove as treacherous a neighbour to Nivemus as she has to Fontan so the prospects for a war which sucks in Sirion may be good once Fontan falls. As to whether Sirion finally learns to fight offensively though is another matter. I suspect a repeat of the Northern War with everything beyond the Sirion River falling but that splendid ring of fortresses keeping the southern forces at bay.
I doubt Sirion ever getting that disturbed by other realms as you stated. Unless some inner turmoil develops and allows things to be shaken up. Those elves have got it good up there... haven't their borders stayed predominantly the same the pass 6 years besides a shake up or two in dale and tabost?
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The reason that there are ibladesh nobles there is pretty laughable as one has to ask himself why didn't caligus and co. [/i]...snip...[/i] Ibladesh nobles were there all the time, and there was no way perdan or caligus didn't know that. It is suspicious they are using this just now to trigger the invasion.
It was obvious from the start that if CoI got a hold in Fontan that Perdan and/or Claigus would go after them. Those two realms were going full-bore to wipe it out. I am fairly certain that I told the Fontan Assembly that if they allowed CoI to take hold in Fontan, that Caligus and/or Perdan would come after them.
invade fontan sooner then, and why did perdan specifically told they won't interfere as long as it is 1v1.
Umm... is Perdan intervening yet? I thought this was just Caligus. Maybe Perdan will get involved. They do need to do something.
Also, one noble boasting that sirionite lords are funding fontanese nobles in their war with westmoor is not a reason good enough to join the war, because from what i know that is not true at all, and makes for a very slim interpretation of this not being a 1v1 war anymore.
Who cares if it's true? As long as you can claim it's plausible, then you can make it a good case for war.
If everyone in the game saw everything logically, and demanded hard proof of everything, and looked at it all from an OOC logical viewpoint, then this would be a very boring game. Sometimes you just have to make stuff up. That how this last big bout of warfare started when Fontan broke Federation with Sirion/OR. Somebody made up some reason for war, and went for it.
To conclude, finger down for this gangbang. Thank you for destroying the continent.
Pfft... Sour grapes. Fontan should be trying to get Sirion on their side now. After all, Sirion doesn't want to see Westmoor expand. There is ample reason for Sirion to get involved, assuming they are not involved already. It only remains to be seen if Sirion has the guts to do it.
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Sirion better gets involved or a potentially fun war will be over in 5 minutes.
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Sirion better gets involved or a potentially fun war will be over in 5 minutes.
Doubt it. If I am elected it won't happen lol. Once Caligus withdraws and Nivemus finishes rebuilding, we might fight Perdan and Westmoor at the same time.
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Doubt it. If I am elected it won't happen lol. Once Caligus withdraws and Nivemus finishes rebuilding, we might fight Perdan and Westmoor at the same time.
I can live with that. :)
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However Westmoor will prove as treacherous a neighbour to Nivemus as she has to Fontan so the prospects for a war which sucks in Sirion may be good once Fontan falls. As to whether Sirion finally learns to fight offensively though is another matter. I suspect a repeat of the Northern War with everything beyond the Sirion River falling but that splendid ring of fortresses keeping the southern forces at bay.
Like we were to the Obsidian Islands? You know, acting as stewards for their land in the peninsula, repairing them, then returning them?
Westmoor never betrayed Fontan. Period. Any messages between Flaylen and Gregor and other realms were never sent to the other members of the realm. The Kingdom itself was told it was to prevent Fontan's outright destruction or something. Was a while ago, so I confess I don't recall the details, however it was played as worked out between Flaylen and Fontan. Gregor's actions were his own. Don't blame Westmoor for things he says or do.
From Westmoor's standpoint, we were the ones betrayed. It was Fontan who broke the Alliance, Fontan who declared war, Fontan who attacked our people and our lands.
And two monarchs later? It is Fontan who demands land, treasure, and frankly, power, in return for peace. All the while their number of troops were rising.
Westmoor tried to make a fair peace, but was rebuffed. Westmoor knows Fontan's always had plans to betray us (such information leaked during the tenure of virtually every monarch I've served with in Westmoor). If Fontan absorbed Westmoor, it eyes would have eventually fallen on Ashforth to "restore" their lands.
Flaylen betrayed alliances. Westmoor did not.
A King is the embodiment of a Kingdom until they are no longer King. As more information was revealed, Flaylen was protested out and no longer king.
The only excuse that Caligus has is opportunism, i don't believe on that garbage about 1v1, about other realm helping, etc.
The facts are that Westmoor were crying all over the ruler channel for help, they came to the forums to cry OCC as well!
