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Title: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on January 04, 2013, 04:55:58 AM
This is where all future OOG discussion regarding the Council of Mech Albion. The council is basically a Messociden moot formed between Asylon and Farronite. Its called 'Mech Albion' in symbolism of our lands previous hostililty and wars that raged in that region. As a reminder of what we were and how we can work to change our future.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Penchant on January 04, 2013, 05:21:18 AM
Why not even an alliance yet?
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on January 04, 2013, 06:06:19 AM
The council is steps to open proper long term communication. Perhaps nothing will come of it but its a start.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Penchant on January 04, 2013, 06:41:23 AM
The council is steps to open proper long term communication. Perhaps nothing will come of it but its a start.
So it's a guild?
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Chenier on January 04, 2013, 07:12:16 AM
This is where all future OOG discussion regarding the Council of Mech Albion. The council is basically a Messociden moot formed between Asylon and Farronite. Its called 'Mech Albion' in symbolism of our lands previous hostililty and wars that raged in that region. As a reminder of what we were and how we can work to change our future.

You can't just found a guild and call it a 'moot of the West (or Mesoccidens, or North, or South, or wherever). The 'moot is so much more.

You can aspire for it to become the 'moot of the Mesoccidens, though, but I don't really see that happening. The context in your region is way different than the context is ours was.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Eldargard on January 04, 2013, 07:29:35 AM
He can call it such if he wants. His name/description may not match your expectations but there is nothing saying he can't call it what he wants...
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Chenier on January 04, 2013, 07:44:44 AM
He can call it such if he wants. His name/description may not match your expectations but there is nothing saying he can't call it what he wants...

Well sure. I could go calling Verdis Elementum the Sanguis Astroism of the South. On the grounds that they are two religions that are shared by multiple realms.

But that wouldn't really be a very accurate comparison.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Eldargard on January 04, 2013, 07:50:33 AM
Completely agreed!!!
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on January 04, 2013, 02:13:20 PM
Chenier... The guild is like a middle moot, its based off the idea of the moot. Its not an exact replica. I dont know what your point in coming here was because Im sure with a little thought or patience everything would become clear.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Vellos on January 04, 2013, 04:25:53 PM
ooo...

Now, to try and find a way for Terran to join another international organization....
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on January 04, 2013, 04:37:06 PM
You can join as an observer.  :P
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Vellos on January 04, 2013, 04:37:27 PM
What if I give you lots of money and diplomatic high-fives?
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Chenier on January 04, 2013, 05:13:59 PM
ooo...

Now, to try and find a way for Terran to join another international organization....

I can arrange some for you eventually. I promise a plenty of cookies, too!
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Gustav Kuriga on January 04, 2013, 09:49:29 PM
As an Elder of the Council of Mech Albion, I can say that this is actually a serious attempt at Asylon-Farronite relations.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on January 04, 2013, 10:30:01 PM
Asylon Farronite... Astrum... Iashular... Morek... Corsanctum... Terran and D'Hara oh and Barcan relations... :o
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Psyche on January 05, 2013, 11:16:02 PM
Why not just join the 'moot?
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Indirik on January 05, 2013, 11:21:42 PM
The mooot is only for realms in the southwest. Also, only realms that have a "republican style" of government. Asylon and Farronite are too far north, and Asylon isn't "republican style".
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Penchant on January 05, 2013, 11:48:43 PM
The mooot is only for realms in the southwest. Also, only realms that have a "republican style" of government. Asylon and Farronite are too far north, and Asylon isn't "republican style".
I don't think they care so much about geography as they do the republican style.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on January 06, 2013, 12:07:42 AM
Asylon did try to join the moot but they wouldnt let us because of geography. The council of Mech Albion is for realms in the north-west Messociddens, not mid or south.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Penchant on January 06, 2013, 12:19:27 AM
Asylon did try to join the moot but they wouldnt let us because of geography. The council of Mech Albion is for realms in the north-west Messociddens, not mid or south.
I was told it was because it was because of the republican clause, which they were considering making an exception before the Terran-Kabrinskian War you escalated when they specifically said they did want, and allies should be considered equal entities, and equal entities make important decisions that involve both of them, together.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Indirik on January 06, 2013, 02:08:33 AM
The Treaty of Maroccidens lists a specific geography in which a realm has to have at least one city, or it cannot be a full member of the moot.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Vellos on January 06, 2013, 02:13:49 AM
Asylon did try to join the moot but they wouldnt let us because of geography. The council of Mech Albion is for realms in the north-west Messociddens, not mid or south.

Asylon meets the geographic requirement– the Treaty of the Marrocidens specifically notes Asylon's geographic eligibility.

What Asylon fails is the Republican form of governance criteria.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Penchant on January 06, 2013, 02:33:15 AM
The Treaty of Maroccidens lists a specific geography in which a realm has to have at least one city, or it cannot be a full member of the moot.
Which is Marroccidens or Messocidens, thus both Asylon and Farronite Republic fit the geographic requirements.

