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BattleMaster => Locals => Dwilight => Topic started by: Andrew on April 21, 2012, 04:24:40 AM
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Letter from Allison Kabrinski (just in)
Message sent to the Rulers of Dwilight (18 recipients)
Rulers of Dwilight this is an auspiscious day! Brom Silverfire and I are engaged to be married. Plans will be made for a wedding and you all will be invited!
Lady Allison Kabrinski, Priestess of Sanguis Astroism
Grandmistress of Kabrinskia, Duchess of the Maddening Star, Margravine of Golden Farrow
... I can't wait to see how this plays out.
Regardless, it's hilarious to me.
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Right!? Talk about left field.
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I've renamed this topic. I think by now he deserves his own topic.
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Umm.... ahhh... So you see... BOOM!!!
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I just threw up in my mouth a little.
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Oh dear god no. Allison marrying Brom...
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Best thing EVER!
Dwilight is ours!
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So what's their celebrity nickname? Allibrom?
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Brollison.
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.... really?
Did this actually have any IC RP behind it?
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.... really?
Did this actually have any IC RP behind it?
Of course there is IC RP behind it. Not that its public RP, but there is.
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Well, it wouldn't be the first time a Queen conspicuously tips over a balcony when Brom is around...
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Of course there is IC RP behind it. Not that its public RP, but there is.
IC RP that predates forum chatter?
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Best thing EVER!
Dwilight is ours!
Don't gloat just yet. Brom's a nobody in SA, so if Allison disappears in the next little while you'll find yourself somewhat alone I suspect. Lysander for example doesn't really know anything about Brom other than that the Solarians hate his guts, which isn't calculated to make him popular or anything. ;)
If Allison sticks around, well, that's a different story. She's got more than enough influence to force SA to accept you and even acknowledge you as a potential power player... Could be interesting.
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Allisson befriends Daimons. Brom has known ties to the Zuma. They get married.
Looks like FangFang came up with a weird festish/request :P
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Don't gloat just yet. Brom's a nobody in SA, so if Allison disappears in the next little while you'll find yourself somewhat alone I suspect. Lysander for example doesn't really know anything about Brom other than that the Solarians hate his guts, which isn't calculated to make him popular or anything. ;)
If Allison sticks around, well, that's a different story. She's got more than enough influence to force SA to accept you and even acknowledge you as a potential power player... Could be interesting.
I'm not gloating(yet). I will say though that regardless of the turnout, I am very happy with how much fun this issue is already setting me up to have with many different characters across multiple realms.
Also, you're argument is flawed in the case that you're assuming Brom's only powerful contact in SA is Allison. Not that you'll be learning who the others are, but hey the more the merrier eh? Also, he'll certainly be making sure to do everything to keep Allison around if at all possible. Kind of has an important reason to at this point.
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Well, it wouldn't be the first time a Queen conspicuously tips over a balcony when Brom is around...
Or a King was poisoned. Or a rebellion—or four—hatched.
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The Silverfire family is like the bad guys in the cartoons. So many schemes so many fails.
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And he would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those meddling Lurians!
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Well, it wouldn't be the first time a Queen conspicuously tips over a balcony when Brom is around...
That was the most dumbfounded moment in my BM history. Trying to RP that one safely was ridiculous. She certainly didn't make things easy for me.
The Silverfire family is like the bad guys in the cartoons. So many schemes so many fails.
Hey, hey hey, Brom's the only one like that in the group. At least that you'll catch. Good luck trying to catch Merlin in a scheme. (At least those not foiled by bugs)
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I think it's about time Hrok sent the man a wedding gift.
Maybe one of those legs...
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The Silverfire family is like the bad guys in the cartoons. So many schemes so many fails.
So... Brom is Wile E. Coyote? Then who's Road Runner? :o
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That was the most dumbfounded moment in my BM history. Trying to RP that one safely was ridiculous. She certainly didn't make things easy for me.
Shouldn't have poisoned Katerina's husband you scoundrel - you were her best-friend, and you deserved to watch her die! :P
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So... Brom is Wile E. Coyote? Then who's Road Runner? :o
Everyone else.
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Shouldn't have poisoned Katerina's husband you scoundrel - you were her best-friend, and you deserved to watch her die! :P
Katerina should have seen Brom was a much better option. On the other hand, I gave him the antidote and he wasn't doing that great being King anyway. The realm could have easily been saved with Katerina not jumping out a window.
On the other hand, I would have never done it if I'd known they were engaged. Was really left without any options past a certain point though.
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Katerina should have seen Brom was a much better option. On the other hand, I gave him the antidote and he wasn't doing that great being King anyway. The realm could have easily been saved with Katerina not jumping out a window.
On the other hand, I would have never done it if I'd known they were engaged. Was really left without any options past a certain point though.
Brom was friendzoned, and he never made any moves on Katerina. Even then, it wasn't about saving the realm, but the tragedy in losing one's husband to-be at the hands of a traitor.
Don't worry about it though, I'll just go poison Allison and watch you jump off a balcony ;D.
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Brom was friendzoned, and he never made any moves on Katerina. Even then, it wasn't about saving the realm, but the tragedy in losing one's husband to-be at the hands of a traitor.
Don't worry about it though, I'll just go poison Allison and watch you jump off a balcony ;D.
Traitor is really harsh. Brom was nothing but a servant of the realm for the entirety of his time in Pian. (note: not servant of the King/Queen, but of the realm) The King needed replacement, and so it got done.