What will they do? War every realm who harbors Ibladesh, then the War will continue forever! you can erase a nation (Lies just the FLAG) but no the nobles. Once a nation is destroyed those nobles make another stronger.
Is funny how Caligus comes with arrogance now, they have no merits in the EC, nothing of what they have have got them by themselves.
Come on, finish this quick!
Except your facts are lies.
Caligus (and Perdan) warned about harboring certain members of the leadership of Ibladesh and their families. If they don't do this, no one will take their warnings/threats seriously. Perdan was the one that mentioned 1v1, not Caligus.
Westmoor, being myself, did not "cry all over the ruler channel for help". On the contrary, I have said very little over the ruler list. Nor have we "cried" on the forums. We did, however, express concern about a clan in Fontan. A concern which was obviously backed up by the Magistrates, the Devs, and most importantly, by Tom. Also, it's OOC, for Out Of Character.
What will Caligus and Perdan do? Oh, I certainly do hope they enforce their anti-Ibby edict. It's the only way they will be taken seriously. Though mind you, they're not persecuting all former members of Ibladesh. Simply Ibby leadership (of the Church especially) . Their main goal is, mind you, to destroy the remaining Ibby temples to demolish the religion. This is something that they can very well do.
Funny is that Fontan claims Westmoor will betray Nivemus/etc... When Fontan's the one known for betraying and destroying many of their closest allies over the years. Get over yourselves :)
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I already said it, finish this quickly!
Then all those 50+ Fontan nobles will move somewhere (Sirion/Armenia/epo...something) and start over again, the most comical part is that Westmoor used to be a Duchy of Fontan, seceded after a back stabbed attack from Perdan, blah blah blah.. see my point?
Everything is the circle of the game, now my only concern... drinks coffee..is hoping for the war to be bigger, longer and entertaining.
Peace!
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I already said it, finish this quickly!
Then all those 50+ Fontan nobles will move somewhere (Sirion/Armenia/epo...something) and start over again, the most comical part is that Westmoor used to be a Duchy of Fontan, seceded after a back stabbed attack from Perdan, blah blah blah.. see my point?
Everything is the circle of the game, now my only concern... drinks coffee..is hoping for the war to be bigger, longer and entertaining.
Peace!
Um. First I've ever heard THAT story. What with everyone saying Westmoor and its regions were claimed in war, etc.
On the contrary, when the Duchy of Krimml defected to Perdan (when they controlled Westmoor), it was RETURNED TO FONTAN.
So either many old line Perdan/Westmoor/Caligus players are lying... Or you're really confusing duchies. I somehow think it's the latter. :)
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Then all those 50+ Fontan nobles will move somewhere (Sirion/Armenia/epo...something) and start over again, the most comical part is that Westmoor used to be a Duchy of Fontan, seceded after a back stabbed attack from Perdan, blah blah blah.. see my point?
No, Westmoor was a duchy of Perdan. It seceded peacefully, according to long-laid plans.
I should know; I was there.
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Ahh. Here I thought she meant Westmoor seceded from Fontan to join Perdan.
But yeah, it was a peaceful secession from Perdan to form their own realm, as was planned the entire time.
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I think Perdan conquered Westmoor from Fontan and then subsquently seceded it though. So... Fontan does hold claim to /all/ of Westmoor.
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So do the Oligarchians, the Ragusauceians (Both Old and original flavors!), etc.
Actually, as we were founded as the successor/restoration of Oligarch, we tecnically have claim on Oberndorf, Commonyr, Ashforth (which we have no intention of pressing), and Braga. In addition to all of our traditional territories.
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Well, you weren't really founded as the restoration of Oligarch (or else you would be governed completely differently) and Nivemus isn't really OR either, and if they were, they'd have to bring their claim back to the older rancagua anyway. The only realms who can historically claim (part of) your lands are Fontan (and Perdan).
Fontan gets to claim quite a lot though... :P
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I am not talking about claim (sorry if i am hard to get :P ), I talk about how twisted the history on BM is.
peace!
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Your history is wrong.
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Everyone wants to connect their realms to dead realms...
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Your history is wrong.
So is yours... You are nothing like Oligarch and have no ties to Oligarch except maybe one or two nobles and a city named Oligarch.
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Your history is wrong.
Which part is wrong?
So is a lie that Perdan created Westmoor after taking over the city from Fontan who was in charge of Duke Bassilus?
Sorry maybe i am comfussed.... and Westmoor just appeared there as an act of sorcery.
