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East Island / Re: Sigh...
« on: April 01, 2014, 09:36:51 PM »
I will just ask, please... PLEASE... continue attacking Trinbar. I did my characters defending that walls against the continent.

haha Eduardo, maybe we should burn everything and leave only Trinbar and Avamar untouched! ;)
See Erik and Durion continue to claim to be undefeated while the rest burns...that would be funny...but utopical, of course. I am j/k.

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East Island / Re: Sigh...
« on: April 01, 2014, 09:32:33 PM »
Then its clear that the southern alliance goes to war for Atanamirs "not that brutal reasons". There is certain achievement there, Atanamir is making half of the continent go to war for his personal reasons. I applaud that!

Re-read my sentence. I was speaking only for Atanamir.

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East Island / Re: Sigh...
« on: April 01, 2014, 08:57:56 PM »
In game, you vote for or against a character, not people. If you're voting for people, then that 95% of your problem right there.

I agree. But then again, I believe that a great part of the char's not-game-mech-related skills depend a lot on the people's skills behind them.
That begins with simple things such as the language they use and ends with more complex things like for example social skills they have.

Sure. I bet there is an undeniable and logical explanation to desire the killing of the elves.  ::)

I believe the sole reason for people to hate the elves, is because they are unique. Sirionites are the only ones in the game allowed to play elves, and despite what Tom said about the only elves in the game are those chars created before idk which year (which i heavily disagree with), many people plays their chars as elves, because they are Sirionites, and they live in the realm of the elves and that really produces anger among the others, anger probably related to the envy about not been allowed to play the char as other thing than a human. This means that the elven hate comes from OOC reasons? I definetely believe so. Can be transformed into IC reasons? I definetely believe so. Persecutions of other races, ideas, religions have been part of our history, why wouldnt be something valid inside the game?

Possible is everything, but I believe to know that at least Atanamir has less brutal reasons to fight Sirion at the moment.  ;)

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East Island / Re: Sigh...
« on: April 01, 2014, 07:00:30 PM »
Its the best reason people had so far to war Sirion... the extinction of the elves.

Sirion defends its kind, while the southern alliance wants to make a genocide of the elven race.

Take it, is ten times better than invent the kidnap of a King like Westmoor once did.

Soon the real reason will be revealed. No worries. Everything will come.

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East Island / Re: Sigh...
« on: April 01, 2014, 06:57:36 PM »
The point of bringing it to the forums is to try and increase awareness of the situation, and see what can be done, in aggregate, to alleviate the situation. Discussing something between 5 or 6 people, when you're trying to make changes that affect the entire game as a whole, is pretty pointless. I'm not trying to change anything for Eponllyn. It will live or die based on what happens IG, not what happens on the forum.

And how many people discuss here on the forum?
And I mean seriously discussing.
Less than 5 - 6 people if you look at it.

And there is your big forum mistake as always.
See, the 5-6 people ingame are elected by many more people.
Why? Because they have obviously some talents. Experience. Leadership. Visions.
So these elected people have much more knowledge in what is best for their realms than most of your forum people.
They are there every day, know the continent, the people who play on it and everything that is relevant to it.

You should have left the discussion therefore better to them, they are much more civil and productive than this forum could ever be.
Instead you come here and complain how bad everything is. Let's cry everyone a bit. But solutions? Nothing.
So again, leave some things ingame to the people who care, know and are competent enough.
Because incompetent people do not get elected in Battlemaster usually. Usually.

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East Island / Re: Sigh...
« on: April 01, 2014, 06:45:42 PM »
2/3rds of the island has publicly declared they desire to not just beat up Sirion, but slaughter each and every last one of them, and replace the entire realm with "human kingdoms", or something like that.

Do you actually really believe what you say?
I mean seriously, where do you find these obvious facts for your argumentation?

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East Island / Re: Sigh...
« on: April 01, 2014, 01:50:48 PM »
Atanamir. This will be the last time i have the misfortune to read one of your illogical, fallacy ridden posts. Every thread you post in has its matureness reduced to that of a seven year old crying about not being able to eat desert before dinner. From this point on you will be ignored, and anyone with any sense will do the same.

And your actual point with regards to the content in the whole discussion was...? lol

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East Island / Re: Sigh...
« on: April 01, 2014, 10:13:10 AM »
You think Eponllyn didn't try? Perdan, and specifically the character of Atanamir, has cockblocked Eponllyn at every turn. And now when Eponllyn finally gets to move our home while keeping the realm's continuity (ie, not joining another realm to fight for them in the hopes we can colonize a new area because we know how well that works out historically in BM, especially on EI), its Perdan/Atanamir being the same old tyrants as when Eponllyn was upset about King Nigel's intervention and threats in Fallangard/Armonia/Eponllyn. If you as a player really wanted Eponllyn to have 'had more of the share' perhaps you would've let us figure that out on our own between us three instead of throwing your military/diplomatic weight around?