Try that though, not sure it'll work out as you want it to. Mine certainly didn't.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Traitor is really harsh. Brom was nothing but a servant of the realm for the entirety of his time in Pian. (note: not servant of the King/Queen, but of the realm) The King needed replacement, and so it got done.
I've seen that expression very often, and always wondered what it meant, "servant of the realm, not of the King/Queen". So far it has seemed to be "servant of oneself", to me.
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So... Brom is Wile E. Coyote? Then who's Road Runner? :o
D'Hara, considering everyone wants to get their hands on us but none of them actually did it.
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I've seen that expression very often, and always wondered what it meant, "servant of the realm, not of the King/Queen". So far it has seemed to be "servant of oneself", to me.
What it means is, "I know how to run this place better than those idiots! If only everyone would listen to me, and do what I say, we wouldn't be having these problems! I'll show them all! THE FOOLS!!!!"
(So, basically, it means he's a traitor, especially in a Monarchy. In a Republic-style realm, he could make a case that he wasn't, but if he failed to win an election, then he was also not just against the Ruler, but against the people, so it kind of loses its punch.)
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I find Brom quite entertaining. We need trouble-makers, they make things interesting.
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What it means is, "I know how to run this place better than those idiots! If only everyone would listen to me, and do what I say, we wouldn't be having these problems! I'll show them all! THE FOOLS!!!!"
Thank you for understanding so well. I'll just ignore that second line, because it obviously wasn't meant for Brom. [/Sarcasm]
I find Brom quite entertaining. We need trouble-makers, they make things interesting.
Gotta love a fan club.
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So the question becomes: Is Brom getting closer to "Most Hated" on Dwilight yet? I mean we've got to be working our way up there at this point. Or maybe, we should go with "most loved" or "most feared."
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Thank you for understanding so well. I'll just ignore that second line, because it obviously wasn't meant for Brom. [/Sarcasm]
If by "second line" you mean the "I'll show them all!" part, then yes, you're right, it wasn't really meant for Brom. I've seen that sentiment from plenty of other characters in BattleMaster, though (and even been some of them!).
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If by "second line" you mean the "I'll show them all!" part, then yes, you're right, it wasn't really meant for Brom. I've seen that sentiment from plenty of other characters in BattleMaster, though (and even been some of them!).
Nope, the whole part about being a traitor. How could anyone ever be a traitor if they only ever really fight for themselves?
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Nope, the whole part about being a traitor. How could anyone ever be a traitor if they only ever really fight for themselves?
Oh. Um, wow. Duh?
Being a traitor has nothing to do with one's personal code or internal allegiance. It has to do with legality and one's formal allegiance.
Saying something like "how can someone who never really wanted to help the realm in the first place be a traitor?" is really, really dumb, you know?
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Oh. Um, wow. Duh?
Being a traitor has nothing to do with one's personal code or internal allegiance. It has to do with legality and one's formal allegiance.
Saying something like "how can someone who never really wanted to help the realm in the first place be a traitor?" is really, really dumb, you know?
Of course I do. Now how ppl keep giving this guy power, I just think is awesome.
Although, he does try and help the realms he is in. He'd never get anywhere if he didn't. We'll see if other places can turn out to be just as fun as Luria though. That'll be a hard one to beat.
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Traitor by day and hero by night.
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Traitor by day and hero by night.
Is that right, or should it be the other way around?
It is funny though how everyone always forgets all the good Brom's done.
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Traitor by day and hero by night.
This made me lol. ;D
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Is that right, or should it be the other way around?
It is funny though how everyone always forgets all the good Brom's done.
You can say that about Stalin and Mao Zedong as well ::)
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You can say that about Stalin and Mao Zedong as well ::)
Except Brom never got the trains to run on time.
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Except Brom never got the trains to run on time.
He single-handedly saved the cities of Giask and Askileon from starvation in his first term as Banker of Pian en Luries, and engineered the restoration of the starving realm that was Pian at the time. Meanwhile he implemented a productive system for moving forward with expansion and proper food management.
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OOC justifications/accusations are the best justifications/accusations
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OOC justifications/accusations are the best justifications/accusations
So true. I mean in all fairness, only like 4 characters have a legit IC reason to be upset with Brom. The rest just are jumping onto the Brom hating wagon. At least half of those characters are dead too. Only one was Brom's direct fault. Although he received blame for the other. (Hi Arundel)
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So true. I mean in all fairness, only like 4 characters have a legit IC reason to be upset with Brom. The rest just are jumping onto the Brom hating wagon. At least half of those characters are dead too. Only one was Brom's direct fault. Although he received blame for the other. (Hi Arundel)
And at least one of the dead ones never had the slightest idea, if I understand everything that happened correctly.
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I invoke the right of Ego and Bravado to rename this thread to "Stuff Allison Does" :) The marriage wasn't Brom's idea.
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So true. I mean in all fairness, only like 4 characters have a legit IC reason to be upset with Brom. The rest just are jumping onto the Brom hating wagon. At least half of those characters are dead too. Only one was Brom's direct fault. Although he received blame for the other. (Hi Arundel)
A legit reason to be upset with Brom IC is as simple as they find him annoying. That opens up a whole heap more then 4 characters that can be legitimately upset with him :)
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I invoke the right of Ego and Bravado to rename this thread to "Stuff Allison Does" :) The marriage wasn't Brom's idea.
