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BattleMaster => Locals => East Island => Topic started by: ShadySoulja on September 12, 2012, 03:53:12 PM
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Anyone have any thoughts on what the next wars to break out will be? It seems we reached a new holding pattern here.
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Raises hand!
Super Ganking Up to the middle?
Runs
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Raises hand!
Super Ganking Up to the middle?
Runs
Here we go again..
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I have no idea. It seems Eponllyn and Armonia have come to the end of their expansion. They may be on a collision course with Caligus and Perdan, a collision I do not think they intend to start without help. But, we will see. Dunnera is still growing into their new regions, it will be a while before they fight their first war. Westmoor just got out of a war, I don't think they will start one until they are fully repaired. Same goes with Sirion. OI and Nivemus are probably still infrastructure building.
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Eponlyn still has a lot of rebuilding to do. These southern regions were basically wiped clean of everything.
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Eponlyn still has a lot of rebuilding to do. These southern regions were basically wiped clean of everything.
Oh? Not much news from you guys travels this far North. But, that doesn't surprise me that you need at least some rebuilding.
Really, it would be nice if peasants had more babies. It's been I think 8 months or so since Nivemus took Oroya(or was it 6? At any rate, over half a year), and the city is still only at 60% population or so and is literally dragging the other regions surrounding the cities population down via immigration. Basically a vicious cycle: Realm kills another realm, new realm placed in old realms spot, wars happen before new realm has completely recovered, realm kills new realm.
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It takes too long for new realms to fight their first war... I should maybe make a feature request on it. hmm...
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Here we go again..
Hahaha sorry! >.<
You know, you all can call me crazy, but since years i have dreamed of overcome Avamar, it can be some of Fontanese foolishness that remains on my head, but i always seen Sirion's geography as a challenge.
If you have a big war against them, you can count me in your ranks!
Peace!
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OI will go to war
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OI will go to war
Maybe. But who with? And will they seek to gain anything if they do?
Personally, if I had to put bets on a war, I would put bets on Armonia vs. Caligus.
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Dunnera+Nivemus vs Westmoor ::)
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Dunnera+Nivemus vs Westmoor ::)
Shoo, troll.
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Dunnera+Nivemus vs Westmoor ::)
Maybe next year... Dunnera is no shape to fight any realm...
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Maybe next year... Dunnera is no shape to fight any realm...
And Oroya is still only halfway strength anyways. Why would we fight ANYBODY when our richest region is at half production.
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I do not know if it is realistic (I am not even playing on EC with a noble anymore), but I would expect Perdan to be the one setting things in motion soon: Sirion and Caligus' influence over the continent is large and increasing due to dunnera and nivemus strengthening. If Perdan wants to somehow rebalance things it should try to rally as many realms as possible and try to strike while the allies of Sirion and Caligus are still young and not prepared. But it's not going to be easy :p
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I do not know if it is realistic (I am not even playing on EC with a noble anymore), but I would expect Perdan to be the one setting things in motion soon: Sirion and Caligus' influence over the continent is large and increasing due to dunnera and nivemus strengthening. If Perdan wants to somehow rebalance things it should try to rally as many realms as possible and try to strike while the allies of Sirion and Caligus are still young and not prepared. But it's not going to be easy :p
Caligus got significantly weaker after creating Dunnera. Sure, they have some rich unclaimed regions lying around, but even after they take them, Caligus has gotten weaker. Westmoor is still the strongest of the 3 middle states, even after taking some hits in the war.
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Perdan's influence is the strongest in my opinion. Sirion looks big but Sirion only makes as much income as Perdan. As for Caligus, they have significantly been weakened due to Dunnera. They have about the same number of nobles as Westmoor while having more regions to govern. But their diplomatic position is strongest among the big three, allied with both Perdan and Sirion. If either Perdan or Sirion want to go to war, they need to lower their relations with Caligus first which is not something they neither of them are willing to do first.
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EC vs Atamara
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EC vs Atamara
Atamara wins simply because they are so much bigger, even though we are better. 8)
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Atamara wins simply because they are so much bigger, even though we are better. 8)
Darka has more gold than all the realms on EC put together...
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Darka has more gold than all the realms on EC put together...
I know. What bosses.
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And Oroya is still only halfway strength anyways. Why would we fight ANYBODY when our richest region is at half production.
Maybe Zakilevo thinking other realm going attack Nivemus and lust after its lands...
Perdan's influence is the strongest in my opinion. Sirion looks big but Sirion only makes as much income as Perdan. As for Caligus, they have significantly been weakened due to Dunnera. They have about the same number of nobles as Westmoor while having more regions to govern. But their diplomatic position is strongest among the big three, allied with both Perdan and Sirion. If either Perdan or Sirion want to go to war, they need to lower their relations with Caligus first which is not something they neither of them are willing to do first.
Agree. I always wonder if Perdan and Sirion fight against each other, who will win?
Look like a cooldown period, a rebuilding period before any big war can be launch :P
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Maybe Zakilevo thinking other realm going attack Nivemus and lust after its lands...
Agree. I always wonder if Perdan and Sirion fight against each other, who will win?
Look like a cooldown period, a rebuilding period before any big war can be launch :P
If it is just 1v1 without any other realm interfering, Sirion will probably win. Sirion has about 17 more nobles and makes slightly more income (about 1k more gold?). A difference of 17 nobles is... quite significant.
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It's a pretty meaningless question, since the two realms don't even share a border. Geography, region types, and border fortifications are extremely important, especially for Sirion.
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I doubt Sirion could move efficiently enough to truly strike Perdan. The route itself would impose a true problem and with fortified region the main route for them to reach Perdan. Btw I almost forgot Westmoor is between the two.
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I doubt Sirion could move efficiently enough to truly strike Perdan. The route itself would impose a true problem and with fortified region the main route for them to reach Perdan. Btw I almost forgot Westmoor is between the two.
Perdan is only vulnerable from the south east where they are bordering Caligus. Also, the distance between Sirion and Perdan makes things rather unfavourable for one side to attack the other.
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It's a pretty meaningless question, since the two realms don't even share a border. Geography, region types, and border fortifications are extremely important, especially for Sirion.
Cold war is the only solution. Creeping political influence of nearby realms is the way to go.
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Cold war is the only solution. Creeping political influence of nearby realms is the way to go.
That's how it happened in late '06. Sirion and Fontan punched through Bescanon and into Perdan. (Fontan at the time owned Westmoor city and Troyes.) Neither realm could have done it by themselves, and Perdan couldn't really attack very far into Fontan. Sirion, working with a federated Fontan, managed to do it. Later on, after the formation of Westmoor, Perdan worked with Fontan and Westmoor, and tried to help break through Sirion's defenses, without ever succeeding.
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IS This For REAL?
What are all these alliances for?
Every realm on the continent is allied to another realm who is allied to another, and now to have War a realm should leave the alliance with one of their allies.
COME ON! (╯゜□゜)╯︵ ┻━┻ There must be a limit to this!
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IS This For REAL?
What are all these alliances for?
Every realm on the continent is allied to another realm who is allied to another, and now to have War a realm should leave the alliance with one of their allies.
COME ON! (╯゜□゜)╯︵ ┻━┻ There must be a limit to this!
Maybe limiting the number of alliances would be nice or should have some kind of negative impact for having too many allies... but at the same time it sounds stupid too...
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Artificially restricting diplomacy causes all sorts of problems. It was part of the goal of the New Treaty system that required treaty maintenance to keep them going. The more you had, the more maintenance work you had to do. What it leads to is a lot of "under the table" alliances and understandings. So, for example, Perdan and Westmoor may not be officially allied, but everyone knows that if you attack Perdan, Westmoor will help them kick your ass.
Plus, players *hate* artificial limitations like that.
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Artificially restricting diplomacy causes all sorts of problems. It was part of the goal of the New Treaty system that required treaty maintenance to keep them going. The more you had, the more maintenance work you had to do. What it leads to is a lot of "under the table" alliances and understandings. So, for example, Perdan and Westmoor may not be officially allied, but everyone knows that if you attack Perdan, Westmoor will help them kick your ass.
Plus, players *hate* artificial limitations like that.
Yeah. That is why it is stupid to put limitations usually.
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Sirion geography make for interesting holding position. From Fontan side, I only ever remember a raiding party sent to Sirion northern lands looting as we went and avoid the Sirion army sent to hunt us.
So in the meantime everyone want form their own alliances eh? Northern Alliance, Central Alliance, Southern Alliance. Then we all war again? Interesting ;D
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Well, Caligus just lowered relations with Dunndera to peace. :)
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Well, Caligus just lowered relations with Dunndera to peace. :)
Because I just fined Aiden. Aiden 'probably' went crying to his brother Dobromir.
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Sirion geography make for interesting holding position. From Fontan side, I only ever remember a raiding party sent to Sirion northern lands looting as we went and avoid the Sirion army sent to hunt us.
So in the meantime everyone want form their own alliances eh? Northern Alliance, Central Alliance, Southern Alliance. Then we all war again? Interesting ;D
Which realms would make up these alliances?
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Rejoice people. Another war is imminent.
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Rejoice people. Another war is imminent.
My bet is on Dunnera and Caligus! :D
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Sirion's nigh-impenetrable core vs. Caligus' endless border. Probably going to be Nivemus/Sirion/Dunnera vs Caligus/Westmoor/Perdan. OI might join Caligus' side for a slice of Nivemus' regions (finally, a more stable foothold on the mainland), but the former-Ibladesh realms might want to strike back at Caligus/Perdan. Yes to Island-wide war!
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Weird that Caligus want to war Dunnera, though they were gonna be their buffer against Sirion.
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Weird that Caligus want to war Dunnera, though they were gonna be their buffer against Sirion.
Well Dobromir's policy is if people do not listen to him, they deserve to be subdued or destroyed.
Actually that is how most people play.
Also, he thought Dunnera would be an extension of Caligus but when he realized it was going to be an independent realm, he wanted it dead. Doesn't like having a future threat near him. A smart decision indeed.
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Sounds like Sirion with Nivemus. Funny that.
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Sounds like Sirion with Nivemus. Funny that.
More like Perdan and Westmoor I think. Nivemus is more independent than Westmoor.
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Rejoice people. Another war is imminent.
Zakilevo, a big thank you to you. You know you make it a dream come true :P
Weird that Caligus want to war Dunnera, though they were gonna be their buffer against Sirion.
For those on Dunnera side, it is called Independence War.
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Zakilevo, a big thank you to you. You know you make it a dream come true :P
For those on Dunnera side, it is called Independence War.
No problem Ketchum. It seems I am good at starting wars. I should keep at it :p.
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More like Perdan and Westmoor I think. Nivemus is more independent than Westmoor.
LOL.
In your delusions, Zakky. In your delusions.
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LOL.
In your delusions, Zakky. In your delusions.
LOL.
I wonder which one of us are delusional :p
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Let's see, we have you who attempted to put anything related with Nivemus as a dictation from Sirion.
And we have Westmoor, who as you so frequently complained about, "made their King a liar" because HE DOES NOT SPEAK FOR US.
Funny how that works, eh?
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Let's see, we have you who attempted to put anything related with Nivemus as a dictation from Sirion.
And we have Westmoor, who as you so frequently complained about, "made their King a liar" because HE DOES NOT SPEAK FOR US.
Funny how that works, eh?
What are you even talking about? I stopped any attempt from my own realm to try to control Nivemus. I am actually a fond supporter of what Neji is trying to do :p
I was complaining about Westmoor because of Jor. I trust Turner but not Jor.
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Westmoor has never been controled by Perdan, or a puppet in any sense of the term. They have been friends (sometimes closer than others) and allies, but that's it.
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Westmoor has never been controled by Perdan, or a puppet in any sense of the term. They have been friends (sometimes closer than others) and allies, but that's it.
Same goes for Nivemus. But unlike Sirion, King of Perdan did state in his letter that Westmoor Perdan's colony when we were discussing about the Westmoorian war. Sirion would never call Nivemus Sirion's colony.
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Same goes for Nivemus. But unlike Sirion, King of Perdan did state in his letter that Westmoor Perdan's colony when we were discussing about the Westmoorian war. Sirion would never call Nivemus Sirion's colony.
... So? That doesn't make Westmoor a Perdanese puppet realm. It's an acknowledgment of the way that the realm was formed, and an explanation of the close relations between the two realms. Just because you won't say that Nivemus is a Sirion colony doesn't mean it's not.
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... So? That doesn't make Westmoor a Perdanese puppet realm. It's an acknowledgment of the way that the realm was formed, and an explanation of the close relations between the two realms. Just because you won't say that Nivemus is a Sirion colony doesn't mean it's not.
An interesting way to put it. I never thought Nivemus as Sirion's colony so I always tried to avoid calling Nivemus Sirion's colony. What about Perdan's promise to Sirion? They did promise Sirion that Wesmtoor would not benefit from Fontan's demise which Westmoor did not know of. Sirion never spoke for Nivemus at least while I was the PM. :P
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What about Perdan's promise to Sirion? They did promise Sirion that Wesmtoor would not benefit from Fontan's demise which Westmoor did not know of.
Maybe they were putting diplomatic pressure on Westmoor. It is quite possible that Perdan does not want Westmoor to grow too strong.
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What are you even talking about? I stopped any attempt from my own realm to try to control Nivemus. I am actually a fond supporter of what Neji is trying to do :p
Why thank you! :D
However, I agree with Draco on this one. Nivemus is less independent than Westmoor, if only because we are weaker and therefore do not have as much lee-way power wise. Also, our diplomatic ties are very centered around our relationship with Sirion currently.
Nivemus, though, has never been a puppet. In fact, because of that, there is a small minority who wish that Sirion would alienate themselves from Nivemus, or wipe them off the map. I think that is crazy talk, as the worst we have ever done was keep a guy they deemed a war criminal and try to get the infiltrator that kept attacking him fined. Neji as judge though never banned Celine(even though he had the opportunity to, I pretended she slipped through my fingers), and eventually banned the noble Sirion didn't like.
So, we are very pro-Sirion. But we aren't Sirion controlled. We are Nivemus, not Sirion Lesser.
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Uzamaki, I've never once said that Nivemus is a puppet realm. On the contrary, I've always stressed that Sirion acts as if Nivemus is nothing more than an extension of its will. Much like as it seems Caligus is viewing Dunnera.
And hate to break it to you Zakky, but you frequently tried to act as if Nivemus was nothing but a province of Sirion that allowed YOU to dictate their treaties and foreign policies. Westmoor always told you to GTFO, however, because -we- wouldn't let you dictate any stances or issues we had with a sovereign realm. Of course, Jor likes Nivemus better than Zakky and hopes Caligus manages to capture and execute him. Or at least tortures and deports him for the travesty of justice committed against the kinsman of the King of Caligus.
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Uzamaki, I've never once said that Nivemus is a puppet realm. On the contrary, I've always stressed that Sirion acts as if Nivemus is nothing more than an extension of its will. Much like as it seems Caligus is viewing Dunnera.
And hate to break it to you Zakky, but you frequently tried to act as if Nivemus was nothing but a province of Sirion that allowed YOU to dictate their treaties and foreign policies. Westmoor always told you to GTFO, however, because -we- wouldn't let you dictate any stances or issues we had with a sovereign realm. Of course, Jor likes Nivemus better than Zakky and hopes Caligus manages to capture and execute him. Or at least tortures and deports him for the travesty of justice committed against the kinsman of the King of Caligus.
Dobby told me how much Jor tries to please him. Are you still pissed off about me starting a war which even your nobles enjoyed? Shouldn't you be thanking me for starting a war which didn't end up with one realm totally being destroyed? Let's face it Tanos. The war ended with a reasonable term.
Also, I barely contacted Talius on anything during my time :p. Did I treat Nivemus like they were Sirion's extension? Know what you are talking about. It was Erik who wanted Nivemus to be Sirion's extension. Erik acted like Dobromir and wanted Nivemus gone when they refused to carry out what Sirion demanded. Did we wipe Nivemus out? No. Because we chose to respect Nivemus' decision.
Also, Westmoor didn't always tell me to GTFO. I was actually welcomed when I visited Westmoor without three armies behind me :p Of course when Zakilevo was still a priest.
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Yes, you were. Which is why if you entered Westmoor as a priest now, you'd likely be either stabbed or (if possible at the time) arrested. And, again, executed.
And that's funny. You have to realize, I didn't talk to your ambassador there. Anything I heard related to Nivemus came from you. You seem to have a very selective memory. Then again, you seem to imagine Jor promising you things and "double dealing" when he did no such thing.
Yeah, a handful of nobles enjoyed the war while many more were annoyed by it and some even quit because they simply found it unenjoyable.
But whatever it takes to make you feel better about yourself for using Sirion to bully smaller realms already ravaged by armies that were ACTUALLY powerful (Fontan) rather than imagining they were (such as Sirion's. Love how you claimed great victories when even when Westmoor was defeated you had to limp home) for "fun".
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wait a second, before Zakilevo is running away with the honour of starting this war.
The whole thing wouldn't have happend if i didn't play my character as i played it.
Wasnt it the fued between Davis and Aiden that sparked all this?
If i didn't start that trial, you would never fine him. :P
just joking, a war happens thanks to many great players, in this case also the player of menenthil.
Lets hope this sparks a big one...
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Sirion taking Nivemus as an extension?
Sirion bullying smaller realms ravaged by powerful ones?
What the heck? lol
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Hmmm, well now I have to agree with Zakky on this one.
Zakilevo actually treated Nivemus with a lot of respect, and legitimately tried to create new relationships based on respect off of that. He even calmed Erik and Co. down when Nivemus made the decision to keep the former Fontanese 'war criminal'. Also, Zakilevo never tried to bring Nivemus into war prematurely, and respected the fact that building a realm literally from the ground up is tough work, long work, but our work, and what we needed to do.
