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What's your favorite unit to command? Feel free to explain why!

Nothing screams "I am a successful noble and you have work to do before you even come close" like leading a 100-men ranged special force unit that can take on a whole army by itself.

I like cavalry, massive hits/gold ratio, at least sometimes. Even if your unit is often decimated soon after. SF as close second, because it's just cool to show off with a 1500CS+ unit :P also, I've had some great regeneration rates: 70 men unit, 69 wounded one dead, all but a few recovered in 2-3-4 turns. Never used MI or ranged SF. Every now and then I get large archer/infantry units, for TOs or sieges

I like me some good SF. The variety that exists between them intrigues me. :)

But overall I'd say: any melee type of unit.

I've got to say cavalry. Nothing makes me seek out open field battles as much.

whatever unit type I need at the moment. It could be archers, SF, or infantry. I only had one character that routinely used cavalry. I usually avoid MI, but I am trying them out with the new behavior for MI.

I would say that my favorite unit to command is infantry, because I like being part of the backbone of the army.

Quote from: Indirik on June 01, 2012, 05:04:26 PM
whatever unit type I need at the moment. It could be archers, SF, or infantry. I only had one character that routinely used cavalry. I usually avoid MI, but I am trying them out with the new behavior for MI.

Mixed Infantry are the perfect unit for fighting rogues. Unfortunately this mainly makes them valuable on Dwilight, and if the rogue spawning was at old levels, they would be awesome!

Gotta go with SF with 100 weapons.  Having upwards of 60-80 in a unit is wonderful. :)

Quote from: Foundation on June 01, 2012, 06:54:49 PM
Gotta go with SF with 100 weapons.  Having upwards of 60-80 in a unit is wonderful. :)

Yep. I am leading them now. Pretty impressive. But really expensive to maintain.

Mixed Infantry. They're like cheap SF.

Quote from: Zakilevo on June 01, 2012, 06:57:49 PM
Yep. I am leading them now. Pretty impressive. But really expensive to maintain.

Flaunting your personal wealth is extremely satisfying.  :P

In general I like MI as they're flexible. Ranged SF being like MI on steroids are even more fun :)

Quote from: Foundation on June 01, 2012, 07:04:48 PM
Flaunting your personal wealth is extremely satisfying.  :P

Exactly! Nothing like showing off that your a powerful duke, except running around with 75+ men SF units with 95/95 stats.

Except maybe running around with a 115 man cavalry unit as only a knight. That was pretty awesome. I must say I love cavalry the most. Seeing that hit for 2000+ hits in a single round from one unit is just too good to beat. Although I think having only led the same cavalry unit for over 3 real life years on one of my characters has something to do with that.

A large cavalry unit is fearsome. I remember when Perdan was sieging Tuchanon V in Isadril, King Sangue and his unit of about 80 Black Knights single-handedly blockaded Isadril while the Perdan army went home to refit. He trotted back and forth between the three border regions, and attacked anyone who dared to poke their head outside the city.

Quote from: Indirik on June 02, 2012, 01:30:21 AM
A large cavalry unit is fearsome. I remember when Perdan was sieging Tuchanon V in Isadril, King Sangue and his unit of about 80 Black Knights single-handedly blockaded Isadril while the Perdan army went home to refit. He trotted back and forth between the three border regions, and attacked anyone who dared to poke their head outside the city.

Crazy expensive to replace, though, after big battles, and not optimal against fortifications.

I like archers for how easy it is to get over a hundred of them without even trying, though archers are far from the strongest and from the most prestigious troops to have.

Quote from: Chénier on June 02, 2012, 02:25:34 AM
Crazy expensive to replace, though, after big battles, and not optimal against fortifications.

I like archers for how easy it is to get over a hundred of them without even trying, though archers are far from the strongest and from the most prestigious troops to have.

I commanded 177 archers against Daimons at one point. They weren't hitting that hard. Expected them to hit at least 1000 but they were around 700 at max. Very disappointing but they did tank Overlord's ranged attacks.