I was trapped, had no place to run. What could I do? The tent was guarded, and there was no escape...
Although, to be fair, another threat with that title would be interesting.
A legit reason to be upset with Brom IC is as simple as they find him annoying. That opens up a whole heap more then 4 characters that can be legitimately upset with him :)
True, but its not like Brom is ever annoying. He just speaks all pomp about honor all the time. (while poisoning your King)
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I was trapped, had no place to run. What could I do? The tent was guarded, and there was no escape...
Although, to be fair, another threat with that title would be interesting.
True, but its not like Brom is ever annoying. He just speaks all pomp about honor all the time. (while poisoning your King)
Yeah, people constantly harking on about THEIR concept of honor is never annoying.
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Although, to be fair, another threat with that title would be interesting.
Freudian slip of the day.
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He single-handedly saved the cities of Giask and Askileon from starvation in his first term as Banker of Pian en Luries, and engineered the restoration of the starving realm that was Pian at the time. Meanwhile he implemented a productive system for moving forward with expansion and proper food management.
By the hunger scheme of moving food in and out of the same cities?
I wouldn't be proud of that. We never did that in D'Hara because we deemed it to be an exploit.
I'm pretty sure our deficit was worse than Luria's, and we still managed to survive and now thrive. Taking the big cities never should have been easy for anyone.
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He single-handedly saved the cities of Giask and Askileon from starvation in his first term as Banker of Pian en Luries, and engineered the restoration of the starving realm that was Pian at the time. Meanwhile he implemented a productive system for moving forward with expansion and proper food management.
Which then subsequently collapsed by his fault, causing not only the almost total destruction of Poryatown, but also the civil war that ended up destroying the city of Giask and most regions in the duchy. I think Brom is responsible for more lives lost than saved over his career in the Lurias, I'd say :p
And I'm not sure how Proslyn handled food business when he was Duke of Askileon, but under Amaury Brom had nothing to do with keeping the city fed, it was all handled internally by the Lords and the Duke ;)
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So true. I mean in all fairness, only like 4 characters have a legit IC reason to be upset with Brom. The rest just are jumping onto the Brom hating wagon. At least half of those characters are dead too. Only one was Brom's direct fault. Although he received blame for the other. (Hi Arundel)
Who would those be? Alanna, Amaury, Koli and Malus have to be included, and I can think of at least a dozen more with deep-rooted reasons to hate him.
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Who would those be? Alanna, Amaury, Koli and Malus have to be included, and I can think of at least a dozen more with deep-rooted reasons to hate him.
Well, if those are the 4 he meant, half of them are dead...
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I'm not arguing that, I'm arguing the number of people with legitimate reasons to hate Brom :p
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Who would those be? Alanna, Amaury, Koli and Malus have to be included, and I can think of at least a dozen more with deep-rooted reasons to hate him.
Katerina, Franz, Ramiel... anyone who purported to be protecting Koli. To say nothing of Lurians who might be tired of the endless cycle of infighting and cannibalization. Brom certainly didn't get that ball rolling, but he's been instrumental in most of it. How many rebellions is it now, four? How many people have saved Brom's neck, only to see him repay the favor with betrayal? Perhaps that's a knock against those characters as much as it is Brom, but he has conditioned people to assume the very worst about him. There's also the very OOC matter of whatever agreement the player had with Matt. You don't commit to something with another player and then abandon that agreement when events don't go your way. Not if you believe in being a good sport.
All of this isn't meant to discourage someone from playing the kind of character Brom is. However, one should expect characters (and players) to react accordingly.
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Lurians who might be tired of the endless cycle of infighting and cannibalization.
D'Harans are too proud to resort to cannibalization, no matter how hungry our peasants get.
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I'm not arguing that, I'm arguing the number of people with legitimate reasons to hate Brom :p
I suppose there are a few more. Leaving Barca to marry the insane and evil Grand-mistress isn't doing his reputation any good in Barca, nor any 'Moot Republic. Although I must say that I could personally laugh about this, but hey, I know Brom longer than today and know that he is capable of doing things like this.
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There's also the very OOC matter of whatever agreement the player had with Matt. You don't commit to something with another player and then abandon that agreement when events don't go your way. Not if you believe in being a good sport.
You should seriously watch what you say. I stuck fully to my OOC agreement, but it was you and some other players which led Matt to leave the realm and ruin the whole thing due to your accusations of both of us cheating. Even if I didn't leave Luria due to IC reasons, I was going to leave for these simple OOC reasons of the playerbase assuming first cheating and OOC misbehavior first instead of giving players with a long history the benefit of the doubt.
I'm fine with all of the IC hate for Brom, because quite simply he deserves it. But, OOC accusations at myself are not acceptable.
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Which then subsequently collapsed by his fault, causing not only the almost total destruction of Poryatown, but also the civil war that ended up destroying the city of Giask and most regions in the duchy. I think Brom is responsible for more lives lost than saved over his career in the Lurias, I'd say :p
And I'm not sure how Proslyn handled food business when he was Duke of Askileon, but under Amaury Brom had nothing to do with keeping the city fed, it was all handled internally by the Lords and the Duke ;)
Poryatown was terrible when Brom got it, and terrible when he left it. Net loss of population in Poryatown was only about 500-1000 peasants if my numbers are remembered correctly.