I think Zakilevo did a good job of acting like an ally instead of a superior, which surely helped Nivemus along the way.
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'Westmoor always told you to GTFO'
That is what you said. I am merely telling you I was not 'always' unwelcomed. It is rather obvious that if I enter Westmoor now, I will probably get a lot of angry letters from some people.
Yeah, a handful of nobles enjoyed the war while many more were annoyed by it and some even quit because they simply found it unenjoyable.
If they quit because they were annoyed by having a war, good for them. Less stress for them, less cry babies for everyone. Being bullied? Have you ever faced eight realms at once? I don't think so. Don't even talk about being bullied when Sirion didn't even take any regions from Westmoor.
You have to realize, I didn't talk to your ambassador there. Anything I heard related to Nivemus came from you. You seem to have a very selective memory.
Uh obviously. You won't get a chance to talk to Erik. He won't listen to you. Will probably mock you if you try to talk to him. And I have a very selective memory? Are you talking about yourself? Or maybe you are just trying to interpret things to your advantage. It is obvious you are taking things too personally. Chill out bro. You are playing a game. You obviously played in one realm for too long and are too attached to Westmoor.
wait a second, before Zakilevo is running away with the honour of starting this war.
The whole thing wouldn't have happend if i didn't play my character as i played it.
Wasnt it the fued between Davis and Aiden that sparked all this?
If i didn't start that trial, you would never fine him.
just joking, a war happens thanks to many great players, in this case also the player of menenthil.
Lets hope this sparks a big one...
You are right I shouldn't take the credit! You should LOL.
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Can we jump to the "X Has Declare War on X" part please?
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Can we jump to the "X Has Declare War on X" part please?
Yes. We are getting off track. Sorry about that.
At the moment, I am not sure if the war is going to happen or not. Things are changing constantly and Dunnera's king has changed his mind to find a compromise.
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You are right I shouldn't take the credit! You should LOL.
haha don't worry thats exactly what i am doing
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Dunnera is in quite vulnerable position. Military-wise Caligus is bigger and can field a big army. In term of potential, it could swing either way. If other realms decide to ally with Dunnera and launch attack, Dunnera may stand a better chance. This is alliance scenario speaking ;)
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oew it looks like the Mad King and his Kingdom marches upon the Weak King and the loud Dunnerans.
This time the weak king is not going to betray his own realm to save his duchy, but he seems to choose to fight, thill the end.
King Dobromir has anounced to take back An najaf, Visue and Fontan city.
Will any other realms jump in? or will this be another silly small realm bash with no other realm daring to do anything afraid of also beeing anihilated?
Would be so lame if this war wouldnt spark a continental mayem.
I mean all we need is right there.
A Mad King overstepping him self in trying to create puppet realm in order to strenghten his influence over the EC by forcing this colony to apoint the mad kings brother as Duke of there only duchy.
The funny thing is that King treamlin seriously weakned cohesion in his own realm by betraying dunnera at first to the demands of the Mad King.
The nobles do not want Dobromirs brother as Duke, lord or realm member any more after destroying Fontan city completly (raiasing taxes, detsroying RCs, removing markets, calling holiday, destroying all infrastructure like acedmies or healing houses etc etc) and asking his brother to attack Dunnera after several treats.
They want to fight for there independency instead of fading away in history like Dobromirs slaves.
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oew it looks like the Mad King and his Kingdom marches upon the Weak King and the loud Dunnerans.
This time the weak king is not going to betray his own realm to save his duchy, but he seems to choose to fight, thill the end.
King Dobromir has anounced to take back An najaf, Visue and Fontan city.
Will any other realms jump in? or will this be another silly small realm bash with no other realm daring to do anything afraid of also beeing anihilated?
Would be so lame if this war wouldnt spark a continental mayem.
I mean all we need is right there.
A Mad King overstepping him self in trying to create puppet realm in order to strenghten his influence over the EC by forcing this colony to apoint the mad kings brother as Duke of there only duchy.
The funny thing is that King treamlin seriously weakned cohesion in his own realm by betraying dunnera at first to the demands of the Mad King.
The nobles do not want Dobromirs brother as Duke, lord or realm member any more after destroying Fontan city completly (raiasing taxes, detsroying RCs, removing markets, calling holiday, destroying all infrastructure like acedmies or healing houses etc etc) and asking his brother to attack Dunnera after several treats.
They want to fight for there independency instead of fading away in history like Dobromirs slaves.
Perhaps you want to throw that speech in the role-playing section!
To be fair, Dunnerans pretty much brought this upon themselves. Banish the duke of the capital, brother of the one who pretty much created that realm seems like a greedy, power seeker act to me, and sort of bad timed. You should have done this once Dunnera had taken Krimml and the other regions and fortified and not now that you can barely field an army to kill a large group of undeads...
I don't know how was the relations with the rest of the realms but with Sirion the only thing Dunnera did was demanding lands, in fact since the problem was between Davis and Aiden, We recalled that Davis lied about Karbala moving to join Dunnera, subject that was never on the table. That kinda ended to discredit whatever Davis of Dunnera was saying/doing.
I know you are probably frustrated since you were one that pushed forward to create Dunnera but at least in my eyes the realm was really bad handled.
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ow yes, the realm was handled bad indeed by almost everyone involved espeiclay on the part if it would be puppet state or not(sovreing or not).
and yes, my speech was totally subjective and more a roleplay than antyhing else.
I just like to call Dobromir the Mad King and exurate, gives a nice touch to it don't you say? :P
I don't really see the value in trying to be objective on these forums anyway, noone really can, so why not just make fun of it?
And i am just a little frustrated that this might not turn out into an intresting war.
Because conflicts is why i play BM.
A realm without conflicts with its self or others is just boring.
yet i also have to correct you on the Lord aiden thing.
he always remained lord after the sucsesion untill he destroyed dunneras capital after he was fined 200 gold and quickly got banned.
The realm never 'planned' to get rid of him or anything, the government would rather have him on there side than against them.
But that doesn't mean they would accept high treason.
Also, no Lord aiden didn't found the Realm, treamlin did, Aiden just agreed by stepping down.
After the creation Lord Aiden also did almost nothing, he didn't even wrote letters untill he sacked the capital city that is.
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Well well obviously people are telling part of the story to make it look good for themselves.
Basically the situation occurred that Davis was conspiring to get Aiden replaced in many messages in the council. Aiden protested the noble with this message
Aiden has expressed his disagreement with the Banker's recent actions. He is giving this reason:
New to the realm an adventurer and new to a banker position and you already begin to plot against the Duke and the person who allowed the succession of Dunnera to happen.
Davis then took it out of context acting as if this was being called a commoner in which the word wasnt even mentioned. The end result was a fine. Aiden reacted by keeping the same tax rate but raising the amount of taxes knights pay to him directly (it was not a sabatage act) militia was lowered from 1.7K to 1K because he didnt agree with the fine.
Government paniced. Banished Aiden from the realm THEN he sacked the city because he was banished without reasoning. After commossion Dunnera agreed to ban Davis and restore Aiden. After 5 days they went against this once again and shortly after Caligus declared war.
Honestly Dunnera are 100% guilty in all this they just try and somehow rationalise they are innocent in all of this and it is honestly a complete joke of a war in my opinion. Its not even going to be fun just a slaughter and a waste of time in actually building a nation that could have done something in the future.
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ow yes, the realm was handled bad indeed by almost everyone involved espeiclay on the part if it would be puppet state or not(sovreing or not).
and yes, my speech was totally subjective and more a roleplay than antyhing else.
I just like to call Dobromir the Mad King and exurate, gives a nice touch to it don't you say? :P
I don't really see the value in trying to be objective on these forums anyway, noone really can, so why not just make fun of it?
And i am just a little frustrated that this might not turn out into an intresting war.
Because conflicts is why i play BM.
A realm without conflicts with its self or others is just boring.
yet i also have to correct you on the Lord aiden thing.
he always remained lord after the sucsesion untill he destroyed dunneras capital after he was fined 200 gold and quickly got banned.
The realm never 'planned' to get rid of him or anything, the government would rather have him on there side than against them.
But that doesn't mean they would accept high treason.
Also, no Lord aiden didn't found the Realm, treamlin did, Aiden just agreed by stepping down.
After the creation Lord Aiden also did almost nothing, he didn't even wrote letters untill he sacked the capital city that is.
Aiden didn't funded Dunnera, neither Traemlin, Dobromir did because if it wasn't for Dobromir's will there wouldn't be any Dunnera in the first place.
Of course i disagree with Dobromir's intention of creating a puppet realm, 100% agree with you on that but how Dunnera handled things it was really foolish. You don't want to be a puppet realm yet you go demand Sirion to handle Negev because DOBROMIR requested Negev for Dunnera. So you use Caligus to get lands and then kick the most influential character out of the captal?
If you love to generate conflicts then just enjoy it, but there isn't really nothing you can justify tho you can be proud that you brought Dunnera into its doom! :P
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Conflict woo shake things up!!!
Interesting, perhaps this new realm should live! Then again death to the rebels the empire must conquer all...
Puppet realm created and destroyed with in 3months mm reminds me of Darka's puppet they made long ago.
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Aiden didn't funded Dunnera, neither Traemlin, Dobromir did because if it wasn't for Dobromir's will there wouldn't be any Dunnera in the first place.
Of course i disagree with Dobromir's intention of creating a puppet realm, 100% agree with you on that but how Dunnera handled things it was really foolish. You don't want to be a puppet realm yet you go demand Sirion to handle Negev because DOBROMIR requested Negev for Dunnera. So you use Caligus to get lands and then kick the most influential character out of the captal?
If you love to generate conflicts then just enjoy it, but there isn't really nothing you can justify tho you can be proud that you brought Dunnera into its doom! :P
Yeah of you look at it that way then yes Dobromir created it.
The actual sucsesion was done by Treamlin who also decided on how to rule the realm and its culture as far as he could go...
I also fully agree hes not such a smart diplomat or King... at all.
Your example is one out of tousands.
The worse one is of course to first be anti Aiden, then pro Aiden and then anti Aiden again not just by words but also by actions, he got Aidens ban lifted and anounced to reapointment and also just forgiving him for his high treason telling the realm not to fight Caligus. a few days later he wants him banned again and tells the realm we should fight.
Same happened with Davis, first he supporoted Davis the next day he exiles him for stuff he actually had Lord Aiden trialed for because it was made up.
Davis was ought to be part of some uber secret movement that controled the entire cotninent... nice compliment but far away from the truth, very far... :P
Another big mistake was not involving the nobility of the realm in deciding how to rule it or what course to fair, especialy concerning King Dobromirs power over the realm.
And if my chars persistent sturggle against Aiden will cause the destruction of a whole realm or a big war, i'd certainly be proud :) (yeay something happens)
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I FEEL SO LEFT OUT :'(
I forgot why I had a forum account, but no way... Why am I missing this discussion!
I also fully agree hes not such a smart diplomat or King... at all.
Your example is one out of tousands.
The worse one is of course to first be anti Aiden, then pro Aiden and then anti Aiden again not just by words but also by actions, he got Aidens ban lifted and anounced to reapointment and also just forgiving him for his high treason telling the realm not to fight Caligus. a few days later he wants him banned again and tells the realm we should fight.
Same happened with Davis, first he supporoted Davis the next day he exiles him for stuff he actually had Lord Aiden trialed for because it was made up.
Davis was ought to be part of some uber secret movement that controled the entire cotninent... nice compliment but far away from the truth, very far... :P
Another big mistake was not involving the nobility of the realm in deciding how to rule it or what course to fair, especialy concerning King Dobromirs power over the realm.
I totally agree. I kinda wanted Davis to be out as soon as the conflict started. Leonardo was still pro-Caligus at that time. I was actually waiting for elections to come so he can be voted out. Turns out its not even a month.. Then the rallying in Sordidus plus militia and tax share raising. I admit I panicked. It definitely looked like a deliberate attempt to lower defenses!
And yeah.. definitely beats clearing monsters and repair regions. Oh no, wait. Warrior Heroes can't do anything during peace time.
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I am still of the opinion that if a realm wants a splinter of it to be subordinate to its will, the new ruler should be a prince, a grand duke, something other than an equal rank to the originating realm's ruler.
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I am still of the opinion that if a realm wants a splinter of it to be subordinate to its will, the new ruler should be a prince, a grand duke, something other than an equal rank to the originating realm's ruler.
Then there should be a option that instead of creating a new realm during the secession, we could create a Protectorate. With this we could have a different message group instead a new realm and the Leader of this could be a Prince/ess.
We can add some options to this to make it balance, but we need to make noise with this on the Feature Request.
Peace!
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I am still of the opinion that if a realm wants a splinter of it to be subordinate to its will, the new ruler should be a prince, a grand duke, something other than an equal rank to the originating realm's ruler.
I hope this never happens... Nivemus would have been so boring had we been Sirion's play thing...
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I am still of the opinion that if a realm wants a splinter of it to be subordinate to its will, the new ruler should be a prince, a grand duke, something other than an equal rank to the originating realm's ruler.
I actually agree with this. If you are a ruler and you want to create a puppet, you should not be giving the ruler of your colony a title like 'king'. It means you are admitting he is your equal. Maybe Dunnera should have been called Principality of Dunnera instead of Kingdom of Dunnera.
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Dunnera was not meant to be a puppet. They were just meant to keep their word. Dunnera was never asked to bow down to Caligus nor was Dobromir ever going to ask them to. Just Dunnera displayed insulting rogue actions for the sake of being 'free'. Lets say they went about everything completely the wrong way and simply an idiotic fashion to get yourself killed.
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Actually, from Dobromir's messages, it really does seem like he wanted to use Dunnera as a Caligus puppet...
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Actually, from Dobromir's messages, it really does seem like he wanted to use Dunnera as a Caligus puppet...
Well Dobromir did send a letter to Traemlin saying this:
I am sorry to threaten you but Dunnera is supposed to be an extension of Caligus and it is obviously not.
Clears things a bit.
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You should be mistaken if you think that Caligus will let secede a duchy and create another realm if it wasn't for Defense purpose.
It has been proven many times, Power Realms need Buffer States if they want to preserve their power without risking their own land.
In resume, Dunnera is a shield from Sirion/Nivemus, like Westmoor is for Perdan(may claim otherwise) and DOA was for Ibladesh. and last but not least @#A!^T(*%A(*)M&^&A(!(#)@R$%A.
So i am on Caligus's side on erasing that mistake and erecting a new puppet.
Peace!
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Actually there is no new plans to create a new realm in Dunnera place. Dobromir is taking it as the whole idea was a mistake because it turned out badly. Furthermore, Dobromir dished out those words on purpose to see whether the nobles that joined Dunnera from Caligus were still loyal to Caligus or not. Only the two main people who gained leadership positions turned out to not be loyal anymore.
But yeah at this point Caligus has no interest in peace because it sees an enemy now and in the future best to eliminate an enemy that has simply conspired against you from day one.
I still think its all rather pathetic to be honest. Dunnera is just going to hole up in Fontan city its not like they are really going to fight.
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Actually there is no new plans to create a new realm in Dunnera place. Dobromir is taking it as the whole idea was a mistake because it turned out badly. Furthermore, Dobromir dished out those words on purpose to see whether the nobles that joined Dunnera from Caligus were still loyal to Caligus or not. Only the two main people who gained leadership positions turned out to not be loyal anymore.
But yeah at this point Caligus has no interest in peace because it sees an enemy now and in the future best to eliminate an enemy that has simply conspired against you from day one.
I still think its all rather pathetic to be honest. Dunnera is just going to hole up in Fontan city its not like they are really going to fight.
What do you mean?
Do you really think Dunnera can be much of a treat against the mighty Caligus if it Couldn't grow bigger then it currently is?
As i said before, wars of elimination are really a buzz kill.
let them live in restriction, there is nothing they can do really.
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Well Dobromir did send a letter to Traemlin saying this:
I am sorry to threaten you but Dunnera is supposed to be an extension of Caligus and it is obviously not.
Clears things a bit.
+1. Saw it somewhere, someone...
On another note, Viseu has returned to Caligus.
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I wonder where all the Dunneran nobles will go.
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I wonder where all the Dunneran nobles will go.
Away from EC..at least I am. Whole thing has left a bad taste in my mouth over the entire island.
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Yeah i am afraid IF dunnera falls most of the dunnerans will disperse with alot less motivation as before.
However Davis will try to keep them together, he believes the whole crisis has given Dunnera a character, a culture something that unites the nobles.
While all the weaklings coward away from a fight, the true dunnerans will stand against all odds and show the continent how a true noble warrior fights for his valour and honour.
That is what Davis believes has become dunnera, a culture surounded on honour, heroism, strenght by the sword and glory in battle, where weakness is the most foul of all traits.
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Lets say they went about everything completely the wrong way and simply an idiotic fashion to get yourself killed.
Let me give the average Dunneran knights view of the events.
Aiden was accused of calling the Royal Treasurer of Dunnera a commoner. There was a trial that lasted two days I think. Aiden had the opportunity to defend himself but chose to remain silent. Not surprisingly he was fined 200 gold. What happened after that?
Well, suddenly Caligus is down our necks about things, lowering relations and starting to threaten with war. It was concluded Aiden had gone to his kin in Caligus and cried foul. No surprise that he was then banned for being the traitor he was for drawing a foreign power into an internal matter. Aiden then further enraged everyone in the realm by tearing down every structure in Fontan.
The king of Caligus continued making crazy demands of returning everything to Aiden after he pretty much gave the entire realm the middle finger with his actions. You're surprised very few are willing to entertain the idea of Aiden holding any sort of position of power in Dunnera after that?