Edit: Maybe not Farronite Republic, I would have to do some geography looking up.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Indirik on January 06, 2013, 02:48:39 AM
I'm fairly certain the Treaty notes that Cearwyn was geographically ineligible, which would make Farronite ineligible.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on January 06, 2013, 03:01:29 AM
Ironically, I the one who cant keep my mouth shut is blamed for lack of communication. :P
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Chenier on January 06, 2013, 03:37:16 AM
I'm fairly certain the Treaty notes that Cearwyn was geographically ineligible, which would make Farronite ineligible.

Indeed.

As Vellos said, it's government style that ruled out Asylon. Though there was discussions of creating a new affiliated state membership in the treaty, but we never got around to it. Then we ended up realizing that we were better off on our own.

At this point, the three 'moot realm have so much history between them that adding new members would hinder the cohesion and fraternity in the institution, because of the lack of this shared background. I doubt any additions will ever be approved now, unless formed from a splitting of existing member states on friendly terms (and not just a colonization secession for foreign nobles).
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Penchant on January 06, 2013, 03:40:01 AM
Ironically, I the one who cant keep my mouth shut is blamed for lack of communication. :P
Yes because though you can't shut up on most things, you didn't say a word on escalating the war to your allies even though they explicitly said they did not want to do that.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on January 06, 2013, 05:21:43 AM
I stated several times to Cellos what I was doing he either didnt care or read what I sent. Enough of this.

Asylon doesnt want to be a part of the moot, there are already enough moot. We choose to keep our alliances small and uncomplicated to keep the game fun. We dont need to ally the whole map, this is BM not federation master, so in order to maintain diversity and cultures we choose the black sheep path. We like our kingdoms policy. Our allies have always been few its better that way and it shows you truly care about that alliance above all others, just like when I started a war to take the pressure off of my family and brothers in Terran. Asylon took the brunt of the war and its ok if you do not care. We thought we were doing the right thing for Terran at the time.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Gustav Kuriga on January 06, 2013, 06:09:55 AM
This thread is not about the war with a dead realm. If you all wish to talk about it, please take it elsewhere. This is about the Guild/Alliance that Asylon in the Farronite Republic will share.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on January 06, 2013, 06:51:14 AM
Thank you Gustav.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Feylonis on January 06, 2013, 02:15:21 PM
Or maybe not share, if Glaumring keeps insisting on removing Halleria from the Republic. :)
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Vellos on January 06, 2013, 05:22:36 PM
I'm fairly certain the Treaty notes that Cearwyn was geographically ineligible, which would make Farronite ineligible.

Correct, FR is ineligible.

Mesoccidens is the area between the Root River and the Barrow Peaks.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on January 06, 2013, 06:26:49 PM
No one has insisted you be removed. You have been listed as a criminal and we have asked you not be allowed to join the council. I'm not even sure why they keep you.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Indirik on January 06, 2013, 06:30:01 PM
Maybe it's a poke at you. :D
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on January 06, 2013, 06:33:00 PM
I am the lion and when I bring down a beast the jackals and vultures and hyenas gather around trying to steal my kill.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Marlboro on January 08, 2013, 07:13:38 PM
No one has insisted you be removed. You have been listed as a criminal and we have asked you not be allowed to join the council. I'm not even sure why they keep you.

We keep her because Paul demanded that we find a new GILF to replace Allison.

That or because she's a badass courtier and we only have fourteen nobles as it is.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on January 08, 2013, 08:08:54 PM
Maybe she'll switch a region back to us... Or Terran... Or Astrum or wherever..
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Indirik on January 08, 2013, 08:12:55 PM
Mmm... Sour grapes are TEH BESTEST EVAR!
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Marlboro on January 08, 2013, 09:02:51 PM
Maybe she'll switch a region back to us... Or Terran... Or Astrum or wherever..

We wisely gave her a region right smack in the middle of the realm. She's trapped!
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Telrunya on January 08, 2013, 09:20:59 PM
That need not stop a Lord from switching allegiances ;)
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Feylonis on January 08, 2013, 10:39:05 PM
I found it pleasantly amusing that I was given a region in the middle of the realm, actually. Clever Kabrinskia is clever!
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Gustav Kuriga on January 08, 2013, 10:44:50 PM
Not kabrinskia anymore... D:
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Perth on January 10, 2013, 03:32:27 AM
The 'Moot of the Messoccidens... even though... the 'Moot.. ya know... is in the Messoccidens.....
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on January 10, 2013, 04:51:37 AM
Does it matter? I was using the ' moot' as an example of what the council is similiar too or akin to or an example of. I didnt say its an exact  replica of the moot down to little chenier and vellos dolls. Its an organization to increase relations between two realms. I didnt call it the 'moot of mech albion'... You'd think no other kingdoms on dwilight can create organizations judging some of the dumbass comments and insinuation here.

