The Enweil/Riombara thread

[Psyche]

Just take everything but Fvuevenem or however it's spelled and a few other regions for them to expand north.  !@#$ them, let them fend for themselves as the Cheniers always claim they have, and ease your conscience by LETTING them remain a realm.  Enweil holds no REAL power any more, and it would be plain stupid for Riombara to let them.  "I know we've been mortal enemies for practically forever, and even now, despite all your past bull!@#$ and present bitching about the way we help you USELESS SACKS OF !@#$, some nagging voice in me tells me to return you to power, maintain your present bitching, and MAYBE you won't be so bad this time."

If you spare them for "history," choke them within an inch of their lives to remind them why they are ALLOWED to be, and WHO allows it.


--excessive profanity deleted

[Ehndras]

Just take everything but Fvuevenem or however it's spelled and a few other regions for them to expand north.  !@#$ them, let them fend for themselves as the Cheniers always claim they have, and ease your conscience by LETTING them remain a realm.  Enweil holds no REAL power any more, and it would be plain stupid for Riombara to let them.  "I know we've been mortal enemies for practically forever, and even now, despite all your past bull!@#$ and present bitching about the way we help you USELESS SACKS OF !@#$, some nagging voice in me tells me to return you to power, maintain your present bitching, and MAYBE you won't be so bad this time."

If you spare them for "history," choke them within an inch of their lives to remind them why they are ALLOWED to be, and WHO allows it.

BY GODS, I like the cut of your jib, sir!

[Tan dSerrai]

If you spare them for "history," choke them within an inch of their lives to remind them why they are ALLOWED to be, and WHO allows it.

Grin - thats exactly how Enweil did act...and this is exactly why so many realms were willing to go to war against them. Riombara may be over-electoral, but to my opinion this is exactly /why/ it has survived that long...it allows different opinions to be actually discussed instead of having someone strongarm alll others, both internal and external. And giving all a voice - and possibility to actually do something for the realm - is a huge advantage. Seen cynical, player interest in the realm is the most important ressource there is. Make it fun for them (instead of only the top dogs) and you have a realm that is a lot stronger than it appears in simple economic comparison to others. I find it extremely interesting that there are so many similarities between BM structure and real life. Riombaran republic might be maddeningly 'electoral' (which in the short run IS a disadvantag) but it remains very strong in the long run by allowing competent players to move upwards.

So: Aye, Sassan says 'give Enweil a chance and treat them honourably. If relations then backfire later - noone is going to have pity. But if Riombara uses the first possibility to strongarm then and really grind their faces into the mud - well, no better way to create highly motivated enemies.

[fodder]

i think we don't need lectures from a multi.

[Anaris]

i think we don't need lectures from a multi.

A twice-convicted multi, at that.

Nate, go away.

[Psyche]

I'm clearly so detrimental to the forum, despite being twice convicted of HAVING MORE EXPERIENCE WITH IT THAN OTHERS.

---profanity removed. Please keep it clean.

[Anaris]

Being very good at multicheating isn't something to brag about, Nate. At least not around here.

[Psyche]

--- mod note:I'm going to stop editing your posts, and just start deleting them. If you can't be bothered to keep it civil, then stop posting.

[Anaris]

I'm not bragging,  I'm saying lighten up, dick.  You might not like or welcome me as a player of the game, but on the forum I do offer honest advice, opinions, details of the past, and for the most part productive feedback.  You can't cheat here too, you know.  As I said, if cheating correlated to anything here, it would be to the amount of feedback and experience.  Hell, I think I caused or pushed for a lot of development in some areas of the game.

So cheaters have more experience, so we should revere them?

Look at how many times I blew the trading system open, for example.  Only one those were without me running my experiment by Tom beforehand.

Translation: "I exploited the trading system to gain massive amounts of money, and when I decided I was making so much money I was in imminent danger of getting caught, I let Tom know so he could prevent anyone else from getting free money."