The fact our leaders were indecisive and generally seemed to handle things like a bunch of amateurs probably didn't help, but then again I don't think anyone could have changed things since it's all pretty much a single player throwing a tantrum while holding all the cards.
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What do you mean?
Do you really think Dunnera can be much of a treat against the mighty Caligus if it Couldn't grow bigger then it currently is?
As i said before, wars of elimination are really a buzz kill.
let them live in restriction, there is nothing they can do really.
From Caligus point of view why in the world would they allow it. Furthermore, probably Davis went on Dobromir's blacklist which likely means an island wide ban :P
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From Caligus point of view why in the world would they allow it. Furthermore, probably Davis went on Dobromir's blacklist which likely means an island wide ban :P
Dobromir would really do that to Davis? Well that sucks for him.
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Hell, at this point Davis would go on my blacklist. His ooc posts are always ic propaganda, I could only imagine how horrible it is ic.
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Ehem.
I believe credit is due where credit is due =P
That is all
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Dobromir would really do that to Davis? Well that sucks for him.
After his propaganda against both Menethil's in Dunnera obviously yes. His only choice was to overthrow both of us or face that fate very obviously it looks like the latter is happening
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After his propaganda against both Menethil's in Dunnera obviously yes. His only choice was to overthrow both of us or face that fate very obviously it looks like the latter is happening
I suppose so. Guess he bit off more than he could chew.
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Huge Battle Fought (14 minutes ago)
Rumours spread and tales are sung about a huge battle in Negev:
Caligus vs. Dunnera
Estimated strengths: 760 men vs. 370 men
The Caligus' Golden Talons (Caligus), sponsored by Dobromir Menethil, King of Caligus, were led into battle by Marshal Crescent Strika.
Sir Actron Burep, Royal Treasurer of Caligus, Count of Abadan is spotted wielding the Doomed Arrow of Doom.
Defender Victory!
Lol what?
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Huge Battle Fought (14 minutes ago)
Rumours spread and tales are sung about a huge battle in Negev:
Caligus vs. Dunnera
Estimated strengths: 760 men vs. 370 men
The Caligus' Golden Talons (Caligus), sponsored by Dobromir Menethil, King of Caligus, were led into battle by Marshal Crescent Strika.
Sir Actron Burep, Royal Treasurer of Caligus, Count of Abadan is spotted wielding the Doomed Arrow of Doom.
Defender Victory!
Lol what?
They attacked fortified Negev with a fraction of their army.
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They attacked fortified Negev with a fraction of their army.
Ahh. I see. Seemed odd...
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Ahh. I see. Seemed odd...
Perhaps Caligus' general has underestimated the power of Friday...
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Huge Battle Fought (11 minutes ago)
Rumours spread and tales are sung about a huge battle in Negev:
Caligus vs. Dunnera
Estimated strengths: 760 men vs. 370 men
The Caligus' Golden Talons (Caligus), sponsored by Dobromir Menethil, King of Caligus, were led into battle by Marshal Crescent Strika.
Sir Actron Burep, Royal Treasurer of Caligus, Count of Abadan is spotted wielding the Doomed Arrow of Doom.
Defender Victory!
Anyone wonder why Caligus lost to Dunnera? Think they havent field their full army? :o
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Anyone wonder why Caligus lost to Dunnera? Think they havent field their full army? :o
They attacked fortified Negev with a fraction of their army.
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Bad movement is bad movement. Just over 50% of the force available decided to actually do the attack. The funnier part was Dunnera didnt even more to defend because I fed their characters in Caligus false info. Wish I could see the messages in Dunnera :P
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Hell, at this point Davis would go on my blacklist. His ooc posts are always ic propaganda, I could only imagine how horrible it is ic.
With Davis you mean me? what kind of aditude is that.
It's just a game, don't take all my (OOC) to literal and serious.
You don't have to put me on a blacklist for writing a few overexegarated messages.
I am not sending out ooc 'propaganda' i am either saying what i want or what i think is funny to say.
I am not deliberately trying to change your opinions what ever the cost, truth or not.
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I thought it was pretty obvious why Caligus lost.
Sir Actron Burep, Royal Treasurer of Caligus, Count of Abadan is spotted wielding the Doomed Arrow of Doom.
Seriously? What kind of person takes that into battle? How do they think it got its name?
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I think Gir would have something to say about that...
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With Davis you mean me? what kind of aditude is that.
It's just a game, don't take all my (OOC) to literal and serious.
You don't have to put me on a blacklist for writing a few overexegarated messages.
I am not sending out ooc 'propaganda' i am either saying what i want or what i think is funny to say.
I am not deliberately trying to change your opinions what ever the cost, truth or not.
My reasoning is purely in character and I have already done it anyways with Dobromir. Davis has an out clause if he admits to his crimes and apologises infront of all the rulers. So in the end im being nice giving you an OOC out. Plus trying to lie on forums a place where people can at least admit to them playing IC evil is a bit wrong. I have no issue with Davis lying about everything but if you insist on lying on forums just because its funny is just low and wrong. You wish to give my characters a hard time well your time on the EC will likely be very very short.
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I thought it was pretty obvious why Caligus lost.
Seriously? What kind of person takes that into battle? How do they think it got its name?
Hah, maybe the person the arrow hits is the one doomed? And then the arrow itself is doomed to remain inside a corpse for the rest of existence.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DoomyDoomsOfDoom
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My reasoning is purely in character and I have already done it anyways with Dobromir. Davis has an out clause if he admits to his crimes and apologises infront of all the rulers. So in the end im being nice giving you an OOC out. Plus trying to lie on forums a place where people can at least admit to them playing IC evil is a bit wrong. I have no issue with Davis lying about everything but if you insist on lying on forums just because its funny is just low and wrong. You wish to give my characters a hard time well your time on the EC will likely be very very short.
it was not directed to you.
And no i am not lying on the forums or anything.
And i don't really care that you like to give treats on the forum to my characters...
Why should i care?
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I do not think Dunnera will survive a second onslaught barring miracle. The General is quite a veteran player, Crescent Strike used to be in one of other character realm 8)
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So we can't cheer for Dunnera?
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So we can't cheer for Dunnera?
I'm cheering for Dunnera :D
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I'm cheering for Dunnera :D
You're the ruler you're supposed to :P
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This seems all too similar. I feel bad for the Dunnerans. Was rather expected though. Don't toy with Dobby's duo of power. Bad idea gents.
Any fleeing EC that wish are welcome to join a former Caligan in Solaria!
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This seems all too similar. I feel bad for the Dunnerans. Was rather expected though. Don't toy with Dobby's duo of power. Bad idea gents.
Any fleeing EC that wish are welcome to join a former Caligan in Solaria!
Lol trust me this is one massive mess IC its quite comical
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Caligus is lucky to have such experienced General in Crescent. If only his hot blood does not contribute to commit half the army into that first battle while the whole Caligus army are not ready... Oh well, we cannot have everything perfectly setup, can we?
I am cheering for Dunnera, the underdog. Nothing like an underrated horse upset the form book, by upstaging the heavily betted and favored horse, aye ::) Maybe we should start taking bet on how long Dunnera can survive eh no? 8)
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I'm glad Crescent took up the helm. I am indifferent in the outcome, I just hope it's an enjoyable conflict.
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Caligus is lucky to have such experienced General in Crescent. If only his hot blood does not contribute to commit half the army into that first battle while the whole Caligus army are not ready... Oh well, we cannot have everything perfectly setup, can we?
I am cheering for Dunnera, the underdog. Nothing like an underrated horse upset the form book, by upstaging the heavily betted and favored horse, aye ::) Maybe we should start taking bet on how long Dunnera can survive eh no? 8)
It will be a while. They have a rich city so they cant probably keep enough army in the city to fend off any attack from one realm as long as they keep getting food. Once that ceases it will fall. So its just a matter of how quick that happens.
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Fun Fact:
I knew player of Strika some 5 years back. We were classmates for 2 years, and he was the one that brought me into BM. We are in the same institution now, just different diploma courses. =D
And I will put up a good fight. No way I'm losing to him.
PS: He's an a-hole. HAHAHA... JK..
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I support Caligus, a puppet should not revolt!
The Order must be Restored!
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Go Dunnera! Make them evil Caligans bleed!
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Fun Fact:
I knew player of Strika some 5 years back. We were classmates for 2 years, and he was the one that brought me into BM. We are in the same institution now, just different diploma courses. =D
And I will put up a good fight. No way I'm losing to him.
PS: He's an a-hole. HAHAHA... JK..
Sitting in capital isnt putting up a good fight!
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I'm reading the skies. The priests said that meteors are about to hit your ranks and the Dunneran army will come trampling your demoralized men. I'm just waiting for the day to come. 8)
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Francios! Keep up the good fight! (and if it falls apart the descendants of the Von Richthofen family and a Tranquilli are in Solaria!)
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I could remember Markus Von Richthofen. But for Tranquilli...
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Ya, the descendants of the Von Richthofen clan came back after they passed away into oblivion. Solaria is home now, House Guile. :D
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Sitting in capital isnt putting up a good fight!
The longer this sit-in capital defence going on, the more this look like Tuchanon V all over again...
Oh well. Better have a popcorn ready to watch the movie and drama series :D
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Updates.
Dunnera forces tried to stop the TO in An Najaf, but horrible movement resulted in a one-sided battle. The next turn An Najaf goes to Caligus.
Then, Leonardo got voted out from High Marshal.
Mehh.. this gonna be bad...
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Abandon ship Francios. Come, join the dark side of Dwilight! ;)
So is coordination or just activity your problem?
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Abandon ship Francios. Come, join the dark side of Dwilight! ;)
So is coordination or just activity your problem?
BOTH
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Yeah. BOTH.
Only 8 moved. If we had more TLs....
Nahh... Not gonna abandon ship. Leonardo isn't that kind of person who will run away. He will choose to fulfill his duties, and right now, as the lord of Fontan.
Well, looking on the bright side, I can be more relaxed now without that added responsibility. And the new High Marshal is from Himoura family. Long time player, hopefully he has some tricks up his sleeves. :-\
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Himoura? He's been the general of MI on Atamara for a long time.
Make of that what you will...
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Yeah... MI last in an unfavorable war. Hopefully Dunnera can do so.
And, a yellow paper from the titans struck two hours ago. Davis is removed from his positions.
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i have no idea exactly what its about btw.
it only said that davis asked a lord in the region to be active, i don't exactly know where it refers to and what it means with it.
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Go Dunnera! Make them evil Caligans bleed!
Yeah go Ibladesh! *Cough* I mean... Come to Eponllyn where we all love Caligus so much :D
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Yeah go Ibladesh! *Cough* I mean... Come to Eponllyn where we all love Caligus so much :D
Isn't Armonia better than Eponllyn?
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You changed your name to Rolly?
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You changed your name to Rolly?
Yep.
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Yep.
Weird...
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Since everyone is saying 'Rolly' is weird and confusing... I will just change back to Zaki :'(
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Victory!
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Since everyone is saying 'Rolly' is weird and confusing... I will just change back to Zaki :'(
YAAAAAAAAAAYYY!
Victory!
(http://www.eastcoastrollingthunder.com/smf/Smileys/tons/victory.gif)
Every time i saw one of your post i was wondering "who was this new guy who knew too much"....even after you telling...
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Isn't Armonia better than Eponllyn?
Eponllyn is the second best realm. Sorry Detty, but Gondolin still is the best King ever :p You are the best Queen though :)
Dobby is the worse. :p
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I have to admit that, lately, being an Eponi noble is a bit boring. Too bad the war with Ammonia ended so quickly.
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I have to admit that, lately, being an Eponi noble is a bit boring. Too bad the war with Ammonia ended so quickly.
Surely there will be another one. Both realms are kinda getting back from the previous war against the Ibbies right?
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In a manner of speaking, yes. Both Eponllyn and Armonia are fragments of the former Ibladesh. Armonia is bigger at the moment, but Eponllyn has greater expansion possibility due to the addition of Ibladesh city. Provided we can feed that pig. Al Arab and Ibladesh are still both extremely depopulated, so we're generating very large surpluses of food. This will change as they grow.
Eponllyn's biggest problem is the lack of nobles. We have plenty of land and potential, but lack of nobility to be able to project our theoretical strength. That was our problem in the war with Armonia. We had plenty of gold, and plenty of recruits to hire, but couldn't get enough nobles to lead those troops. By being careful with their movement, Armonia could slowly advance into our land one region at a time. We were stuck fighting battle we knew we would lose, just to slow them down.
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In a manner of speaking, yes. Both Eponllyn and Armonia are fragments of the former Ibladesh. Armonia is bigger at the moment, but Eponllyn has greater expansion possibility due to the addition of Ibladesh city. Provided we can feed that pig. Al Arab and Ibladesh are still both extremely depopulated, so we're generating very large surpluses of food. This will change as they grow.
Eponllyn's biggest problem is the lack of nobles. We have plenty of land and potential, but lack of nobility to be able to project our theoretical strength. That was our problem in the war with Armonia. We had plenty of gold, and plenty of recruits to hire, but couldn't get enough nobles to lead those troops. By being careful with their movement, Armonia could slowly advance into our land one region at a time. We were stuck fighting battle we knew we would lose, just to slow them down.
It seems not many people are attracted by Eponllyn... wonder why ???
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It seems not many people are attracted by Eponllyn... wonder why ???
I would say its the name
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Eponllyn's biggest problem is the lack of nobles. We have plenty of land and potential, but lack of nobility to be able to project our theoretical strength.
It seems not many people are attracted by Eponllyn... wonder why ???
I will tell you what's the problem with Eponllyn.
I was part of Eponllyn (check my sig) but they don't please the nobles to stay, i have a Cavalier there, and i needed cavalry unit, they didn't wanted to construct center, and demolished the existing one.
Lastly they told me that if i wanted cavalry centers i had to use my family gold to have one, so i hitchhiked a coach to Armonia, there i was well treated, got centres, got resources, christ! my currently unit is a 900CS cavalry unit that i used to run over Eponllyn in couple of battles.
Thats is (at least one) of Eponllyn problems.
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I will tell you what's the problem with Eponllyn.
I was part of Eponllyn (check my sig) but they don't please the nobles to stay, i have a Cavalier there, and i needed cavalry unit, they didn't wanted to construct center, and demolished the existing one.
Lastly they told me that if i wanted cavalry centers i had to use my family gold to have one, so i hitchhiked a coach to Armonia, there i was well treated, got centres, got resources, christ! my currently unit is a 900CS cavalry unit that i used to run over Eponllyn in couple of battles.
Thats is (at least one) of Eponllyn problems.
... Really? Wow... No wonder no one wants to go there. Anyone wants to say something to defend Eponllyn? :o
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... Really? Wow... No wonder no one wants to go there. Anyone wants to say something to defend Eponllyn? :o
Doesn't really matter what they do now. As long as at the end of the journey, Perdan and Caligus lie in ashes and the Four are worshiped once more.
Same goes for Armonia.
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Your false gods will never see worship in these lands, heathen! The Church of Ibladesh is ash, as it belongs! Praise the Divine, Her Light shall brighten the entire continent one day!
Assuming more damned bugs don't screw with religious spread.
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So if Ibby religion rises again I think it would be mm interesting to say the least. How many religions have risen up again and taken back what was theirs? Perhaps, we will see Dunnera beat Caligus with the help of Nievmus O_O... then again I doubt it
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Perhaps, we will see Dunnera beat Caligus with the help of Nievmus O_O... then again I doubt it
Nope.
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So if Ibby religion rises again I think it would be mm interesting to say the least. How many religions have risen up again and taken back what was theirs? Perhaps, we will see Dunnera beat Caligus with the help of Nievmus O_O... then again I doubt it
Nope. If Nivemus join to help Dunnera, Perdan will jump on Caligus' side and everyone knows Perdan is bigger and stronger than Nivemus :o
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Nope. If Nivemus join to help Dunnera, Perdan will jump on Caligus' side and everyone knows Perdan is bigger and stronger than Nivemus :o
Well, that and the fact that warring with Caligus never ends well for the other side. Ever.
Besides, I just got a peace treaty with Caligus, AND Sirion is Caligus' ally. Why would I screw with that?
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Why would I screw with that?
There is nothing else to watch on TV, the Dunnera-Caligus thing is like watching "Meet the Spartans" come on!
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Sonya's got a point. ZZZzzz ::) :o
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I will tell you what's the problem with Eponllyn.
I was part of Eponllyn (check my sig) but they don't please the nobles to stay, i have a Cavalier there, and i needed cavalry unit, they didn't wanted to construct center, and demolished the existing one.
Lastly they told me that if i wanted cavalry centers i had to use my family gold to have one, so i hitchhiked a coach to Armonia, there i was well treated, got centres, got resources, christ! my currently unit is a 900CS cavalry unit that i used to run over Eponllyn in couple of battles.
Thats is (at least one) of Eponllyn problems.
That's not quite true. One of our big problems (also tying in to Indirik's post) is that our infrastructure is in very poor condition. Our lands were completely destroyed by Perdan in the Ibladesh War whereas Armonia was pretty much untouched. We have one small city fully functional. Al Arab has gained 800 peasants in nearly 6 months and Ibladesh City has less than 2% of it's total population. Neither can sustain recruitment centres, they just break down within weeks of them being built. 3 of our rurals aren't at full pop either.
We were also quite gold poor at the time you were there I believe, it wasn't long after we were created.
It's not that we didn't want to build cavalry centres but we couldn't justify spending 600 gold to try for a cavalry centre when we could spend 200 gold on a normal centre that had more chance of creating something successfully. We needed new infantry and archery centres just as much and we had to prioritise them given that they form the bulk of an army.