Lives lost vs saved is impossible to figure out, so I'm not really sure about making a statement like that although you've said it multiple times. To be fair thought: the lives of the civil war are at the feet of Amaury for not giving food to Poryatown, and beginning the cycle that started the war.
And yes Proslyn had Brom handle all of the food business of the duchy of Askileon. As Proslyn led Askileon for a really long time, Brom handled the food of the whole realm for a really long time as well. Who would those be? Alanna, Amaury, Koli and Malus have to be included, and I can think of at least a dozen more with deep-rooted reasons to hate him.
The 4 I'm going with are:
Alanna (apparently immortal), Koli(dead?), Katerina(dead), and Farsil(alive).
Those are the only 4 Brom initially harmed directly in my opinion. Everyone else was either fall out, or chose to pick a fight with Brom. If your character chose to fight him, that's not his fault, imo.
Malus- Brom did nothing to. (OOC: Seriously, he didn't do anything. Unless you count placing initial clues to point towards Solaria in the beginning as targeting solely Malus).
Amaury- On the Alanna bandwagon. He really doesn't count, and probably wouldn't have hated Brom if he knew he wouldn't get any gain from Alanna by doing so.
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Given Amaury's frequent and ever escalating quarrels with Alanna, did you really think he'd have purposely starved Brom's city if he didn't think Brom was a colossal tool? :o If he had to choose who he hated most, he'd pick between Brom and Fulco :p
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Given Amaury's frequent and ever escalating quarrels with Alanna, did you really think he'd have purposely starved Brom's city if he didn't think Brom was a colossal tool? :o If he had to choose who he hated most, he'd pick between Brom and Fulco :p
Amaury would have never became Duke, if he wasn't so outspoken against Brom. Alanna needed a strong ally to counter-act Brom's influence, so she chose Amaury as Duke of the Capitol to ensure it was held by an ally at the time, instead of Brom who had the strongest other claim to the city, within the realm.
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... I have no reply to that.
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Amaury would have never became Duke, if he wasn't so outspoken against Brom. Alanna needed a strong ally to counter-act Brom's influence, so she chose Amaury as Duke of the Capitol to ensure it was held by an ally at the time, instead of Brom who had the strongest other claim to the city, within the realm.
You really think there was a chance Alanna would have appointed Brom at that point?
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You should seriously watch what you say. I stuck fully to my OOC agreement, but it was you and some other players which led Matt to leave the realm and ruin the whole thing due to your accusations of both of us cheating. Even if I didn't leave Luria due to IC reasons, I was going to leave for these simple OOC reasons of the playerbase assuming first cheating and OOC misbehavior first instead of giving players with a long history the benefit of the doubt.
I'm fine with all of the IC hate for Brom, because quite simply he deserves it. But, OOC accusations at myself are not acceptable.
What you've described is not the accepted interpretation of events. Several people would benefit from your perspective, if you'd like to share the details. It is generally understood that you agreed that if Brom was fingered as the assassin, you would cop to it, IC. Is that not the case?
As to being accused of "cheating", I'm not even sure what that means in this context, but again: provide the details and I'll ensure that everyone involved is shamed. Apparently, that also means me.
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What you've described is not the accepted interpretation of events. Several people would benefit from your perspective, if you'd like to share the details. It is generally understood that you agreed that if Brom was fingered as the assassin, you would cop to it, IC. Is that not the case?
As to being accused of "cheating", I'm not even sure what that means in this context, but again: provide the details and I'll ensure that everyone involved is shamed. Apparently, that also means me.
Matt stated he had little time to play around this time, and that if anyone wanted to roleplay rebellious actions or attempts on the life of the King that they should not pull punches because he had low activity at the time. I contacted him privately, and said I'd be interested in such. After some short discussions, we agreed that I would work with him in developing an RP initial plot of events concerning an attempted assassination of the King.
Matt would have full control over the success or failure of my attempt on the King's life as well as to how much and of what type of evidence would be found against Brom for any attack. He'd also determine whether or not Brom would eventually be caught, or whether he'd get away with it depending upon how players pursued the events and sought out clues. I would supply the initial set up of the plans, and background of events as well as probably evidence which could either lead to or away from Brom. He would roleplay all events for both of us, so that no OOC interactions would dictate who may have been the culprit. If in the end, the evidence pointed towards Brom, I would verify all evidence in an OOC manner as legitimate IC acceptable evidence and then proceed to roleplay IC from there.
I'm going to skip over the fact that Matt's leaving caused a few problems in how this issue was perceived and many complications arose, when the switch in who was my contact changed. Namely, a lot of the interpretations were different, but I went ahead with things because two or three players had decided to invest time in the RP and I wanted to not let them down.
In the end, evidence pointed towards Brom, and so I verified in an OOC manner to all players invovled that they could act on any such evidence they found and that it was acceptable IC evidence.
Brom however, as an IC character never admitted to any action, and I see no reason as to why he should admit to such, when it is a guaranteed death for the character should he have done so. He was tried based upon the evidence found against him, and we went forward with the IC events from there. I never as a player guaranteed that I would admit IC to committing a crime, but would simply allow IC events and roleplay to carry out from there. All evidence was considered acceptable to be used against me, but I did not choose to have Brom commit suicide by stating he killed the King. Some people thought that I should have done so, and that I had originally agreed to do so, but that wasn't true. More confusion occurred during the transfer of my contact, and that didn't help things of course.
