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« Reply #405: January 17, 2012, 09:57:41 AM »
So why don't we ship off to EC and bring the elves in? Fight fantasy with fantasy!!! I'm kidding of course. I feel like I've missed most of the clues... ;D

Though, maybe Soren stumbled onto something with his insanity after all...

1) If we assume that none of the invasions necessarily have the same monsters/dead/daimons, but variations of them, then there's a clue there as to what's going on, mostly based on what Overlord and his sons know, and their actions/concerns.

2) Executing the leaders brings in stronger Daimons, but aside from the different types of daimons on the field, the only active ones are the Sons and Overlord.

3) We have the reports of humans surviving in the Blight.

4) Most of the land blighting seems to be set up to make us panic, and reduce support for our armies than actually cutting off and killing us at the moment.

5) If we consider some of the background information to this war, then we should assume that the portal stones are our enemies, at the moment, and the books of Banishing are our best bet. That doesn't mean we should ignore the stones either, if they're as powerful as noted.

That's all I'm sharing OOC. Though Soren's been pondering over it long enough, I might share it IC soon.

I'll leave my thoughts on a possible clue here for the moment, so you all can consider it/Tom can laugh at my clueless mind.

***According to Tom, there's usually some connection between the invasions, but not necessarily a continued story. Yet, if we think about what was said by Overlord, there's a reason there are only Daimons here this time, and if we consider their comments on the Light, perhaps there's an interesting tie between the invasions after all.***
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« Reply #406: January 17, 2012, 12:53:27 PM »
I'm pretty sure that in the real world we don't periodically fight hordes of giant spiders that attack towns.

I'm pretty sure in our real world our "monsters" have changed along with the changing times.

Back in the Medieval days (like BM) there were many strange creatures because Europe simply hadn't seen that much stuff.

Modern world? Well, my dear boy, you are forgetting that our monsters of today, that invade our lives, and kill many, have been the enemies we have always fought yet only recently could see: Bacteria, viruses, and prions, three infectious agents, all organic, but not all "alive".

You really don't think those would be considered "fantasy"? Try going back in time to the Middle Ages in Europe where no one had invented even the simplest light microscope and try telling them that there was a tiny organism that infected their bodies and killed them from the inside (Well, they did have an idea of bacterial infections, and maybe even viral infections...don't get your hopes up for the viral infections though.)

But wait it gets better. Even if they buy into your description of bacteria, try describing viruses to them. Tiny things they can't see or touch, that are just cases of protein that carry genetic information (Haha, good luck trying to explain genes. Our good monk Mendel won't be around for another five hundred or so years). Then explain that these viruses might not even be considered alive, that all they do is present certain markers on their protein coats that allow them to infiltrate our bodies' cells and cause them to replicate the viral genome until the host's death. Also explain to them that some such viruses can survive for thousands of years in a dormant state.

And then try explaining prions to them. By the time you say "protein" you'd probably get a few looks. Even better when you try explaining that proteins form the necessary structural components of pretty much everything in our body. And then tell them about how those aren't actually alive either, but can still infect our brains, somehow tearing holes into the tissue and eventually leading to a painful and absolute death. Oh, and that there are no methods available either to them (Medieval people) or modern people, to denature or otherwise destroy those prions, and that once infected, death is certain.

The thing is, in our modern world, there is a different culture. Had we not gotten more into science and rational thinking, then our worldviews on stuff like tiny little invaders would be a lot different. And that raises a good point too. Why do we think that the "fantasy" analogues in our realm have to be within our scope? The whole point is that such supernatural things are unseen and rarely understood (Interestingly, for a good number of diseases we still don't know the 100% mechanisms.)

Also, for the macocosmic fantasy...Go talk to a theoretical physicist. Now that's some HIGH fantasy right there.

Now...further regarding the Blight, Soulforge, etc, to give a plausible explanation...

I think that a continental change is indeed possible, however, it requires a certain deal of open-mindedness even if Mr. Tom shoots it down. This is just a very non-IC theoretical poke (Look, whatever higher being out there doesn't go and tell the theoretical scientists of every era that has subsequently been proven wrong by later generations of humans that they're wrong. He/she/it/they pretty much sit back and watch the silly humans try to figure it out themselves, finding mistakes along the way to correct previous mistakes, but making new ones in the process.)

So here's the thing: Continental change is indeed possible, and indeed possible in such a short time period, via rapid and irresponsible use of different technology that exacts a cost on the land.

My theory: "Daimons" are not so much daimons, as the hallucinations formed by affected minds. The "daimons" could have true forms, which might in fact be that of the people who brought in the new technology. This does not mean that they had to have fantasy aspects. To the contrary, I would contend that nothing in BM actually says that the timeline of technological progress must be equivalent to the technological progress of our real world. And why should it? There were so many different factors that determined how our world progressed, just like how BM progressed. It is entirely possible that the world of BM came to know how to industrialize long before our real world did.

Now why does that matter? Well, because rapid and irresponsible industrialization does, in fact, have swift continental effects. We can even see it in our real world (Not going to name any names though). Only we managed to get in a lot of regulations somewhat on time (heh, global warming...)