I don't know who told you that you had to use your family gold but I'm pretty sure that I at least made it clear we didn't have the money to try just for cavalry centres at that time. That one cavalry centre that we had in Jariedma had stats of 40/30 I believe and it was pushing up the costs of building new ones and with the terrible quality of the troops it wasn't worth keeping. It's not that we didn't care it's that we didn't have much choice at the time.
I was actually very sad to see you leave as I loved your RPs about our one very poor cavalry centre and your band of 'circus' troops, they made me laugh on more than on occassion. So it makes me sad that the reason you left is basically that Armonia is richer than us. One day we will recreate the Black Riders of Aix, hey our banner even has a horse head on it ;)
We had money during the war to recruit units yes but Armonia, with one large and one medium sized city were always going to have more. They already have some of the richest families in the game in terms of family wealth. We have potential to be a powerful realm but at the rate our cities are growing it is going to be a while before we can realise our full potential so until then all we can hope for is another continent wide war that we can jump into (makes eyes at Hinamoto and Dobromir).
In the mean time I have plans to flesh out a new religion which will see me leaving the holding of Semall to someone else :)
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There is nothing else to watch on TV, the Dunnera-Caligus thing is like watching "Meet the Spartans" come on!
Well, there is that. But, I do not have suicidal tendencies.
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That's pretty poor form to go trashing Eponllyn for that. The realm was just trying to get on its feet. It was only a few regions that were completely stripped bare by the war. They had to rebuild everything from the ground up. And as Deytheur said, the one cavalry center they had was garbage. It needed to be torn down. You can hardly compare a realm like that to anywhere on Atamara, where the entire island is full of rich, established realms who hand out gold like candy on Halloween.
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Atamara, where the entire island is full of rich, established realms who hand out gold like candy on Halloween.
Is this true? which realm hands gold like candy?!
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Is this true? which realm hands gold like candy?!
Darka.
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I should join Darka and increase my family gold then :D
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That's a good way to get yourself a quick ban.
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That's a good way to get yourself a quick ban.
Yup. They hand out gold like candy, but they monitor it pretty well. Darka is a well oiled machine.
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Too bad :( Darka sounded like an awesome realm for me to stash some gold away. Maybe I should try Suvile.
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That's pretty poor form to go trashing Eponllyn for that.
Well it was my Divine right to choose which unit to command, so i wouldn't stay sitting ducks waiting for a center to come down from the heavens.
That's not quite true. One of our big problems (also tying in to Indirik's post) is that our infrastructure is in very poor condition.
Come on there was not needed to demolish the only center.
As most people say "the first impression is the one that matters" an for a character who favor the cavalry, it was an insult being asked to drop my cavalry and use Infantry.
You can hardly compare a realm like that to anywhere on Atamara, where the entire island is full of rich, established realms who hand out gold like candy on Halloween.
....we are no talking about gold :-\
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But well that was my opinion IC of Eponllyn, there are good players there and now with Ibladesh things will be different!
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It was definitely your Divine right to choose which unit you wanted to lead. However, Eponllyn did not include in its choices Cavalry.
Welcome to the world of you-can't-do-whatever-the-hell-you-want-to-do.
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It was definitely your Divine right to choose which unit you wanted to lead. However, Eponllyn did not include in its choices Cavalry.
Welcome to the world of you-can't-do-whatever-the-hell-you-want-to-do.
Sure she can. She can leave for Armonia where they do have Cavalry! ;D
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FWIW - I think I build an RC in Nimraw soon after Sonya left. It came up a middle-of-the-road cav center. We also have another one somewhere, now, as well.
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Why nobody want try Mock War? Sort of like paint war, cold war ;)
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Because that would be an abuse of the game.
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I see. I remember some realm lost their Ruler(due to OOC inactivity) but blame it on other realm to start a war.
Was is SoA?
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I see. I remember some realm lost their Ruler(due to OOC inactivity) but blame it on other realm to start a war.
Was is SoA?
Well sure, you can have war for mock reasons. You just can't have a friendly war, the tournament with battles kind.
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Sure she can. She can leave for Armonia where they do have Cavalry! ;D
Cavaliers are meant to be the most honourable people around. From the wiki: ''A noble fighter, a knight of the realm. Cavaliers are highly respected knights who subscribe even more to the life of a nobleman."' A knight of the realm. And as such they can command more cavalry but they are not a class just about commanding cavalry.
So in Siana's eyes jumping ship for gold doesn't seem like a very honourable thing to do. But then she doesn't think many Armonian's are particularly honourable :P
PS Indirik your centre is still pants ;) But it's true we do have 2 Cav centres now.
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Cavaliers are meant to be the most honourable people around. From the wiki: ''A noble fighter, a knight of the realm. Cavaliers are highly respected knights who subscribe even more to the life of a nobleman."' A knight of the realm. And as such they can command more cavalry but they are not a class just about commanding cavalry.
So in Siana's eyes jumping ship for gold doesn't seem like a very honourable thing to do. But then she doesn't think many Armonian's are particularly honourable :P
PS Indirik your centre is still pants ;) But it's true we do have 2 Cav centres now.
I was more referring to she can do what she wants as a player, not that cavalier's tend to command cavalry.
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And remember i was referring that was my "IC reason" of that (Cavalier Character) 1 of 5 i have and the only god knows why loves cavalry, which is honorable to the end, but when your services aren't required in a realm well...there are others.
This is not the place to discuss about "Background Characters" but the East Continent is not my family's continent, neither i was born anywhere on the EC, so you can't expect a loyalty to any realm like if were a mother land. My characters outside the motherland just seek fame, glory, honor, fortune, power.
Onn my Cavalier's case, is Honor Throughout Battles Only With Lance on Hand (have to catch Bob Baceoleus), the first thing i said on Eponllyn was "I put my Lance at the Queen disposal" the same told to Armonia when i got there.
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But again this is not the place for background characters, stop trying to leave the topic and get to the point of "How do we expand Westmor to Parm"
Ideas?
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I see. I remember some realm lost their Ruler(due to OOC inactivity) but blame it on other realm to start a war.
Was is SoA?
Merewyn ruler of Westmoor did that to declare war on Sirion if I recall correctly. Might have happened on another occasion aswell
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But again this is not the place for background characters, stop trying to leave the topic and get to the point of "How do we expand Westmor to Parm"
Ideas?
Well, first we smash that pesky Nivemus. Grrr. How dare they be in between us and Parm!
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Don't worry we can always take the sea route... they'll never see it coming. ::)
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Don't worry we can always take the sea route... they'll never see it coming. ::)
Honestly, attacking via sea routes would probably be a bad idea against Nivemus, and that's even if you were successful. We have two huge rural regions, a townsland, and a city all on the coast. The townsland and the city will obviously have walls and militia so you don't want to land there. One rural region is a turn away from our capital, the other two turns away. And there are only two of those regions. Let's suppose we put a force of militia in Juazeiro. Then, once again, heavy, heavy casualties to land there. The other one is right next door to our capital.
Yeah, Nivemus is pretty well defended so far as the sea route scenario goes, and quite honestly, I think a sea attack would be way too dangerous for Westmoor to do on us if they declared war on us anyways. They can hit our rural region and one of our less meaningful regions while we rape either your capital or Oligarch. Then, we move back, refit in our capital, and smack your army down before you can head back to Westmoor-land. Not very fun. :P
Quite honestly, this whole sea route attack is a very, very, very high risk attack. But, if done successfully and well, it can tip the balance of a war in your favor tremendously as well. I am still waiting on two realms being in each others capitals though. That would be hilarious.
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You know who would benefit the least from a sea war? The traditional powers of Sirion and Perdan. :)
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Honestly, attacking via sea routes would probably be a bad idea against Nivemus, and that's even if you were successful. We have two huge rural regions, a townsland, and a city all on the coast. The townsland and the city will obviously have walls and militia so you don't want to land there. One rural region is a turn away from our capital, the other two turns away. And there are only two of those regions. Let's suppose we put a force of militia in Juazeiro. Then, once again, heavy, heavy casualties to land there. The other one is right next door to our capital.
Yeah, Nivemus is pretty well defended so far as the sea route scenario goes, and quite honestly, I think a sea attack would be way too dangerous for Westmoor to do on us if they declared war on us anyways. They can hit our rural region and one of our less meaningful regions while we rape either your capital or Oligarch. Then, we move back, refit in our capital, and smack your army down before you can head back to Westmoor-land. Not very fun. :P
Quite honestly, this whole sea route attack is a very, very, very high risk attack. But, if done successfully and well, it can tip the balance of a war in your favor tremendously as well. I am still waiting on two realms being in each others capitals though. That would be hilarious.
You do realize were referring to attack Sirion right?
Laughing
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It seems that the good ruler of Nivemus's player doesn't quite grasp the geography and political landscape of the continent. :P
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It seems that the good ruler of Nivemus's player doesn't quite grasp the geography and political landscape of the continent. :P
Who's the ruler of Nivemus' player? His wife? :D
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It seems that the good ruler of Nivemus's player doesn't quite grasp the geography and political landscape of the continent. :P
Actually, what I said makes sense considering he A) didn't quote anybody and B) Came after my post that said:
Well, first we smash that pesky Nivemus. Grrr. How dare they be in between us and Parm!
Therefore, my deduction that he was talking about Nivemus there makes complete sense.
Who's the ruler of Nivemus' player? His wife? :D
FYMF! ;D
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But you're -not- between Westmoor and Parm.
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But you're -not- between Westmoor and Parm.
Actually, Nivemus is in a direct line between Westmoor and Parm. Unless you can forsee some other way of taking and being able to defend Parm without taking Ashforth. I don't see a way to do it, honestly.
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Oh, I never said it was MY intent. Ideally, I'd see Westmoor gaining Krimml, Braga, Oberndorf, and Ashforth with Nivemus gaining the lands to Parm and Sir Temple. Along with a new realm gaining Fontan, Avamar, and... Whatever that other city down in the corner near Fontan is. I've honestly never bothered learning its name!
Anyway, a direct line is Commonyr > Tabost > Sermbar > Parm. Logistically and tactically, it would be ungainly and undefendable (especially for the long term), but it IS the direct line
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Oh, I never said it was MY intent. Ideally, I'd see Westmoor gaining Krimml, Braga, Oberndorf, and Ashforth with Nivemus gaining the lands to Parm and Sir Temple. Along with a new realm gaining Fontan, Avamar, and... Whatever that other city down in the corner near Fontan is. I've honestly never bothered learning its name!
Anyway, a direct line is Commonyr > Tabost > Sermbar > Parm. Logistically and tactically, it would be ungainly and undefendable (especially for the long term), but it IS the direct line
Somehow you take our capital and expect us to team with you against Sirion? While I guess it's possible, that would be one hell of a thing to pull off.
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What if instead I was referring to Perdan taking the scenic route?
Would you both then be wrong?
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Somehow you take our capital and expect us to team with you against Sirion? While I guess it's possible, that would be one hell of a thing to pull off.
Who said TAKE your capital? I'd say for Parm and Sir Temple, Nivemus should be more than willing to give Ashforth away and be all "Woohoo! Bigger city!"
As for you, Blue Star, still need adjacent lands to annex them. I mean, you could march north to sack them, but not for annexing.
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Who said TAKE your capital? I'd say for Parm and Sir Temple, Nivemus should be more than willing to give Ashforth away and be all "Woohoo! Bigger city!"
As for you, Blue Star, still need adjacent lands to annex them. I mean, you could march north to sack them, but not for annexing.
Ashforth, Oroya, and Parm would make for an interesting golden triangle...
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Dunnera has one region left :o....
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Bye Bye King also lol
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Aw... Dunnera will lose it seems. One of its region change allegiance to Sirion realm.
Ashforth, Oroya, and Parm would make for an interesting golden triangle...
Golden Triangle or Bermuda island Triangle? Look interesting ;D
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What a waste. I've just stockpiled food in Fontan and as long as we coordinate our movements between Negev and Fontan to meet the Caligan army, we can still put up a fight l. 5k CS plus level 3 fortifications in both regions.
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Well we still got over 10 people and a city! We can last another month!
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Dunnera is now ofccially awesome, all the weaklings are gone! arrrr!
only all the crazy sucidal honour fetished big mouths are left.
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Well we still got over 10 people and a city! We can last another month!
Dunnera is now ofccially awesome, all the weaklings are gone! arrrr!
only all the crazy sucidal honour fetished big mouths are left.
+1 to Dunnera for the "Fall of Constantinople" ending they will have, i expect plenty of Last Stand RP from them!
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+1 to Dunnera for the "Fall of Constantinople" ending they will have, i expect plenty of Last Stand RP from them!
Hopefully it will be a stand to remember! ;D
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Whoever win and reclaim these lands, will have a mammoth task ahead of them: To rebuild and populate the city, and its surrounding regions.
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War is officially over. All lands reclaimed with basically no damage done to them population wise.
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War is officially over. All lands reclaimed with basically no damage done to them population wise.
its not offcially over untill the region is officaly taken over.
You never know what happens.
We all know how hard it is to TO capitals.
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We all know how hard it is to TO capitals.
Don't think it's that hard what with the new TO system.
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Also Fontan city is worshipful to Caligus so it will be easy to take for sure.
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Don't think it's that hard what with the new TO system.
Think again--you should ask someone from Aurvandil. As I recall, it took several weeks for them to take over Tower Fatimak.
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Think again--you should ask someone from Aurvandil. As I recall, it took several weeks for them to take over Tower Fatimak.
Is that Aurvandil TO of Tower Fatimak happen when the new TO system was already implemented?
I not sure on what island will that be, I think I do not have character there ???
Dunnera fall sounds like fall of an Empire due to plague. Any idea where all Dunnera nobles will flee to? I doubt they will go to Caligus ::)
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They've got a welcome home in Solaria!
/me collects former Caligans like other people collect stamps.
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To those Cavalry Haters:
Tournament Report
In the second part of the tournament, the traditional jousting contest is being held:
Final Round:
Tanya from Armonía -beats- Cain from Sirion 2 to 1
Winner: Tanya
CLICK FOR VICTORY DANCE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igfJIZayiy8)
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To those Cavalry Haters:
Tournament Report
In the second part of the tournament, the traditional jousting contest is being held:
Final Round:
Tanya from Armonía -beats- Cain from Sirion 2 to 1
Winner: Tanya
CLICK FOR VICTORY DANCE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igfJIZayiy8)
Congrats ;)
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Congrats ;)
Yes after 7 years of BM.... About time i would say!
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Yes after 7 years of BM.... About time i would say!
7 YEARS? :O
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Congratulations Tanya(Sonya) on your impressive skill. But what is with your 7 years in BM? You been playing very long? ???
On another note, Dunnera nobles have flee before the might of Caligus army.
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7 YEARS? :O
Congratulations Tanya(Sonya) on your impressive skill. But what is with your 7 years in BM? You been playing very long? ???
Yesss i started back on middles of 2005 when Aramil was the king of Carelia, then somewhat i got busy and got inactive, then came back later in 2006.
I was looking for something to do while regaining my MP, so BM was good to read when regaining my magic. BM became my favorite Side game.
(http://imageshack.us/a/img503/6483/05qp7.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/503/05qp7.jpg/) Old Screnshot for Memory's sake!
I have to add that i had no idea about role play and things, but after all this years i have meet nice people here on BM, and even since i stopped playing online rpg games years ago, i continue to look forward to log into BM.
I have to add that i love spamming forums a little...but thats my nature.
Peace!
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Time To Break The ICE
Hey! just hey! what's wrong here? everyone when so quiet now and this happens!
Takeover
message to Everyone on East Continent
Sirion has taken control of Krimml. The region used to belong to (rogue).
What part of Westmoor to Parm you don't understand!?
Facepalms
Do i need to do everything myself...
(http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/bd4/35d/1ab/resized/i-am-full-of-dissapoint-meme-generator-friends-i-am-disappoint-d41d8c.jpg)
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Time To Break The ICE
Hey! just hey! what's wrong here? everyone when so quiet now and this happens!
What part of Westmoor to Parm you don't understand!?
Facepalms
Do i need to do everything myself...
(http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/bd4/35d/1ab/resized/i-am-full-of-dissapoint-meme-generator-friends-i-am-disappoint-d41d8c.jpg)
You really do like to spam the forums right? :P omg...
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You really do like to spam the forums right? :P omg...
Two things:
1- Trying to revive everyone's spirit, since this section was like the continent itself..Too Quiet!
2- I had that fame once, i don't have the usual 20 post/day i had on my days but come one! Is kind of sad when i hover by the Locals Section and i see the East Continent Sub Forums with no "NEW" label.
ps1: i don't like "The White Tree Times"
Ps2: Stop changing the topic and help me carry this Siege Engine!
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Two things:
1- Trying to revive everyone's spirit, since this section was like the continent itself..Too Quiet!
2- I had that fame once, i don't have the usual 20 post/day i had on my days but come one! Is kind of sad when i hover by the Locals Section and i see the East Continent Sub Forums with no "NEW" label.
ps1: i don't like "The White Tree Times"
Ps2: Stop changing the topic and help me carry this Siege Engine!
You dont like "The White Tree Times"? But I like it :D
Not much happening beside Sirion takingover Krimml city. Maybe a new realm will be on our horizon soon 8)
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Maybe Sirion is the one that is taking "Westmoor to Parm" seriously. :)
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Maybe Sirion is the one that is taking "Westmoor to Parm" seriously. :)
It was one way or the other
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I don't care who. I just want someone to start a decent war!
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ps1: i don't like "The White Tree Times"
Any feedback or criticism is always welcome :). With things heating up it looks like I might have more to write about, hurray!
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Any feedback or criticism is always welcome :). With things heating up it looks like I might have more to write about, hurray!
