Nivemus vs. Perdan

[Zakilevo]

Westmoor spent the last two years of real-time trying to improve relations with the North. The problem is that no-one believes them. They bent over backwards to accomodate the wishes of Sirion during the first Westmoor vs Fontan war.

Not really. Westmoor wanted to keep Krimml -> Fontan told Sirion to keep her words -> Sirion did by crushing Thomas' Westmoorian army in their own land. ( I remember this because I was the general at the time. Plus for some reason Thomas made all his infantry units dig in which allowed me to lose only 2k CS for 12k CS.) -> After that things resolved the way Fontan wanted. They got their capital city back.

[Foxglove]

Arica was the General during the first Fontanese war, not Thomas. He was marshal of the Column. I can't remember who's idea the digging in was or even why we did it. There must have been some reason for it. To be honest, Sirion had 10,000 CS more than Westmoor in that battle in Oberndorf so it wouldn't have made much difference either way. Sirion's archers would still have cut us to pieces.

No, Westmoor did make every effort to keep in Sirion's good books during the first Fontanese war. The business with Krimml was what started the war - it's what came after that I was talking about. Westmoor did pretty much 90% of what the Sirionite Prime Minister of the day asked them to do in terms of restricting their attacks against Fontan. The problem was that it set up a situation where Fontan could attack Westmoor at will but Westmoor couldn't retaliate for fear of Sirionite intervention. The answer Sirion's Prime Minister gave was that Westmoor was strong enough to keep defeating the Fontanese armies on Westmoorian soil. Which was true, but frustrating.

[Zakilevo]

Indeed. Sirion would have won either way though if Westmoor had not dug in, they would have done more damage than 2k CS loss to Sirion.

[Eduardo Almighty]

People in Sirion hates Westmoor. For me it's reason enough to march and burn everything since they are doing the same with Nivemus. If Perdan cannot touch Sirion and Sirion cannot touch Perdan, then we will burn our "colonies"... sorry... I want to say our "allies". In this case, Westmoor and Nivemus.

About poor excuses, we have enough history to declare war, to burn or to do what we think right with Westmoor. We are not here claiming NPCs and commoners.

In past Erik said to OI to never join the south once again. Then, in right time, if they don't change their mind, Erik will find a way to move there and spread havoc. As you can see, it's about characters, not NPCs.

[Zakilevo]

People in Sirion hates Westmoor. For me it's reason enough to march and burn everything since they are doing the same with Nivemus. If Perdan cannot touch Sirion and Sirion cannot touch Perdan, then we will burn our "colonies"... sorry... I want to say our "allies". In this case, Westmoor and Nivemus.

About poor excuses, we have enough history to declare war, to burn or to do what we think right with Westmoor. We are not here claiming NPCs and commoners.

In past Erik said to OI to never join the south once again. Then, in right time, if they don't change their mind, Erik will find a way to move there and spread havoc. As you can see, it's about characters, not NPCs.

While Zaki is Erik's boss you ain't burning anyone mindlessly!

[Eduardo Almighty]

Erik don't have a boss, maybe a good friend. Even Ryu is just a friend, after all he's a former Knight. Erik just need to have someone there because he's too much aggressive for diplomacy. And I'm sure you prefer him instead of Ecthelion always dreaming and trying to convince the world that we are nice guys and not dragons.

[Zakilevo]

Erik don't have a boss, maybe a good friend. Even Ryu is just a friend, after all he's a former Knight. Erik just need to have someone there because he's too much aggressive for diplomacy. And I'm sure you prefer him instead of Ecthelion always dreaming and trying to convince the world that we are nice guys and not dragons.

Ecthelion does hinder many things...

[Turner]

Wait... Perdan declares war on Nivemus and attacks, with help of Westmoorian troops, and you consider Nivemus' declaration of war on Westmoor to be "random"? That. Doesn't seem very random.

Also, Sirion attacking Westmoor seems perfectly logical. Westmoor is at war with Sirion's ally, so why wouldn't Sirion attack Westmoor? Not attacking Westmoor would be stupidity in extreme. Given that Westmoor is attacking a Sirionite ally, the cancelling of a peace treaty should be at most a formality. I can't understand why you guys are trying to paint this as some massive breach of ettiquette or betrayal on Sirion's part.

Because its bad form and poor IC otherwise.

[Indirik]

And plotting to have a neutral realm's monarch overthrown and replaced with your own patsy is just ducky, eh?

[Eduardo Almighty]

It's funny to see the southern perspective... comical.

[Draco Tanos]

And plotting to have a neutral realm's monarch overthrown and replaced with your own patsy is just ducky, eh?

You mean something that was even only mentioned in passing when Armonia was getting antsy around Eponllyn? 

[Ketchum]

I laughed so hard I think I snorted my drink through my nose.

I bet Westmoor didn't protest very hard about Perdan violating neutral territory, did they?
So you agree that Nivemus has cause to declare war on Westmoor. Good, then we all agree on that point. Therefore the "random" part of your claim seems to be that they have not declared war on OI or Armonia. Not being in Nivemus, I can only guess at their reasons. But just because I don't know them doesn't mean I'm going to call them out for inconsistent RP, or random behavior. There are several reasons I can think of for not declaring the war. Among the biggest is that there not being a state of war hampers Armonia and OI to a large extent, and only helps Nivemus. It greatly reduces OI and Armonia's usefulness to the southern coalition.

Perdan does not have any bordering lands near Nivemus and Perdan declare war on Nivemus. Then Perdan use Westmoor lands to travel through and war with Nivemus. Then add on with the Westmoor army joining Perdan army in the biggest battle in Oberndorf, Nivemus land in fact. If Westmoor truly believe Westmoor can get away with Peace after what Westmoor did, they are clearly misleading.

Nivemus already explains their reason for declare war on Westmoor. I do not think Westmoor accept it IC and OOC. Best leave it at that.

[Draco Tanos]

Perdan does not have any bordering lands near Nivemus and Perdan declare war on Nivemus. Then Perdan use Westmoor lands to travel through and war with Nivemus. Then add on with the Westmoor army joining Perdan army in the biggest battle in Oberndorf, Nivemus land in fact. If Westmoor truly believe Westmoor can get away with Peace after what Westmoor did, they are clearly misleading.

Nivemus already explains their reason for declare war on Westmoor. I do not think Westmoor accept it IC and OOC. Best leave it at that.

Westmoor does the same thing as Sirion, yet is the bad guy?  Right.  Keep dreaming, Pokemon.

[Turner]

Exactly, its fine if "Sirion" does it, but if someone else does, oh no, cant have that can we.

Geez.

[Atanamir]

I laughed so hard I think I snorted my drink through my nose.

I bet Westmoor didn't protest very hard about Perdan violating neutral territory, did they?

Westmoor and Perdan are allies.
If people would do their maths better before posting every unqualified comment, then this forum would be much more interesting to participate.
Or if they just don't know, maybe just stay out of discussions.  ;)