Sometimes I wonder about these high level complains.
Eponllyn doubled its land mass in the war against Armonia.
It got Itorunt basically without a fight.
Other realms fight to double their landmass for years.
You got it faster than you deserved it, complain to the people of Armonia who didn't give you a good fight and just handed it over.
But you want more, more, more...well at some point, it stops, and you have to wait till new oppurtunities arise.
Well now the glacier came and again you feel mocked around...eh well...what else can I say now...please go to Sirion, seriously.

I'm not saying Sirion was innocent in this time either, all they wanted was to use Eponllyn for its aims too, but in light of the glacier they were a lot more gracious to us than 'join us and hope you get a new realm in the future, but lose the old realm in the process and likely never get it in the end because players lose interest, times and priorities change, and Perdan just uses the characters for its ends without any real care for Eponllyn'. Seriously, the realm was somewhat neutral still until the last week character Atanamir/Perdan pushed Eponllyn straight into Sirion's arms. You praise character Atanamir's diplomatic skill, but if anything this has proven there is no diplomacy in character Atanamir, just threats, betrayal, lies, and tyranny.

Assumptions. Show me proof for what you say and I shall agree.

The only reason we're 'in your way' is because you're deciding we're in your way. It is not Eponllyn saying 'come at us SA', its SA insisting there's no other way than to attack Eponllyn. Seriously, with all Atanamir's spies, did you miss the part where we were discussing only insisting on being a buffer/not allowing SA/NA to travel through our new lands?

LOL Eponllyn receives from Sirion the most contested city of the continent and you wonder why you are in the way?
The most hilarious thing is that Garin thought the SA would have offered Oligarch as well to them.
See, Westmoor is a founding member of SA, and well, Oligarch is their strongest claim in a future war against Sirion, so why should they give the city suddenly to you?!
Eponllyn's strategic analysts should have done better their math before accepting the next best offer, because Westmoor would ask the SA to attack ANY realm that controls Oligarch asides of Sirion.
Oh and Atanamir has no spies, no worries. It is your interior problem if you have rebels who contact him and ask for help.

And I'd ask a moderator to delete that last line of yours since it is IC knowledge - which I didn't know (but could have guessed though).

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East Island / Re: Sigh...
« on: April 01, 2014, 09:16:28 AM »
I'll take a page from your book on this one: "I never called anyone a "brainless drone". I didn't name anyone, you're taking this all too personally. I'm not insulting anyone."

"Everyone is an actor reading from a publicly available script they refuse to change."
Is for me the same as calling someone brainless. Just with some few flowers around it.

And yeah, I did post something similar to the way I started this thread. And if you'll note from that post, and from this one here, I'm not the only one that feels this way. If it was just me, then sure, sour grapes, one random nutjob, whatever... But it's not. That prior post was written following an OOC message from the EC ruler's channel where the rulers of EC were bemoaning the fact of how EC was turning into a sucky place. (And I didn't start that conversation, either.) I stand by what I said back then. And nothing has changed.

I wasn't ruler back then. But I didn't see any other ruler going public about it.
You know why? Because there is no point. Only rulers can change some things, that's why it was discussed also in this channel.
There is no other point bringing this to the forum, than to beg or sympathy or someone's impotence to change things.
But that is not good for the game.
Leave some OOC conversations within the game, and start some things not at all on an OOC level and not on the forum at all.
Play the game and stop hurting it.
You complain on the one hand that we have not enough chars, on the other none will be joining Ec if he reads all this !@#$ here. Seriously.

Moving past all that, convince me that I'm wrong. Convince me that events on EC are not now where anyone could have predicted they would be, one year ago today. (Again, making allowances for the ice age event.) IC letters just point out how lock-step everyone is marching. I tried to break things up, and just got locked out. Yes, I failed to split things up, and effect some change to the political landscape.

You are old enough to recognise things alone.
If you still aren't able to, then leave better these things to others.
I do not need to tell you how to play or to convince to anything.
But Eponllyn could have had more of the share at many points of its lifetime, without being on side A or B.

It is quite entertaining to hear Atanamir say no one can fight Sirion 1v1. When Perdan had just as many players as Sirion they still brought their underlings along. So don't try to come up with some petty excuse.

Atanamir was not ruler then. That's not his (or my) pigeon.

Sirion has the most amazing defensive line ever seen. Even better than Astrum did on Dwilight.

And what happened to Astrum? Who were the Generals of Niselur and Asylon again...oh wait...Perdanese players.  ;)
This new SA had not yet her shot at Sirion's walls, so do not judge what has not yet happened.

And, yeah, sometimes you get a lot of negativity. Every time a ruler makes an important decision, they will *always* get negative attention. No matter which way Eponllyn went during this recent crisis, someone would have been screaming and yelling at me for doing the wrong thing. Same thing happened when we went to war with Armmonia. Or when we took Betholm. You have to realize that part of a ruler's job is to take that negative attention, and try to do something positive with it.