No no, i didn't mean that i hate the "WTT". I do hate the part that the White Tree Times's Thread is the only one updated on the East Continent Section.
But is good to have a Republican Realm on the continent to stir the things up!
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Nah, Republican realms suck. They're all about the big guilds and no birth control for peasants. Wooo, Democratic realms!
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Nah, Republican realms suck. They're all about the big guilds and no birth control for peasants. Wooo, Democratic realms!
Right when I thought political comments were over after the election... :-\
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Right when I thought political comments were over after the election... :-\
Hey, don't blame me. I voted for Lord Ron Paul. He wants to get Caligus out of Dunnera and end the Realm Reserve.
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If you want some fresh news... Dobromir and Neji will secede everything to Sirion and we will create the largest empire ever seen.
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If you want some fresh news... Dobromir and Neji will secede everything to Sirion and we will create the largest empire ever seen.
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh AW HELL NAH.
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If you want some fresh news... Dobromir and Neji will secede everything to Sirion and we will create the largest empire ever seen.
Something crazy like that happened in the twin continent, and was a failure!
Wasn't it called Toupellon?
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Something crazy like that happened in the twin continent, and was a failure!
Wasn't it called Toupellon?
Or was it Soilferum?
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Westmoor won't be sitting idly I'm sure... the silence on this thread makes me think Perdan and Westmoor may be rallying already. But who am I at the end of the day...
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(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_OY2OwsBYSNE/S-6sXZ1vr2I/AAAAAAAAAdw/99eEteHAMQI/terror.gif)
Uhhh... What the heck is that?
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(http://jessicalouise.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/anatidaephobia.png)
That.
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lol Just because you think I'm paranoid, doesn't mean its not true... I hope its true anyway lol
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Why people why...
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Will the puppet master strike again or will they take it upon themselves? ::) ;D
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Will the puppet master strike again or will they take it upon themselves? ::) ;D
Nope, everyone is fiddling their fingers while Rome is burning!
Rather everyone are busy rebuilding after those expensive wars ;D
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Thanks Fontan.....
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My war prediction: Never! Instead, a boring and lifelong peace because Perdan and Sirion are full of hippies and cowards. Oh, and bureaucrats. Lots of bureaucrats.
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My war prediction: Never! Instead, a boring and lifelong peace because Perdan and Sirion are full of hippies and cowards. Oh, and bureaucrats. Lots of bureaucrats.
Your right, alot of players there don't care for a fun game.
But lets do all we can, my character already offered you his sword.
Point it in the right direction and you have a war.
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Your right, alot of players there don't care for a fun game.
But lets do all we can, my character already offered you his sword.
Point it in the right direction and you have a war.
But first, we need sharpen the sword and sticks. At this slow-moving rate, we going suffer internal issues ;)
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I have a feeling Perdan will go to war.
Maybe not so much a feeling as a fanatical dedication.
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Well its already banned to enter Armonia after I assassinated one of them and other nobles moved there.
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Yet somehow I doubt Armonia will declare war on Perdan if you aren't banned like they did with Eponllyn and D`Este :P
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Armonia declaring war...probably not. Perdan seems like they are at peak ability and the power bloc of Perdan/Caligus should intimidate Armonia to seek diplomacy. Armonia just isn't in a situation to be the aggressor. Perdan is. They should take advantage of any situation with a weaker realm. I'm sure Armonia would rather pay a fat tribute than be steamrolled.
Granted, they may be looking north and couldn't care less about the south. I wouldn't know.
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Armonia declaring war...probably not. Perdan seems like they are at peak ability and the power bloc of Perdan/Caligus should intimidate Armonia to seek diplomacy. Armonia just isn't in a situation to be the aggressor. Perdan is. They should take advantage of any situation with a weaker realm. I'm sure Armonia would rather pay a fat tribute than be steamrolled.
Granted, they may be looking north and couldn't care less about the south. I wouldn't know.
Think Sirion won't jump at the chance to face off against Westmoor while Armonia gets attacked by Perdan?
Yeah. I didn't think so either.
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Think Sirion won't jump at the chance to face off against Westmoor while Armonia gets attacked by Perdan?
Yeah. I didn't think so either.
Lets let them! Make a fake conflict "attacking" Armonia and as soon as Sirion uses the chance, make peace and kill off Sirion! :D Or something like that...
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Lets let them! Make a fake conflict "attacking" Armonia and as soon as Sirion uses the chance, make peace and kill off Sirion! :D Or something like that...
Yeah Perdan attacks Sirion, Caligus comes to help Sirion and then everyone else attacks Caligus and Sirion!
Good plan.
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Yeah Perdan attacks Sirion, Caligus comes to help Sirion and then everyone else attacks Caligus and Sirion!
Good plan.
If you know how your enemy will act, then it would be foolish to not use it.
Wasnt Caligus at our side? THough I would so love to assasinate some people in Caligus.. Settle old feuds.
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Uh maybe you haven't noticed, Caligus is allied with Sirion. Caligus even attacked Perdan to get them off of Sirion.
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Uh maybe you haven't noticed, Caligus is allied with Sirion. Caligus even attacked Perdan to get them off of Sirion.
Caligus was allied with Ibladesh as well.
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And Perdan.
Damn traitorous Caligans...
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DEATH TO CALIGUS!
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DEATH TO CALIGUS!
Death to Doombringer! Or whatever his name is now! Death to Menethil family with Caligus! ATTACK!
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Nobody wants to fight Caligus. And I don't blame them. They pretty much never lose.
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Except when they were almost wiped out but protected by Perdan before that could happen.
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Except when they were almost wiped out but protected by Perdan before that could happen.
They were actually wiped out, Perdan had to give them Partora so they could survive.
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If they were wiped out, they wouldn't exist. Caligus and Perdan were defeated, not destroyed.
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They forget who their true friends are either way. And yes, Indirik's correct in the semantics of your wording. They'd have had to have been re-founded if they were wiped out and that doesn't seem to be the case.
Honestly though? I would ideally see (OOC at least, IC I'd only like to see Sirion shattered and broken) EC with Perdan, Caligus, and Sirion broken up a bit. A bunch of medium sized realms rather than three or four monsters could make it a bit more fun.
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If they were wiped out, they wouldn't exist. Caligus and Perdan were defeated, not destroyed.
Yes but they had to give up their last city and pretty much all of their lands and move into a city of their allies. Caligus as we knew it back then was wiped from the map.
But yeah... you guys are right that they were not literally wiped out.
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Nobody wants to fight Caligus. And I don't blame them. They pretty much never lose.
As said that's wrong, it surprises me that they are still alive though after all they've done. Think they pretty much betrayed everyone at least once by now, or maybe not Sirion?
Ps, why hasn't anyone (Church of humanity?) started a frenzy against Sirion because many of them are not human? It was my plan once with Aeneas..but then Ibladesh got destroyed
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Honestly though? I would ideally see (OOC at least, IC I'd only like to see Sirion shattered and broken) EC with Perdan, Caligus, and Sirion broken up a bit. A bunch of medium sized realms rather than three or four monsters could make it a bit more fun.
Can you imagine the scramble if one duke from each of the big realms all seceded at the same time?
Far more reasonable would be if planned independent realms were established by the bigger ones...but where's the chaos in that?
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It would be interesting, for sure. But unless it was many mass secessions, it wouldn't be so.kuch chaotic but annoying.
As for the CoH the vast majority of our members are already anti-Sirion. We actually have one who is a member of Sirion, so if it becomes a religious war it will be interesting to see that dynamic. Because it is generally discouraged to deseat CoH lords. Maybe if he builds a temple... Hrm...
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In the grand scheme of things, what I said was wrong. But look at their recent successes: Won against Perdan, won against Ibladesh, won against Dunnera. Caligus is on a roll. They are much bigger and much stronger than when they were clubbed by Perdan back in the day.
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And I didn't say they never lose... I said they 'pretty much' never lose. Which, as of late, is true.
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It pretty much make it interesting if somehow former Dunnera nobles rise up through Sirion, Nivemus and Westmoor. Somebody need shake the spider webs and start the war machine again.
Also all the Dukes of Caligus, Perdan and Sirion are not seceding anytime soon it seems. Ask them secede at same time and watch the magic unfold! :P
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I'm back to the Forum after a long time. I saw some messages about Krimml and the region is going very well within Avamar, now one of the greatest duchies of East Continent. I think that's why people avoided to give Duke's power to Erik ;)
In recent days Sirion is very busy with its internal affairs and it has always been good in foreign policy. I don't believe that we will stay without war in East Continent. Someone will have to make the first move.
In Sirion we don't believe in secessions. We always want more, no less.
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Ps, why hasn't anyone (Church of humanity?) started a frenzy against Sirion because many of them are not human? It was my plan once with Aeneas..but then Ibladesh got destroyed
I guess most of Sirion is human. I believe there aren't many of the old elves left.
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I guess most of Sirion is human. I believe there aren't many of the old elves left.
yes but the realm is proud of it and honors them.
I believe many nazis would agree that if you harbor the jew your just as guilty ;)
But a good point has been made, what is the church of humanities chance on elves and are elves more or less then humans, and can they also be nobles?
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The Church of Humanity's stance is little known (still writing our creation of the world story). However, it essentially goes that after the Divine gave life to humanity, the beings who would eventually become daimons attempted to do the same, resulting in monsters, then the elves. Because they weren't created by the Divine, they had no spark of the Light inside them. No soul.
Therefore they are soulless daimon-spawn. Not all have been historically evil, but they are tainted by their own ego and history.
As they are not Divine-created, they have no inherent right to rule, but that doesn't necessarially disqualify them from being fair and just rulers.
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The Church of Humanity's stance is little known (still writing our creation of the world story). However, it essentially goes that after the Divine gave life to humanity, the beings who would eventually become daimons attempted to do the same, resulting in monsters, then the elves. Because they weren't created by the Divine, they had no spark of the Light inside them. No soul.
Therefore they are soulless daimon-spawn. Not all have been historically evil, but they are tainted by their own ego and history.
As they are not Divine-created, they have no inherent right to rule, but that doesn't necessarially disqualify them from being fair and just rulers.
So in the eyes of CoH, Sirion is disgusting?
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If you ask Erik, an elf, of course he will say that he is far superior. In fact, he changed some beautiful insults with Jor. And obviously, to the Sacred Grove the genesis is completely different.
The Flow used to call Erik "The Blood Elf". They lost and now Erik have Braga and Krimml. Face the Church of Humanity will be very fun. Especially regarding the vision he has of a human religion favoring the weak and defenseless... a weak characteristic of humans, in his vision. Just another Flow ;)
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Of course daimon-spawn believe they're superior. All creatures with evil in place of their hearts tend to.
Then again, you only joined in 2006... So you're not even a real elf. Just some human whose parents were so depraved they mutilated your ears!
And no, Nosferatus. Sirion isn't viewed by the CoH as disgusting. It's viewed as disgusting by all right-thinking noblemen for being a vile Republic!
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The Church of Humanity's stance is little known (still writing our creation of the world story). However, it essentially goes that after the Divine gave life to humanity, the beings who would eventually become daimons attempted to do the same, resulting in monsters, then the elves. Because they weren't created by the Divine, they had no spark of the Light inside them. No soul.
Therefore they are soulless daimon-spawn. Not all have been historically evil, but they are tainted by their own ego and history.
As they are not Divine-created, they have no inherent right to rule, but that doesn't necessarially disqualify them from being fair and just rulers.
The White Tree holds a similar vision up to a point. They believe Ora created humans and is the source of moral goodness, however, they hold a much different, much more positive view of elves. Back in the day, there was some talk of the old Holy Sacred Grove and the Order joining and combining their theories of the Holy Father, Elune, and Ora, but that never materialized. I prefer old Holy Sacred Grove, but the new one is much more dynamic.
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Then again, you only joined in 2006... So you're not even a real elf. Just some human whose parents were so depraved they mutilated your ears!
As far as I know, Sirion is the only realm allowed to have Elves, and it is regardless of join date and character creation time frame.
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The only elves that exist in BattleMaster are those that were grandfathered in before the Human-Only rule. A character created anywhere but Sirion - or created in Sirion but no longer residing there - is not exempt from this rule.
I believe it was issued some time in the 2001-2002 timeframe...
Hence as far as Jor is concerned, so many of these "elves" are in fact humans that multilate themselves in their delusions.
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Hence as far as Jor is concerned, so many of these "elves" are in fact humans that multilate themselves in their delusions.
I could be mistaken, but I believe Tom confirmed later on after a debacle in Sirion that all characters created in Sirion regardless of timeframe could be elves. I could be wrong. Perhaps someone in Sirion remembers the details?
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There are no hard and fast rules. Basically, we ignore them as long as they stay in Sirion. People who try to start up new inhuman races somewhere else are generally laughed about.
In general, it seems like Tom isn't a fan but ignores them so long as they stay in their corner.
Unfortunately when they prance around like nitwits, it becomes much harder to do so.
Trust me. I tend to play elves almost exclusively in fantasy games/RP. From what I've seen of those who claim to be elves in Sirion, I would be embarassed to do so. You either get the prancy "FRIENDSHIP IS MAGIC!!!!" type of elves, or the rapey, enslaving type of elves.
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I don't care with dates. While the majority of players agree and not felt insulted, we continue receiving players that want to play with elves. Like we have monsters/deamons in Beluaterra and even in Dwilight, a hardcore place to roleplay.
In game, people can believe what they want... ignorance is alway a gift and in Sirion people really don't care with foreign opinion, mainly from Westmoor. A crazy fool some time ago said that he poisoned the water and killed the elves... in game I can even talk I saw a chicken with dragon's teeth ;)
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In general, it seems like Tom isn't a fan but ignores them so long as they stay in their corner.
Unfortunately when they prance around like nitwits, it becomes much harder to do so.
Trust me. I tend to play elves almost exclusively in fantasy games/RP. From what I've seen of those who claim to be elves in Sirion, I would be embarassed to do so. You either get the prancy "FRIENDSHIP IS MAGIC!!!!" type of elves, or the rapey, enslaving type of elves.
Ah yes, that was the quote I was thinking of.
This doesn't really effect me as all of my family is human, but hey, good to know these things!
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Elves were better when Avamar was around, they served as a foil to the self aggrandizing Sirion elves. On the one hand you had Sirion elves roleplaying themselves as being super humans, capable of all human feats in addition to the regular elf tropes such as talking to trees, having expert marksmanship and more. But then on the other hand you had the elves in Avamar acting like total goofballs. It really added some nuance to BMs take on elves, without them around elves are pretty bland.
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I don't care with dates. While the majority of players agree and not felt insulted, we continue receiving players that want to play with elves. Like we have monsters/deamons in Beluaterra and even in Dwilight, a hardcore place to roleplay.
In game, people can believe what they want... ignorance is alway a gift and in Sirion people really don't care with foreign opinion, mainly from Westmoor. A crazy fool some time ago said that he poisoned the water and killed the elves... in game I can even talk I saw a chicken with dragon's teeth ;)
A lack of sanity is not a defense as I have found with Alaron. And besides, who would want to listen to a player whose character preaches about rape like it's the best thing ever?
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And besides, who would want to listen to a player who preaches about rape like it's the best thing ever?
Rapists.
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Rapists.
Quiet, you! :P
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I'll retire myself of this topic. First because I don't know if the people with the Church's symbol don't know the difference between character and player and OOC and IC. The first time I listen about this imbecility of rapists was through Jor, in game. Now I hear it from another player, in the Forum, but not accusing a character, but the player. This is complete stupidity and beyond my patience even to defend myself against this kind of lunatic behavior.
I don't know from where came this absurd conclusion, but honestly, it makes no difference now. You are not the kind of player with whom I came to deal in this Forum.
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I think once Tanos finishes the creation story for CoH, Sirion will be able to declare war on CoH easily. It would give them a good reason to start something. So Tanos do try to finish your story up quickly so we get some wars.
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Honestly, when I read the roleplays, all I could think of was rape. That was a while ago though, since it basically caused me to leave Sirion and never come back.
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I don't read RPs unless they are written by someone I play with a lot or by myself >:D
Maybe that is why I am still in Sirion :o
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I'll retire myself of this topic. First because I don't know if the people with the Church's symbol don't know the difference between character and player and OOC and IC. The first time I listen about this imbecility of rapists was through Jor, in game. Now I hear it from another player, in the Forum, but not accusing a character, but the player. This is complete stupidity and beyond my patience even to defend myself against this kind of lunatic behavior.
I don't know from where came this absurd conclusion, but honestly, it makes no difference now. You are not the kind of player with whom I came to deal in this Forum.
Good riddance.
And on the topic of a war with Sirion based on the creation story of Holy Church? Well, I've said it before (and been proven by the player of Erik's post above) - if certain players in Sirion weren't asses OOCly, I would enjoy a good war even if it resulted in a loss or destruction - gives more motive for revenge that way. But instead? I dread it.
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I'll retire myself of this topic. First because I don't know if the people with the Church's symbol don't know the difference between character and player and OOC and IC. The first time I listen about this imbecility of rapists was through Jor, in game. Now I hear it from another player, in the Forum, but not accusing a character, but the player. This is complete stupidity and beyond my patience even to defend myself against this kind of lunatic behavior.
I don't know from where came this absurd conclusion, but honestly, it makes no difference now. You are not the kind of player with whom I came to deal in this Forum.
Right. You RP your characters promoting rape and "I NEVER HEARD OF THIS BEFORE!!!!"
Seriously, don't lie OOC. You can lie through your teeth IC, but don't do that out of character. But then, when you're guilty of what you accuse of others...
Yeah. Have fun with that.
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Right. You RP your characters promoting rape and "I NEVER HEARD OF THIS BEFORE!!!!"