I used a decent sized archer unit when the daimons tried to sack Firbalt. On skirmish formation my archers took at least three full hits from the ranged daimons before it got wiped out. Very effective in dealing with them.

Yeah. Until Overlord brought flying cavalries shooting arrows. Bloody mongolians.

I'm fond of wandering around with giant infantry units. They're not the best at anything, but they're flexible. Had one unit that lasted for nearly a year on Beluaterra and got the Captain up to +15 or so skill; RIP Captain Eodred and the Iltaran Huscarls.

Big Cavalry units for that devastating charge. Those just make you giddy with joy.

Cavalry for life!

Quote from: Zakilevo on June 02, 2012, 03:25:57 AM
I commanded 177 archers against Daimons at one point. They weren't hitting that hard. Expected them to hit at least 1000 but they were around 700 at max. Very disappointing but they did tank Overlord's ranged attacks.

I agree, they aren't that good in combat.

But cheap to get lots of, great for takeovers and looting.

Special Forces for Daimon-bashing, for sure. Doing Cavalry Charge hits in toe-to-toe melee is pretty great. I do like Cavalry, even a small, cohesive unit is pretty dangerous, but historically they were generally the kings of the battlefield anyways and I'll always cast my vote for the dark horse.

@Marlboro:

QuoteSpecial Forces for Daimon-bashing, for sure. Doing Cavalry Charge hits in toe-to-toe melee is pretty great.

Plese provide battle reports to support this.

Quote from: Indirik on June 03, 2012, 03:24:47 AM
@Marlboro:Plese provide battle reports to support this.

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Your scribe has no battle reports.

:(

Wish I'd saved the Pomatim ones, where my character's 45-person unit was hitting for 1.4K-1.6K on Horrors. There was cavalry involved too but their charges weren't hitting as hard as that, and I remember my SF did the two highest non-Daimon-dealt hits in that battle.

Really it's rare that they don't hit for over 1K, though they occasionally hit for a paltry 700-800.

Edit: I've posited in a different thread that this might be due to that particular brand's hidden special ability, so I'm guessing these results are not by any means typical. Still, if you can find their niche, they totally kick ass.

Has there ever been a thread for the largest unit ever commanded?

Quote from: Foundation on June 03, 2012, 05:36:00 AM
Has there ever been a thread for the largest unit ever commanded?

I know there was a wiki topic about the records of it.

If we did largest unit ever commanded it would need to be split up by what type of unit. 100 SF are more impressive than 100 archers.

Quote from: Dante Silverfire on June 03, 2012, 05:41:20 AM
I know there was a wiki topic about the records of it.

If we did largest unit ever commanded it would need to be split up by what type of unit. 100 SF are more impressive than 100 archers.

A hell of a lot more expensive, too.

Quote from: Dante Silverfire on June 03, 2012, 05:41:20 AM
I know there was a wiki topic about the records of it.

If we did largest unit ever commanded it would need to be split up by what type of unit. 100 SF are more impressive than 100 archers.

http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Records_of_BattleMaster (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Records_of_BattleMaster)

Highest CS:
3730cs by Sceptre Meadowcrest from W Sirion, East Continent (2003) -- Sceptre 5 Feb 2006
Biggest Infantry unit:
319 Infantry led by Duke Zane of Outer Tilog, Colonies (2006) - Revan
Biggest Archer unit:
288 Archers by Bob Baceolus of Melhed, Beluaterra, March, 2008 --Vita Family 15:59, 1 November 2008 (CET)
Biggest Cavalry unit:
320 by Sceptre Meadowcrest from W Sirion, East Continent (2003) -- Sceptre 5 Feb 2006
Biggest Mixed Infantry unit:
Aldo Unti of Melhed fielded 200 Palace Guards, under the banner "A Tree" during the Great War at the siege of Mhed. About March 2005 --Dalakar 03:13, 16 January 2007 (CET)
Biggest Special Forces unit:
105 SF fielded by Bob Baceolus of Melhed, Beluaterra (October 31, 2008) --Vita Family 10:28, 1 November 2008 (CET)
Biggest Peasant unit Commanded:
959 and 958 by Sceptre Meadowcrest from W Sirion, East Continent (2003) -- Sceptre 9 June 2006

Perhaps we should include a new record system for after the restrictions via honour/prestige?