Um. First I've ever heard THAT story. What with everyone saying Westmoor and its regions were claimed in war, etc.
Huh?
On the contrary, when the Duchy of Krimml defected to Perdan (when they controlled Westmoor), it was RETURNED TO FONTAN.
Because the Duke of Krimml (was Alexis?) was supporting the Confederacy of Fontan, and he switched allegiance to Perdan, then Perdan banned him, and returned the Duchy because they got the city in an unfaithful way.
So either many old line Perdan/Westmoor/Caligus players are lying... Or you're really confusing duchies. I somehow think it's the latter. :)
No good sir, i may forget names, but i remember history.
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I'm not here to argue a partisan point, that's something I get enough of IC.
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For the record, Perdan did *not* return the duchy of Krimml to Fontan. We banned Alexius, and left the city to go rogue. Hilariously enough, a fontan noble bought it back before it could go rogue, but the militia (that were originally fontan but came to perdan with the swap) stayed loyal to Perdan. It took Fontan many days to clear the Perdan militia from the city. I documented it all on the wiki.
Also, Perdans entry into the war to take Westmoor was not a backstab. It was just really damned succesful.
Nor was Westmoor's creation a reconstituting of Oligarch.
And yes, I was there in Perdan when all of this happened.
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Um. First I've ever heard THAT story. What with everyone saying Westmoor and its regions were claimed in war, etc.
On the contrary, when the Duchy of Krimml defected to Perdan (when they controlled Westmoor), it was RETURNED TO FONTAN.
So either many old line Perdan/Westmoor/Caligus players are lying... Or you're really confusing duchies. I somehow think it's the latter. :)
My previous character Moira lived through all of these events and my recollection of them is very different to what you have been told. However what matters is you characters' IC knowledge, even if that leaves them at the mercy of the unscrupulous.
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Also, Perdans entry into the war to take Westmoor was not a backstab. It was just really damned succesful.
;D
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For the record, Perdan did *not* return the duchy of Krimml to Fontan. We banned Alexius, and left the city to go rogue. Hilariously enough, a fontan noble bought it back before it could go rogue, but the militia (that were originally fontan but came to perdan with the swap) stayed loyal to Perdan. It took Fontan many days to clear the Perdan militia from the city. I documented it all on the wiki.
Oh I remember that! That was strange, yet cool, how the militia would attack Fontan. Kinda cool game mechanic. :P
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Oh I remember that! That was strange, yet cool, how the militia would attack Fontan. Kinda cool game mechanic. :P
Considering Alexi's position that duchies should be autonomous it made perfect sense for his loyal guard to defend his rotting corpse :)
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Westmoor never betrayed Fontan. Period. Any messages between Flaylen and Gregor and other realms were never sent to the other members of the realm. The Kingdom itself was told it was to prevent Fontan's outright destruction or something. Was a while ago, so I confess I don't recall the details, however it was played as worked out between Flaylen and Fontan. Gregor's actions were his own. Don't blame Westmoor for things he says or do.
Are people still sore about Gregor's offer? Really? Apparently people don't know a thing about negotiations or diplomacy. Such is life though.
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Because the Duke of Krimml (was Alexis?) was supporting the Confederacy of Fontan, and he switched allegiance to Perdan, then Perdan banned him, and returned the Duchy because they got the city in an unfaithful way.
Alexi, an old friend of mine from Earth2025 I convinced to join the game. Great player. But yes, Alexi's joining the rebellion was completely planned, as was the early groundwork that Gregor laid through Evangeline for Perdan to join the war and take Westmoor. I think a lot of the background on that has been completely forgotten by people, or was never even known.
Alexi was supposed to stay in Fontan to drum up support for Gregor and as a royal he couldn't be banished. He would later do something with his golds or his lands to fracture it even further. His actual character plans were to form a third power and compete with Gregor for control, which was in effect a betrayl of Gregor his old mentor and ally. When he got banished by Perdan he rage quit. Really CoI might still have been around had things turned out differently.
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Alexi's swap to Perdan was total powergaming. He even told us that he didn't plan to stay, and the only reason he was in Perdan was to secede from us, because he couldn't secede from Fontan, Krimml being the capital and all. The allegiance swap was totally fake. Even if he could have seceded, it would have been epic fail. All his lords were Fontan loyalists and instantly swapped back.
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Wonder what would have happened if Alexi had decided to at least pretend to be loyal to Perdan instead :)
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That ... would have been interesting. A refreshing change from "don't mind me, just passing through, I will be gone in a couple days".
