Southern War of Nobility (Civil war in Madina)

[Chenier]

The only reason our regions revolt is because they are starving. If we have an extra 2000 bushels, then they won't revolt. Our rat-breeding peasants will double in number over the winter, giving us more gold, which we can then use to buy more food.

Indeed. Our regions revolt *only* when they lack food. And only Port Nebel revolts regularly, since 1) it doesn't make the income to truly be competitive with the other cities and 2) it's too far from the regions that actually sell food.

As such, our realms main food warehouses, Paisly and Port Raviel, are always both connected to each other and foreign markets while never having major control problems themselves.

[Phellan]

Indeed. Our regions revolt *only* when they lack food. And only Port Nebel revolts regularly, since 1) it doesn't make the income to truly be competitive with the other cities and 2) it's too far from the regions that actually sell food.

As such, our realms main food warehouses, Paisly and Port Raviel, are always both connected to each other and foreign markets while never having major control problems themselves.

D'Hara's food problems will disappear for the Winter I think.

[Chenier]

D'Hara's food problems will disappear for the Winter I think.

I think we are good for this winter indeed. We are approaching record food stocks, with a total population much lower than we had at the beginning of last winter. We are trying to figure out how to distribute food to minimize rot now, actually, and will invest in bigger warehouses.

[Nosferatus]

I think we are good for this winter indeed. We are approaching record food stocks, with a total population much lower than we had at the beginning of last winter. We are trying to figure out how to distribute food to minimize rot now, actually, and will invest in bigger warehouses.

just keep your markets open chenier ;)
spares me alot of clicking and writing letters.
And spares you the frustration of me piling up huge amounts of food to sell in one caravan the moment you open them again. :P

[Chenier]

just keep your markets open chenier ;)
spares me alot of clicking and writing letters.
And spares you the frustration of me piling up huge amounts of food to sell in one caravan the moment you open them again. :P

Don't worry, the stores will never close.

If ever we enlarge all of our warehouses and our imports are great enough to make our stocks exceed warehouse capacity, then we'll just start reselling, such as to the Zuma. A merchant empire that buys everyone's food and then resells the excess at higher price is what I dreamt of when I first joined Shadovar, and have been striving for ever since.

But for that Dwi will need a lot more rural realms to spring up, and we'll have to see very few large cities get colonized. We got a lot of food right now, but I'm still skeptical on whether we'll have much left after winter. And after all, our cities will regrow, and I doubt imports will increase faster than consumption enough for us to start the whole reselling game.

[Carna]

And after all, our cities will regrow, and I doubt imports will increase faster than consumption enough for us to start the whole reselling game.

Imports could well grow enough, if you look at the regions that Barca will be taking from now on. A second small city, one more woodland and the rest are either rural regions (Gallaecia, for example) or townslands. With the new estate system, expansion is likely to take place faster and Twainville is at minimal population. Taking into account Madina and Aurvandil, presuming the lands are not destroyed from war (unlikely, having to go through Candiels or the Tower first), I'd expect D'Hara could start reselling.

But if people caught on to D'Hara reselling, who's to say they'd keep selling to D'Hara rather than cutting out the middleman and making the additional gold themselves?

[Vellos]

Imports could well grow enough, if you look at the regions that Barca will be taking from now on. A second small city, one more woodland and the rest are either rural regions (Gallaecia, for example) or townslands. With the new estate system, expansion is likely to take place faster and Twainville is at minimal population. Taking into account Madina and Aurvandil, presuming the lands are not destroyed from war (unlikely, having to go through Candiels or the Tower first), I'd expect D'Hara could start reselling.

But if people caught on to D'Hara reselling, who's to say they'd keep selling to D'Hara rather than cutting out the middleman and making the additional gold themselves?

Because D'hara may have better caravan connections, better communication connections, and more reliable traders.

Specialization in being an intermediary can lead to producers and consumers becoming dependent.

[Carna]

Because D'hara may have better caravan connections, better communication connections, and more reliable traders.

Specialization in being an intermediary can lead to producers and consumers becoming dependent.

In other words, its easier. D'Hara will always buy your food and if they make an extra few gold but have to travel, good for them. Easier, and saner. I'm always of the opinion that the best interaction with the Zuma is no interaction with the Zuma. Doubt I'm alone there.

[Chenier]

Because D'hara may have better caravan connections, better communication connections, and more reliable traders.

Specialization in being an intermediary can lead to producers and consumers becoming dependent.

Precisely.

In D'Hara, *all* we think about is food. For most people, though, the less they have to think about food, the better. Most of the southern food producers can easily sell to D'Hara at a good price (too good?). But for them to sell to anyone else would be a whole other ball game as the lordly caravans wouldn't reach.

Besides, it's not as if the profits from the resell would outweigh the trade balance required just to feed our cities. It'll bring down costs, but overall our trade balance should remain negative.

[Nosferatus]

Plus easier food connection means less rot and more of your food beeing sold and more quicker.
I also think its really cool on Dwilight to have this kind of massive intriguing trade.

[Vellos]

Indeed, I dreamed when Dwilight was first founded of creating a peaceful merchant realm where Barca now is, and out westerly, for the purpose of exporting to the island cities.

Now, indirectly, that dream is coming true.

[Phellan]

Indeed, I dreamed when Dwilight was first founded of creating a peaceful merchant realm where Barca now is, and out westerly, for the purpose of exporting to the island cities.

Now, indirectly, that dream is coming true.

What do you think we have in Madina? :D

Ok, maybe not so peaceful. . but we totally love to export all our food ^.^

[Nathan]

Indeed, I dreamed when Dwilight was first founded of creating a peaceful merchant realm where Barca now is, and out westerly, for the purpose of exporting to the island cities.

I wanted to do the same where D'Hara is, but Shadovar beat me to it. When Madina was taking Paisly for the first time, I wanted to lead an expedition to take over the Ports and then run off with them for myself.

I didn't envision them being peaceful though, we were going to raid for a lot of our food and then sell it to other realms :D

[Chenier]

I wanted to do the same where D'Hara is, but Shadovar beat me to it. When Madina was taking Paisly for the first time, I wanted to lead an expedition to take over the Ports and then run off with them for myself.

I didn't envision them being peaceful though, we were going to raid for a lot of our food and then sell it to other realms :D

The thought of raiding has occurred, but I don't see it materializing themselves unless people decide to close their borders to us. Temptation only kicks in when we know the food is there but won't come to us or is going elsewhere.

After all, there's no way we can raid as much as we can buy. Raiding alone could never satisfy the islands' needs. And any raiding is bond to piss off other realms that would have maybe been open to sell to you. It's overall not a good strategy.

[Nosferatus]

The thought of raiding has occurred, but I don't see it materializing themselves unless people decide to close their borders to us. Temptation only kicks in when we know the food is there but won't come to us or is going elsewhere.

After all, there's no way we can raid as much as we can buy. Raiding alone could never satisfy the islands' needs. And any raiding is bond to piss off other realms that would have maybe been open to sell to you. It's overall not a good strategy.

Why is not an option, you can attack Aurvendil or Madina, there both busy with each other, perhaps lurians would even join the fun, then you could loot them too.