Sanguis Astroism

[Indirik]

Yes, Dorjan wad very disappointed that the war against SA did not gather much popular support. Too bad he didn't stick it through. He would have been happy with this outcome. Although i doubt he would have stopped, and instead just kept on going.

And yes, he started and deleted at least 6 accounts over the years.

[Chenier]

Why did Indirik pause? Woulda been good to have him around.

[Indirik]

I decide Brance's story was done, so i killed him. He starved to death in Libidizedd.

[Chenier]

A pity, the Church only woke up after his death, he'll never see the conclusion of the story.

[Lorgan]

On Arrakis: Most of the accomplishments in BM require you to spend a lot of time. If you're part of a likeminded group that's fine since you can delegate. If you're alone, against a behemoth like SA, it's a different story. He was ambitious and kept piling the hay on his fork, more than that, he's enthusiastic enough about BM to have been dragged into it multiple times. Sure, most (all) of us prefer to see the story through till the end but that doesn't mean someone should just keep on playing for our entertainment. If he's tired of it, let him quit. During the time he played at least he did stuff, changed things and inspired a ton of conflict.

[D`Este]

Wrong again. He left on his own. He was never excommunicated, although several people would have liked to do it.

Why is the church claiming he is then?

[De-Legro]

Why is the church claiming he is then?

Perhaps they are annoyed they never got the chance to, perhaps it fits their desired history better, or perhaps they are all bat!@#$ crazy and have convinced themselves of this alternate past.

[Chenier]

Doesn't need to be excommunicated to be called a heretic.

[Stabbity]

Why is the church claiming he is then?

Because they did. I remember it very clearly. He demoted himself from his elder rank, back down to full membership, and then he was kicked out. I remember jumping on this and demanded that he be given a trial by magistratum, and the response was "No magistratum, we all know he's guilty."

Indirik is wrong on this. Leopold was kicked from the Church. He was apart of Jonsu's congregation, and had no intent on leaving as he was interested in starting a schism  with me(back when Delvin had told me schisms would be implemented in three months tops).

[Chenier]

The logs say he demoted himself, but unfortunately, share no insight as to what happened next.

[Indirik]

Because they did. I remember it very clearly. He demoted himself from his elder rank, back down to full membership, and then he was kicked out. I remember jumping on this and demanded that he be given a trial by magistratum, and the response was "No magistratum, we all know he's guilty."

Indirik is wrong on this. Leopold was kicked from the Church. He was apart of Jonsu's congregation, and had no intent on leaving as he was interested in starting a schism  with me(back when Delvin had told me schisms would be implemented in three months tops).

Leopold was never formally excommunicated by the church. He may have been kicked out, but I don't think he was. But this was during the time when a bug kept everyone from leaving a religion (does this bug still exist?) and *everyone* had to be kicked out.

Now, people may claim that he was excommunicated for various reasons of their own. Some may mis-remember it, misunderstand what happened, or deliberately spreading misinformation. But he was never formally excommunicated.

[pcw27]

Wrong again. He left on his own. He was never excommunicated, although several people would have liked to do it.

Leopold was excommunicated. He stepped down willingly from the elder council but didn't leave the church. Jonsu left willingly.

[Indirik]

Leopold was excommunicated.

Not through any vote or trial. Some individuals may claim that, but it was never a decision of the elder council.

[Chenier]

No magistratum was held. The rest may be up to a matter of semantics...

[Vita`]

I too recall a letter from one of the elders (Mordaunt? Medugnats? Not 100% on which) kicking him out and declaring him excommunicated. But no, there was not a vote by the elders to my understanding (not that I would not, know being an elder, but it wasn't announced as 'vote from the elders', just as a church-wide order from an elder). Thus, Jonsu did protest the lack of voting.

TL;DR: elder declared Leopold excommunicated the church; elders didn't vote.