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You really think there was a chance Alanna would have appointed Brom at that point?
Nope. Absolutely zero chance at all. Alanna considered Brom an enemy (rightfully so), however she could not act outright against him, because she had no proof, and at the time of the appointment of Amaury, Brom still had a strong following.
I would say up until about 2 months before the Poryatown starvation incident. (When I was still actively playing my character, and before the fall out that such an incident ensured) that Brom was the 2nd most powerful person in Pian en Luries, second only to Alanna herself. He was well respected, and had a large noble following as up to that point his only (public) crime was speaking out against actions of the Queen. However, increasingly more frequent public arguments slowly degraded his influence, and the lack of activity leading into the Poryatown incident doomed Brom to never again have much influence in Pian en Luries. (Until he later returned, but still faced more enemies than usual)
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I suppose there are a few more. Leaving Barca to marry the insane and evil Grand-mistress isn't doing his reputation any good in Barca, nor any 'Moot Republic. Although I must say that I could personally laugh about this, but hey, I know Brom longer than today and know that he is capable of doing things like this.
To Machiavel, Brom has no proper identity, he is henceforth only known as "Allison's groom". Which is an improvement over "some man whose name I think I might have seen mentioned once or twice in the past, somewhere by someone, which I cannot remember".
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To Machiavel, Brom has no proper identity, he is henceforth only known as "Allison's groom". Which is an improvement over "some man whose name I think I might have seen mentioned once or twice in the past, somewhere by someone, which I cannot remember".
he joined D'Hara for a week or two.
I think of him as 'the man who should become lord of Eregon"
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he joined D'Hara for a week or two.
I think of him as 'the man who should become lord of Eregon"
Indeed, but that was quite unmemmorable.
Being part of D'Hara doesn't mean I remember the person. I often look at the noble list of the realms I play in and go "who the heck are all these people!?", only to see they've been in the realm for thousands of days.
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Still unsure of how Brom managed to convince Hendrick of his innocence and even secure his friendship and loyalty - so in that regard, hats off to Brom. Particularly since Hendrick is in love with the cousin of the woman Brom ostensibly murdered.
I sincerely hope Brom decides to call on that friendship in the future and come to visit Luria Vesperi :D
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Matt stated he had little time to play around this time, and that if anyone wanted to roleplay rebellious actions or attempts on the life of the King that they should not pull punches because he had low activity at the time. I contacted him privately, and said I'd be interested in such. After some short discussions, we agreed that I would work with him in developing an RP initial plot of events concerning an attempted assassination of the King.
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Thanks for the explanation. Care to take a stab at your claim that you and Matt were accused of "cheating?"
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Thanks for the explanation. Care to take a stab at your claim that you and Matt were accused of "cheating?"
I was not a part of that, as those messages were not sent to me directly. I am just aware that they were sent, Matt either received or heard of them, and forwarded that information to me. Did not leave a good taste in my mouth with the whole situation though. So, essentially I cannot say more on that subject.
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Still unsure of how Brom managed to convince Hendrick of his innocence and even secure his friendship and loyalty - so in that regard, hats off to Brom. Particularly since Hendrick is in love with the cousin of the woman Brom ostensibly murdered.
I sincerely hope Brom decides to call on that friendship in the future and come to visit Luria Vesperi :D
Never killed the woman. Jumping out of a window doesn't count. (its not like I pushed her, if you're referring to Katarina)
Although you'll find Brom manages to make a lot of friends, and it probably has something to do with the fact that for the most part he doesn't betray them. Part of me thinks a lot of people were just jealous of his influence. (Or the constant pomp if his speaking.)
It also helps that Brom almost never gets involved in things (publicly) that could make him look bad. He also pretty much always speaks reason, and such. Its hard to argue with reason, even if it is coming from someone who you'd rather see dead.
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I was not a part of that, as those messages were not sent to me directly. I am just aware that they were sent, Matt either received or heard of them, and forwarded that information to me. Did not leave a good taste in my mouth with the whole situation though. So, essentially I cannot say more on that subject.
If you were forwarded the information, then you obviously know something. So, either you know and aren't willing to comment on it—in which case you would have done better to say nothing at all—or you just threw that accusation out there and hoped it would stick.
I don't take kindly to being accused of behavior that I spent a lot of time stamping out. Neither does/did Matt. I find it hard to believe that he would be so flippant about the issue, or even make something up.
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If you were forwarded the information, then you obviously know something. So, either you know and aren't willing to comment on it—in which case you would have done better to say nothing at all—or you just threw that accusation out there and hoped it would stick.
I don't take kindly to being accused of behavior that I spent a lot of time stamping out. Neither does/did Matt. I find it hard to believe that he would be so flippant about the issue, or even make something up.
I know no details. I stated everything about the agreement that I made, which I said clearly. All I know is that "I have been accused of cheating, and through extension so have you." in a message sent to me by Matt. All I accused you of here was that you had a misconception of my agreement, which I believe we both have a better mutual understanding of now.
Edit: I've looked back over what I wrote before, and I can see where you can think I was accusing you of making that accusation. I'm sorry about that, but that was simply a mistake in writing. I meant merely the above. And was tyring to separate the issues.
If you want more information you can ask Matt, but I don't recommend it, because I personally hate re-discussing these old issues and I'm sure many are like me in that.
