ruler as a knight

[Stue (DC)]

ruler was holding estate in one region which is lost, and now he cannot offer oath to new lord as he "cannot change allegiance being a ruler".

how that works? can region lord offer ruler an oath and can he accept it?

[Anaris]

Yes, the ruler's place in the hierarchy is hopelessly screwed up.

The New Estates will fix that.

[Indirik]

how that works? can region lord offer ruler an oath and can he accept it?

Currently, no.

When elected ruler, you keep your oath. From what I understand from a few players is that the lord can even renegotiate the oath. However, the ruler cannot swear a new oath to another lord, and no lords can offer an oath to the ruler. Yes, it is a bit wacky

[cjnodell]

Wacky perhaps but I prefer it that way. I would even prefer that all council members be unable to have an oath (existing or new). It muddles the hierarchy more that I like.

[Shizzle]

Wacky perhaps but I prefer it that way. I would even prefer that all council members be unable to have an oath (existing or new). It muddles the hierarchy more that I like.

And no personal income? What about democracies, with shifting positions?

Good to see the Ruler's position will soon be fixed. Ruling a realm and swearing fealty to a region feels wrong :)

[Indirik]

And no personal income? What about democracies, with shifting positions?

Such is the price you pay for flexibility.

[Shizzle]

Surely the other councilors would swear fealty to the Monarch or Tyrant, and in a Republic or Democracy to the people, in a Theocracy to God? Having people outside of feudal hierarchy would be worse than it is now.

[Telrunya]

I believe all Nobles are aligned to a region now (with or without Estate), if I remember correctly. Rulers are aligned to a region in the same way. The Lord of that Region can offer the Ruler an Oath for an Estate via the Nobles aligned to this Region section. Others can't since then it tells you Government Members can't be send Oath Offers.

[Indirik]

I believe that if they don't already have an oath for a tax percentage, that they cannot be offered an oath. Renegotiation is a different process than offering an oath. And if you don't already have an oath for a tax percentage, then there is nothing to renegotiate.

[Chenier]

Currently, no.

When elected ruler, you keep your oath. From what I understand from a few players is that the lord can even renegotiate the oath. However, the ruler cannot swear a new oath to another lord, and no lords can offer an oath to the ruler. Yes, it is a bit wacky

Actually, there is.

I don't recall how exactly, but after our Premier was elected we managed to get him an oath in Paisly.

[Telrunya]

Yes, that was because Marche was still aligned to Paisly as a Noble (Losing his Duke position). Via the Nobles aligned to this Region section at the Your Knights page the new Duke of Paisly could still offer an Oath to Marche even though he was the Ruler (Offer Oaths page doesn't work). However I don't know if that's still the case.

[Shizzle]

I think so. My character in Fissoa recently was elected Ruler recently. He was offered an oath in the region he had previously been Lord of. So far I assumed the Ruler could receive a tax share in any region, so I guess I'm very lucky with my current position :)

So do most Rulers get their money out of the realm taxes?

[Sypher]

When one of my characters was King, the Dukes were transferring gold to him manually.

[Shizzle]

When one of my characters was King, the Dukes were transferring gold to him manually.

So much for being a sovereign ruler :S Though I guess having all Dukes pay you can force some peer pressure :)

[Tom]

this will soon change...