Seriously, don't lie OOC. You can lie through your teeth IC, but don't do that out of character. But then, when you're guilty of what you accuse of others...
Yeah. Have fun with that.
I don't mean to be abrupt, but is this how a global moderator should act?
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OOCly, I would enjoy a good war even if it resulted in a loss or destruction - gives more motive for revenge that way. But instead? I dread it.
What makes you dread a war with players you dislike? I would think that would be the preferred opponent.
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What makes you dread a war with players you dislike? I would think that would be the preferred opponent.
He doesn't want to deal with the crap either way, if they win or lose.
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It's sadly true that most of the pre and post battle RPs I've seen come out of Sirion when fighting against them have either dealt with rape or the mutilation of corpses. I suppose that if the Sirionites/elves see humans as little more than animals who occupy a world that rightly belongs to them it does make sense in that way, but it seems like much more could be done with the elven lore than stuff like that.
Personally, I find it pretty unpalatable so I tend to just skip over those RPs now. But there's no doubting that some armies in the Middle Ages behaved like that.
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I don't mean to be abrupt, but is this how a global moderator should act?
If you want to complain about a global moderator, don't do it here. Send it straight to Tom instead.
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If you want to complain about a global moderator, don't do it here. Send it straight to Tom instead.
I probably should have just sent Tanos a message. I don't think it needs to come to anything that drastic, I just don't want a flame war to break out.
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It's sadly true that most of the pre and post battle RPs I've seen come out of Sirion when fighting against them have either dealt with rape or the mutilation of corpses.
Ah, that explains Ravier's dread. I can see how it would offend some sensibilities. Kudos to them for creating a good villain, though. Rape-elves seem unique.
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I don't mean to be abrupt, but is this how a global moderator should act?
And should a global moderator not call someone out when they're blatantly lying? Or that they accuse others of doing exactly what they do?
There are no proscriptions to either, to my knowledge.
And for some reason, "rape-elves" made me laugh. In most fandom, it's the elves on the catching end, however.
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It's because elves represent what is pure, so them getting raped is like an allegory for the corruption of purity.
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In some I'm sure that's true. In others? Probably just a fetish.
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Some authors may be ignorant as to why it seems so right for elves, the flawless race of immortals, to be degraded in such a manner, but subconsciously they do it for exactly the reason I presented.
I will pre-emptively mention that when we talk about elves, we refer to the general concept of elves that has become standard in modern fantasy, the type presented originally by Tolkien. I've no doubt that somewhere out there, someone pointlessly attempted to distinguish their fantasy from the rest, by characterizing their elves as being alien cannibals, or some such thing. We obviously aren't referring to any alternative form of elf such as that, so they need not be considered.
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He doesn't want to deal with the crap either way, if they win or lose.
Essentially, yes. As I said, in the two last wars I've had to fight Sirion (and Fontan) players, they have been rude both IC and OOC. ICly is justified somewhat. OOCly isn't, at least in my opinion.
Now, it isn't a perfect world and not everyone is going to like everyone else. But you can still at least be civil. During the last war I was at the forefront of trying to deal with the Saxon problem in Fontan, and it was dealt with by the Magistrates. But I took a lot of flak for appealing to Tom in the first place as well as taking part in the cases against them, somewhat as well as trying to start a discussion on how to deal with clans in the future.
Now, that's most likely not an issue that will crop up again. But the point is this - if you want a war as a ruler, fine, you do what you need to ICly to cause it to happen. But if you, as the ruler, will not keep your players in line when they start to be offensive, don't expect people to want to take part in your plans to have fun.
I, for one, will be keeping silent if a war breaks out. I want nothing to do with any of Sirion's players. I'll have Ravier march and fight at the head of the Westmoorian Bulwark - but that's the limit.
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Now, it isn't a perfect world and not everyone is going to like everyone else. But you can still at least be civil.
I can definitely understand what you're saying. There have been some wars I have dreaded fighting, simply because of the attitude and vitriolic nature of the players on the other side. Even if it is IC instead of OOC, it makes for a very un-fun game.
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I, for one, will be keeping silent if a war breaks out. I want nothing to do with any of Sirion's players. I'll have Ravier march and fight at the head of the Westmoorian Bulwark - but that's the limit.
Heh. I remember you well at that Saxon problem when funnily you was accused as Saxon yourself. Of course you are not Saxon ;D
Maybe I need kill off some Westmoor long time heroes and send them to CoH afterlife version. Is there a CoH afterlife version? Can their enemy come visit and pray as well? ::)
Also some deaths may change the island. Remember the disappearance of a realm Ruler due to OOC Real Life but treated as IC event ;)
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I'd like to see these RPs, especially mine with Erik, from where these accusations came. But frankly, I don't care about the distorted view of a small group. As I said, in game you can think what you want with the characters, but accuse the player (you don't know me in person) is nonsense.
It's like saying I walk the streets looking for innocent young girls and encouraging rape. This is idiocy. And from a Global Moderator... very inappropriate.
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Do you? No. Well, I actually don't know that. I hope not. If you did, I hope you would quickly find your way into prison.
Does your character? Sure seems that way. I also never said Erik. Though the fact that you immediately think of him when rape is involved speaks volumes.
However, here's one I found (sent to me ages ago by one of my people over Skype before she wrote an IC report to Westmoor and the Church. Yes, the depravity of your characters is quite well known).
Roleplay from Durion Eyolf Serpentis (1 day, 14 hours ago)
Message sent to everyone in the region Bruck (36 recipients)
Symphony of Destruction
Part I
Dürion laughed after receive the news. His father had been elected, but the election was a fraud. Duke Alexander was still in position despite popular results. He heard it from the mouth of one of his soldiers covered in black while they dragged out a family from their house in a small farm. The Dark Ones were impassive and infernal figures. During long hours they dragged the families out and confiscate the spoils of war. After that everything was burnt they celebrated the fire brought by their master, the Black Dragon of Trinbar. They were finally bringing chaos and death to Westmoor, making the miserable opportunists and profiteers pay for attacks committed during the war. He looked toward Oligarch. Soon the population would be starving with each field burning into a funeral pyre around them. That stupid line of kings would collapse along with their church. Mainly Jor, the jerk who accused the Sirionites of mutilating their ears. Where was the little king now to see the House of Serpentis destroying his regions!? The young Margrave spat on the ground in face of that small and stupid humankind trembling with fear while Bruck burned to the ground.
The fire attracted the mobile forces prepared to defend Oligarch in a vain effort. If even behind the walls they had few chances, in the open field the Westmorians would be decimated. While the men formed a shield wall, Dürion ordered his banner to echo a familiar note that soon after was answered by the Stormwalkers. The Silver Legion had not marched, leaving the battle tastier with smaller numbers. A demonstration that Sirion not need all its strength to crush those insects. The great machines of destruction were behind the last row. That would be a clash of swords.
Dürion Eyolf: “Look at that stinking mass assuming position. They have been a coward force of weaklings in the heart of our continent. They emerged from the gaps left at the beginning of the Great War and grew strong while we were busy. But we crushed our enemies. They can no longer hide from us. Those are the ranks defending the king. He’s not a warrior! He’s just a diplomatic ambassador. Worse .. he’s only a Priest! You will not find him here. What moral can have such a kingdom, fighting while they King preach like a woman?”
A torrent of laughter swept through the soldiers. They were murderers in dark armors with swords ready to kill and maim. Dürion had not lost time in useless tournaments or learning the art of dueling. Instead, he stayed with his soldiers, turning them into hungry wolves, thirsting for the enemy blood.
Dürion Eyolf: “That retarded King said I’m not an elf. Today he could not be more right. Today we are dragons. Let's burn this land and decimate the enemy. Today we will give the first slap in their King’s face... this is how we teach a dog to be quiet! Kill them all and push the prisoners back. They are just sheep. Bleed them like pigs!”
Offend the traditional houses of Sirion was not a good idea. Wars could be fought for many reasons, but when the King completely lost his composure and turned the conversations into insults, then he should pay, preferably with his tongue torn out of his big mouth, attached to the Black Dragon’s belt.
Dürion Eyolf: “Kill them all! After that we will celebrate in their temples with their women. They need something real much more than a bunch of religious warriors. Let's make Lady Giselle cry for her old father!!!”
One of many along those lines from that character, as far as I am aware. Judging from the reaction of the player of the Foxglove family that's correct.
But nice try BSing your way out of it OOC.
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While this is not my favorite kind of RP (the last line is definitely unnecessary), in his defense I would point out that there is an option in the game called "Kill, rape and burn", and that RP seems a correct characterization of the acts KRB means in game.
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Ah yes... I love Dürion, and this is a completely different character. But again, this is a game and it is a text. It would be like telling a writer not to write about the horrors of war or a journalist not to state the facts of the world we live in... and that is violent. This does not mean that I, as a player, defend these atrocities. Then, accuse me as player is out of place.
It's like to say that you, as player, is a fanatical fundamentalist person based on the views of my character or my view of player about you playing your character. Nonsense.
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NO ONE has said that you as a player is a rapist or condones rape. Only your characters have been mentioned. However, you immediately started to claim such has never happened in-game, yet it obviously has.
That is when you were accused of lying. Nothing more.
And yeah Genf, but I don't believe that option was actually used (Sirion was trying to keep control of border regions, so they couldn't go all out or would lose control). Just the normal pillaging.
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And besides, who would want to listen to a player whose character preaches about rape like it's the best thing ever?
That was my fault in interpret the sentence. The entire conversation was about Erik, which is understandable due to the large amount of RPs. With Dürion this is actually true. He follow dark gods and he's very violent. However, this is a character. Judge me because of a character and a RP (as violent it is) continue being out of place for me.
Also, the character is just speaking to his soldiers. A macabre incentive, but between talk and do it there is a difference quite palpable. As you said, there were just the usual looting, then it's just a violent speech.
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The most constructive way for you to look at it is that you've created memorable in-game villains. Taken as characters, both Erik and Durion are so hated amongst their enemies that they would probably both be executed without a second thought if they were captured and the conditions allowed for it. For villains, something like that should be the highest compliment to your skills in characterizing them.
On the RPs, I don't think they've actually offended anyone (at least not as far as I know). But those types of "we are going to destroy you and insult you while we are doing it" RPs are not really to my tastes. Every player who plays in a too big, overpowerful realm needs to remember that they only have fun in wars because the players in the smaller realms that they fight choose to actually put up a fight and resist them.
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Thanks, Foxglove.
Every player who plays in a too big, overpowerful realm needs to remember that they only have fun in wars because the players in the smaller realms that they fight choose to actually put up a fight and resist them.
And that was not the intention. It was only an answer, even if ultra-violent, to a provocation. I played in many small realms and even dead-realms. And I also play with another kind of characters. The reaction was because the character really hates Westmoor (and its King), not because Sirion is a big realm. An example is Erik, who always fought Fontan with honor while they deterioate themselves.
About the taste, I agree. But this is an option... read or not read, like or dislike. Never an imposition.
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Dürion Eyolf: “That retarded King said I’m not an elf.
Hahaha, that's a funny line.
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I feel I should apologize for having misinterpreted the messages about the personal insults, all the history about rapists, etc. That said, I go back to the normal discussion.
And thank you for posting the RP, I like this one despite the personal feelings about what is appropriate or not and the personal taste of each player. About elves, I think I don't having nothing to say. I prefer to let it run inside the game with IC opinions, like Jor... who thinks they just cut off their ears. OCC this discussion is fated to go nowhere.
I don't have the habit of imposing absolute truths, then I am free to agree that the opinion of others on the subject worth very little to me. Especially when the principle of my characters is not to be elf or not, but teir personality and actions.
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While this is not my favorite kind of RP (the last line is definitely unnecessary)
What do you mean unnecessary? you believe people shouldn't write horible things in there RP's or game play? Does writing have to be nesecary something? like keeping a positive vibe?
I think we shouldnt restrict any form of writing, the freedom and endless variations is what attracts me to the game in the first place, i like any creative environment or project.
Most of us like a positive vibe, but some of us also(or only) like dark humor and sometimes shocking stuff, like how Eduardo wrote that RP.
A zealous, daimon-worshiping, sociopathic, lover of rape, genocide, and overall pain and damnation.... lovely!
For uniqueness and innovations sake, let us not restrict creativity in our writings for any reason at all.
I do think however that it be a good idea to give players a warning when joining the game, that the games world contains horror, rape and all those things in its game mechanics and roleplaying.
So people are warned before they start or ask there parents what they think about there 13 year old son reading stories like that(eduardos rp).
So Players(ahum... pussies :P no offense) like you who'd rather not be confronted with horror, can play some other happy/gay game that has restrictions, because BM hasn't and shouldn't in my opinion(as long as its not obviously plagiating world war two, nazi germany or congo or cambodja or any other real life history).
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What do you mean unnecessary? you believe people shouldn't write horible things in there RP's or game play?
I just said it's not my cup of tea. I did defend his right to say it.
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Just to say, I went through it when some players asked if I could change some of my RPs because they had a young daughter who played BM. Although I have all the respect in not abusing of the content, the parents should guide and control what their children will read.
I think BM is an adult game for adults. At least with some moral preparation and enough background for such readings. I like the good vibe, but no one who goes to war have this kind of happy behavior. You think a troopleader will stay in front of his troops and say: "Let's take this city to distribute candies!"??? No, in medieval times they burned and raped. It happens even today in modern warfare.
That's exactly like TV or internet. We are free to change the channel or close the window. BM also have the "ignore" option. Then, thanks by the support and criticism.
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I began playing BM when I was barely 13. But my English was so poor that I didn't understand much anyway. 8)
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I also started playing when I was 13, I was banned from my first realm for calling the ruler "Hitler". Needless to say that my innocence was never in danger ::)
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Just to say, I went through it when some players asked if I could change some of my RPs because they had a young daughter who played BM. Although I have all the respect in not abusing of the content, the parents should guide and control what their children will read.
I think BM is an adult game for adults. At least with some moral preparation and enough background for such readings. I like the good vibe, but no one who goes to war have this kind of happy behavior. You think a troopleader will stay in front of his troops and say: "Let's take this city to distribute candies!"??? No, in medieval times they burned and raped. It happens even today in modern warfare.
That's exactly like TV or internet. We are free to change the channel or close the window. BM also have the "ignore" option. Then, thanks by the support and criticism.
I agree. Although I am not a big fan of the egotistical nature in many of your RPs, they are good RPs in a game that should have more RPs.
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And how could my RPs not be egoistic? They are the vision of my characters. I sent this violent RP sent by Tanos to a lot of people today in the realms I have characters... I just receive compliments. As I can see, they love antagonists as I love.
Also, I have more than 100 RPs... with many characters, but mainly with Erik. You can find a lot of aspects inside them ;)
And Tanos is not the only one to save them, this one just interests him. In my family page you can find the others.
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And how could my RPs not be egoistic? They are the vision of my characters. I sent this violent RP sent by Tanos to a lot of people today in the realms I have characters... I just receive compliments. As I can see, they love antagonists as I love.
Also, I have more than 100 RPs... with many characters, but mainly with Erik. You can find a lot of aspects inside them ;)
I understand the egotism and why it's there. As I said before, when I was in Sirion, I thought your RPs were really well done. Just not always my type of RP.
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I agree. And even when you (and the people) don't appreciate, they have flavor. This is the most important in roleplay a character.
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And how could my RPs not be egoistic?
Yeah, i mean comon, the guy just loves him self! besides he's a Brasilero, those guys close there borders after losing a football match against there rivals down south.
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Yeah, i mean comon, the guy just loves him self! besides he's a Brasilero, those guys close there borders after losing a football match against there rivals down south.
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/21416581.jpg)
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We have too much self-esteem to spare and sell.
And I don't want to talk about soccer... my team (Palmeiras) will play in the second division this year :-[
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(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/21416581.jpg)
Go FC Bayern!!!! Über Alles!!!!
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Is anyone has a Unique Item called Crystal Ball or something? Can I borrow for crystal ball gazing to see what future war may unfold? 8)
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Is anyone has a Unique Item called Crystal Ball or something? Can I borrow for crystal ball gazing to see what future war may unfold? 8)
You can have mine, but i think its broke, it doesnt show anything...
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Here we go again.. another gangbang on the cards.
Looks like Sirion/OI/Nivemus against us.
/me sighs.
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Umm... who is "us"? And what did you do to piss them all off?
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Umm... who is "us"? And what did you do to piss them all off?
Ravier is in Westmoor.
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Umm... who is "us"? And what did you do to piss them all off?
Westmoor, and actually nothing for once (and that's the truth!)
Sirion has been making overtures towards Armonia (who is now in an alliance with Westmoor) to attack Perdan, whilst Sirion strikes at us. It seems our new allies have informed us of this plot. Nivemus and OI would join as allies of convenience. So unless we can rally some kind of grand coalition against this.. well, we all know what will happen.
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Oh. Well, that explains it. The only people that even remotely like them are Perdan. (Maybe Armonia, but the alliance could still have nothing to do with friendship.)
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Westmoor, and actually nothing for once (and that's the truth!)
Sirion has been making overtures towards Armonia (who is now in an alliance with Westmoor) to attack Perdan, whilst Sirion strikes at us. It seems our new allies have informed us of this plot. Nivemus and OI would join as allies of convenience. So unless we can rally some kind of grand coalition against this.. well, we all know what will happen.
Ghee, i wonder whats going to happen to Armonia within an eye blink...
Three letter acronym: PMW
!@#$ yeah.
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Umm... who is "us"? And what did you do to piss them all off?