Personally, I'd just love if nothing with that whole RP time was ever brought up again by anyone. All that needs to be known is that Brom poisoned the King, the new Queen committed suicide in his presence, and Brom left Luria after the whole ordeal.
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If you want more information you can ask Matt, but I don't recommend it, because I personally hate re-discussing these old issues and I'm sure many are like me in that.
You just going to keep throwing that flamebait out there until a mod bans you?
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Never killed the woman. Jumping out of a window doesn't count. (its not like I pushed her, if you're referring to Katarina)
Thats why I said "ostensibly" :D and Hendrick certainly doesn't know that.
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As it's come up, again...A few points of clarification:
1. So far as I know, Dante_Silverfire kept our OOC agreement to the letter and spirit. Obviously, my knowledge of what happened after I paused is minimal, but Brom was never supposed to confess or anything of that kind IC. He was (and so far as I know, did) supposed to come up with a semi-plausible chain of events that led to the various public RP's (and up until the point I left, he certainly did so).
2. The confusion and everything that resulted is entirely my fault. I went from commuting/working for 13 hours a day on average to commuting/working for 15-16 hours a day for quite a while, and I just didn't have the time to devote proper attention to it. I take full responsibility for the problems caused by that lack of activity and then disappearance. He did quite nicely coming up with RP's, I thought. The various briberies were amazing, and made a great deal of sense given his history in Poryatown duchy.
3. I (mainly) didn't leave because of accusations, I left because I had absolutely no time. The accusations didn't help, but to further clarify...
4. No one accused me or us of cheating. Several people accused us of inventing RP solely to help justify a war with Solaria. This pissed me off, exceedingly, for several reasons. First is my roleplaying integrity, and second is the insult to my intelligence. If I'd wanted to make up a war with Solaria, I could have come up with far better reasons, and Solaria would have been very badly hurt in the opening act. Koli, actually, had no interest in fighting Solaria, and was surprised up until the end.
5. Koli is not dead yet, because I don't like killing characters without a proper death RP. He is, however, fatally ill/injured/whatever, and will only live long enough for me to get the time to unpause, write a proper death RP, and then finally die.
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5. Koli is not dead yet, because I don't like killing characters without a proper death RP. He is, however, fatally ill/injured/whatever, and will only live long enough for me to get the time to unpause, write a proper death RP, and then finally die.
"I'm not dead yet!"
"I'm feeling better!"
"In fact, I think I will go have some tea!"
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"I'm not dead yet!"
"I'm feeling better!"
"In fact, I think I will go have some tea!"
"He's not dead yet!"
"He's actually feeling quite a bit better!"
"...Now he's dead!"
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He's not dead until he's crapped himself!
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"In order to get the Aegis of the Zuma from Brom(still can't believe the 'Moot didn't snatch that up...) Allison had to marry Brom, give him 25% of Golden Farrow /and/ make him Judge of Kabrinskia. All for 1 unique item. " (From another thread)
So, now that the cat's out of the bag, did Brom make a good deal or a bad deal?
Just a note: Brom bought the item for 25 gold off of an adventurer ages ago.
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"In order to get the Aegis of the Zuma from Brom(still can't believe the 'Moot didn't snatch that up...) Allison had to marry Brom, give him 25% of Golden Farrow /and/ make him Judge of Kabrinskia. All for 1 unique item. " (From another thread)
So, now that the cat's out of the bag, did Brom make a good deal or a bad deal?
Just a note: Brom bought the item for 25 gold off of an adventurer ages ago.
Seems pretty good to me. Sounds like you bought your way back into power with it.
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"In order to get the Aegis of the Zuma from Brom(still can't believe the 'Moot didn't snatch that up...)
So you got an alliance with the Zuma because of an item that has their name?
Hurray, another pending invasion over something a foreigner does that we have absolutely no power about? Is this supposed to make us any happier?
Had we found the item, I suspect the Zuma would have been pounding on our capitals until we hand it over, and then ask extras as compensation for their troubles. Fits their previous deeds with us.
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So you got an alliance with the Zuma because of an item that has their name?
Hurray, another pending invasion over something a foreigner does that we have absolutely no power about? Is this supposed to make us any happier?
Had we found the item, I suspect the Zuma would have been pounding on our capitals until we hand it over, and then ask extras as compensation for their troubles. Fits their previous deeds with us.
Hmm...it couldn't possibly be that someone contradicted this earlier today...
The Zuma discovered in game that the item was held by Brom when we saw a battle report that he fought in as part of Barca. Almost immediately diplomatic relations dropped from peace to neutral and the only reason there wasn't war was because of in game interactions involving the ruler of Barca, and then Brom changing realms to Kabrinskia and Allison getting in contact straight away saying she wanted to give it to [the Zuma].
Oh, hey, look! Evidence that you're talking out your ass! Wow, whodathunkit!
So, how long is it going to take you to spin this into yet more evidence that the Zuma are terrible and have it in for you?
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Hmm...it couldn't possibly be that someone contradicted this earlier today...
Oh, hey, look! Evidence that you're talking out your ass! Wow, whodathunkit!
So, how long is it going to take you to spin this into yet more evidence that the Zuma are terrible and have it in for you?
Not long, you just proved my point:
Item was in Barca = Zuma going in a frenzy.
Item going to Kabrinskia = Zuma wanting alliance.
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Not long, you just proved my point:
Item was in Barca = Zuma going in a frenzy.
Item going to Kabrinskia = Zuma wanting alliance.
