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BattleMaster => Locals => Far East Island => Topic started by: Gustav Kuriga on May 24, 2012, 11:46:29 AM
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Since there seems to be a lot of interesting rp going on in this realm, I thought I'd make a thread for discussing it. If someone would like to write a summary of what happened recently at the King's palace, that would be great.
My character, Sir Henzo, seems to have made an impression, negative and positive, depending on whose pov we are looking from.
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Sorraine is basically the most baller realm in the game.
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I agree. The recent events have been very interesting. Not sure what to do with Giskard though, since he lost the duel his shame is eternal and his egoistical and fanatical personality can hardly live with that.
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I agree. The recent events have been very interesting. Not sure what to do with Giskard though, since he lost the duel his shame is eternal and his egoistical and fanatical personality can hardly live with that.
More duels!
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Henzo is definitely up for duels.
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Throw a tournament and win to prove his skill with a blade!
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Throw a tournament and win to prove his skill with a blade!
That is after I cremate Giskard's now dead body from his suicide at the palace, and after I scold Selene for her obvious disrespect and banish Henzo for his treason.
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That is after I cremate Giskard's now dead body from his suicide at the palace, and after I scold Selene for her obvious disrespect and banish Henzo for his treason.
Nyuuu! Don't banish poor Henzo!
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Booo! Don't banish the poor guy. He stopped you from either getting killed, or flaunting the will of Sartan.
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The Far East map doesn't work properly for me (no realms), but I have a general idea where it might be. My crazy (half-crazy?) character might wander up there sometime. He's already traveled the map once. But he's only an advy still :/
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Try the Political Map. It's the old dynamic map. Better until they get the bugs worked out of the new system, IMO.
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Booo! Don't banish the poor guy. He stopped you from either getting killed, or flaunting the will of Sartan.
Regardless, he stood for someone who called his King a blasphemer.... in a Holy Kingdom...
That immediately makes him guilty by association, unfortunately.
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He didn't stand to defend them, he stood to stop the King from doing something wrong. Although I doubt Caspius is in any kind of condition to recognize the distinction.
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He didn't stand to defend them, he stood to stop the King from doing something wrong. Although I doubt Caspius is in any kind of condition to recognize the distinction.
This. If you guys read my second to last rp, I told Lady Maria this very thing... unfortunately, it was supposed to be posted before the suicide, but I didn't finish it till afterwards.
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He didn't stand to defend them, he stood to stop the King from doing something wrong. Although I doubt Caspius is in any kind of condition to recognize the distinction.
I would have to disagree. You stop someone from doing something wrong by telling them (verbal communication), with minimal physical interference (like Mathilda did.) Henzo, however, drew his blade and pointed it right at his own King, informing him he'd have to go through him first. His reason was inadequate, for if we look on the holy scale, I would think Caspius far outweighs Maria. That is defense, plain and simple :P. I see it as such both OOCly and ICly.
If Henzo isn't banished, he'll be punished one way or another.
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That is one way to do it. But not the only way. Especially if you dont think the other person will listen. Or you're an impetuous hothead. But yeah, he will need a punishment anyway.
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Pointing a sword at your king is rarely a good way to do it, though.
Just be glad you're not in Zonasa, though. Execution as punishment is back!
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Indeed, not the best way. :P
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Henzo would definitely have to be punished, but it doesn't have to be a banishment. I'd prefer to keep him around if only because he'll probably make things more interesting.
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Why on earth was somebody trying to defend Maria?
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He wasn't. He was trying to stop Caspius from dueling her. She won her duel and had been absolved of all crimes. It had nothing to with defending.
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I'd like to say kudos for kicking out Selene :p
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Mrh? Not following you with that one.
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That is after I cremate Giskard's now dead body from his suicide at the palace, and after I scold Selene for her obvious disrespect and banish Henzo for his treason.
Hm.. I guess just kudos for the scolding then >_>
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Hm.. I guess just kudos for the scolding then >_>
She offered to resign, which would make things easier but ruin the validity of my realm's claim (being Sartanian.) So scolding instead.
Henzo may or may not be banished, it depends on his behavior when I invite him over to answer for his crimes.
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I think scolding Selene isn't going entirely to plan :p
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I don't think scolding anyone so powerful in their own right, and twice as stubborn, would go quite as expected.
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She offered to resign, which would make things easier but ruin the validity of my realm's claim (being Sartanian.) So scolding instead.
Henzo may or may not be banished, it depends on his behavior when I invite him over to answer for his crimes.
If I ever get invited to answer for my crimes.
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Selene anticipates being ordered to punish Henzo and is prepared to give him a hefty fine - and she will then give him the gold to pay off the fine :p
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Heh. I'm familiar with how that goes, we had our Judge give one of our nobles a fine some months ago, then our banker turned around and gave him the money to pay it because he was one of our only traders. The only mistake he made was telling the judge he was doing this . . . now they have a feud going that makes being ruler interesting.
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Heh. I'm familiar with how that goes, we had our Judge give one of our nobles a fine some months ago, then our banker turned around and gave him the money to pay it because he was one of our only traders. The only mistake he made was telling the judge he was doing this . . . now they have a feud going that makes being ruler interesting.
Yeah, first rule of plotting - don't tell the people you're plotting against about your plot. My character was plotting against the realm she was ruler of for over a year and, even though her plot came to fruition and destroyed the realm, as she intended, no one else knows about it.
Mod edit: Fixed quoting -Indirik
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And now Henzo's killed one of the royal guards... he must have a thing about royalty that sets him off.
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And now Henzo's killed one of the royal guards... he must have a thing about royalty that sets him off.
They are only 'royal guards' in your view ;), I'll post an RP on that when I wake up. Also, I will invite Hendrick, but I am in the middle of reforming the church, creating common law, and constructing my amazing super cool awesome royal palace. Not to mention all the murder outside my study....
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Sorraine has to be the best realm I've ever been a part of, RP-wise.
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Sorraine has to be the best realm I've ever been a part of, RP-wise.
The sad thing is that all realms used to be like this in terms of RP. I like to think that the balance in Sorraine at the moment is just right - not so many RPs that people are swamped with them (like they used to be back in 05 and 06 - I used to routinely log into 100 messages) but enough that the realm doesn't stay too quiet either :)
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Sorraine has to be the best realm I've ever been a part of, RP-wise.
I hope we can keep this sort of thing up for awhile. No wars going on? Just roleplay wacky Sartanian antics in the palace.
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I hope we can keep this sort of thing up for awhile. No wars going on? Just roleplay wacky Sartanian antics in the palace.
It was my goal, ever since I wanted to be a ruler back in Dwilight, to have a realm that keeps things going whether in war or not. Though I think some of the RPs lately could have been considered a little spam-like, it should balance out with coronation and feasts. Feasts will be hosted at least once every IC season, so every 21 days, and perhaps some 'Holy days' could be RPed. Maybe something like a giant mass at the temple in Ossaet.
I also want to set up a foundation for inheritances and perhaps some inter-realm feuding that does not compromise the entire realm. Like in Ossaet, since its now CoS headquarters, to inherit the city - should Jatha die or abscond - you must be a priest of Sartan. This makes it an Archbishopric, and no longer a duchy. This system could then lead to inter-realm feuding.
Example: (Since its an elective system, considering no one has sons or daughters of age) Duchess Taylin names Lendin heir to the duchy of Akanos. Ciann, who's not to happy about that, could either try getting on Talyin's good side by meeting with her and getting to know her. Or, she could try making Lendin look bad by sabotaging his reputation, or even dueling him to the death.
Instead of everyone gunning for the rulership position all the time, including knights (which makes little sense), we could have people gunning for the next position in line. Knights for lordships, Lords for duchies and Kingship, Dukes the same as lords, while everyone guns for the council positions (considering they are separate from the direct hierarchy.) Kind of a Crusader Kings II outline, but something I wish to have.
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Kind of a Crusader Kings II outline, but something I wish to have.
CK2 is an awesome game but if we want Sorraine to be like it then we're gonna need more assassinations :p
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We can do that. We just need to have a good reason. ;)
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CK2 is an awesome game but if we want Sorraine to be like it then we're gonna need more assassinations :p
I could arrange that... ;D
Edit- damn, indirik beat me to it.
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We can do that. We just need to have a good reason. ;)
Do we have any assassins?
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Piss off the wrong people and find out.
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I just joined Sorraine (Sir Yarvik). Thanks for the welcoming words @King Caspius!
The RP is pretty heavy to digest, not knowing what's going on though :) I'll get into it
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Is it just me, or did Sorraine suddenly become lesbian central?
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Is it just me, or did Sorraine suddenly become lesbian central?
And why should this even warrant a comment? As a bi-sexual myself, I find it worrying if that was an issue at all.
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Is it just me, or did Sorraine suddenly become lesbian central?
Did you get lost and end up in Aenilia?
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Oh, get over it. This isn't a call for hate crimes. We just went from nothing to, apparently, two seemingly unconnected characters starting up the same things.
And, I don't want things going down the same path as the magical-wolf-riding, cookie-baking, tackle-hugging, anime lesbian schoolgirl duchesses of Aenilia.
I can deal with any topic as long as it's handled maturely. But I don't have great faith that the player base at large will do that.
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And why should this even warrant a comment? As a bi-sexual myself, I find it worrying if that was an issue at all.
So am I, but I think we should be mindful of the time period BM is set in.
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So am I, but I think we should be mindful of the time period BM is set in.
Hmm, the word "lynching" springs to mind upon seeing this post. Now that would make for some great RP! :P
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So am I, but I think we should be mindful of the time period BM is set in.
Yes, but this isn't Dwilight. And while I don't mind it IC, the forums are OOC.
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Is it just me, or did Sorraine suddenly become lesbian central?
I'm refusing to read anything that isn't either short or written by Caspius/Selene. What's going on?
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Hold one, I haven't seen *any* lesbian RPs. So what's everyone talking about?