Besides still lay claim to Oberndorf(Nivemus), have a religion built around hostility towards elves(Sirion), and just generally disregarding an entire realm(OI)? They haven't done anything! ;D
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Besides still lay claim to Oberndorf(Nivemus), have a religion built around hostility towards elves(Sirion), and just generally disregarding an entire realm(OI)? They haven't done anything! ;D
Hey now. Nothing wrong with old wounds, religious zealotry/hatred, and.. uh.. hm. Haven't got an excuse for the last one. Might need to leave that one up to the Diplomats/Ambassadors. ;D
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Besides still lay claim to Oberndorf(Nivemus), have a religion built around hostility towards elves(Sirion), and just generally disregarding an entire realm(OI)? They haven't done anything! ;D
You mean the claim that we supported Nivemus on with the caveat that our temple there was not to be touched, which was agreed to by your predecessor, and then torn down weeks later? Yeah.
Elves are extinct. Or perhaps merely sterile and in very low numbers. There are only self-mutilated humans claiming to be elves now. Not is the Church of Humanity in any way built around 'elves'. Nice try though?
Westmoor has never "disregarded" OI. The peninsula would be ours if that was the case. Besides, Jor used to frequently try to talk to Shady. Unfortunately he would rarely actually respond to the messages, so Jor stopped. Why take effort when none is given in return?
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You mean the claim that we supported Nivemus on with the caveat that our temple there was not to be touched, which was agreed to by your predecessor, and then torn down weeks later? Yeah.
Elves are extinct. Or perhaps merely sterile and in very low numbers. There are only self-mutilated humans claiming to be elves now. Not is the Church of Humanity in any way built around 'elves'. Nice try though?
Westmoor has never "disregarded" OI. The peninsula would be ours if that was the case. Besides, Jor used to frequently try to talk to Shady. Unfortunately he would rarely actually respond to the messages, so Jor stopped. Why take effort when none is given in return?
No temple was ever torn down in Oberndorf? ... ? At least not to any knowledge of mine.
That's your opinion. ;)
OI earned that peninsula. Yes, perhaps with the help of others, but they earned it. I even told Emperor Shady so when I took office when a few Westmoor nobles were speculating(more like hoping) for a OI vs Nivemus war.
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Disregarding OI is an east continent tradition, with a long history. No one gets offended by it.
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Funnily enough, Westmoor is one of the few realms on the continent that takes OI relatively seriously. In RP terms, Westmoor sees OI as one of closest traditional allies (this is one of the reasons why Westmoor never directly helped the SoA in the war in the peninsula - but there were also other reasons).
When all of the OI's new mainland regions revolted and switched control to Westmoor, the bulk of Westmoor's armies went into those regions to do civil work and police work to get the regions stable so they could be handed back to OI in good condition (as had been agreed between Realm Councils of both realms). Westmoor put a lot of effort into bringing the regions into a good state, and also partially rebuilt and fed Kazakh, before returning the regions to OI in a well organized way.
Westmoorian lords still sell food to Kazakh and Kalmar as needed (Westmoor tends to sell its surplus to its allies - pretty much as you'd expect).
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That could very well be. All I know is that it doesn't surprise me that Westmoor is the next realm to get into war.
I hear that someone from Armonia has been slaughtering peasants in Perdan, and perhaps ranting about the gods of Ibladesh. Perhaps that is related to this as well?
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That could very well be. All I know is that it doesn't surprise me that Westmoor is the next realm to get into war.
I hear that someone from Armonia has been slaughtering peasants in Perdan, and perhaps ranting about the gods of Ibladesh. Perhaps that is related to this as well?
Armonia spilled Nivemus-Sirion-OI plans to Westmoor after allying, an alliance I can only assume they made in hopes of easing the tensions between Perdan and Armonia currently, but not entirely, manifested as the looting in Perdan by an Armonian noble.
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Armonia spilled Nivemus-Sirion-OI plans to Westmoor after allying
Westmoor's known about the Nivemus-Sirion-OI plans for much, much longer than that.
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Westmoor's known about the Nivemus-Sirion-OI plans for much, much longer than that.
Do tell! Please enlighten us all about our plans that you know all about. ;)
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Your council spills everything for booze.
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Your council spills everything for booze.
Is that your plan? Because it isn't ours! ;D
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Please enlighten us all about our plans that you know all about.
You want me to tell you your own plans? ;) I'll tell you what I know, so you know what I know, to see if I know what you already know? (Try saying that quickly - I'm sure there must be a Monty Python comedy sketch somewhere in that sentence).
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You want me to tell you your own plans? ;) I'll tell you what I know, so you know what I know, to see if I know what you already know? (Try saying that quickly - I'm sure there must be a Monty Python comedy sketch somewhere in that sentence).
Yeah. Maybe I have amnesia or something.
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Oh. Then you were only holding Ashforth and Oberndorf for me. Better turn 'em over ASAP before you forget again!
=P
And yeah, the temple thing was your predecessor as leader.
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Oh. Then you were only holding Ashforth and Oberndorf for me. Better turn 'em over ASAP before you forget again!
=P
And yeah, the temple thing was your predecessor as leader.
It was short term amnesia. ;)
Eh, I never recall seeing a temple being torn down report. Seems like something I would remember. But maybe not.
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Yeah, was a bit of an annoyance when we offered support to Nivemus and was basically stabbed in the back for it within around two weeks.
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Yeah, was a bit of an annoyance when we offered support to Nivemus and was basically stabbed in the back for it within around two weeks.
Support? You didn't give us Oberndorf... We TO'd it when it went rogue. You 'letting us keep it' isn't support. It's just making it a war issue.
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Actually, it was support since we were willing to give food to assist Nivemus and we recognized their claim on the region. No argument, no fighting. Just simple talking with the PROMISE of their leader to ensure the temple would remain unharmed.
Shame Nivemus is apparently a pack of liars. Would explain why Davis is there with Hergo and Lazslo! :o
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Actually, it was support since we were willing to give food to assist Nivemus and we recognized their claim on the region. No argument, no fighting. Just simple talking with the PROMISE of their leader to ensure the temple would remain unharmed.
Shame Nivemus is apparently a pack of liars. Would explain why Davis is there with Hergo and Lazslo! :o
Nivemus? Need food? Hehehe. I can see why he tore it down then.
Davis is here because I let the council vote on whether he could come here or not and they voted for. Hergo and Lazslo are here because they are here. I don't just ban people I don't like.
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So you admit you don't like them! Excellent.
/me makes notes.
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So you admit you don't like them! Excellent.
/me makes notes.
There are aspects I don't like about them. They complain a bit too much. But they are active and they do have a hatred for Westmoor, both things that I can use.
EDIT: And also, they aren't silent sheep. They speak their mind. That's better than silent sheep too.
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Only when it's the truth or makes sense. Sadly, they never have shown the ability to do either before.
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Only when it's the truth or makes sense. Sadly, they never have shown the ability to do either before.
To my knowledge, Laszlo and Hergo have never lied to me.
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If either claim they have ever done anything productive, they've lied to you. :P
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Many realms alliances and backstabbing I see in my crystal ball here eh? What's new? Nobody following honorable old time fashion of "one vs one realm" anymore? ;D
EC is a bit dull currently, doesnt you think? Wide realms continent war is the current fashion :P
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Many realms alliances and backstabbing I see in my crystal ball here eh? What's new? Nobody following honorable old time fashion of "one vs one realm" anymore? ;D
EC is a bit dull currently, doesnt you think? Wide realms continent war is the current fashion :P
Because there are literally three tiers of realms on the EC, and all of the lower realms which are next to each other are leashed to other realms for the most part.
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If the Atamaran continental bore-fest has taught us anything, it should be that continental wars don't always equal fun. What would really liven up the East Continent would be a war between rival Sirionite factions, but I doubt it'll ever happen.
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If the Atamaran continental bore-fest has taught us anything, it should be that continental wars don't always equal fun. What would really liven up the East Continent would be a war between rival Sirionite factions, but I doubt it'll ever happen.
First, the Atamaran wars being boring is partially self-inflicted. Eston could have kept fighting Coria. People could have put more time in strategically. There could have been different choices made to make it more interesting.
Second, the Sirion comment is a very biased and self serving response. Not saying that's wrong or that I disagree... But I'm calling it as it is.
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the Sirion comment is a very biased and self serving response. Not saying that's wrong or that I disagree... But I'm calling it as it is.
Not at all.
I'd say the same about any oversized and overpowered realm, whether it be Sirion, Arcaea, Cagilan Empire, etc. Looking at the situation on the ground on the EC, Sirion's about 3x the size of most other realms and had 70+ nobles the last time I looked. A realm that size could easily be split into two (maybe three) smaller realms of about 10 to 15 regions each, and that would create a more interesting playing environment for the whole continent.
To an extent, the same could also be said about Perdan and Caligus. But they don't control an entire side of the map like Sirion does.
Thinking about it, things could also trend the other way. Sirion's shown that you can pretty easily control about half the map, so you could end up with a continent of maybe 4 giant realms perpetually fighting it out and never really losing anything above a few regions. But, personally, I think a wider choice of smaller realms on a continent/island is better for the game because it creates greater choices and experiences for where people want to play, more opportunities to gain governmental titles, more complex and diverse diplomacy, and so on.
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Yes but admins and other people love big realms for some reason, so they ain't going away.
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Admins don't like to interfere with the development and evolution of the game. Also, the low player count kind of drives realms toward acquiring more and more land.
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Admins don't like to interfere with the development and evolution of the game. Also, the low player count kind of drives realms toward acquiring more and more land.
Mechanics restricting realm size have already been implemented, thus the D&E has already been interfered with. Restricting them further would be of no fundamental consequence to those...sentiments the admins harbour.
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That's your opinion. ;)
Belatedly responding to this, but was that to the elves not existing bit (which is mostly true if policy is enforced) or the Church not being created around hating elves? Because that's a definate fact.
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It's your right to not believe in elves (and the difference is that we don't try to impose our opinion as the only truth to the other players who want to have some fun playing in Sirion) how is our right to believe and spread the news that the Church is against elves and Jor is just a crazy lunatic creating something more dangerous than the Flow, and therefore should be eliminated. He has the same religion in another realms and continents... he will face little problems to leave with his fanaticism to other beaches.
The only hope to see Sirion split in two would be a feud between Ecthelion (Duke of Sirion) and Erik (Duke of Avamar, the largest duchy in Sirion), but that will never happen because Erik is an elf, you believing it or not, protesting it or not, repeating it forever or not. And he's a true Sirionite like Ecthelion is. Also, we have Alexander in Parm, Slimbar is secure under Anurak, Karbala with Zakilevo and Krimml... well... even with a backstab, the Council will not allow the city to become a duchy before the war, just after and then we will have a lot to discuss.
Sirion don't want to domain half of the map. Sirion just want to return to origins before the last war. To do it Sirion had to eliminate the Sultanate and Fontan much more because of the Flow and a sequence of stupid Judges torturing and killing prisoners. Now we have to solve our differences with Westmoor and Jor is just helping us, giving us reasons to do it.
Nivemus have everything to grow with Sirionite help, so have OI.
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Mechanics restricting realm size have already been implemented, thus the D&E has already been interfered with. Restricting them further would be of no fundamental consequence to those...sentiments the admins harbour.
Your belief about the sentiments of the devs is so far from the truth it's hilarious.
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In Sirion (a great realm not just in extension) we don't rely on "mechanics". We rely on roleplays and on the political and personal development. Eventually this system may collapse, but not because of the "mechanics", but through the character's experiences and actions.
Then I don't have anything to complaint about the devs and game mechanics until now. It's always about the characters.
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Belatedly responding to this, but was that to the elves not existing bit (which is mostly true if policy is enforced) or the Church not being created around hating elves? Because that's a definate fact.
I don't know why you keep harping on about this. Some people legitimately enjoy playing their characters as elves, and Tom obviously doesn't see an issue with it or he would have broken it up by now.
I think it's fine and fun and all if you want to destroy the Elves with a Church of Humanity glorifying humans and their way of life. I am even fine if you say in game that Elves are just mutilated humans. But coming on the forums and tearing down a type of gameplay that some people quite enjoy is just unnecessary.
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Completely unnecessary. In the game, in-game, any comment is valid (albeit stupid) and even with good results in RPs, as was my RP with Dürion that served to disarm some of my arguments (but also well praised here on the Forum and very valid for politics in times of war within the game).
The game is to have fun. Elves or not, once again what really matters is the character and his actions despite being elf or human. The game mechanics works regardless of these concepts.
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Elves? I always thought they did exist well since everyone started the elf and orc banter back around 04-05 I believe everyone up their was one! Now only half breeds and such I think are up their. Yet, weren't their Orcs? I mean was Hellscream a orc? *coughs*
Orc of course are just ugly green humans *coughs*
Sirion mmm survived many many things cause of their regions and neighbors unwillingness. I even thought of joining that group once, alas to fight against pointy eared people was more entertaining than with them. oo the rp oo the bloodshed.
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Elves? I always thought they did exist well since everyone started the elf and orc banter back around 04-05 I believe everyone up their was one! Now only half breeds and such I think are up their. Yet, weren't their Orcs? I mean was Hellscream a orc? *coughs*
Orc of course are just ugly green humans *coughs*
Sirion mmm survived many many things cause of their regions and neighbors unwillingness. I even thought of joining that group once, alas to fight against pointy eared people was more entertaining than with them. oo the rp oo the bloodshed.
Can't compare something if you haven't experienced it ;) Look at me! I have characters on both sides ;)
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Sirion survived against almost the entire continent in the last war.
And about the elves and some accusations that I was not there in 2004 when everyone had stupid names and crazy interactions (and when apparently I had the choice to play as elf different when I joined in 2006), we have NPCs and I can draw a family lineage since the first age without problems ;)
Probably my interpretation of an elf is too much singular to please the worshipers of good guys they saw in Tolkien's works or World of Warcraft. Especially because I don't like Tolkien or WOW. Instead I prefer the elves mentioned in norse mythology.
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It's your right to not believe in elves (and the difference is that we don't try to impose our opinion as the only truth to the other players who want to have some fun playing in Sirion) how is our right to believe and spread the news that the Church is against elves and Jor is just a crazy lunatic creating something more dangerous than the Flow, and therefore should be eliminated. He has the same religion in another realms and continents... he will face little problems to leave with his fanaticism to other beaches.
The only hope to see Sirion split in two would be a feud between Ecthelion (Duke of Sirion) and Erik (Duke of Avamar, the largest duchy in Sirion), but that will never happen because Erik is an elf, you believing it or not, protesting it or not, repeating it forever or not. And he's a true Sirionite like Ecthelion is. Also, we have Alexander in Parm, Slimbar is secure under Anurak, Karbala with Zakilevo and Krimml... well... even with a backstab, the Council will not allow the city to become a duchy before the war, just after and then we will have a lot to discuss.
Sirion don't want to domain half of the map. Sirion just want to return to origins before the last war. To do it Sirion had to eliminate the Sultanate and Fontan much more because of the Flow and a sequence of stupid Judges torturing and killing prisoners. Now we have to solve our differences with Westmoor and Jor is just helping us, giving us reasons to do it.
Nivemus have everything to grow with Sirionite help, so have OI.
Going to war is solving differences is it? :P
Westmoor tried to do that with Sirion during the formation stages of the peace treaty that they currently share. We basically got told that Westmoor had no chance of furthering relations with Sirion (beyond the peace treaty) because of its ties to Perdan and the fact that Sirion is still hungry for more land because they want to take Oligarch and I would assume some rural regions too.
Wars get fought to gain land. Land gets taken out of greed and desire, as such is the nature of BattleMaster. To fight, to expand, to survive.
Differences are solved by having discussions and attempting to reach an amicable and suitable resolution :)
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Going to war is solving differences is it? :P
Differences are solved by having discussions and attempting to reach an amicable and suitable resolution :)
Or by destroying the differences so that there is only one.
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Or by destroying the differences so that there is only one.
And that is how BM should work. You crush your foes or be crushed.
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Plus the fact that Westmoor was founded by Perdan with the idea of recreating Oligarch, which was Sirion's major enemy.
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And that is how BM should work. You crush your foes or be crushed.
Last I checked, the thing the game focused on was playing to have fun. Not playing to win.
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Last I checked, the thing the game focused on was playing to have fun. Not playing to win.
And last time I checked the game was called Battlemaster. I enjoy the battle aspect of the game.
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There is a difference between playing to win a war, and playing to win the game. Your characters should be trying to win the war, unless they have some IC reason to want their side to lose, or prolong the war, which should be rare. The characters *should* want to win. And there is nothing wrong with the player wanting to win a war, either.
We as players, though, should not be playing to win BattleMaster the game. You can't win it. So don't try.
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Plus the fact that Westmoor was founded by Perdan with the idea of recreating Oligarch, which was Sirion's major enemy.
While this may be true to some extent, it is at best deeply incomplete.
I was involved in the founding of Westmoor, and this was certainly not even close to the main reason for it. Indeed, I don't recall it being mentioned in the discussions I was involved in.
Just because a realm happens to include the capital city of a former realm, and happens to land on the "same side" of a geopolitical divide as that former realm, doesn't mean it was founded to be the rebirth of that realm.
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Indeed, that was not the primary motivation for the founding of Westmoor. I was part of the Perdan Senate at the time, and the Marshal who led Perdan's Crimson Wing to cut the duchy of Westmoor out of Fontan. We were not explicitly reforming Oligarch. If we were, the name probably would have been reused in some form.
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And last time I checked the game was called Battlemaster. I enjoy the battle aspect of the game.
I do too. But what I don't enjoy is people like you who take a perverse pleasure in playing schoolyard bully OOC "for teh lulz". It's disgraceful. And I certainly don't enjoy your realmmates being pricks OOCly for no good reason. You, as a ruler, failed to prevent that kind of behaviour in the last war. I suspect you will do so again because you will be joining in with it if this post is anything to go by.
At least the Saxons won't be involved this time (I hope).
