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I Hate Food

Started by Indirik, February 25, 2013, 03:52:00 PM

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egamma

Quote from: Kai on May 29, 2013, 07:28:00 AM
If food were actually scarce, why would you do anything but horde whatever thin margin you get? Trade it for gold so you can go out and kill whoever you sold food to?

You've described the situation on Dwilight for the past 3 years.

trying

And then when there's a war both sides just end up starving to death.

Buffalkill

Quote from: Kai on May 29, 2013, 07:28:00 AM
If food were actually scarce, why would you do anything but horde whatever thin margin you get? Trade it for gold so you can go out and kill whoever you sold food to?

You would try to horde it while others would try to take it from you.

Anaris

Quote from: Buffalkill on May 31, 2013, 02:21:48 PM
You would try to horde it while others would try to take it from you.

No, you would try to hoard it, while any others who were low enough to need to take it from you would simply starve to death because war while starving is pretty darn near impossible.
Timothy Collett

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Indirik

Quote from: Anaris on May 31, 2013, 02:28:08 PM
.. war while starving is pretty darn near impossible.
Doing *anything* while starving, other than dying, is impossible. It's just the way the mechanics of starvation work. Once it starts, you only have a few days to get food to the region before everything goes to hell.
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Deytheur

Quote from: Indirik on May 31, 2013, 02:59:35 PM
Doing *anything* while starving, other than dying, is impossible. It's just the way the mechanics of starvation work. Once it starts, you only have a few days to get food to the region before everything goes to hell.

And even then you spend a week hanging on the brink while it gets distributed.

Kwanstein

Or you could cut unsustainable regions loose, in order to preserve the rest.

That is what I would do if this were a single player strategy game.

Anaris

Quote from: Kwanstein on June 01, 2013, 04:42:26 PM
Or you could cut unsustainable regions loose, in order to preserve the rest.

That is what I would do if this were a single player strategy game.

Except that the "unsustainable" regions tend to be the ones that actually produce the gold you need to fight wars...

Bread doesn't buy weapons.
Timothy Collett

"The only thing you can't trade for your heart's desire...is your heart." "You are what you do.  Choose again, and change." "One of these days, someone's gonna plug you, and you're going to die saying, 'What did I say? What did I say?'"  ~ Miles Naismith Vorkosigan

Indirik

Quote from: Kwanstein on June 01, 2013, 04:42:26 PM
That is what I would do if this were a single player strategy game.
Single player strategies rarely, if ever, transfer over to multi-player games. It is extremely rare to find a live opponent as stupid as a game AI.
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Dante Silverfire

Quote from: Indirik on June 01, 2013, 09:29:13 PM
Single player strategies rarely, if ever, transfer over to multi-player games. It is extremely rare to find a live opponent as stupid as a game AI.

You're right. Most of the time by making multiple people work together online, you make them dumber than a game AI.
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Quote from: Dante Silverfire on June 04, 2013, 10:18:33 PM
You're right. Most of the time by making multiple people work together online, you make them dumber than a game AI.

I really think people don't realize that the AI in games is purposely dumbed down... otherwise you'd have AI that aim-botted and reacted instantly.

Hroppa

Gustav, it obviously varies by genre. Targeting a point in 3d space is mathematically simple, so AI can beat humans in FPSs. In strategy games, tho, AI often struggle to behave rationally, or sometimes even vaguely understandably (Total War diplomacy, take a bow).

Gustav Kuriga

Quote from: Hroppa on June 05, 2013, 12:24:52 AM
Gustav, it obviously varies by genre. Targeting a point in 3d space is mathematically simple, so AI can beat humans in FPSs. In strategy games, tho, AI often struggle to behave rationally, or sometimes even vaguely understandably (Total War diplomacy, take a bow).

Oh, that I'll agree with you on (fellow Total War veteran here, so I know what you mean).

Ketchum

Quote from: Kwanstein on June 01, 2013, 04:42:26 PM
Or you could cut unsustainable regions loose, in order to preserve the rest.

That is what I would do if this were a single player strategy game.
Or if you have surplus food, you can sustain another region.
Looking on the bright side, food or gold 8)

Quote from: Anaris on June 01, 2013, 05:30:32 PM
Except that the "unsustainable" regions tend to be the ones that actually produce the gold you need to fight wars...

Bread doesn't buy weapons.
Bread doesn't buy weapons aye ;D
But bread can starve the region into revolt. It does take sometime for the region to revolt after starving. I have been playing at a realm where we have war until the enemy border regions are driven rogue, some in part due to us constantly looting the region food for replenish our unit provision.

But if you have less men on battlefield, then bread doesn't buy weapons. Becos you will need gold and lot of it to recruit more men.
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Buffalkill

Quote from: Indirik on May 31, 2013, 02:59:35 PM
Doing *anything* while starving, other than dying, is impossible. It's just the way the mechanics of starvation work. Once it starts, you only have a few days to get food to the region before everything goes to hell.

So get food before starvation sets in. You don't wait until cupboards are bare before you go shopping. That reminds me...I need to go shopping.