Item discovered to be possessed by someone wo hasn't let you know about it = attack.
Person with item talking politely and willing to give it to you = stand down red alert, talk and offer reward.
But don't mind me offering explanations that don't support you confirmation bias.
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Item discovered to be possessed by someone wo hasn't let you know about it = attack.
Person with item talking politely and willing to give it to you = stand down red alert, talk and offer reward.
But don't mind me offering explanations that don't support you confirmation bias.
Letter discovered to say something bad about the Zuma = attack.
People with access to original talking politely and willing to give original, plus ambassador with access to original = attack anyways!
Oh, wait. Right, because that incident was isolated. Because he's completely incapable of doing the same thing again. And that it's impossible that anything he does now would just be following a long-established pattern. Right. Oh wait...
Get over the letter. That was explained in game and on the forums and I still stand by the actions that I took at that time.
The guy just said that he'd do it again.
Sorry for lacking your unshakable faith in the guy. I'm sure his farts smell like roses to you.
And honestly, the fact that you quoted the rest of his message, save for that part, is rather revealing about how objective you are being yourself.
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Letter discovered to say something bad about the Zuma = attack.
People with access to original talking politely and willing to give original, plus ambassador with access to original = attack anyways!
Oh, wait. Right, because that incident was isolated. Because he's completely incapable of doing the same thing again. And that it's impossible that anything he does now would just be following a long-established pattern. Right. Oh wait...
The guy just said that he'd do it again.
Sorry for lacking your unshakable faith in the guy. I'm sure his farts smell like roses to you.
And honestly, the fact that you quoted the rest of his message, save for that part, is rather revealing about how objective you are being yourself.
So, yet another thread locked?
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So, yet another thread locked?
Proof that locking threads is a completely ridiculous thing to do?
The Zuma have involved themselves in a whole ton of plotlines. There aren't many dwi-related topics to discuss anymore which don't involve the Zuma.
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Proof that locking threads is a completely ridiculous thing to do?
The Zuma have involved themselves in a whole ton of plotlines. There aren't many dwi-related topics to discuss anymore which don't involve the Zuma.
Luria!
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Luria!
The Fissoa-Luria thread has, afaik, not yet been afflicted. Though that's where Brom comes from, it's pretty much where it matters the least.
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Proof that locking threads is a completely ridiculous thing to do?
The Zuma have involved themselves in a whole ton of plotlines. There aren't many dwi-related topics to discuss anymore which don't involve the Zuma.
Nope, proof that whatever the issue at hand is you'll start remembering us how evil they are, listing their mistakes, factual or supposed.
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Note to Mods: Instead of locking this thread, can you simply just delete all the comments not related to the topic at hand and focused on bashing the Zuma?
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Nope, proof that whatever the issue at hand is you'll start remembering us how evil they are, listing their mistakes, factual or supposed.
The Zuma were brought up, information about the deal was presented, and a snark comment about the 'moot was made.
I didn't talk about them out of nowhere.
Unless you are saying that only pro-Zuma people are allowed to talk about the Zuma?
Note to Mods: Instead of locking this thread, can you simply just delete all the comments not related to the topic at hand and focused on bashing the Zuma?
Except that in the threads locked, the Zuma DID have to do with the thread at hand. They are an part that can'T be ignored about the Terran-Kabrinskia conflict, and they are also tied to Brom's recent acts.
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The Zuma were brought up, information about the deal was presented, and a snark comment about the 'moot was made.
I didn't talk about them out of nowhere.
Unless you are saying that only pro-Zuma people are allowed to talk about the Zuma?
Except that in the threads locked, the Zuma DID have to do with the thread at hand. They are an part that can'T be ignored about the Terran-Kabrinskia conflict, and they are also tied to Brom's recent acts.
There is a difference between being tied to the Zuma and complaining that the Zuma are OOC fun destroyers. So just please stop. Go fight your wars IC or email Tom as asked.
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Item discovered to be possessed by someone wo hasn't let you know about it = attack.
Person with item talking politely and willing to give it to you = stand down red alert, talk and offer reward.
But don't mind me offering explanations that don't support you confirmation bias.
This is exactly what it was.
Barca wouldn't let me give the item to the Zuma. So, when it was discovered I had the item in Barca and wasn't talking to the Zuma about it, they got pissed at Barca.
Thus, not only could the Moot do something about it, and they HAD possession of it, they misused their possession of the item and forced Brom to leave the Moot simply to save them from being attacked.
Kabrinskia on the other hand immediately sought to give it to the Zuma. Quite a big difference.
Only downside was that Brom missed his opportunity to have the Zuma go destroy Malus for him.
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I didn't talk about them out of nowhere.
You sure did in the "No Zuma Thread". Go re-read that thread. It's like you're obsessive-compulsive or something.
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*Casts an admiring eye at the Poryatu Chargers*
My, that is quite the unit Brom has there. What's the CS on them?
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*Casts an admiring eye at the Poryatu Chargers*
My, that is quite the unit Brom has there. What's the CS on them?
1205 cs. 115 cavalry.
I'm thinking I'll try and take on Fang Fang 1v1. What do you think? 90 daimons vs 115 cavalry + a big ego?
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Also,
I was thinking of taking up Garret's old job. Have I pissed off enough people yet to hold that role?
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Also,
I was thinking of taking up Garret's old job. Have I pissed off enough people yet to hold that role?