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Is it just me, or did Sorraine suddenly become lesbian central?
Wait, is this not the lesbian character realm? False advertising!
Hold one, I haven't seen *any* lesbian RPs. So what's everyone talking about?
Belruel's RP touched briefly on her sexuality - which is just a facet of her character and won't be flaunted about.
Hmm, the word "lynching" springs to mind upon seeing this post. Now that would make for some great RP! :P
I'd love to see someone try and lynch Belruel. They'd find themselves missing a few inches off the top ;D
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So am I, but I think we should be mindful of the time period BM is set in.
Here are some interesting facts (http://www.oddee.com/item_96646.aspx) on that topic. Specifically to section 4 on homosexuality. I will quote a section of it:
There is, however, evidence of highly placed figures that were homosexuals. King Richard I (the Lionheart) of England was thought to be homosexual; it is rumoured that he met his wife Berenegaria while in a sexual relationship with her brother, the future King Sancho VII of Navarre. It is also reported that he and King Philip II of France were sexually involved. An historian of the time said they “ate from the same dish and at night slept in one bed” and had a “passionate love between them”.
Yes. I googled medieval sexuality. Get over it.
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I just joined Sorraine (Sir Yarvik). Thanks for the welcoming words @King Caspius!
The RP is pretty heavy to digest, not knowing what's going on though :) I'll get into it
No problem :P. On the RP, I agree. Currently, its a little hard to digest especially with the walls of text and the fast pace between characters. I'm aiming to implement something more moderated and much more manageable to participate in. What I could do is make message groups for different locations in the palace/feasting areas. The people in those message groups could interact with each other, and should they wish to move, they post their 'transitional' RPs (which I hope are brief) realm-wide so I can move them. This obviously takes some dedication from me, and perhaps some organization by the players, but a possibility. If anything requires the entire audience, or more nobles than a message group can fit, then it can be posted realm-wide as well.
Just brainstorming right now.
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Does not sound like a bad idea, I've never seen message groups used in that way :)
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By the way, player of Caspius, Henzo sent Caspius a personal letter a couple days ago.
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Here are some interesting facts (http://www.oddee.com/item_96646.aspx) on that topic. Specifically to section 4 on homosexuality. I will quote a section of it:
Yes. I googled medieval sexuality. Get over it.
Oh, certainly people had homosexual sex with each other in the middle ages . . . however, they probably didn't identify as homosexual as such (though there is some debate over this). Regardless, it was not generally well looked upon and didn't happen out in the open, since as that same section points out, it was viewed as being wrong and had strong punishments attached to it (though tolerance did vary from time period to time period and place to place, but to my understanding, it was never completely 'in the open').
My objection stems not from it happening in BM, but from how it is usually portrayed in BM. If you're going to do it, sure, but do it right.
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I usually avoid the subject in RP because it's tough to do right and invites more meta-conversation about the RP than it invites RP, but it seems to me that if you subtract the Catholic church, even your ignorant medieval noble is probably not going to care too much what his neighbors take to bed. A little bit closer to pre-Christian Roman views on the subject.
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Romans wouldn't really care who you would bed, it's all about the way you do it. For instance, the mouth is closely related to honour/speaking the truth. Let's just say you wouldn't want to be on the receiving end :P Someone on Reddit did an AMA on Ancient Sexuality recently :)
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I just came to Sorraine with one character and I like what I'm seeing so far. Actually, I just paused him so I could unpause my priest character from EC (who was a priest of CoI of course) that I wrote a couple really nice RPs for. I plan on bringing him to Sorraine to join the Church of Sartan. Could make for some interesting plot lines if he tries introduce the other three gods from the CoI pantheon into the Church of Sartan...
Unfortunately the game won't allow me to emigrate a priest, even though my religion is dead. I got an IG message that I would be returned to the Warrior class, but that was a lie. I'm still a priest. So then I tried to change classes and found I couldn't do that because I wasn't in my similarly dead realm. So I joined the realm whose region I am in. And now, of course, I can't change classes because I haven't been in the realm long enough. Stupid restrictions.
If any of these are bugs, let me know and I'll file bug reports.
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I'm thinking it's safe to assume that if the game told you that your class would be changed, but your class was then not changed, there's a bug.
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I just came to Sorraine with one character and I like what I'm seeing so far. Actually, I just paused him so I could unpause my priest character from EC (who was a priest of CoI of course) that I wrote a couple really nice RPs for. I plan on bringing him to Sorraine to join the Church of Sartan. Could make for some interesting plot lines if he tries introduce the other three gods from the CoI pantheon into the Church of Sartan...
Too late. We've thought ahead of time and made an Ibladeshian sect inside the Church of Sartan already :P
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Boo!
This will cause problems.
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Boo!
This will cause problems.
You just like stirring up trouble :p
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Too late. We've thought ahead of time and made an Ibladeshian sect inside the Church of Sartan already :P
Excellent. Then clearly we must work on spreading the word to our monotheistic brothers ;)
Now if only I could change classes, damnit...
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Those CoI people already lost their entire empire due to their weak gods. Don't let them contamiinate the *true* faith with their heretic ways.
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Was it our gods who failed us, or we who failed our gods? This is our chance to redeem ourselves in their eyes!
Seriously, this could be fun.
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Meh, whichever way, it's still a fail. We don't want to get any of that on us. :\
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Well, you know, their gods are our gods as well. The difference is that we only pay attention to the one who's actually good at winning battles.
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CoI will rise again in Sorraine? With a different main god?
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CoI will rise again in Sorraine? With a different main god?
So long as it remains in the CoS, its fine. If they make their own temple though... bricks will be dispensed out my rectum, and my sword up theirs 8).
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bricks will be dispensed out my rectum
Ignoring the question of why there are bricks in your rectum...ouch?
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Ignoring the question of why there are bricks in your rectum...ouch?
Caspius eats a lot of protein... and mortar. Something akin to bricks is formed.
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So help me God, if I see a rebirth of the Ibladeshian church, I'll go rampage again.
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So help me God, if I see a rebirth of the Ibladeshian church, I'll go rampage again.
If it is reborn, it won't be in Sorraine. I'll kill everyone of 'em.
My objection stems not from it happening in BM, but from how it is usually portrayed in BM. If you're going to do it, sure, but do it right.
Just to comment on this, as I went over the thread again, I completely agree. Madigan is doing a fairly good job at keeping semi-subtle. But I should note it was not the "time" itself that influenced the view, unlike it is today, but the religion. Sartanism is not Catholicism - or any other religion - and we have absolutely no clause on sexual orientation. I don't think any religion in the past that occupied Sorraine's territories did either, meaning it never engrained itself in the culture as it did in our world.
Also, love the topic for this thread.
If anyone cares for an update: Caspius is pissing on Ingall and his demands to reform their treaty of surrender. Ingall wants the conditions the claim on Sanzzos was granted by, but Caspius wants the treaty to remain the same so he can press it in war later. Not like it really matters, because claims have no conditions once they are given.
He's also committed defensive protection to Queen Arella in an attempt to sway her to the north a little more. The intent and purpose is to destroy the factionalization in the South, so in turn, we won't need it for the north.
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Upon joining Sorraine with my ex-Ibladesh character I found that many former Ibladeshians were in rather high positions, both in the realm itself as in the Church of Sartan. Perhaps a silent takeover is going on? Too bad I'm not invited to that party. 8)
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Upon joining Sorraine with my ex-Ibladesh character I found that many former Ibladeshians were in rather high positions, both in the realm itself as in the Church of Sartan. Perhaps a silent takeover is going on? Too bad I'm not invited to that party. 8)
Well, we do form a not insignificant portion of the realm's nobles... Given time, who knows? 8)
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Not too uncommon for realms and religions to reform while migrating. For instance, also on FEI, when Alowca looked like it was going to fall on the Colonies, their religion and hopes of a New Alowca came with the refugees who established The Trinity on FEI. After all the egos of Conan and company left, they were the last men standing in Soliferum; again stuck to the beating that their predecessor realmmates earned.
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Well, we do form a not insignificant portion of the realm's nobles... Given time, who knows? 8)
Burn the heretics!
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Huh... it seems interesting times are in store.
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If by "interesting times" you mean "Sorraine burning to the ground and the church going to hell in a handbasket", I agree.
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Far Eastern Annual Sartanian Implosion Festival
8/15 - 8/19
2007+
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It wouldn't be the church of Sartan if it wasn't in a state of perpetual crash. Makes it interesting. Better than perpetual stability and stagnation.
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It wouldn't be the church of Sartan if it wasn't in a state of perpetual crash. Makes it interesting. Better than perpetual stability and stagnation.
My god yes. I've been having so much fun (actually) sending Caspius and everything else down the !@#$ter. But now, as it seems, the intense and ridiculously raged moments have died out in a matter of hours, turning into a smooth transition of power and loss of life. All we have to do now is get Hosiel back.... hooray!
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Awweh, I was hoping others would join my migration to other realms!
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Some context, Caspius was talking to Penardin. I dunno what about.
Roleplay from Caspius Arundel (6 minutes ago)
Message sent to everyone in "The Church of Sartan" (40 recipients)
"I told you th-" he began, cut off by a sudden surge of unbearable pain. He tilted his head down, only to witness a blade pierced clean through his heart and dripping with crimson gore. His hands reacted and grasped the blade, with what strength he had left, before it was pulled out aggressively from behind him. As he collapsed to the floor, dead, Arke revealed herself from behind him, holding the blade.
"May your rest in peace, my King." she said mockingly, curtseying with a false respect for her cousin.
Eleven men soon filtered their way in between the throne room columns, five on each side between her and Mathilda, while the heavily armored one - Captain Nathandar - stood tall at Arke's side.