Some of those dates are really old. Can people still recruit that many cavalry units?

Quote from: Zakilevo on June 03, 2012, 07:11:52 AM
Some of those dates are really old. Can people still recruit that many cavalry units?

That's what I'm saying. It was before the restrictions were put in place. It would be impossible to recruit that many cavalry under the current rules without at least 1500 honor.  or more perhaps.

Biggest Special Forces unit:
105 SF fielded by Bob Baceolus of Melhed, Beluaterra (October 31, 2008) --Vita Family 10:28, 1 November 2008 (CET)

That was the Random Untrained Guys With Forks right? They were still kicking around up until a couple months ago, so if that's the all-time record just makes it even more impressive.

... you can recruit over your max limit by finding volunteers.

Those are pretty old stats, anyone can beat those? :)

well.. there's a guy with over 1k honor and 48 prestige in melhed... he could probably recruit a ton of sf.

there's another guy with 300 odd honor buy 80 odd prestige.. (eh?)

funny how my priest/courtier (was mostly courtier, now priest) character has joint 3rd highest prestige in bt. the latest point (50) came from investment.... a load of old farts hogging the tables.

Uh that melhed guy is the guy who is still holding the record I believe. Him and Sceptre(?) Meadowcrest on EC.

Many years ago, prestige was much easier to get. Like, as easy as honor. This changed 7 or more years back. The people you see running around with >60 or so prestige are dinosaurs from those prehistoric ages.

Is Prestige harder to get the more you have of it?

Yes. Much.

Is that affected by Unique items? So if you have, say, 35 Prestige and +10 in Uniques, does the game consider you to have 35 Prestige or 45 in terms of how difficult it is to earn more?

Quote from: Indirik on June 03, 2012, 06:32:40 PM
Many years ago, prestige was much easier to get. Like, as easy as honor. This changed 7 or more years back. The people you see running around with >60 or so prestige are dinosaurs from those prehistoric ages.

lol dinosaurs.

And yes it is so hard to get any prestige once you go over 45. After 45, you won't get prestige from fighting monsters and undeads anymore even against same sized units.

I don't know if uniques affect it. Off the top of my head, I would say they do.

Quote from: fodder on June 03, 2012, 09:39:43 AM
... you can recruit over your max limit by finding volunteers.

But not that much. I mean you'd need hundreds of volunteers.

I have >500 Honour and 40 prestige, and my character can only recruit 115 cavalry.

Are you a Cavalier? That adds a significant amount to recruitment limits.

Quote from: Velax on June 03, 2012, 07:36:11 PM
Are you a Cavalier? That adds a significant amount to recruitment limits.

Yes, I'm a cavalier.

Holding unique items is equivalent to you gaining that amount of prestige, making it harder to gain more.

I have long been of the opinion that we should change that. Not that it's a high priority.

Quote from: Dante Silverfire on June 03, 2012, 07:18:55 PM
But not that much. I mean you'd need hundreds of volunteers.

I have >500 Honour and 40 prestige, and my character can only recruit 115 cavalry.

don't know. i know my hero (301/44) fielded 81 sf (including a few above limit volunteers) a few days ago. so adding another 20 odd to beat 105 shouldn't be impossible.

obviously.. he's now down to <20.... but hey.. XD

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now back at 79...

For me 2k CS range unit :D



Peace!

All MI, all the time.

Quote from: fodder on June 03, 2012, 10:24:46 PM
don't know. i know my hero (301/44) fielded 81 sf (including a few above limit volunteers) a few days ago. so adding another 20 odd to beat 105 shouldn't be impossible.

obviously.. he's now down to <20.... but hey.. XD

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now back at 79...

SF are a different matter, I'm talking about cavalry. I can recruit 81 SF myself, but I can't recruit 200 cavalry, or even close.