DO EET!
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1205 cs. 115 cavalry.
I'm thinking I'll try and take on Fang Fang 1v1. What do you think? 90 daimons vs 115 cavalry + a big ego?
Sounds like a plan to me!
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DO EET!
Since you pissed off almost anyone who would deal with the Zuma by now, I think you'd make for a very interesting ambassador :p
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1205 cs. 115 cavalry.
I'm thinking I'll try and take on Fang Fang 1v1. What do you think? 90 daimons vs 115 cavalry + a big ego?
"Hi, I'm Brom Silverfire and this is Jackass".
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Okay people. Brom's now Judge of Kabrinskia, married to Allison officially, and a Consul of Sanguis Astroism. This has all worked out really well, I'm running behind on ideas.
What sort of new ambitious plot does Brom need to run now? (Note: I'm not enacting anything I can't have a reasonable RP reason behind it. But ideas are always helpful)
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Well, as a minion of Allison, the overthrow of D'Hara is always an attractive plot line.
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Well, as a minion of Allison, the overthrow of D'Hara is always an attractive plot line.
Why would I care about D'Hara?
And since when has Brom been a "minion" of anyone?
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Why would I care about D'Hara?
And since when has Brom been a "minion" of anyone?
Takeover Zuma and declare Allison bitch queen ruler of those lands.
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You asked for an ambitious plot. I gave you one. I bet Brom would love to conquer D'Hara to show the depth of his devotion to his new wife. :D
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You asked for an ambitious plot. I gave you one. I bet Brom would love to conquer D'Hara to show the depth of his devotion to his new wife. :D
You still haven't given me a reason though. I know absolutely nothing about why Allison would want to conquer D'Hara and that's the truth. If I don't know, then my character certainly doesn't.
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You asked for an ambitious plot. I gave you one. I bet Brom would love to conquer D'Hara to show the depth of his devotion to his new wife. :D
What made you so against D'hara?
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Indirik isn't against D'hara... Allison is against D'hara and Indirik knows about it and is talking about it.
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Indirik isn't against D'hara... Allison is against D'hara and Indirik knows about it and is talking about it.
Well I know about Allison being against D'hara but considering the fact he brought it up and seems to be encouraging it, it seems like he is also against D'hara.
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Start a family, that should be enough to cause everyone who hates Brom to have nightmares.
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You still haven't given me a reason though. I know absolutely nothing about why Allison would want to conquer D'Hara and that's the truth. If I don't know, then my character certainly doesn't.
Allison is against D'Hara because Summerdale died without her having a hand in it. And I'm quite sure she doesn't like that at all.... She needs to show she still got what it takes! ;D
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What made you so against D'hara?
It's on her border. Seriously, what other reason would someone need?
Note: the above comment should not be construed to imply that Solaria has it in for D'Hara. We in the Democratic People's Republic of Solaria love our wealthy grain clients to the west!
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Allison is against D'Hara because Summerdale died without her having a hand in it. And I'm quite sure she doesn't like that at all.... She needs to show she still got what it takes! ;D
I wouldn't be too sure about that. She may not have played a big role, but sbe was involved...
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I wouldn't be too sure about that. She may not have played a big role, but sbe was involved...
Damn....
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It wasn't really enough involvement to give the warm fuzzy feeling of contentment now that I think about it...
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Brom is married to Allison. Allison wants to take out D'Hara. In order to keep his wife happy, Brom should give her presents.
"Guess what honey? I destroyed D'Hara, just for you!"
"Oh Brom! You're so romantic!"
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warm fuzzy feeling of contentment
Is that what the cool kids call it these days?
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It's on her border. Seriously, what other reason would someone need?
Note: the above comment should not be construed to imply that Solaria has it in for D'Hara. We in the Democratic People's Republic of Solaria love our wealthy grain clients to the west!
That was aimed at Indirik because him encouraging the idea so much seems like he isn't a fan of D'hara and he doesn't directly benefit since its not his realm that would be at war. That being Allison's justification I completely understand just don't know why Indirik would be against D'hara.
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Because it's a great outlet for Allison's craziness?
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That being Allison's justification I completely understand just don't know why Indirik would be against D'hara.
I'm not. But I know that Allison is. And Brom is Allison's husband, so, he'd want to make her happy, right? Instant IC justification for Brom to lead Kabrinskia against D'Hara.
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Brom is married to Allison. Allison wants to take out D'Hara. In order to keep his wife happy, Brom should give her presents.
"Guess what honey? I destroyed D'Hara, just for you!"
"Oh Brom! You're so romantic!"
Brom already gave her a nice wedding present. She went and traded it in though for a better version.
Unfortunately, it seems Brom's not doing a good job of keeping his wife happy. She seems to like large beast like monsters in the south more so than her husband's company.
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>_> Hey, they both went into this relationship knowing full-well that they're bound by Haktoo's Will. ;-)
Once a Daimon love-slave, always a Daimon love-slave.
I'm curious to know what that artifact does, though.
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The super-yummy Sceptre of the Maddening Star? It is currently adding some bling to my character's outfit. It looks impressive in the crook of his arm while delivering sermons on the glory of the Bloodstars.
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Am I late to the "All Thread Lead To Zuma" discussion?
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Am I late to the "All Thread Lead To Zuma" discussion?
Not true, its a cycle of Zuma-SA-important or annoying person. The last two people being Allison and Glaumring.