Paid curtier work

[mikm]

Would be nice if curtiers could get paid for the work they do.Payment would depend on the actual improvments they bring to a region.No change to region status means no payment.
Maybe the region lord could place some gold to be given out for curtier work on their region.Just like the monster and undead bounties are placed for adventurers.

[Indirik]

Nobles being paid for actual work? Bah! Paid work is for commoners.

[Zakilevo]

Is that the reason why we deleted the paid work option? I remember we used to be able to work for some gold when we had no gold.

[Shizzle]

I guess so

And if you're a courtier in need of money, just work for your own Lord and ask a raise or money transfers or get your own Lordship

[Telrunya]

Is that the reason why we deleted the paid work option? I remember we used to be able to work for some gold when we had no gold.

Yes and that was seen as very disgraceful and cost you honour and prestige

[mikm]

This is called a reward for active courtiers. Basically the region lord encourages courtiers.Managing an estate is the same.Knight manages an estate in the region and region lord pays him.Also region lord can kick out knight  as he pleases.The region with everything in it belongs to the region lord.A knight is merely hired help.

[De-Legro]

This is called a reward for active courtiers. Basically the region lord encourages courtiers.Managing an estate is the same.Knight manages an estate in the region and region lord pays him.Also region lord can kick out knight  as he pleases.The region with everything in it belongs to the region lord.A knight is merely hired help.

No, the knight is in a feudal contract of mutual obligations, though game mechanics aren't perfect in relaying this. It is completely different to the modern concept of paid work. For a courtier part of their obligation can be assumed to be courtier work, the details of which are left to the realm. To pay them a "reward" would be the same as posting some sort of gold pot for the region that warriors would get paid from every time they were part of defensive force in the region.

Also the Lord doesn't PAY anyone. The knight is entitled to the produce and wealth of the estate he holds. This is seen better in the new system where an estate is defined as a abstract percentage of the wealth of the region, which the knight collects and then pays tax on to his Lord as part of his obligation. Money goes UP the chain, Land and the wealth it can produce moves down the chain.

[mikm]

No, the knight is in a feudal contract of mutual obligations, though game mechanics aren't perfect in relaying this. It is completely different to the modern concept of paid work. For a courtier part of their obligation can be assumed to be courtier work, the details of which are left to the realm. To pay them a "reward" would be the same as posting some sort of gold pot for the region that warriors would get paid from every time they were part of defensive force in the region.

Also the Lord doesn't PAY anyone. The knight is entitled to the produce and wealth of the estate he holds. This is seen better in the new system where an estate is defined as a abstract percentage of the wealth of the region, which the knight collects and then pays tax on to his Lord as part of his obligation. Money goes UP the chain, Land and the wealth it can produce moves down the chain.

The region belongs to the lord.The knight doesn't really own anything.He just administrates an estate for his liege.Also the lord can "fire" him if he is not satisfied.

[vonGenf]

The knight doesn't really own anything.He just administrates an estate for his liege.

Not really; the knight swore fealty to the Lord. However, part of this oath gave him a status as a Knight; this is completely different than the status of commoner, who were in servitude, and freemen, who are paid for their work.

"Firing" a knight should always be a dishonour for both the fired and the firee (which does not mean it does not happen). Firing a worker is normal.

[mikm]

Not really; the knight swore fealty to the Lord. However, part of this oath gave him a status as a Knight; this is completely different than the status of commoner, who were in servitude, and freemen, who are paid for their work.

"Firing" a knight should always be a dishonour for both the fired and the firee (which does not mean it does not happen). Firing a worker is normal.

Misunderstandings can hapen considering how easily oafs are given and accpted.From what I've seen a lord will hire just about any noble that comes along.Would more intresting if knighthood was earned rather the given to any newcomer noble.

What about a knight simply leaving his liege?It hapens more often then the other situation.

[acrandal]

Instead of being paid to do courtier work, what about the option (random and increasing with the amount of improvement you've accomplished) to embezzle some of the region's monies?  It could be used to represent taking of bribes by the small nobility and merchants while you "cut the red tape" to their benefit.  If you take the bribes, there's a chance you get caught and your later work in the region will be less effective (as you've been undermining the improvements).

Just an idea.

[vonGenf]

Instead of being paid to do courtier work, what about the option (random and increasing with the amount of improvement you've accomplished) to embezzle some of the region's monies?  It could be used to represent taking of bribes by the small nobility and merchants while you "cut the red tape" to their benefit.  If you take the bribes, there's a chance you get caught and your later work in the region will be less effective (as you've been undermining the improvements).

Just an idea.

That's pretty much what infiltrators do.

[GoldPanda]

Nobles being paid for actual work? Bah! Paid work is for commoners.

Says the player of the former General of Darka. 

[De-Legro]

Says the player of the former General of Darka. 

War isn't work, it is recreational.

[GoldPanda]

War isn't work, it is recreational.

Sex is recreational too. We still call them "sex workers".