Consider then the scenario in which industrialization occurs, people don't really understand it, use it irresponsibly, then discover that they can mass produce happy fumes. Look, I'm not saying that those BM people knew what the heck they were doing. Actually, to the contrary, they probably had no clue what they were doing, which is the whole reason the Blight formed in the first place. In our real world, most of the time WE don't even know what we're doing. A ton of discoveries were made because we had no clue what was going on, and were just lucky enough that whatever surprising thing happened didn't end up killing us, or at least not too many of us (Though sometimes they did)

So my thought is that Overlord is a drug lord and/or mad scientist, and his Soulforge is a code name for his mass producing system of labs that create hallucinogenic drugs that can be put into the air. The Blight is the result of increased pollution in the environment that had mutagenic properties, which had very rapid time-course. Do these things exist in the real world? Well, nothing we know of that acts so quickly...I think?

Anyway, the origin was that the original "daimons" were ambitious researchers who wanted to dominate the world or something (Hey, I never said the intent had to be that different). And so they decided to find something that could help them with that. When they discovered a way to make stuff that would cause fear in people and make them seem really powerful, they were like "Heck yeah!" and did it even more. That's why the Blight only started appearing in Inv 4. That's when they got a bit carried away.
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Re: Fifth Invasion
« Reply #407: January 17, 2012, 01:48:42 PM »
I'm sorry.

While this is an interesting thought-experiment, it misses the point of BM being a fantasy world in the "fantasy" sense of the word, not in the "unexplained phenomenon" sense. Those Daimons are really creatures from another plane of existence, and those undead really are undead, and those monsters really are abnormal (though not supernatural) creatures, not just some unfamiliar animals.

And then there's the magic scrolls we have, not just on BT.

Explaining actual magic in a game world with science is just as misguided as explaining real-world explainable events with magic.

In the real world, I'm a top skeptic and will gladly rip a darn big hole into your belief system if you try to talk to me about anything supernatural, "alternative", esoteric or religious. But in my fictional worlds, whether it's BM, some other computer game, a book, movie or whatever, I am looking for internal consistency, not real-world explanations (unless your book/movie/game claims to play in the real world).


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« Reply #408: January 17, 2012, 06:14:26 PM »
I just know that my character is loving the Invasion. Sitting on the walls of Fwuvoghor with blight all about me is delightful.

Now if only Melegra could get blighted too, I could be an island of light in a sea of darkness.
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« Reply #409: January 17, 2012, 07:01:28 PM »
melegra? forget melegra... wonder what will happen if you blight ardmore...
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« Reply #410: January 17, 2012, 07:27:08 PM »
Go for Kuugl :) Then watch as Enweil and Riombara start up their old feud with no means to reach the other!

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« Reply #411: January 17, 2012, 07:42:53 PM »
... that's not as bad as having your realm chopped in half with no way of reaching bits of it...
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« Reply #412: January 17, 2012, 08:01:46 PM »
melegra? forget melegra... wonder what will happen if you blight ardmore...

No, leave Ardmore, my poor peasants!

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« Reply #413: January 17, 2012, 11:15:07 PM »
No, leave Ardmore, my poor peasants!

They might be poor, but darn are they tasty... *eg*

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« Reply #414: January 17, 2012, 11:51:08 PM »
They might be poor, but darn are they tasty... *eg*

Its all that wholesome dirt they eat in lieu of food. Surprisingly a great seasoning.
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« Reply #415: January 18, 2012, 12:22:51 AM »
... that's not as bad as having your realm chopped in half with no way of reaching bits of it...

I've always wanted to secede....
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« Reply #416: January 18, 2012, 12:54:34 AM »
The peasants taste good because they are filled with the drugs (Actually, Frank Herbert's Dune anyone? The spices give limited prescience and blue glowy eyes). Actually come to think of it...

Get a bunch of holy women who remember their past lives, then pronounce a male child to be the Holy Kangaroo Rat. And have his successor get eaten by a big worm monster. And then you win.

Yay.

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« Reply #417: January 18, 2012, 01:07:48 AM »
The peasants taste good because they are filled with the drugs (Actually, Frank Herbert's Dune anyone? The spices give limited prescience and blue glowy eyes). Actually come to think of it...

Get a bunch of holy women who remember their past lives, then pronounce a male child to be the Holy Kangaroo Rat. And have his successor get eaten by a big worm monster. And then you win.

Yay.

Spice saturation creates blue eyes yes. When someone with the right DNA is exposed to lethal amounts of spice they can become prescient. Paul is named after the image that can be seen on one of the two moons of Arrakis, which just happens to be a desert rat. His son isn't eaten by a Sandworm, his son fuses with the larval form of sandworm to become a hybrid creature.
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« Reply #418: January 18, 2012, 01:14:24 AM »
Spice saturation creates blue eyes yes. When someone with the right DNA is exposed to lethal amounts of spice they can become prescient. Paul is named after the image that can be seen on one of the two moons of Arrakis, which just happens to be a desert rat. His son isn't eaten by a Sandworm, his son fuses with the larval form of sandworm to become a hybrid creature.

Well, aren't we Mr. Particular today.

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« Reply #419: January 18, 2012, 01:16:12 AM »
Well, aren't we Mr. Particular today.

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Why only today :)
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