"I trust we are on good terms? These are the King's guard, under my command, and I would hate to see another Royal fall." she sneered, "Take what is yours, and I will go to Coralynth after visiting the temple here. Do a better job than my weakling cousin, and I shall stay out of your hair. Are we in agreement?"
Death to the King!
Long live the Queen!
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Aye. Sorraine enters its new chapter, while Arke makes a living of her own on FEI. Should she return to Sorraine, it'll probably be for the wrong/negative reasons.
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So, I log in and 115(!) messages waiting for me. 115? Seriously? Reading through them is like watching a slow motion train wreck.
Obvously, though, his was totally planned. Kinda ruins it a bit for me...
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At first I was really excited because I thought it was all going to be reaction to the death of Theuderik. Boy was I disappointed. That incredibly great RP seems to have been completely overshadowed by all this infighting and melodrama. Where's the outrage and righteous fury?! The heathens just burned one of our priests alive and no one seems to care! >:(
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I didn't get the sense that anything other than a confrontation after sacking the Order's temples was planned. Seemed like a lot of improvisation going on at the end.
As for the murder of the priest, it would've been a great firestarter had the fire not already been raging.
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Well, it could have fired up all these squishy moderates we seem to have floating about, but instead everybody got fired up at Caspius. "We're under attack! Let's blame ourselves! If we defeat ourselves before our enemy does, they don't get the win!"
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Theuderik was a newcomer. He hadn't really been around long enough for an attachment to form. Plus, he was an Ibby devotee of another god, and quite outspoken about it. While the refugees from Ibladesh are nice to have, because more nobles are always better, they were always the square peg. We are the Sartanians! Someone who pledged their life to Kokini? Meh...
Plus: bad timing. We already have the holy war with the Elders. So the murder of Theuderik was sandwiched between the fact the holy war has already been declared, and the potential schism in the church between Caspius and Selene. Theuderik just got lost. It's up to his buddies to make sure he's remembered.
As for the "planned" feel of it all, people outside Sorraine would not have seen the juggling lordships and duchy. Supposedly Caspius thought Mathilda was there to arrest him or kill him? Then why the orderly transfer of the lordship and duchy over to Mathilda? And why does Arke show up out nowhere to kill Caspius by a surprise sword in the back? What? Where'd that come from?
Maybe I just didn't understand the whole thing. The scenario just didn't seem natural.
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Theuderik was a newcomer. He hadn't really been around long enough for an attachment to form. Plus, he was an Ibby devotee of another god, and quite outspoken about it. While the refugees from Ibladesh are nice to have, because more nobles are always better, they were always the square peg. We are the Sartanians! Someone who pledged their life to Kokini? Meh...
Plus: bad timing. We already have the holy war with the Elders. So the murder of Theuderik was sandwiched between the fact the holy war has already been declared, and the potential schism in the church between Caspius and Selene. Theuderik just got lost. It's up to his buddies to make sure he's remembered.
As for the "planned" feel of it all, people outside Sorraine would not have seen the juggling lordships and duchy. Supposedly Caspius thought Mathilda was there to arrest him or kill him? Then why the orderly transfer of the lordship and duchy over to Mathilda? And why does Arke show up out nowhere to kill Caspius by a surprise sword in the back? What? Where'd that come from?
Maybe I just didn't understand the whole thing. The scenario just didn't seem natural.
Caspius granted her the duchy and lordship to ensure the succession went smoothly. He never planned to survive the ordeal, I think.
Mathilda came to the palace at Caspius' request, and she was told to bring a sword. He wanted her to kill him. Arke was also introduced to the scene in the roleplay before. It's kind of confusing to make out in the flood of letters, and there were a few crucial private ones as well. This wiki page has all the important bits: http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Arundel_Family/Caspius/The_Day_Sorraine_Stood_Still
So it wasn't really planned OOC as much as it was IC, on Caspius' part. I can't really blame anyone for being confused, but I hope some people enjoyed watching it unfold.
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I, as a player, can see why things were transferred. But as a character, I didnt think the RPs explained it. The character of Arke also seemed to come out of nowhere. When he arrived on FEI it was explained as an "ooops, I emigrated to the wrong island, leaving in two weeks. Oh, by the way, your religion sucks". Now here he is killing the king?
I understand *what* happened. I just have no idea *why* most of it happened. But it will make the future interesting.
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Caspius had been arrested and sentenced to die by the Sartanian inquisitors the day he was killed. I don't quite understand how the character of Caspius knew hew as going to die before the inquisitors got to him, but he did.
I also don't see (as a player) the purpose of having him murdered - it condemns the kinslayer and deprives Caspius of the closest thing to an honorable death he could've had.
I get knowing as a player that he won't survive it (or deciding that he won't and acting accordingly) but I'm not sure I understand wtf Arke was doing there, or why.
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I would have preferred Caspius staying alive. That would have led to a split and conflict. Now it'll be easy for Sorraine to regroup.
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I can say from the outside that I knew it was planned only because of how quickly everything went. Caspius sent one letter, Selene followed it up, and the next day his successor sent a letter. All the while some people moved around and a region changed allegiance.
It was too orderly. That's only an opinion from outside Sorraine though. I have no idea how long you guys tried building up to that.
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There has been some long-term tension between Caspius and Selene. There were also some events in the past two weeks, such as the sacking of Order temples, that heightened the tension. The complete explosion between the two, with Selene's exile, Selene calling for Caspius to be overthrown, etc., was a complete surprise out of left field. But then again, my character is no longer a member of the army in which this stuff happened, nor an elder of the church, nor part of the sooper sekrit inquisition society. Anything could have happened there. And apparently, everything happened there all the way up to the very last two or so hours.
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I think to anyone outside the highest circles of the Church or realm, it all came as a very sudden explosion. It was literally almost over by the time I actually caught up with all the letters and had a chance to start responding to events. I mean, I knew that there had been tension between Selene and Caspius, but they seemed to be getting along fine recently until this blew up all over everyone.
As for Theuderik, it shouldn't matter if his character was well known or not. A priest was murdered, at his own altar, in an extremely brutal fashion and his body was defiled. Holy War or not, that is a marked escalation. I find the lack of furious outrage as a result to be quite the let down, truth be told. I joined Sorraine specifically because of the Church and how it was advertised to be a religion-first, realm-second type of deal, but to be honest all of the dramatic conflict so far has been between the Church and the realm, not between the Church and other churches and it seems like at least half of the Church would rather make nice with other religions than play hardball. Some people are actually blaming Caspius for Theuderik's death...
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To be honest, I haven't had a lot of time to follow most current events. And for Taylin, who is not really an ardent follower of the faith (she's a political convert), there really is no reason to start calling Crusade over his death. She didn't particularly like him to begin with, and the holy war was already starting anyway. Why start reaching for the torches, when they were already lit and being waved?
Some people are actually blaming Caspius for Theuderik's death...
In a way, it is. Caspius, I understand, gave the order to burn the Elder's churches without any direction from higher up in the church hierarchy. That started the chain of events that lead to Theuderik's death. So if you're looking to not stat a war with Arcaea and the other Elder realms, then Caspius makes a good fall guy. Especially since he's already dead.
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Damnable politicians! 8)
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How *did* he kill the king? Duel to the death?
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How *did* he kill the king? Duel to the death?
How about sword in the back?
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Ah, infiltrators still exist on FEI???
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So if you're looking to not start a war with Arcaea and the other Elder realms...
Would just like to point out that Arcaea isn't an Elder realm. It's not an anything realm when it comes to religion, hence us attempting to stay out of this religious conflict.
Looks like at least one Arcaean Sartanian may try bring a case before the Judge seeking to punish Thain for Theuderik's murder, though. Likely because Thain RPed hanging Theuderik's charred skull from the walls of Nocaneb.
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It was role-played out, and then Arundel deleted Caspius. There were no game mechanics involved.
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I find the lack of furious outrage as a result to be quite the let down, truth be told. I joined Sorraine specifically because of the Church and how it was advertised to be a religion-first, realm-second type of deal, but to be honest all of the dramatic conflict so far has been between the Church and the realm, not between the Church and other churches and it seems like at least half of the Church would rather make nice with other religions than play hardball. Some people are actually blaming Caspius for Theuderik's death...
Thing is, we're still having a holy war, just that the person responsible for it happened to get punished (unfortunately). But nobody's trying to play nice - we're going to fight it out. What's more, I do think that the CoS is the most like what you describe on the continent and maybe even in the whole game world, maybe second to the church of humanity and my own religion which is still ramping up.
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I think to anyone outside the highest circles of the Church or realm, it all came as a very sudden explosion. It was literally almost over by the time I actually caught up with all the letters and had a chance to start responding to events. I mean, I knew that there had been tension between Selene and Caspius, but they seemed to be getting along fine recently until this blew up all over everyone.
As for Theuderik, it shouldn't matter if his character was well known or not. A priest was murdered, at his own altar, in an extremely brutal fashion and his body was defiled. Holy War or not, that is a marked escalation. I find the lack of furious outrage as a result to be quite the let down, truth be told. I joined Sorraine specifically because of the Church and how it was advertised to be a religion-first, realm-second type of deal, but to be honest all of the dramatic conflict so far has been between the Church and the realm, not between the Church and other churches and it seems like at least half of the Church would rather make nice with other religions than play hardball. Some people are actually blaming Caspius for Theuderik's death...
I wanted to address this letter as an address to all the other ones speculating (I've not been checking forums for... 24 hours.)
Hokay, so! Big message time! I'll split this into two sections: the first as a reply to the quote, the second to everyone else.
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Selene and Caspius were "seemingly" getting along, but were truthfully bottling emotions as to their respective actions. Selene's authority was represented through Azgath and Aeneas, the later being the largest thorn in Caspius' ass. The more angry and zealous Caspius got, the more Aeneas preached of temperance, peace, and tolerance/Ibladeshi power. Selene would usually step in and side 75% for Aeneas, and 25% compromise with Caspius. So as arguments continuously repeated this cycle, Caspius and Selene were growing weary of one another. This is of course biased, but generally how I felt as a player integrating into Caspius' character.