[Psyche]

Actually, I told him before acting.  Tested a theory, and I was right.  You play with features enough and you'll spot a loophole before actually SEEING the loophole.  The bugs aren't usually that there's an exploit, but that the consequences for an exploit aren't usually what's intended; generally, the consequences weren't as severe as thought out when code went to action.

[Chenier]

Grin - thats exactly how Enweil did act...and this is exactly why so many realms were willing to go to war against them. Riombara may be over-electoral, but to my opinion this is exactly /why/ it has survived that long...it allows different opinions to be actually discussed instead of having someone strongarm alll others, both internal and external. And giving all a voice - and possibility to actually do something for the realm - is a huge advantage. Seen cynical, player interest in the realm is the most important ressource there is. Make it fun for them (instead of only the top dogs) and you have a realm that is a lot stronger than it appears in simple economic comparison to others. I find it extremely interesting that there are so many similarities between BM structure and real life. Riombaran republic might be maddeningly 'electoral' (which in the short run IS a disadvantag) but it remains very strong in the long run by allowing competent players to move upwards.

So: Aye, Sassan says 'give Enweil a chance and treat them honourably. If relations then backfire later - noone is going to have pity. But if Riombara uses the first possibility to strongarm then and really grind their faces into the mud - well, no better way to create highly motivated enemies.

Except that Enweil never attacked Rio, it was always the other way around. ;)

And if Enweil was ganked by everyone, it was partly due to really old feuds that preceded me (attacks on non-democracies), but mostly because of geopolitics: Rio is a threat to no one but Enweil, whereas Enweil is a potential threat to everyone. It's logical that realms would feel threatened by Enweil and therefore decided to gank it when the opportunity arose.

Enweil is not really militaristic. It took me forever and great efforts to whip them into action against a realm that really had it coming (Fwuvoghor), and that was the most I ever achieved.

[Tan dSerrai]

Ahhh...well, Riombara does see 'Enweil never did attack Rio' a...bit...different:
- during the first age, Enweil allied with Luz and did attack Riombara.
- during the second age, after Riombara was resettled, Luz did attack us. Enweil fought jointly with Luz for a time, then withdrew from that war.
- during the third age, while Luz did attack Riombara in the south Enweil did attack our city Fwuvoghor, taking it (then losing it during the third invasion)
- during the fourth age, Enweil did (due to Guillaume) attack the realm of Fwuvoghor, which was firmly allied to us.
- during the fifth age, Riombara did attack Enweil.

So during ages 1-4 all wars between Enweil and Riombara did start because of attacks of Enweil against Riombara or against close allies. Since I had a char in Rios council during most of that time I can attest that during all that time Rio did not /want/ to fight Enweil.

During age 5 we did attack Enweil. During the 5th invasion we helped Enweil.

[Iltaran]

What's this about people ganging up on Enweil? I've 'only' been around for two-three years, but all of the wars I've seen Enweil fight have been on fairly even terms.

[Chenier]

Yea, I usually add "since I have been playing" or stuff like that. I was in a rush to write that last message. ;)

What's this about people ganging up on Enweil? I've 'only' been around for two-three years, but all of the wars I've seen Enweil fight have been on fairly even terms.

When Rio started losing a war they started themselves (and refused peace for), they got Mesh, Hetland, and Sint to gang up on us. I believe Alluran as well, though I don't remember being actually struck from the East during that time. The odds were bad against us, but we did pretty good for a long time due to their incompetance and bad coordination (Hetland would often go temple-hunting instead of aiding their allies in battle). It all went downhill when I left for a week for camping (I was general and marshal), and we got peace treaties not too long after I came back. This was after the third invasion, before the fourth.

[Lorgan]

What's this about people ganging up on Enweil? I've 'only' been around for two-three years, but all of the wars I've seen Enweil fight have been on fairly even terms.

I know I campaigned tirelessly for war with Enweil while I was Duke in Old Grehk and later when I was King. But that was just because Enweil went around the continent after the first invasion and forced each tyranny to become a democracy or republic. And they sat next to my city for a few days with a big-ass army as if it was their right to be there. So yeah... I felt pretty justified in trying to get OG and other realms to attack Enweil. :)