And that's your mistake as ruler.
You play a totally reactive ruler when you should play an active ruler.
As reactive ruler you always have to respond to situations or even worse, you look to legitimate things after they have happened.
It's like with chess. A good player has already set up his plan and has thought several moves ahead before he even starts the active part like taking a region or declaring a war.
And the plan should always include that negative attention is not being able to come up at all.
Communication is key here and communication is something that Eponllyn always lacked.

I agree that more realms = better game. But merely saying that "any duke can fix it" is a bit disingenuous.

Then let the SA do her job with Sirion and go out of our way! :D

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East Island / Re: Sigh...
« on: March 31, 2014, 08:44:08 PM »
Really? You have to bring IC insults on to the forum to attack the players?

You come here and say repeatedly that people are more or less brainless drones and just play by reading a publically available script.
You really expected to write such insults in here and that it won't backfire on you?
Excuse me but I have not played 10 years and shaped EC along with other great players to be called such things.
If you can't take the heat, then don't open the gas valve...

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East Island / Re: Sigh...
« on: March 31, 2014, 07:36:38 PM »

In EC, I can tell you, we don't have a Northern Alliance. But that will happen because of the Southern Alliance.

Sirion is an alliance for itsself.
A realm with 33 regions.
If someone wants to look for stagnation then look on the list of dead realms which are buried of these 33 regions.
The SA was only formed to be able to counter such an empire like Sirion has created.
And that is because as Indirik stated...

The low player count is what got us to where we are.

Perdan in old times with 100+ chars could taken on Sirion alone, which would leave other war options for the other realms open.
And there you would have your pluralism.
Now we can't, nor any of the other southern realms can, that's why we formed the SA.
Sirion is too strong, that's why realms have to work together.

But I will disagree with Indirik on another issue.
Eponllyn - without the glacier thing - could have done other things.
Eponllyn - now, with the glacier - could only choose between A or B, but that's not the fault of the other players or rulers.
It's the fault of Eponllyn for not taking things into the hand earlier.
If you are unhappy with something then change it yourself, do not wait for others to change it.

It's always the same Indirik, when you get the downside somewhere you come here to the forum whining and point with fingers at others, what a dejavu...
For those who can't remember the last time:

http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,4351.msg122317.html#msg122317

It is as with Garin IC, at least you keep us entertained with the lack of knowledge of the continent's politics. :P

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BM General Discussion / Re: April fool's event - Daimon!
« on: March 31, 2014, 11:08:21 AM »
I really hope it isn't just a joke that leaves people with a bunch of adventurers because that's a sure fire way to aggravate people who paused otherwise useful characters, lost units, lost positions, for nothing.

+1, one realm I am in already lost a lord due to this.
I also had to pause one char, no warning at all that the fake daimon counts as normal char spot.
Seriously, after the glacier thing, raising the popularity of the game (and the dev team) surely does not work this way...

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East Island / Re: Sigh...
« on: March 31, 2014, 10:41:07 AM »
Does anyone think that the EC has an exciting, dynamic political landscape? Honestly, I can't fathom why I ever wanted to be a ruler on EC again. This is the most boring landscape possible. Everyone know what side everyone else is on. And if you ask someone their opinion, you already know exactly what they're going to say. Everyone knows what the battle lines for the next war are going to be. There's no point in talking to anyone about it, because they all have their minds made up. There's no audience to play too, since there is no audience. Everyone is an actor reading from a publicly available script they refuse to change.

What the hell happened to the EC? It used to be my favorite island.  :(

I are disappoint.  :'(

If you think all of that, then why do you act IC as you do? :P
You could have had other options as well, I stated that about Eponllyn already some months ago in a thread here.
Don't ask which ones, I won't tell you how to play. :P
But don't go complaining about others only because you are inable to think outside of the box.
You think Atanamir is what he is because he accepted to read from a publically available script?
Or his father Fuinur? Hell, he once created even an alliance Perdan - Old Rancagua - Sirion...
But if you have thrown the towel already, then better make place for those who are more hungry to set a new mark.

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East Island / Re: Sigh...
« on: March 31, 2014, 10:34:13 AM »
I thirded Indirik's statement. It used to be my favorite continent, I have heard about Northern Alliance, Central Alliance and Southern Alliance. Now it is just a big two camps, of which the following sentence best describes the scenario "if you are not with us, you are against us".

You still have a choice though.

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Magistrates Case Archive / Re: OOC Insults Case Thread...
« on: March 28, 2014, 12:38:28 PM »
The Titans can be closed too, they seem as well not to respond to reports.

I wonder what does this period of missing regulation mean for the game, I can already see the character count rising again - and the amount of multicheaters as well.

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