From there, Caspius changed the standings of OoE and Way of the Dragon to evil on his own prerogative, stating at the end "I have an order of Inquisitors at my disposal, let me use them!", and Selene accepted them and said "yeah, lets do that to defend ourselves." So, as the leader of the sooper sekret order (that made me lol pretty hard, Indirik,) Caspius ordered the burnings, thinking later that they were state sanctioned. Then everything went to hell; apparently, no one liked that.
To address the religion-first, realm-second ideal, that was my overall goal as a player and character; I've argued constantly on the side of religious wars, religious competition, religious authority, and religious intolerance on a continent-wide scale. Heck! My motto below this post is one of your quotes surrounding that very topic! But from what I saw in a good portion of the elder and full member base, it seemed we were throwing away the whole "we preach to the god of war" thing, taking up the "lets be pansies like everyone else" instead. I took it upon myself to stir things up and bring back a piece of our identity :).
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To the several other post concerning the "planned" feel, most of you are wrong. Everything up to Caspius' public letter to the Church of Sartan, outlining the charge of heresy against him by Selene, was completely spontaneous and unplanned. From there, Selene's player and I talked OOCly about the general direction we were going to take, which was "Caspius is going to die." Everything after that I strummed up on my own. Caspius intended to have Mathilda take the throne because she was the one who BURNED the temples down. He had hopes that she'd live up to his legacy and keep stirring up religious strife, since he was boned by Selene in every way imaginable. It was simply miraculous that Selene also wanted Mathilda on the throne. (Lots of private messages, if you want them posted, I can add them to that page that was linked (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Arundel_Family/Caspius/The_Day_Sorraine_Stood_Still)) Also, Caspius felt like he had no reason to live any longer. He felt Sartan beckon him to his death, and after his excommunication, that was pretty much sealed and done.
Selene's player shared some ideas around what he was going to do, but I didn't really tell him how I'd react. He wanted to auto da fe, but I was a priest so it didn't work. He then tried to brand me a traitor in the realm through a call for rebellion, and I responded (without any OOC notification) by exiling her. When I play the game, I assume the role of my character in a very personal way. I try to feel the feelings they would feel, and stick to the character. So Caspius felt OUTRAGED, and I reacted accordingly, regardless of any planning.
About Arke! Well, to those who payed attention to her intro letters in Sorraine, a strong image of rivalry and childhood hatred was displayed between her and Caspius. Arke disliked him a lot, and Caspius hated her even, but the latter respected the conduct of family, while the former continued to insult him. So I had that develop into a more dramatic intensity in order to highlight some key points around Arke's character (since she'll now be my FEI character.) Though I agree it was a very "that escalated quickly" moment, it was nevertheless essential to the plot I had in mind. Caspius NEEDED to die. That was my overall goal when this all started. He was going to keep on talking with Mathilda if Arke wasn't there, having himself offered a life on the Dark Isle even, and I told myself "Okay, so if Mathilda decides to kill me now, we'll run with that. If she keeps talking and pressing for his exile, Arke's gonna kill him." then boom, Arke killed him.
Yes, Arke was intended for BT (To help Norrel out with his religion, since I contributed,) but Norrel's character f*cked that up ICly by William ordering the inquisitors to kill him. So I had her stay after a long moment of hesitation on the matter (I also had a lot of ideas I wanted to add to the CoS theology that I found lacking, but Caspius WAS NOT the character for the job,) leading to the quick escalation. I felt it the only way to keep playing on FEI with proper cannon, instead of plopping a new character in and simply saying "Oh hey guys!" I'm also sorry for those who found it confusing; I didn't expect it progress so rapidly - everybody was online at the same time, incredibly - and it was tremendously difficult to keep track of everything as we went along. I tried sharing what was necessary between Sorraine and the Church of Sartan, but by the time... I had actual time to do it.... there was too much to share.
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Okay, done. Bedtime.... after I check battlemaster again.
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To address the religion-first, realm-second ideal, that was my overall goal as a player and character; I've argued constantly on the side of religious wars, religious competition, religious authority, and religious intolerance on a continent-wide scale. Heck! My motto below this post is one of your quotes surrounding that very topic! But from what I saw in a good portion of the elder and full member base, it seemed we were throwing away the whole "we preach to the god of war" thing, taking up the "lets be pansies like everyone else" instead. I took it upon myself to stir things up and bring back a piece of our identity :).
Yes, well I heartily approved of everything Caspius did (though maybe not what he said). I thought it was great. I makes me sad that the rest of the Church seemed so ready to burn him at the stake for it :(
What we need is an Allison Kabrinski... I would try, but I honestly don't think I have the requisite levels of ruthless cunning and demagoguery. Maybe I'll try anyway...
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Yes, well I heartily approved of everything Caspius did (though maybe not what he said). I thought it was great. I makes me sad that the rest of the Church seemed so ready to burn him at the stake for it :(
The Church of Sartan is a bunch of wimps who prefer ponies and roses over blood and steel.
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The Church of Sartan is a bunch of wimps who prefer ponies and roses over blood and steel.
I agree, although Hermik is a bit on the crazy side... Gotta temper that zealotry with base cunning 8)
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Having some sort of crazy, blood-thirsty church that declares religious wars on everyone simply doesn't work. It alienates your allies and gets you crushed by your enemies when they band together to fight you.
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Yeah, that's true of any entity. It is, however, possible to be both smart and aggressive.
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@Arundel: it was definitely an interesting turn of events. I'm not dissatisfied with the way things turned out. It just had this feel of "Things need to end up *here*, so what can we do to make that happen?" I.e you have the end of the story ready, and you need to write the middle so the desired end happens the way you want it. It's just a different philosophy than I go with, which is to start with a character, then react to what is happening, with no preconceptions of where I want things to go.
Anyway, it sounds like a lot of this stuff happened in the elders of CoS, so that explains why it seems so sudden, and out of nowhere. That probably contributes to the "planned" feel of it, too.
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A quick note on Theuderik;
I had run out having fun with him so I figured, with the "crusade" of the Order against the Church of Sartan, I might as well use him in a final RP that could possibly spark things up or at least shake some things around. It kinda got overshadowed by the entire Caspius-debacle but I think that in the long run people will remember. Okay, he wasn't a true priest of Sartan but he /was/ the former leader of the church of Ibladesh and many refugees, I hope, should not neglect this murder.
All in all it was just fun to RP this together with Stabbity. I also have his daughter being a lord in Arcaea to keep the "memory of the murder" alive if need be. It was a good way to get rid of a character that I didn't really want to play anymore, and basically was too old for average medieval standards (over 60 years, what? Magic!)
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Don't you worry, Arundel. When the Church of Sartan is purged from this world perhaps the One True Church, the Church of Humanity, will rewrite history and proclaim the sainthood of Caspius! >.>
And yes, I take a very early Christian Church approach to moving into new territories. Adopt and tweak what you can, ignore the rest. >.>
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Don't you worry, Arundel. When the Church of Sartan is purged from this world perhaps the One True Church, the Church of Humanity, will rewrite history and proclaim the sainthood of Caspius! >.>
And yes, I take a very early Christian Church approach to moving into new territories. Adopt and tweak what you can, ignore the rest. >.>
I like the sound of that. I've got an Arundel spreading the CoH on BT! May the holy light guide your path, or smite your infidel ass :P.
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Damn Facebook. Making me look for the "Like" button.
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Just to clarify, the reason everything kicked off between Caspius and Selene was because the elders had been discussing Thain's threat of a crusade, with a lot of people looking to avoid a war, when Caspius announced to the whole church that he was ignoring the elders and had made certain that a crusade would happen.
Selene then called him out on it within the elders for assuming authority which he didn't have and plunging the church into holy war without consulting with anyone and Caspius responded by taking it public within the church as a whole and calling Selene a weakling, etc, etc.
That's what led to Selene expelling him from the orders and he then tried to schism the church but messed up the mechanics by becoming a priest and then trying to leave the church rather than the other way round.
I then chatted OOCly with the player of Caspius and he was happy enough to RP as though Selene was excommunicating him (the game mechanics of him being a priest prevented her from actually excommunicating) and then Selene RP'd finding out about something Caspius did a long time ago where he massacred the Adgharists living in Ozrat - that was an RP Caspius did ages ago but the RP also included a cover up so Selene only found out about it from one of the soldiers who participated.
As murdering innocent people, especially children, is strictly forbidden by the Church, Selene then named him a heretic and called on the nobles of Sorraine to depose him. Then Caspius exiled her. Then Caspius got killed.
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Just to clarify, the reason everything kicked off between Caspius and Selene was because the elders had been discussing Thain's threat of a crusade, with a lot of people looking to avoid a war, when Caspius announced to the whole church that he was ignoring the elders and had made certain that a crusade would happen.
Selene then called him out on it within the elders for assuming authority which he didn't have and plunging the church into holy war without consulting with anyone and Caspius responded by taking it public within the church as a whole and calling Selene a weakling, etc, etc.
That's what led to Selene expelling him from the orders and he then tried to schism the church but messed up the mechanics by becoming a priest and then trying to leave the church rather than the other way round.
I then chatted OOCly with the player of Caspius and he was happy enough to RP as though Selene was excommunicating him (the game mechanics of him being a priest prevented her from actually excommunicating) and then Selene RP'd finding out about something Caspius did a long time ago where he massacred the Adgharists living in Ozrat - that was an RP Caspius did ages ago but the RP also included a cover up so Selene only found out about it from one of the soldiers who participated.
As murdering innocent people, especially children, is strictly forbidden by the Church, Selene then named him a heretic and called on the nobles of Sorraine to depose him. Then Caspius exiled her. Then Caspius got killed.
This was a missing piece of the info I was too lazy to type. Thanks :).
