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The Demise of Fontan
« Topic Start: May 26, 2012, 03:35:17 PM »
(For those of you wondering, I did not lock the other thread.)

With the death of Fontan imminent, I have to admit to being both happy and sad. It is too bad that another of the original realms is dying. But then again, it's about time. When I was in Fontan last year, they were the sorriest, most pathetic realm I had ever seen. Dead quiet, full of angry and bitter characters who had walled themselves off from the world.

Fontan could have been saved. Maybe something useful will be created where it used to be.
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Re: The Demise of Fontan
« Reply #1: May 26, 2012, 04:05:29 PM »
The only real difference between your analysis of Fontan last year and mine of them in 2008-9 when I was last there is the "dead silent" part (there was quite a lot of talk then, much of it recriminations, and most of the rest arguments attempting to convince the leadership to stop relying on the same strategies that consistently failed).

I say good riddance. The realm chose its own path a long time ago, was told repeatedly that it would lead to death, and has been walking it with dogged head-down determination ever since, despite all warnings and evidence of peril.
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Re: The Demise of Fontan
« Reply #2: May 26, 2012, 06:39:39 PM »
They just failed to adapt. Sirion turned into an economic socialist state to survive. I wonder where their nobles will go.

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Re: The Demise of Fontan
« Reply #3: May 26, 2012, 07:27:43 PM »
I am (cautiously) awaiting a mass-immigration to nivemus. Currently we have enough negativity flying around from ex-fontanese and their aurvandil buddies, and I am not really enthusiastic of having a new swarm of them in the realm. Will try to pick out the interesting ones and leave the rest for the colonies  :)

Not sure to which extent we can "choose" nobles though since they can join as much as they want... (unless we ban them, i suppose :) )
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Re: The Demise of Fontan
« Reply #4: May 27, 2012, 02:03:27 AM »
I never understood the obsession with fighting Sirion no matter what. Personally I like the Elves: they fight a clean war and those of their nobles I've interacted with have seemed much more characteristic of what Fontan should have been than many of those my characters have fought alongside.

It would have been nice if we could have mounted a valiant last-ditch defence of a well-defended city: something epic to underline the tragedy of Fontan's fall. Instead I'm expecting a fairly anaemic battle or two and the majority of nobles slipping away into the darkness.

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Re: The Demise of Fontan
« Reply #5: May 27, 2012, 05:42:38 AM »
I am (cautiously) awaiting a mass-immigration to nivemus. Currently we have enough negativity flying around from ex-fontanese and their aurvandil buddies, and I am not really enthusiastic of having a new swarm of them in the realm. Will try to pick out the interesting ones and leave the rest for the colonies  :)

Not sure to which extent we can "choose" nobles though since they can join as much as they want... (unless we ban them, i suppose :) )

Neji does not intend to allow Gabriella anywhere near Nivemus, and the same goes for all of the Flow priests. Other than that, not much 'choosing' will be going on.

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Re: The Demise of Fontan
« Reply #6: May 27, 2012, 06:27:52 AM »
That Brock character seems pretty evil.
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Re: The Demise of Fontan
« Reply #7: May 27, 2012, 06:43:05 AM »
That Brock character seems pretty evil.

Obviously we are not saying all Fontanese are evil(even though Neji knows Gabriella is). We are allied with Fontan and why would we ally with a bunch of evil people? We are just saying certain groups will not be allowed in Nivemus(probably those who have significant war crimes against Sirion and the Flow).

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Re: The Demise of Fontan
« Reply #8: May 27, 2012, 06:57:14 AM »
why would we ally with a bunch of evil people?

Same reason everyone else does. To fight someone you consider a larger threat.

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Re: The Demise of Fontan
« Reply #9: May 27, 2012, 07:02:10 AM »
Same reason everyone else does. To fight someone you consider a larger threat.

Considering we didn't do that, that's obviously not the case...

Edit: Besides, why would we do that? We have the most powerful realm on the continent on our side.  ;D
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Re: The Demise of Fontan
« Reply #10: May 27, 2012, 07:05:48 AM »
Well, you didn't really get the chance to, did you? Your ally's virtually dead, in large part because nobody helped them. Not even their ally.

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Re: The Demise of Fontan
« Reply #11: May 27, 2012, 07:12:37 AM »
Well, you didn't really get the chance to, did you? Your ally's virtually dead, in large part because nobody helped them. Not even their ally.

We considered helping them, but had Nivemus helped Fontan we would have just been clobbered by Perdan/Westmoor/Caligus. Besides, when the war started, we were still around 4 regions short of finishing our expansion and had fewer nobles than we had now, and our infrastructure was weaker.

It would have been Nivemus and Fontan(combined maybe 30K CS, and Fontan couldn't sustain that original 20K so less from there on out) against the Central Alliance(around 60K CS). We would have been a token force and not much else.
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Re: The Demise of Fontan
« Reply #12: May 27, 2012, 07:30:13 AM »
Considering we didn't do that, that's obviously not the case...

Edit: Besides, why would we do that? We have the most powerful realm on the continent on our side.  ;D
Most defensible, not most powerful.  Significant difference.  Especially with the new estate/tax system.  Didn't a bunch of Sirion's regions suddenly become much less profitable?

In truth, all it'd take is a duke (or the lords of several key regions) seceding or joining a neighboring realm and suddenly Sirion has a huge gap in its armor.

It's funny though, for as much as Sirion tries to portray others as evil/dishonorable, they seem to forget that the ganged-up war against them was due to them trying to sell out other realms (including Westmoor) out to Fontan.

...but I'm sure there was no legitimate reason for realms declaring war on Sirion when it was betraying its allies. :P

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Re: The Demise of Fontan
« Reply #13: May 27, 2012, 07:39:10 AM »
Most defensible, not most powerful.  Significant difference.  Especially with the new estate/tax system.  Didn't a bunch of Sirion's regions suddenly become much less profitable?

In truth, all it'd take is a duke (or the lords of several key regions) seceding or joining a neighboring realm and suddenly Sirion has a huge gap in its armor.

It's funny though, for as much as Sirion tries to portray others as evil/dishonorable, they seem to forget that the ganged-up war against them was due to them trying to sell out other realms (including Westmoor) out to Fontan.

...but I'm sure there was no legitimate reason for realms declaring war on Sirion when it was betraying its allies. :P

Westmoor an ally? Please.  ::) And the reason all those realms went to war with Sirion is because they wanted to fight in a war. Not because of some(most likely fabricated) excuse that Sirion was selling them out.

Sirion is neck and neck with Perdan population and food wise, produces the most gold, has the most nobles, is the most defensible, and probably has the largest mobile army and your telling me they AREN'T the strongest?

And just about any realm would have major defensive problems if a whole duchy seceded from their nation. But I suppose all realms die eventually. Fontan was the top dog at one point too.
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Re: The Demise of Fontan
« Reply #14: May 27, 2012, 07:44:17 AM »
The question then would be, why would Sirion's lords want to secede, when time and again it has been proven that no army can completely overcome Sirion's defenses?

EDIT: It's also good to note that Fontan's fall really began when Krimml seceeded. That was a funny episode.
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