And originally Asylon couldnt join the moot because we are in Messo and they are in Marro. If its the republican thing then why is D'Hara a monarchy?
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Penchant on January 10, 2013, 05:10:10 AM

And originally Asylon couldnt join the moot because we are in Messo and they are in Marro. If its the republican thing then why is D'Hara a monarchy?
It says the members must have a republican style of governance, which D'hara is. If you are going to nitpick at words, read everything concerning it, not just what you feel like, please. Also, as they have stated, it was never about your geography but your government.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on January 10, 2013, 05:27:22 AM
What does this have to do with the council of Mech Albion?
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Chenier on January 10, 2013, 12:51:47 PM
What does this have to do with the council of Mech Albion?

You asked the question.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Gustav Kuriga on January 10, 2013, 01:22:25 PM
Dear lord, would you all get over yourselves? And yes, I mean both sides. This thread is meant to be on the Council of Mech Albion, specifically in regards to how it increases relations between Asylon and the Farronite Republic. Not to be some pissing match about the moot.

Anyways, I have created a guildhouse in Golden Farrow, so that anyone can join it without going out of their way to Mech Alb.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on January 10, 2013, 02:22:24 PM
Thank you once again Gustav.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Tandaros on January 10, 2013, 06:58:15 PM
I like this! Can't wait to see how it develops.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on January 10, 2013, 07:53:44 PM
So far the two kingdoms are just signing up interested nobles. We are just working out the details on how it can be an exact replica of the moot.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Feylonis on January 10, 2013, 08:35:39 PM
Why would you want it to be an exact replica? The Veinsormoot has a distinct history and culture which heavily influenced its formation in the first place. If you want the Council to actually succeed and not be just a paper bag, try to be something other than a copy.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Bjarnson on January 10, 2013, 09:23:55 PM
So far the two kingdoms are just signing up interested nobles. We are just working out the details on how it can be an exact replica of the moot.

*giggles*

And yes, I have joined aswell. Lets the cooperation begin.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Penchant on January 10, 2013, 10:54:35 PM
Why would you want it to be an exact replica? The Veinsormoot has a distinct history and culture which heavily influenced its formation in the first place. If you want the Council to actually succeed and not be just a paper bag, try to be something other than a copy.
he is being sarcastic.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on January 11, 2013, 01:00:11 AM
he is being sarcastic.

Thank you sir  ;)
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Gustav Kuriga on January 31, 2013, 10:06:28 AM
Oh hey... another drought in the North Mediterranean weather zone... yay.  ::)
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Vessol on January 31, 2013, 10:15:58 PM
Oh hey... another drought in the North Mediterranean weather zone... yay.  ::)

Golden Farrow can't get a break can it? How many times has it starved now?
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Gustav Kuriga on January 31, 2013, 11:07:53 PM
None, since I became lord. Before that? Not sure.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: cenrae on January 31, 2013, 11:34:50 PM
Gustav has thus far found food unlike myself when I was there but then again that was during the long winter.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Penchant on January 31, 2013, 11:35:18 PM
Oh hey... another drought in the North Mediterranean weather zone... yay.  ::)
Damn. I guess this is the Farronites punishment by the stars for not being a theocracy.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Bjarnson on January 31, 2013, 11:59:38 PM
Do not worry, salvation is just a signature away.(well two really, but you get the drift) ;)
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: JeVondair on February 02, 2013, 12:04:38 AM
Soooo D'Hara can haz? We liek makin' friendz
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Stabbity on February 02, 2013, 03:06:10 AM
Soooo D'Hara can haz? We liek makin' friendz

Lies.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Tandaros on February 02, 2013, 08:35:43 AM
Lies.

That's not a very friendly attitude!  :P
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Nosferatus on February 02, 2013, 10:07:11 AM
That's not a very friendly attitude!  :P

but its true :P
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Stabbity on February 02, 2013, 04:02:37 PM
^ this.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: cenrae on February 02, 2013, 06:35:54 PM
Well if our ambassadors ever draft a treaty that is. Have heard nothing from either of them.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Gustav Kuriga on February 02, 2013, 06:54:50 PM
Yeah... I'm about ready to request that Khari just increase our relations to alliance and worry about the treaty later...
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Bjarnson on February 02, 2013, 07:23:10 PM
Just got word from our ambassador, she has been very busy irl but will look into the treaty buisness right away.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: cenrae on February 04, 2013, 12:41:27 AM
That or I'll draft up something..just wanted to give some other players something to do.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on February 04, 2013, 04:26:17 AM
Many of our nobles are on and off busy in RL so they disappear for a few days and then unpause and then pause. We are pretty chill.
Title: Re: the Council of Mech Albion
Post by: JeVondair on February 05, 2013, 05:01:29 AM
but its true :P

LIES!