But in all fairness, you implied heresy charges; that was not the way to approach Caspius in any way. Still true though, that I sabotaged the entire thing to spice up religious warfare.
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I, as a player, can see why things were transferred. But as a character, I didnt think the RPs explained it. The character of Arke also seemed to come out of nowhere. When he arrived on FEI it was explained as an "ooops, I emigrated to the wrong island, leaving in two weeks. Oh, by the way, your religion sucks". Now here he is killing the king?
I understand *what* happened. I just have no idea *why* most of it happened. But it will make the future interesting.
I too was dreadfully confused by all of this. It seems shoddily contrived, and I'll have no part in it. Everyone talks about how great of a realm Sorraine is, because of all the roleplaying, but only a few rare moments were actually interesting to me; the rest was just garbage. It seems that random chaos and disjointed storytelling translate into "good literature" for a lot of people. Did the Nobility of the Middle Ages really behave like so many children in a sandbox? I mean, yeah, it wasn't exactly a bright moment for humanity, but there was some sense of decorum and reason.
It was also disappointing that my request to the Realm Council went completely ignored. When Sorraine left Cathay the night before the allied forces were to fight in Pates, Lendin, in so many words, accused basically the entire government (Caspius, Selene, and Mathilda) of cowardice and heresy (A true Sartanian never leaves on the eve of battle, or deserts a friend in need!). I guess they were all just too busy trying to figure out their own personal RPs to bother.
By contrast, Arcaea seems excellent, and I'm glad I joined! The people actually speak like Medieval Nobles, and there is *gasp* some respect for the hierarchy! Fancy that!
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I at least had a reason for my region leaving the realm. There was some good rp in Sorraine, but that's passed. The best RP I'm currently seeing is that of Mathilda and Selene. The rest I mostly ignore.
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Hmm... I wouldn't say the realm is that bad. I'm having quite a bit of fun there. Of course Taylin is a bit of a bitch, and rather seems to enjoy causing a bit of chaos. Unfortunately, Marshal Lendin Bendix was on the wrong end of one of those episodes. Nothing personal, honest.
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The best RP I'm currently seeing is that of Mathilda and Selene. The rest I mostly ignore.
What?! You ignored my RP?!
*Must stab!*
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Which character are you? *is not very good with memory*
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Which character are you? *is not very good with memory*
What?! He ignored your forum-post?!
*Must stab!*
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*dies of multiple stab wounds while trying to remember what he was thinking of*
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:P
Taylin, Duchess of Akanos. The one who had an argument with Marshal Lendin, walked away from his army, and declined the general's request that she return to the army.
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Oh, that. Yeah, I didn't notice. I've mostly been focused on the 500 bushels I sold to Topenah that I got from Ohnar West.
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I too was dreadfully confused by all of this. It seems shoddily contrived, and I'll have no part in it. Everyone talks about how great of a realm Sorraine is, because of all the roleplaying, but only a few rare moments were actually interesting to me; the rest was just garbage. It seems that random chaos and disjointed storytelling translate into "good literature" for a lot of people. Did the Nobility of the Middle Ages really behave like so many children in a sandbox? I mean, yeah, it wasn't exactly a bright moment for humanity, but there was some sense of decorum and reason.
It was also disappointing that my request to the Realm Council went completely ignored. When Sorraine left Cathay the night before the allied forces were to fight in Pates, Lendin, in so many words, accused basically the entire government (Caspius, Selene, and Mathilda) of cowardice and heresy (A true Sartanian never leaves on the eve of battle, or deserts a friend in need!). I guess they were all just too busy trying to figure out their own personal RPs to bother.
By contrast, Arcaea seems excellent, and I'm glad I joined! The people actually speak like Medieval Nobles, and there is *gasp* some respect for the hierarchy! Fancy that!
If you felt things were lacking, then you should have contributed ideas; I called for participation and ideas multiple times, but you offered nothing - save accuse people of heresy, like everybody else was doing at the time, except I guess the other accusations were just garbage anyways. On that note, Caspius ignored your letter because it was evidently tied to Garamonde's interests in Cathay. A true Sartanian never shies away from a battle, especially one challenged directly against the faith. A crusade was called against us, and we responded by regrouping the army. Cathay was not in need, as Arcaea's forces alleviated the Sorrainian burden of absence.
On a final note, I'm sorry we didn't make fiction novels that appealed to your tastes. I'd answer this more respectfully, but frankly, the tone in your writing isn't all that respectful.
Edit: I missed some things.
Where did people not "speak" like nobles? I have no idea what you're talking about here, especially when you tie that to proper medieval play. If you were there, then please, enlighten us with your experiences, but frankly, things were much worse and much less reasonable in the middle ages. People were hung all the time, Lendin himself would have been executed for heresy, and so on and so forth.
Respect is earned. Caspius evidently didn't earn the respect of many, through his anger and irrational behavior, making him a perfectly imperfect King. If you think everyone should follow some kind of standard personality and rule, then I think you have a twisted vision of this game. Caspius is nothing compared to Henry VIII, for example, or the many other mad kings. As a consequence of his behavior, there was little respect for the authority of the government in Sorraine.
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Did the Nobility of the Middle Ages really behave like so many children in a sandbox?
The nobility of the middle ages placed so much stock in rank and station that you would not really see the kind of lip given to higher-ranking nobles from lower-ranking nobles that you do in BM. It is not as bad in larger realms like Arcaea precisely because there is a critical mass of nobles such that people are more conscious of their place and there will be a large contingent that speaks out if you disrupt it. I saw the same thing in Lasanar versus some of the smaller realms I've been in (Ohnar probably being the worst in this respect). Lasanar had 60-70 people at its height and the politics that went on were great because you actually had factions in elections and not just handfuls of people.
Sorraine is a tough example because medieval kings were not also elders or heads of their religions. The kind of zealotry that Caspius promoted worked between Catholicism and Islam because they were really the only two shows in town, at least until the 4th Crusade, but even then nobody set out from the beginning to pick on Orthodox Christians so much as Byzantines. It seems more extreme in BM because Sartanism is medium-sized (rather than dominant) and also has a very checkered history on the FEI.
The church/state split in BM is also a little awkward. The whole idea of crusades does not translate well because you can't just up and leave your regular, landed estate in BM and go wander off on crusade -- which is what most everyone on the first crusade did. It wasn't Kings and Princes but a bunch of largely unlanded knights led by a couple of wealthy magnates of whom the highest-ranking one was probably a French count. They did not expect to come back; they expected to settle there and rule lands in the holy land, which many of them did.
By contrast, Arcaea seems excellent, and I'm glad I joined! The people actually speak like Medieval Nobles, and there is *gasp* some respect for the hierarchy! Fancy that!
Having been in Arcaea for a very long time, I haven't found the former to be true, but the latter is definitely true. Arcaea's size makes it attractive for new nobles and the restored monarchy under Jenred established the King as a dictator who can say or do whatever he wants - and because Arcaea has had a lot of prizes to hand out to loyal nobles, it keeps its Dukes and richer lords fat and happy enough that this works. But things do flare up a few times a year. I haven't seen Velax deal with an Arcaean internal SNAFU yet and am waiting for one to occur that is too large to be put down by his traditional approach to problems of 'everybody stfu, i da boss' which, admittedly, works pretty well in Arcaea most of the time.
Arcaea doesn't have a lot of RP though. It's fun in the 'usually somebody to fight' sense and fun because it has a lot of history.
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I haven't seen Velax deal with an Arcaean internal SNAFU yet and am waiting for one to occur that is too large to be put down by his traditional approach to problems of 'everybody stfu, i da boss' which, admittedly, works pretty well in Arcaea most of the time.
This made me grin. Although I like to think I usually put it a little more eloquently than that.
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This made me grin. Although I like to think I usually put it a little more eloquently than that.
I suddenly thought of Velax being one of the ork Warbosses from Warhammer 40k, smacking down any noble who gets uppity with his power-klaw...
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I suddenly thought of Velax being one of the ork Warbosses from Warhammer 40k, smacking down any noble who gets uppity with his power-klaw...
Next thing we know Arcaea will be charging into battle screaming "WAAAAAAAAAGH" and "Woo! Dakka Dakka Dakka!"
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"Listen uhp! From now on, da boyz with the pointy metal sticks iz called the Stabbeh Ladz, and the onez that be all scaredy and firez from behind the other boyz will be the Shoota Runtz. Any questions yah bastardz?"
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DIE THAIN DIE
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I couldn't think of a better way to punctuate his last letter than the assassin stabbing him.
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What was his last letter? ;D
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"Listen uhp! From now on, da boyz with the pointy metal sticks iz called the Stabbeh Ladz, and the onez that be all scaredy and firez from behind the other boyz will be the Shoota Runtz. Any questions yah bastardz?"
Not sure if this would make me smile or cry.
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DIE THAIN DIE
Strike me down and I'll become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
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Having been in Arcaea for a very long time, I haven't found the former to be true, but the latter is definitely true. Arcaea's size makes it attractive for new nobles and the restored monarchy under Jenred established the King as a dictator who can say or do whatever he wants - and because Arcaea has had a lot of prizes to hand out to loyal nobles, it keeps its Dukes and richer lords fat and happy enough that this works. But things do flare up a few times a year.
I can assure you that it only appeared like Jenred could do whatever he wanted. In practice, what actually happened was Jenred spent a great deal of time figuring out what people wanted, molding them into thinking what he wanted, and then only publicly announcing things after he had gotten the buy-in of enough people to make it stick. Things he wasn't sure about he often asked for input on, and he very rarely actually pushed actively against what he knew the realm wanted, and only when he felt it was a critical issue...And because he did it so rarely, yes, he could get away with it most of the time.
That said, I can think of three serious issues off the top of my head where Jenred went after something and was foiled by other Arcaeans, and there was little he could do about it. As for the rewards...I won't deny that helped, but I think it had a lot more to do with taking (for the game) unusually bold stances, which garnered a lot of respect from different corners.
