Sanguis Astroism

[Stabbity]

The charter also doesn't define the word "is". It's not a dictionary.

This.

[Feylonis]

The charter also doesn't define the word "is". It's not a dictionary.

Except "is" isn't the term being contested. "Theocracy", however, is.


There's a reason why debates have a part at the beginning wherein terms and concepts are defined. It provides a common ground for the debate to even begin, before splitting up into the different views. Otherwise, no debate is possible: We are debating regarding the merits of red over blue, but if your 'blue' is actually my 'green' because of a lack of definition, then the entire thing is pointless.

[JeVondair]

Except "is" isn't the term being contested. "Theocracy", however, is.


There's a reason why debates have a part at the beginning wherein terms and concepts are defined. It provides a common ground for the debate to even begin, before splitting up into the different views. Otherwise, no debate is possible: We are debating regarding the merits of red over blue, but if your 'blue' is actually my 'green' because of a lack of definition, then the entire thing is pointless.

Which is why I asked for the Church's definition of theocracy, as Articles X and XI don't provide one. I feel as though this whole thing hinges upon defining that IC. Have fun guys.

[Indirik]

Have fun guys.

Oh, definitely. However it turns out, much fun will be had.

[Penchant]

Saying "So bam" doesn't prove a point, especially when there is little, or no evidence or explanation backing any of your arguments.

Every SA theocracy is lead by a heretic? Let me check.... Oh wait, they're not. However, when you look at D'hara, it is beyond all doubts, a Monarchy. It has a King. Granted it has a constitution, and embraces some vaguely republican ideals, but it is still a monarchy.

FR had a chance to be a theocracy. They spit in the church's eye and chose to place Republican ideology above the Church. That is the most important thing everyone is missing here. If you place another ideal above the church, guess what the makes you? Not a theocracy. That is the absolute most defining portion of a theocracy, is that the Church is held above all else.

Theocracy means rule by God or gods and refers primarily to an internal "rule of the heart", especially in its biblical application... The common, generic use of the term, as defined above in terms of rule by a church or analogous religious leadership, would be more accurately described as an ecclesiocracy... An ecclesiocracy, on the other hand, is a situation where the religious leaders assume a leading role in the state, but do not claim that they are instruments of divine revelation.

As to D'hara, it is a monarchy, but simply stating it as a monarchy is extremely misleading as it is inaccurate, which I believe goes with FR. It is a republic yes, but it is truly a theocratic republic.

[Stabbity]

D'hara is a constitutional monarchy. FR is a "theocratic" republic. However Republic is the noun and thus what defines the government. Now if you had a Republican Theocracy, that would be different. Semantics yes, but FR made such a big deal about it when formed that semantics are important.

[Meneldur]

As to D'hara, it is a monarchy, but simply stating it as a monarchy is extremely misleading as it is inaccurate, which I believe goes with FR. It is a republic yes, but it is truly a theocratic republic.

A realm that has to be dragged kicking and screaming to pass even the most basic "theocratic" laws, hardly qualifies as "theocratic".

[JeVondair]

A realm that has to be dragged kicking and screaming to pass even the most basic "theocratic" laws, hardly qualifies as "theocratic".

Ahh, but they HAVE passed them...

[Geronus]

D'hara is a constitutional monarchy. FR is a "theocratic" republic. However Republic is the noun and thus what defines the government. Now if you had a Republican Theocracy, that would be different. Semantics yes, but FR made such a big deal about it when formed that semantics are important.

This!

[cenrae]

A realm that has to be dragged kicking and screaming to pass even the most basic "theocratic" laws, hardly qualifies as "theocratic".

Not so. All our laws came of FRs free will when requested by Vellos. The kicking and screaming came from the church when we passed the open preaching law which we then revoked by a new vote.

[Stabbity]

Passing an open preaching law and triggering serious debate about excommunicating your ruler for allowing a convicted heretic into the realm doesn't qualify as good theocratic behavior.

[Norrel]

the·oc·ra·cy 
/THēˈäkrəsē/
Noun
A system of government in which priests rule in the name of God or a god.


Theocracies don't exist in BM

[Vellos]

Wait, the Charter provides NO GUIDANCE WHATSOEVER ABOUT HOW TO DEFINE THEOCRACY?

Oh my goodness! What an ACCIDENTAL OVERSIGHT!

Wait a second... Astrum and Morek and Corsanctum don't abide by all the responsibilities listed?

ZOMG! How could the person writing the Charter have been so careless!

I don't know what to say, guys, this is all just one big terrible mixup that the Farronite Republic might be more eligible for theocratic status than Morek! I swear I didn't mean it!

[Daimall]

Why does everybody talks as if though Niselur did not exist?!? 

[Stabbity]

What's Niselur?