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When he got banished by Perdan he rage quit. Really CoI might still have been around had things turned out differently.
Is a shame, i love to see nobles with evil intentions, and in deep tactical revolutionary plans in game.
Peace
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I have evil intentions :D Infact my plan is that when I become a general, for the first time I'll be evil and actually use that kill rape burn option... To heck with honour... RP is best :)
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So the end is near for the world in year 2012? At least for Fontan, that is 8)
War! (14 hours, 10 minutes ago)
Perdan has declared war on us!
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So the end is near for the world in year 2012? At least for Fontan, that is 8)
War! (14 hours, 10 minutes ago)
Perdan has declared war on us!
I don't think it can last until December 21 though...
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Sirion should just jump in and make this a fun war for all sides rather than another gang-bang
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Sirion should just jump in and make this a fun war for all sides rather than another gang-bang
Well if Fontan had a chance we might have but they have no chance of withstanding for another two weeks.
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It's BattleMaster, war is inevitable at some point. Why not now? :P Solid logic, I say!
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It's BattleMaster, war is inevitable at some point. Why not now? :P Solid logic, I say!
Well. Jor and Nosferatu did provoke us with a false accusation. I am sure they will pay for that at some point.
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Sirion should just jump in and make this a fun war for all sides rather than another gang-bang
OOC considerations to make sure that as many people as possible has an optimum amount of fun IS indeed an important factor even if diehard roleplayers tend to frown upon it. Don't expect Sirion to do that much until the next election as Ilias is not running for reelection and I expect to see some candidates with different agenda run in the elections.
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I have evil intentions :D Infact my plan is that when I become a general, for the first time I'll be evil and actually use that kill rape burn option... To heck with honour... RP is best :)
What's dishonourable about that? They're just peasants...
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What's dishonourable about that? They're just peasants...
Animal abuse is still dishonorable. ;)
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Animal abuse is still dishonorable. ;)
Not during the middle age.
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Not during the middle age.
That depends on the animal.
Abusing a fox, a wolf, or some other random wild animal? How is that even abuse?
Abusing a fine warhorse or hunting dog? In some quarters, that's as bad as abusing a child.
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Not during the middle age.
Women were also considered chattel during the Middle Ages.
BM morality is similar, but there are still subtle differences. If enough powerful nobles say it's not okay, then it's not okay. It's all about what you can get away with, naturally.
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Women were also considered chattel during the Middle Ages.
BM morality is similar, but there are still subtle differences. If enough powerful nobles say it's not okay, then it's not okay. It's all about what you can get away with, naturally.
When I become General women won't exist cause of that kill rape burn option I will always use. BWAHAHA being evil is so fun. :)
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When I become General women won't exist cause of that kill rape burn option I will always use. BWAHAHA being evil is so fun. :)
Can't agree more. Being evil is way to go! We need more evil characters! In fact we should build a realm just for evil characters!
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You've already got Ohnar West, don't you?
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Meh. I want to make a realm which isn't afraid to go to war. Usually if you want to go to war without any justification, people stop you but if I can form a council with a bunch of aggressive evil characters...
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When I become General women won't exist cause of that kill rape burn option I will always use. BWAHAHA being evil is so fun. :)
Who says it's the women who'll be on the receiving end...?
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Armoured soilders vs peasant women breast feeding... Soilders win... meaning it seems obvious whose going to be receiving.
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Can't agree more. Being evil is way to go! We need more evil characters! In fact we should build a realm just for evil characters!
The problem is (and I've played evil characters/empires in plenty of RPGs over the years), all the "good guys" insist on teaming up to gangbang you. Either your evil empire needs to have some sort of advantage in locale that makes it impossible to siege, at least take a REALLY long time to break, or you need to be massive/with plenty of troops and nobles at your beckon call.
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Well I'll think about my evil strategies when I become a general (rulers take note) ;)
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Armoured soilders vs peasant women breast feeding... Soilders win... meaning it seems obvious whose going to be receiving.
WHOOSH!
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WHOOSH!
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Armoured soilders vs peasant women breast feeding... Soilders win... meaning it seems obvious whose going to be receiving.
Well it's the men and cattle who run around with chastity belts, so I think there may be something your soldiers aren't telling you...
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Meh. I want to make a realm which isn't afraid to go to war. Usually if you want to go to war without any justification, people stop you but if I can form a council with a bunch of aggressive evil characters...
For thTThe problem is (and I've played evil characters/empires in plenty of RPGs over the years), all the "good guys" insist on teaming up to gangbang you. Either your evil empire needs to have some sort of advantage in locale that makes it impossible to siege, at least take a REALLY long time to break, or you need to be massive/with plenty of troops and nobles at your beckon call.