Arcaea doesn't have a lot of RP though. It's fun in the 'usually somebody to fight' sense and fun because it has a lot of history.
This, sadly, has been true for too many years. We had a great core of roleplayers in 2008/early 2009, but we lost people, people had other interests, and it kinda fell by the wayside. I felt quite bad about that, as I felt I had a duty to try to encourage more roleplay, but none of my ideas panned out (prizes for ideas on campaigns, the Unicorn Guard, etc).
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The weird thing is we have a number of people who I know like to do RP. They just don't. Once this war is over I'll have to try to organise them together.
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Lasanar and Cathay Round 1 had tons of RPers but as a group they tended to be impatient about things that, at least back then, you had to be patient about - bugs, sudden changes in how the game worked, stuff most people think of as everyday. We lost a bunch right away when all of Cathay starved to death in its early years (myself included) due to a bug and gradually the others followed.
I can assure you that it only appeared like Jenred could do whatever he wanted.
Of course it's all relative, but on the scale of monarchs, he could get away with quite a lot. Galiard could do the same in Cathay when it was first founded because of the sheer number of nobles who would poop all over anybody who came out against him. King of 60 guys > King of 20 guys, and Galiard today is unlikely to get back to that because he purposefully drives out the more noisome or scumbag elements that show up rather than peopling his Kingdom with buffoons (other than him).
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Any commentary is welcome here on the conflict. This should prove interesting.
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Assuming this is about Cathay and Friends versus Kindara and Friends, I imagine most of what has been said has been said over in the other threads linked to it.
Unless there's another war brewing out there I don't know about yet.
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Of course it's all relative, but on the scale of monarchs, he could get away with quite a lot.
Oh, indeed, he certainly could, but it wasn't because he just decreed "We shall do it this way, I am teh awesomeness!", it took a lot of work. I was pretty consistently putting 20 hours a week into Jenred for two or three years.
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Should probably have kept that stronghold a bit more garrisoned...
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Should probably have kept that stronghold a bit more garrisoned...
That was my thought.
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Discuss topics related to the war in this thread with a better name.
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I really don't think we need three topics for one War.
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Uhm.... just so you know, I'm not from Cathay. So I'm not really sure why you would find it offensive the way I named it.
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Because he's fighting in a war, against them. Obviously any thread discussing that war with a title that's not deeply insulting to the Cathayans is just a slap in the face to him!
I mean, come on, Gustav, where is your sense of propriety?!?
;D
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Yes, I intended this as a joke. My hope is that both it and the other 'war of the hearth right' will die out or get merged into one of the already existing threads.
Though if you've seen some of Galiard's letters, the title really makes sense. Not saying that's an entirely bad thing. . . .
Egamma edit: took me a while to notice, but your wish is my command.
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If you're Galiard, the only person besides Galiard who has any excuse to be as arrogant as you is Jenred, because no other ruler has created anything lasting. There are times when I'd prefer to rein him in but it wouldn't make sense. He ruled the largest realm in the Far East, won the largest battle in the Far East, and did so by negotiating the largest alliance in the Far East, after which he made himself a Kingdom from scratch. Then he switched to gardening for a while and everything went to pot, so in his opinion he's far more essential than he realistically is, but to the quite limited extent that I could relate to somebody who had done those things and expect them to be humble, it'd be like expecting Patton plus Augustus to be humble. He was arrogant before all those things, too. BM encourages it.
That those things happened before most of the current generation was born is what makes him appear to be an out of touch old relic whose time is past. It's entirely possible that Edmund will demonstrate that to be the case. But that's an appropriate way for Galiard to go down. Every BM ruler-player knows that the realm tends to matter a lot more than any one ruler, and Cathay ain't no Lasanar, at least anymore.
Actually, besides Jenred, Edmund would probably come pretty close in Galiard's estimation if he weren't in the doghouse, but I (and therefore Galiard) don't know who exactly gets credit for forming Kindara since it happened during his naptime.
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Probably the best move Henzo Kuriga has made in his short time as General.
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Should probably have kept that stronghold a bit more garrisoned...
You mean Haul?
Yup. If only some Margrave of Haul had been asking for militia for weeks...
Oh wait. I have been.
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You mean Haul?
Yup. If only some Margrave of Haul had been asking for militia for weeks...
Oh wait. I have been.
Could you not recruit troops as Margrave?
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Actually, besides Jenred, Edmund would probably come pretty close in Galiard's estimation if he weren't in the doghouse, but I (and therefore Galiard) don't know who exactly gets credit for forming Kindara since it happened during his naptime.
It wasnt me! I know Alpha and Ziode had some hands in it, but beyond that all I know is that Cathayans formed Kindara. I was too busy playing a sociopathic genocidal priest that was sitting in a tower watching Soliferum burn down around him and cursing Conan as it did.
Edmund showed up in Kindara pretty much the moment Soliferum fell.
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I think the founding of Kindara was mostly Jenred and Ziode. Alpha was involved some once the actual founding was close, but not too much. We had the benefit of the power vacuum of Soliferum’s collapse. Then we took Masashakon when the Sartanians decided to act like Sartanians. We took C’thonia when Thain spoke out of turn. We annexed old Cathay because of the coronation Conan-lite. Overall, Kindara has been lucky to have a string of rather successful High Lords, and a good alliance with PoZ. I think Edmund has done very well so far.
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You got militia! From every realm except Zonasa!
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I think the founding of Kindara was mostly Jenred and Ziode.
I'd say more Ziode than Jenred. Ziode got the core of the colony and a whole lot of support, Jenred contributed some resources and added a significant (but, I think, not critical) amount of support.
But really, it's hard to say. There was so much horse trading going down in the time leading up to the actual fall that it's all a bit hazy to me now.
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Forum propaganda has reached a whole new level! 8)
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Could you not recruit troops as Margrave?
Yes, with my abundant supplies of gold that I had left over after repairing 80% damaged walls.
Problem is the travel to Palnasos is so long that I can rarely get back in time to cash bonds, and, as a trader, I end up with LOTS of bonds. And managing a citadel in a border war, I have lots of expenses.
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Forum propaganda has reached a whole new level! 8)
Titling it the Annual Far Eastern War might be more accurate, but less interesting.
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Yes, with my abundant supplies of gold that I had left over after repairing 80% damaged walls.
Problem is the travel to Palnasos is so long that I can rarely get back in time to cash bonds, and, as a trader, I end up with LOTS of bonds. And managing a citadel in a border war, I have lots of expenses.
I forgot about not being able to cash bonds at strongholds. That makes might make things somewhat more difficult.
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I would like to see an overall tally of how many battles Kindara and friends have lost/Cathay and friends have won. You'd think them southerners would give up already.
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SO... Dem battles yee keep losing down der, eh Bardic?
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There haven't been that many pitched battles. Off the top of my head, I think Zonasa has lost a couple of mid-size engagements but won a pretty good battle, and Kindara has lost battles in the open field but then won handily in Hatdhes and also still caused quite a number of casualties even when they lost.
The numerical advantage Cathay-and-friends have is offset by the distance the and-friends part has to march. The down time has been successfully exploited before. I don't think anybody is at the 'giving up' point yet.
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I would like to see an overall tally of how many battles Kindara and friends have lost/Cathay and friends have won. You'd think them southerners would give up already.
Kindara lost a battle against Arcaea in Edairn, but dealt about even casualties despite being outnumbered.
Zonasa lost a battle against Arcaea and friends in Ansopen, but it really wasn't a battle because 3/4 of the army had already moved to Palanos.
Zonasa lost a battle against Arcaea and friend in Ansopen when attempting to break out from Zarimel.
Kindara lost a battle against Cathay in Pates, but dealt higher casualties. Also destroyed the walls and drove the region rogue.
Zonasa won a battle against Arcaea and friend in Ansopen despite being out numbered, and drove the region rogue.
Kindara won a battle against Arcaea in Hatdhes.
Zonasa lost a battle against Cathay and friend in Haul. I'm not sure about the impact of that yet.
The battles have been won by the defender in every case but one, which was the Arcaea victory against PoZ rearguard.
I would say the war score is about even.
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Zonasa won a battle against Arcaea and friend in Ansopen despite being out numbered, and drove the region rogue.
Erm, Arcaea and Cathay won that battle. By a lot. We were in Ansopen and Zonasa were trapped in Zarimel. They tried to break through, but didn't have the numbers. You're thinking of another battle in Ansopen, which was Zonasa vs Cathay, which Zonasa won.
Zonasa lost a battle against Arcaea and friends in Ansopen, but it really wasn't a battle because 3/4 of the army had already moved to Palanos.
They had 5000 CS there, so probably closer to 40% of their army, rather than 25%.
The North has won four major battles (I don't count the win in Haul, as few Zonasan troops were there). The South has won two.
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Erm, Arcaea and Cathay won that battle. By a lot. We were in Ansopen and Zonasa were trapped in Zarimel. They tried to break through, but didn't have the numbers. You're thinking of another battle in Ansopen, which was Zonasa vs Cathay, which Zonasa won.
They had 5000 CS there, so probably closer to 40% of their army, rather than 25%.
The North has won four major battles (I don't count the win in Haul, as few Zonasan troops were there). The South has won two.
Looks like I left out one battle in Ansopen. They won when they defended, lost when they attacked, and lost when they weren't there.
Ah, I was thinking something like 4000/13000CS left behind for that battle. Either way, they were refitted in about 2 days so I don't think it was all that significant.
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Kindara lost a battle against Arcaea in Edairn, but dealt about even casualties despite being outnumbered.
Zonasa lost a battle against Arcaea and friends in Ansopen, but it really wasn't a battle because 3/4 of the army had already moved to Palanos.
Kindara lost a battle against Cathay in Pates, but dealt higher casualties. Also destroyed the walls and drove the region rogue.
Zonasa won a battle against Arcaea and friend in Ansopen despite being out numbered, and drove the region rogue.
Kindara won a battle against Arcaea in Hatdhes.
Zonasa lost a battle against Cathay and friend in Haul. I'm not sure about the impact of that yet.
The battles have been won by the defender in every case but one, which was the Arcaea victory against PoZ rearguard.
I would say the war score is about even.
The 'battle' in Haul, such as it was (more a skirmish than a battle, there was only a fraction of our forces involved), was won by the attackers. I'm not really going to comment much on the impact yet.
The north has won more battles, the south may have done more damage (remains to be seen after the winter).
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You'd think them southerners would give up already.
You'd think them northerners would mind their own business. :)
Seriously though, the view in the south is pretty much that we're doing more then enough without open victories that we aren't beaten either. That makes it seem more a victory to Edmund since he enjoys knowing that three realms are moving through massive amounts of gold, food, and men just to fight two realms down south with little actual success.
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I don't know if I'd call driving two regions rogue and a third to the brink of rebelling "little actual success".
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I don't know if I'd call driving two regions rogue and a third to the brink of rebelling "little actual success".
I know, but Edmund tends to be overly optimistic at times.
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Sorraine has hardly gone through any gold or men...
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... or done anything much at all!
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... or done anything much at all!
Actually, we were the ones to start the move on Haul. Without us, Arcaea would already be back refitting while Cathay tried to hold Ansopen against PoZ.
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Actually, we were the ones to start the move on Haul. Without us, Arcaea would already be back refitting while Cathay tried to hold Ansopen against PoZ.
Actually we had already called off attacking Ansopen before the attack on Haul. Only a few hours before, admittedly. . . .
I'm somewhat surprised that Arcaea didn't go back, though Kindara did block their retreat. I guess they've given up their army for lost by now? Unless they have HUGE piles of gold with them. . . .
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Go back where? Home? Those who needed to pay their men were told to go home, the rest of us stayed to do some damage in Haul. Will a few people misjudge the timing and lose their units? Possibly. But the gold for replacement units is not really a huge issue for us.
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I am curious how much the typical war in Battlemaster actually costs. I feel like the way money works in this game, most people only care whether they have enough gold to do x or y with enough leftover to continue doing x or y without any concern for the future. Mostly because in most realms gold is not really an issue (at least not in any I play.)
When I say Edmund thinks of the cost of gold and men, I'm thinking pure roleplay terms. In reality, I imagine most lords would be tracking the cost of gold and men and trying to determine if the cost was worth the effort of the campaign.
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The 'battle' in Haul, such as it was (more a skirmish than a battle, there was only a fraction of our forces involved), was won by the attackers. I'm not really going to comment much on the impact yet.
Impact will be determined by:
1. How quickly walls can get repaired
2. How quickly militia can get set
3. How long until the next attack
Items #1 and #2 will be a function of how much gold people give to Oradrikkon.
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Also, I'm gonna point out that about 3,000 CS of Zonasan defenders, in 3 successive battles, managed to eliminate well over 4500 CS of enemy troops. Sure, we lost that last battle; but our little cobbled-together defense team actually did remarkably well for what we had on hand.
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Go back where? Home? Those who needed to pay their men were told to go home, the rest of us stayed to do some damage in Haul. Will a few people misjudge the timing and lose their units? Possibly. But the gold for replacement units is not really a huge issue for us.
I may also have mistaken assumptions about how long it will take you to get back. I figure that with winter it's probably a week long journey, maybe more (I know that it's 30+ hours just to leave Haul), so . . . given that, I figured you guys thought it was easier to just have your units desert and replace them than bother trying to get back in time to pay and then have to repair and everything on top of it.
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I may also have mistaken assumptions about how long it will take you to get back. I figure that with winter it's probably a week long journey, maybe more (I know that it's 30+ hours just to leave Haul), so . . . given that, I figured you guys thought it was easier to just have your units desert and replace them than bother trying to get back in time to pay and then have to repair and everything on top of it.
Deserting causes other issues. Leaving aside the RP, they can steal your money, and you can lose H/P, leaves you undefended on the way back, etc.
As for paying them off...Still leaves the issues of being undefended on the way back, the RP aspects, the captains, etc. Leaving units as militia in border regions is something that used to work a lot better under the old realm-based tax system. These days you have to have a good gold redistribution set up to make that work.
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Well, interesting to see how many of your troops do desert. Looks like our tactic of starving you all hasn't produced as much results as we would have liked, though it seems to have hurt a bit.
The attack itself certainly had far less impact than it could have, as you stayed in Haul, which is in all honesty, not the most important region . . . we'd like to keep it somewhat defended for strategic reasons, but you probably would have done far more damage to Zonasa by either going to loot Razrpot or continuing to Pamplarmi, possibly seizing food there, and maybe continuing into our heartland.
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Well, interesting to see how many of your troops do desert. Looks like our tactic of starving you all hasn't produced as much results as we would have liked, though it seems to have hurt a bit.
The attack itself certainly had far less impact than it could have, as you stayed in Haul, which is in all honesty, not the most important region . . . we'd like to keep it somewhat defended for strategic reasons, but you probably would have done far more damage to Zonasa by either going to loot Razrpot or continuing to Pamplarmi, possibly seizing food there, and maybe continuing into our heartland.
You have no idea how aggravated Henzo Kuriga is at that... it was the very strategy I suggested, and wanted to use with my otherwise rather small force. But some people thought he was going on for religious reasons... v-v
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Haul was Arcaea's route to get home, not a path to loot Zonasan rurals. We couldn't use Leod as the Kindarans in Azros would catch us, so I chose a route that would surprise you. I asked for Cathayan help in breaking through Haul, which Galiard gave. Sorraine being there was a bonus. I hadn't originally planned to stay and loot it, but there was little Zonasan opposition, so we took advantage.
Gustav, Sorraine didn't have the forces to raid Zonasan regions. You had, what, 5000 CS? You would have taken significant casualties in Haul if you had been on your own, and then you'd have been able to loot a Zonasan rural for a few turns before Zonasa chased you out with their 13,000 CS.
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Yes, but then they would have to turn their backs on the Cathayan army if they wanted to focus on us alone.
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Well . . . Sorraine would probably have had a little longer, actually, because we'd already gotten our army halfway into Haul and it took us several turns getting back to Palnasos before we could even move anywhere else . . . a good chance to loot Razrpot or Azarons, or run around in rurals and burn any food in them.
Overall, not we're not exactly happy with how things went, but know that much more damage could have been done.
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I just !@#$ed the entire Sorrainian army... oops.
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I just !@#$ed the entire Sorrainian army... oops.
What is bad luck but another man's good fortune?
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Given Haul eventually went rogue after our looting, I maintain that we made the correct decision.
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Possibly. I'm not sure the looting directly caused Haul to go rogue, though, I think it was mostly the starvation (which seemed to have surprisingly little effect upon the troops there).
Sending Razrpot or Azarons rogue would have been far worse for us that sending Haul rogue, so while damage was done, I still think far less damage than could have been done was done.
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So... how is everyone enjoying the war? Any comments on my generalship, good or bad?
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What is bad luck but another man's good fortune?
Unless someone complains its a bug.
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No one said what you did was a bug. They said it was an exploit. There's a difference.
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I stand corrected.
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War? Are we at war? I have to say I hadn't really noticed.
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It's been one of the more enjoyable ones for me as a player. I prefer the diplomacy side of the game to the "gotta log in at turn change to give orders" bit as active players willing to do this are pretty rare (and I'm grateful we had any at all..).
The last time I really had to run things on this scale was probably 2006 and many things have improved quite a lot since then.
The basis of a good general and/or marshal hasn't changed, though. It's always been about communication. Arcaea is very good at this but they have a military King so that's to be expected. I suspect Kindara was also pretty good at this though obviously their preferred form of communication with us wasn't letters. Ohnar West surprised a lot of people by staying on top of things so they earned some brownie points.
Sorraine had some growing pains but got their act together. So did Cathay, too. Nothing like practice....
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I'll take that as a compliment. This is my first general position in a long time, the last time being cut short before I could do anything in that position. Unfortunately there is only one army that goes on campaign, meaning I mostly command as if I am marshal of that army. Which leaves the Marshal in more of a Vice-Marshal position. v-v
I try to occassionally involve the Marshal and Vice-Marshal in discussions regarding the campaign.
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The basis of a good general and/or marshal hasn't changed, though. It's always been about communication. Arcaea is very good at this but they have a military King so that's to be expected. I suspect Kindara was also pretty good at this though obviously their preferred form of communication with us wasn't letters. Ohnar West surprised a lot of people by staying on top of things so they earned some brownie points.
I've been pleased with Kindara's army performance. We can move as well as Arcaea, but we're considerably smaller. I was worried, when GA first backed out, that things would be much worse for us than now.
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I've been pleased with Kindara's army performance. We can move as well as Arcaea, but we're considerably smaller. I was worried, when GA first backed out, that things would be much worse for us than now.
When you threaten to betray an ally with the help of yet another ally, people tend to get weary. However, you're lucky that they were hesitant, or else maybe things would be much worse for you than they are now.
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I was somewhat disappointed by the outcome of the last campaign. The Morale bug screwed us quite badly, and the apparently unannounced looting changes meant we couldn't drive Apelen rogue.
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Are you sure it's a bug? Maybe they lowered their taxes to 5% and did a lot of police and diplo work before you arrived.
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No, the peasant militias wouldn't form. That's what normally seems to do the damage to Control and Loyalty. But no matter how much we looted, they wouldn't form.
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There was little to no effect on Loyalty and Control (Or at least, I don't believe them changing), and no peasant militias formed (Which was the real odd thing). Moral and Production were at their lowest though. The region only started to suffer a bit afterwards when the hunger bit in. This was all during our looting for a few days, so no police work could have been done.