For that you will need a location with one way road, specially some choke point with a fortress, and surrounded by sea, this will make the perfect super villain's lair.
To mind comes Avamar/Lasop, secede that duchy and keep the neighbor realm as friend, Neutral would be great so they cant let anyone circle you.
It has been a while since anyone have thrown 50,000 CS to walls.
Peace!
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To mind comes Avamar/Lasop, secede that duchy and keep the neighbor realm as friend, Neutral would be great so they cant let anyone circle you.
It has been a while since anyone have thrown 50,000 CS to walls.
Another Avamar realm or Sirion West/East realm? That city is quite a bottleneck in Sirion/Fontan war that time :(
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Sirion has a very defensible position. Truly geography favors them.
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But we can't expand too far :P Perdan and Caligus have access to good regions while Sirion's regions are less productive than most of southern regions.
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Sirion has a very defensible position. Truly geography favors them.
Indeed, Gods favor the chosen Sons and Daughters. Truly Elves is the Chosen Race, or Chosen One. Did I hear some whisper of a fallen realm being from Orc Race? :P
But we can't expand too far :P Perdan and Caligus have access to good regions while Sirion's regions are less productive than most of southern regions.
Sir Temple run a good tax rate I remember. I have a character previously in Sirion, May. She surely been forgotton by now with 1 year passby in real life since she been there ;)
Perhaps a good investment every now and then, couple with play around with tax rate will help. I have been used to 2 of my characters playing RegionMaintenance Master for quite sometime now :)
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Uh Sir Temple is a stronghold :P Stronghold blows.
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A rich stronghold should be created... Most strategic place to ever exist probably... Makes for a great capital :) It would be so untoppled for forever!
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I would actually like to see a Generic Fantasy Continent. A few wealthy stronghold/city hybrids, elves, orcs, trolls, etc. A big bad evil empire near the center, surrounded by mountains and highly defensible. Definitely could be fun!
Then again, I'd love to see a map of Europe ala Crusader Kings as well. >.>
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I'll let my daughter named City mate with your son named Stronghold. I want the babies name to be StrongCity.
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Generally, I'd say the official unofficial policy on name changes is that from an IC perspective, they can be considered retroactive. That is, once you, the player, know that Monte Cristo was once named High Guard, your characters all know that the character was always named Monte Cristo, and everything that High Guard did, they know was actually done by Monte Cristo.
This is because name changes are not an IC tool to change your RP or escape from a bad rep; they are an OOC tool to change bad/inappropriate names into good/appropriate ones.
Served as an escape for me once... Changed an infamous character of mine's name and jumped ship to another island. Worked fine until someone blew the cover :p
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When I become General women won't exist cause of that kill rape burn option I will always use. BWAHAHA being evil is so fun. :)
The option NEVER said you are raping women or only women.
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The option NEVER said you are raping women or only women.
You rape women -both young and old, men -both young and old, animals -any animal on sight, corpses -both fresh and rotten....
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The option NEVER said you are raping women or only women.
You rape patches of mud.
And that's where baby monsters come from.
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You rape patches of mud.
And that's where baby monsters come from.
Are you sure? I thought when a mummy monster and a daddy monster loved each other very much, they did something special and several days later the stork left a lovely ickle baby monster in a nearby dung heap :)
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Are you sure? I thought when a mummy monster and a daddy monster loved each other very much, they did something special and several days later the stork left a lovely ickle baby monster in a nearby dung heap :)
Its all so clear now! We just need to exterminate the storks!
EDIT: curses, now I'm tempted to RP one of my characters being convinced this is true...
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You rape women -both young and old, men -both young and old, animals -any animal on sight, corpses -both fresh and rotten....
Wouldn't that cause the population to grow instead? is not like they use protection in these times.....
peace
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Wouldn't that cause the population to grow instead? is not like they use protection in these times.....
peace
Ummm, rape by a conquering army generally ended in the death of the victim.
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Death by snoo-snoo.
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Death by snoo-snoo.
Or the viscous stabbing AFTER Snoo-Snoo.
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Its all so clear now! We just need to exterminate the storks!
It's probably easier to just burn all the cabbages.
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And that made me suddenly picture the mass extermination of thousands of Cabbage Patch Kids dolls.
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Ummm, rape by a conquering army generally ended in the death of the victim.
Taking exhaustion into account?
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I'm sure my men can take a few more minutes to rape a couple of women and kitties...