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Maybe Kindara re-settled all their masochists in Apelen.
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That would explain a lot ;)
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I think this also happened the last time we were looting in Ansopen, too. Was surprised that no militia formed, but didn't think much of it at the time.
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When you threaten to betray an ally with the help of yet another ally, people tend to get weary. However, you're lucky that they were hesitant, or else maybe things would be much worse for you than they are now.
What now?
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As Bill O'Reily says:
I don't know what that is, I haven't seen that.
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As Bill O'Reily says:
I don't know what that is, I haven't seen that.
;D
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What now?
The whole P.O.Z wanting to attack GA - prior to this war - with help from Kindara thing. That being a big decision maker for GA. That was a thing, right?
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The whole P.O.Z wanting to attack GA - prior to this war - with help from Kindara thing. That being a big decision maker for GA. That was a thing, right?
It was, though more so in P.O.Z then in Kindara. Just before the current war it was more a thing that could possibly happen then anything that was seriously being planned. Popular opinion was not as against GA then as it is now that Arella seems to have stopped listening to anything resembling reality. Either that or Galiard is just that convincing, and I have to admit, he is charismatic.
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Something I've always wanted to know.
Whom is the Lord Regent the Regent on behalf of in POZ? Is there a Prince somewhere that everybody is waiting for? A drooling old man in a closet who is the actual ruler, but the regent runs things?
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They used to be the Regent for Duchess (Princess?) Hoshi, but now that she's gone I don't know.
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According to their wiki: "It was founded by the late Prince Zhao Ziyang during the desegregation of the Svunnetland Empire"
So I guess the Regent technically is the stand in for Prince of the long, lost Svunnetland Empire?
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Something I've always wanted to know.
Whom is the Lord Regent the Regent on behalf of in POZ? Is there a Prince somewhere that everybody is waiting for? A drooling old man in a closet who is the actual ruler, but the regent runs things?
Zhao Ziyang was the Prince of Zonasa. He was killed in battle some time in...2005? 2006? Quite a while ago, anyway.
His daughter is Zhao Hoshi, formerly Zhao Hoshi Eiryn, Queen of Svunnetland. She is the rightful heir of the Principality. However, when Ziyang died, Hoshi was still Queen of Svunnetland, and did not wish to see Zonasa destroyed by coming under her rule. Thus, the regency was created. When Svunnetland was destroyed, Hoshi could not bring herself to take over for those who had been ruling Zonasa (partly because her player was, and is, somewhat inactive).
However, Hoshi is getting married now. By the ancient laws and customs of the land, that means that her husband will be a male heir to Ziyang...
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It's impressive that Zonasa has recognized that tradition for so long. I'd have thought many realms would have switched things up after a few years.
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It's impressive that Zonasa has recognized that tradition for so long. I'd have thought many realms would have switched things up after a few years.
Well, I dunno how much they would have stuck to it if a few of us who remembered Ziyang hadn't joined recently ;)
...Actually, that's not fair. Morgan has been pretty staunch in his support of the principle that he is a regent for the House of Zhao, at least verbally.
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It was, though more so in P.O.Z then in Kindara. Just before the current war it was more a thing that could possibly happen then anything that was seriously being planned. Popular opinion was not as against GA then as it is now that Arella seems to have stopped listening to anything resembling reality. Either that or Galiard is just that convincing, and I have to admit, he is charismatic.
I believe I may or may not have something to do with that. <.<
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Zhao Ziyang was the Prince of Zonasa. He was killed in battle some time in...2005? 2006? Quite a while ago, anyway.
His daughter is Zhao Hoshi, formerly Zhao Hoshi Eiryn, Queen of Svunnetland. She is the rightful heir of the Principality. However, when Ziyang died, Hoshi was still Queen of Svunnetland, and did not wish to see Zonasa destroyed by coming under her rule. Thus, the regency was created. When Svunnetland was destroyed, Hoshi could not bring herself to take over for those who had been ruling Zonasa (partly because her player was, and is, somewhat inactive).
However, Hoshi is getting married now. By the ancient laws and customs of the land, that means that her husband will be a male heir to Ziyang...
Actually, it was more that Einar, ruler of Svunnetland, claimed that as Hoshi's husband, he should become prince. Zonasa said 'no way,' since we didn't like him very much, and it was a war with him that killed Zhao and brought us down to one or two regions. After a couple of different proposals, including if I recall one by Morgan that either Hoshi join Zonasa and rule it as a separate realm from Svunnetland, or else select a regent to do so . . . Hoshi actually gave up all claim to any inheritance going through her, and told Zonasa to select their own prince, after which Morgan became Zonasa's second prince.
Those were some fun times, unfortunately Morgan did not do well as prince and then I got severely ill and had to stop playing for a while, and it was about two years before I came back.
Well, I dunno how much they would have stuck to it if a few of us who remembered Ziyang hadn't joined recently ;)
...Actually, that's not fair. Morgan has been pretty staunch in his support of the principle that he is a regent for the House of Zhao, at least verbally.
Morgan also definitely counts as one of those who remembers Ziyang, though, given that he was basically his protege. Morgan owes his political career to him (and to his servant, who was ennobled after Zhao's death -- the player's next character, who was Regent when I returned, and again gave me a leg up), and so if generally going to be nothing but respectful to the family.
The whole regent tradition started after I left, though (mostly -- I called myself regent for the first couple weeks I ruled after Zhao's death, but then I became prince), but Morgan is mostly happy to forget he was a prince at one point, because he didn't do terribly well . . . and he wants to eventually bring some reforms to have Zonasa just elect princes for life, and then he would be happy to return to being Duke . . . provided he can find someone he thinks would be good to push into the position of prince. He likes to rule from behind the curtain more, really.
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The whole P.O.Z wanting to attack GA - prior to this war - with help from Kindara thing. That being a big decision maker for GA. That was a thing, right?
Sort of, but probably not as much of a thing as you think.
I think there were actual plans a while back when Aenilia had a different ruler and they simply would not talk to us, and we were trying to figure out how to get their attention, but lately it's mostly been grumbling at one thing or another they've done, and talk of how 'well, if they give us a real reason, we'll just have to go in there,' but no actual real invasion plans.
Aenilia's belief that we're going to attack them seems to mostly be a self-fulfilling prophecy as far as I can tell, they think we're going to invade, so they do annoying things, which makes us more upset, so they think we're going to attack more, so they do more things to piss us off. . . .
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Yeah, that's a much better way to put it. They never gave us a real reasons, but they've certainly given us plenty of small ones lately.
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It was, though more so in P.O.Z then in Kindara. Just before the current war it was more a thing that could possibly happen then anything that was seriously being planned. Popular opinion was not as against GA then as it is now that Arella seems to have stopped listening to anything resembling reality. Either that or Galiard is just that convincing, and I have to admit, he is charismatic.
Arella's fatal flaw is justness of a cause. The longer a war like this drags on, the more she's going to regret choosing pragmatism over principles. Sooner it all ends, the sooner she'll let it go and move on.
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Arella's fatal flaw is justness of a cause and Galiard is super-convincing and gave her a pony.
Fixed that for you.
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Arella's fatal flaw is justness of a cause and Galiard is super-convincing and gave her a pony.
Ponies! We just knew there had to be something in it for her. This explains everything!
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Ponies do indeed explain everything.
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Ponies do indeed explain everything.
So you're telling me that the Pony's hearth right was infringed upon, not Galiard's?
That does explain a lot.
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Actually, back when Galiard got his first Ducal title in Lasanar (in Ossaet) he famously spent most of his money maintaining a stable of purebred, miniature ponies. So presumably he would still have some...
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There was no pony mentioned, I assure you. If it had, this war would have been over weeks ago. :D
::edit- Actually, not even I'm arrogant enough to think that GA's military influence would've been enough to end things much faster.::
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Actually, I honestly think GA playing Switzerland may have been the most helpful thing to Zonasa/Kindara, due to how it shaped the front. If they had actually joined on our side, they probably would have been overrun my Arcaea reasonably quickly.
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Arguable. It has protected Zonasa's lands from damage but at the same time limited the southern realms to only being able to reach three Cathayan regions before they have to attack a city, which they've not attempted.
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Aye. How much of GA may have been driven rogue too?
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Actually, I honestly think GA playing Switzerland may have been the most helpful thing to Zonasa/Kindara, due to how it shaped the front. If they had actually joined on our side, they probably would have been overrun my Arcaea reasonably quickly.
OOC, it was definitely a consideration for me. Especially as poor as our military is, I saw ourselves being overrun in 1-2 weeks by Arcaea.
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Cathay's military was in pretty sorry shape before the war just because most of it had not fought a war before.
They're not going to be forming any elite legions with late-turn moves or anything (partially because I can't be bothered) but we've had 100% moves the last few times it's been important. Make enough noise and eventually people figure out what's important!
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Actually, I honestly think GA playing Switzerland may have been the most helpful thing to Zonasa/Kindara, due to how it shaped the front. If they had actually joined on our side, they probably would have been overrun my Arcaea reasonably quickly.
I think this about sums it up. Avoiding GA forced Northern alliance to move through Azros, Palanos, Haul, or lose 1/3 of the army to starvation through Leod/Edairn. Since GA's geography is almost completely indefensible, their neutrality likely was an advantage for us.
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I feel that Sorraine has a very disciplined army.
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Sure, but...where is it? I look at the Stats page and see Sorraine has 26,000+ CS, but I look at the scout reports and rarely see Sorraine with more than 6,000 - 8,000 of mobile CS in a region.
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Sure, but...where is it? I look at the Stats page and see Sorraine has 26,000+ CS, but I look at the scout reports and rarely see Sorraine with more than 6,000 - 8,000 of mobile CS in a region.
You can't see the black helicopters.
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Yes, we have it secretly stashed away underneath Haul, where we work with Cathay in galactic reconnaissance using a star ring. >.>