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I do too. But what I don't enjoy is people like you who take a perverse pleasure in playing schoolyard bully OOC "for teh lulz". It's disgraceful. And I certainly don't enjoy your realmmates being pricks OOCly for no good reason. You, as a ruler, failed to prevent that kind of behaviour in the last war. I suspect you will do so again because you will be joining in with it if this post is anything to go by.
At least the Saxons won't be involved this time (I hope).
Rulers aren't responsible for monitoring OOC behavior. And I don't see how enjoying battle indicates he is going to 'schoolyard bully' you.
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While this may be true to some extent, it is at best deeply incomplete.
I was involved in the founding of Westmoor, and this was certainly not even close to the main reason for it. Indeed, I don't recall it being mentioned in the discussions I was involved in.
Just because a realm happens to include the capital city of a former realm, and happens to land on the "same side" of a geopolitical divide as that former realm, doesn't mean it was founded to be the rebirth of that realm.
This.
Everyone assumes Nivemus=New 'Old Rancagua'. I hope it has progressed beyond that point...
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Rulers aren't responsible for monitoring OOC behavior. And I don't see how enjoying battle indicates he is going to 'schoolyard bully' you.
Of course you don't see it - you're his friend. You'll be joining in.
Frankly, this war won't be "playing with friends" and having a laugh. It'll be Sirion and Nivemus basically pulling down their trousers and thrusting their collective dicks in people's faces as an insult.
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Of course you don't see it - you're his friend. You'll be joining in.
Frankly, this war won't be "playing with friends" and having a laugh. It'll be Sirion and Nivemus basically pulling down their trousers and thrusting their collective dicks in people's faces as an insult.
Let me lay it out in the open for you: You are making assumptions. Other than on the forums, you have never even TALKED to me OOC. So how would you know how I react in war, OOC or IC? You are being belligerent, biased, and nonsensical. Just because someone says, and I quote 'I enjoy the battle aspect of the game' does not mean they will be an ass when they win a battle. You have no idea how I will act, how Zakilevo will act, or even how our nobles will act. You can assume, insult, and complain all you want, but that does nothing. Because right now, the OOC dick here is you claiming I am going to do this offense and that offense with no proof and without even have ever faced my characters in battle before.
You said you wanted a war. Don't complain if it's a little lopsided. Frankly, nearly all wars are.
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I do too. But what I don't enjoy is people like you who take a perverse pleasure in playing schoolyard bully OOC "for teh lulz". It's disgraceful. And I certainly don't enjoy your realmmates being pricks OOCly for no good reason. You, as a ruler, failed to prevent that kind of behaviour in the last war. I suspect you will do so again because you will be joining in with it if this post is anything to go by.
At least the Saxons won't be involved this time (I hope).
Are you serious dude? I am talking to a paranoid school kid or something? Also, I am not in a dev team so I can't track people's OoC letters. I can't control how people act OoCly even if I could track those letters. Losing is a part of this game. If you can't accept that fact, leave the game instead of insulting someone.
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Let me lay it out in the open for you: You are making assumptions. Other than on the forums, you have never even TALKED to me OOC. So how would you know how I react in war, OOC or IC? You are being belligerent, biased, and nonsensical. Just because someone says, and I quote 'I enjoy the battle aspect of the game' does not mean they will be an ass when they win a battle. You have no idea how I will act, how Zakilevo will act, or even how our nobles will act. You can assume, insult, and complain all you want, but that does nothing. Because right now, the OOC dick here is you claiming I am going to do this offense and that offense with no proof and without even have ever faced my characters in battle before.
You said you wanted a war. Don't complain if it's a little lopsided. Frankly, nearly all wars are.
I never said I wanted a war - I said I didn't mind a good fight now and then. In fact if you bother to read, I've said recently that I wanted no part of a war with Sirion because of the drama and stress resulting from it. I remember very well what happened the last time there was a war - friends of mine wanted to leave EC and the game in its entirety because people were ruining it for them with their !@#$ty OOC attitudes and their "play to win" mentality. I am going on past experience at this point and I admit, I could easily be proved wrong.
I am voicing my concerns, which I am allowed to do however belligerent, biased, or nonsensical they may be, and I can do so until such time that one of the staff members of this board prohibits it in one way or another. If that also means I assume the worst-case scenario about all this, then so be it. I may well be pleasantly surprised and find it's the most fun I've had in this game in ages (bar the happenings in Caelum). But equally, I may be right.
Based on the letters I've seen, this war won't be "a little lopsided". It's going to be very much so. This is easily a war of annihilation or extinction, to quote our General purely because of the status of allies or potential allies. And from an IC perspective, that's exactly the kind of fight Ravier would want, the kind where he could attain glory and become a martyr. And that's great for me as a player, but I want to just leave the OOC crap like "lol Westmoor is run by a clan, Westmoor sux etc." at the door. That is my only concern at this juncture.
If you really think I'm being a dick for no other reason than because I can, then I suggest you take that to the relevant parties. I will also disagree with that point - I'm certainly being blunt, no doubt about it. But it's not out of malice.
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Are you serious dude? I am talking to a paranoid school kid or something? Also, I am not in a dev team so I can't track people's OoC letters. I can't control how people act OoCly even if I could track those letters. Losing is a part of this game. If you can't accept that fact, leave the game instead of insulting someone.
I've made my point in my post above. If you want to be childish and insult me, fine. But you have no right to tell me what I can and cannot play. The only people that have that power as far as BM goes are Tom and the Titans.
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I never said I wanted a war - I said I didn't mind a good fight now and then. In fact if you bother to read, I've said recently that I wanted no part of a war with Sirion because of the drama and stress resulting from it. I remember very well what happened the last time there was a war - friends of mine wanted to leave EC and the game in its entirety because people were ruining it for them with their !@#$ty OOC attitudes and their "play to win" mentality. I am going on past experience at this point and I admit, I could easily be proved wrong.
I am voicing my concerns, which I am allowed to do however belligerent, biased, or nonsensical they may be, and I can do so until such time that one of the staff members of this board prohibits it in one way or another. If that also means I assume the worst-case scenario about all this, then so be it. I may well be pleasantly surprised and find it's the most fun I've had in this game in ages (bar the happenings in Caelum). But equally, I may be right.
Based on the letters I've seen, this war won't be "a little lopsided". It's going to be very much so. This is easily a war of annihilation or extinction, to quote our General purely because of the status of allies or potential allies. And from an IC perspective, that's exactly the kind of fight Ravier would want, the kind where he could attain glory and become a martyr. And that's great for me as a player, but I want to just leave the OOC crap like "lol Westmoor is run by a clan, Westmoor sux etc." at the door. That is my only concern at this juncture.
If you really think I'm being a dick for no other reason than because I can, then I suggest you take that to the relevant parties. I will also disagree with that point - I'm certainly being blunt, no doubt about it. But it's not out of malice.
If you don't want part, that's your right. Just go play somewhere else!
Yes, it is your right to make assumed concerns. But you know what assumptions do...
I don't think Westmoor is run by a clan. I have no reason to think you 'suck' either. So, consider those left at the door by me.
I don't think you're being a dick just because. I think you are being a dick because you think I am being belligerent towards you and other Westmoorian players, when really I am just calling things as I see it, responding to your comments, and advertising a war that has been planned for months and that I have been working hard to bring about.
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and advertising a war that has been planned for months and that I have been working hard to bring about.
Now, see - that I didn't know. First off, fair play to you - I wouldn't know where to start short of needing the political clout to stir something up of this magnitude. But secondly, if you've worked hard, then it should pay dividends for you, which is that everyone involved should have fun and it should be a war to remember for the right reasons.
I apologise for going OTT with my concerns. I just have bad memories of the last war which I don't want to see a repeat of, as I've said before.
And for the record - there's no way in hell I'm moving Ravier or having him flee. He's either going down with the ship, or he'll live to fight on somewhere else in EC. ;D
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Now, see - that I didn't know. First off, fair play to you - I wouldn't know where to start short of needing the political clout to stir something up of this magnitude. But secondly, if you've worked hard, then it should pay dividends for you, which is that everyone involved should have fun and it should be a war to remember for the right reasons.
I apologise for going OTT with my concerns. I just have bad memories of the last war which I don't want to see a repeat of, as I've said before.
And for the record - there's no way in hell I'm moving Ravier or having him flee. He's either going down with the ship, or he'll live to fight on somewhere else in EC. ;D
Ravier, I too want both sides nobles to act appropriately. I will do what I can to see it be a fun war for everyone. I can only do so much though, as people decide for themselves what to do.
That's understandable. As I mentioned, I hope it won't happen again in this war.
As is your right! I can't wait for this to start!
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Also, I am not in a dev team so I can't track people's OoC letters.
Just for the record, the dev team does *not* track people's OOC letters. Tim and Tom are the only ones who have access to the live server, and Tim only does things that Tom tells him to do, except under extreme circumstances. (Which, after all, is why a second person has access.)
Secondly, I barely have time to play my own characters. (Bedwyr doesn't have time to play all his characters, ^ban^ has school work out the yang, etc., etc.) I can't imagine how boring, or time consuming, it would be to go trolling through the limitless mass of random, meaningless messages looking for something about which to get offended.
Thirdly, the dev team is not responsible for searching out and reporting offenses. No one on the dev team or the Titans goes around looking for violations to punish. See above.
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I really don't remember to see any OOC abuse in the last war, but I could be wrong. In fact, in Sirion we don't discuss our wars is this level. But I cannot speak for all the players.
IC it's different. In Game we don't like Westmoor and we have too much reasons, mainly after Jor transformed Westmoor in a "Theocracy" (this is the general vision in game, I'm not telling you're a real one), now we have reason to see the Church as something much more dangerous than the Flow.
If I remember well, Dürion was the only noble more exalted during the war, but this is completely justified by the stupidity of a Ruler saying to the people he's a kind of "self-mutilator". But this is IC. I'm convinced that many of you in Westmoor were impressed enough, but this is a in game situation and OOC I have nothing against the "Westmoor's players".
Nobody goes into a war expecting to lose. The characters want to win and burn Westmoor to the ground. Dürion want to dance over the ashes. In game we have a LOT of good reason to do it and this is not something we decided to do in the last week. Sirion hates Westmoor since its foundation. Now much more than in the past... and now Sirion don't have another enemies to take care, then it's time to solve our differences with Westmoor. Finally. I just hope I don't have to see more whining in face of my most violent roleplays about the war and the battles. Or then I will have to describe the soldiers distributing flowers...
If you ask me, IC my characters wants to win the war. OOC, why not? I like to fight and win wars... but I don't want to win the game. I just wanted to win the "game" in my times of Ikalak, but that was the goal of the War Island.
Sometimes I find this Forum much more dangerous to the game than beneficial to in game policies. Too much OOC when we don't know how much the people mix the two things for their own benefit.
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Take a chill pill guys and seriously just declare war already. The whole continent knows its coming. Heck plans have been flying around for at least 4 months. It really doesnt matter who the aggressor is at this points everyone will have picked at side already. Delaying it does nothing.
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Take a chill pill guys and seriously just declare war already. The whole continent knows its coming. Heck plans have been flying around for at least 4 months. It really doesnt matter who the aggressor is at this points everyone will have picked at side already. Delaying it does nothing.
Right now, we aren't so much as gathering allies as working out the final logistical problems before the war starts... Which given Sirion bureaucracy could take longer than necessary. :'(
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Right now, we aren't so much as gathering allies as working out the final logistical problems before the war starts...
This is what confuses me. Everyone has had plenty of time to prepare, is eager, and knows it's coming...but noone makes the move. If realms are having logistical problems (and IC people knew about it), I would think attacking before they can address their problems would throw them in disarray. This standoff is pointless for any realm that is ready.
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This is what confuses me. Everyone has had plenty of time to prepare, is eager, and knows it's coming...but noone makes the move. If realms are having logistical problems (and IC people knew about it), I would think attacking before they can address their problems would throw them in disarray. This standoff is pointless for any realm that is ready.
Our 'logistical issues' basically revolve around who gets what more than anything else, so, I wouldn't get too eager and think you are catching anyone off guard.
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You have to win the war to actually be able to settle who gets what
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You have to win the war to actually be able to settle who gets what
I disagree. The goal of this whole endeavor is pretty clear cut, which means until we accomplish that goal, war is on. We want to make sure we have it planned out so nobody gets taken advantage of. Besides, Sirion still has ridiculously dumb claims from the Doc era that we need to sort through so...
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Anyways, I should probably shut up because I feel like I am giving too much insight into the inner workings of what's happening right now.
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Our 'logistical issues' basically revolve around who gets what more than anything else, so, I wouldn't get too eager and think you are catching anyone off guard.
My comment goes both ways. Maybe Sirion is giving up their chance to attack an unready realm while they argue over spoils they haven't gained yet. The fact that everyone knew a war was coming (even before the Armonian warning) means that people are showing their hands. Maybe someone has something up their sleeve, and I would hope they do given how much time people have had to plan, but the longer you wait the more likely what is up your sleeve will fall out.
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We're definitely not talking about spoils. We just want good reasons to fight this war without give more reasons when everyone already thinks we are the big bullies of East Continent.
The Council of Sirion is a great place to play politics, but sometimes it's a kick in the arse.
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My comment goes both ways. Maybe Sirion is giving up their chance to attack an unready realm while they argue over spoils they haven't gained yet. The fact that everyone knew a war was coming (even before the Armonian warning) means that people are showing their hands. Maybe someone has something up their sleeve, and I would hope they do given how much time people have had to plan, but the longer you wait the more likely what is up your sleeve will fall out.
I have planned for those such scenarios as well. ;)
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Politics of Sirion is giving me a headache. So many obstacles to overcome...
Well I am definitely trying to get this thing going asap. Like what Menethil said, everyone knew this was coming for some time. It was just hard to initiate. I think everyone is pretty much ready to go to war.
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This.
Everyone assumes Nivemus=New 'Old Rancagua'. I hope it has progressed beyond that point...
Unfortunately, when that's been Nivemus's claim to anything and when Sirion and Nivemus on its founding has said it's simply new OR... Well, what do you expect?
now we have reason to see the Church as something much more dangerous than the Flow.
Err. Yeah. A faith that only converts through preaching and prohibits many of the priest options (such as seizing regions) from being used is more dangerous than a faith that made continual attempts to take lands with such methods? :p
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Unfortunately, when that's been Nivemus's claim to anything and when Sirion and Nivemus on its founding has said it's simply new OR... Well, what do you expect?
Err. Yeah. A faith that only converts through preaching and prohibits many of the priest options (such as seizing regions) from being used is more dangerous than a faith that made continual attempts to take lands with such methods? :p
On the contrary, we haven't used that claim at all. At least not of any significance yet. All the regions we have taken were either rogue or Sultanate. Yes, they correspond with the boundaries of Old Rancagua, but that doesn't mean we have a claim from them... Kinda like how Westmoor doesn't have a claim to the next Oligarch JUST BECAUSE they have Oligarch City and like two people from back in the day Oligarch.
And a faith that is basically a powder keg, ready to blow up against any aggressive elves? The Flow wasn't always corrupt either...
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Actually, you did. And Sirion did for you. Zakky was quite adamant that Nivemus has what it has because they are OR restored.
A faith that would maintain its principles when it is outright attacked by the "elves"? That doesn't sound like a powder keg. That sounds like defending itself and maintaining the moral high ground.
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Actually, you did. And Sirion did for you. Zakky was quite adamant that Nivemus has what it has because they are OR restored.
A faith that would maintain its principles when it is outright attacked by the "elves"? That doesn't sound like a powder keg. That sounds like defending itself and maintaining the moral high ground.
Sirion can say what it wants, but they do not define who we are. Yes, we take some values from OR and some values from Sirion, but we are not OR reborn. I have remained adamant about that.
Everyone says that they will stick to their 'values' though. ;)
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Yes, but we have. Otherwise all of Fontan would've been religiously seized. :P
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it be more interesting to bicker in game with your characters and start a war! Westmoor assaults Sirion or Sirion attacks Caligus
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it be more interesting to bicker in game with your characters and start a war! Westmoor assaults Sirion or Sirion attacks Caligus
Why in the world would Sirion attack Caligus? That is literally the last realm Sirion would attack.
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Why in the world would Sirion attack Caligus? That is literally the last realm Sirion would attack.
So you admit Sirion could possibly attack Caligus then ;)
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So you admit Sirion could possibly attack Caligus then ;)
Ha.
Westmoor trolls. At least your twisting of words isn't believable in the slightest. ;)
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You said it yourself: It will be the last realm Sirion will attack!
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How about less talking, more action? Talking is for diplomat, ambassador ;)
I start to think that perhaps EC war has resembled Cold War in real world :o
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I am waiting to see what reasons/excuses Sirion comes up with for restarting a war with Westmoor when there has been no hostility since the peace treaty was signed.
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On the contrary, all the breaks have been from Sirion's side!
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I start to think that perhaps EC war has resembled Cold War in real world :o
If you are close to the fires of diplomacy, this could be very interesting.
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Err. Yeah. A faith that only converts through preaching and prohibits many of the priest options (such as seizing regions) from being used is more dangerous than a faith that made continual attempts to take lands with such methods? :p
We will see along the war. And you're just lying. I can count the Priests of Sirion in the fingers of a sole hand and they never was involved in any war, even against the Flow. So, they are not seizing regions.
Honestly, this whole conversation is getting ridiculous. Sirion need reasons to attack Westmoor? We can start with the nonsense of a kidnapped king, an old claim on Oligarch, passing by religious propaganda until reach the obvious reason: hatred... pure and simple. The vision Sirion has about Westmoor is simple: a realm full of weak usurpers and profiteers who should disappear as any puppet realm that was created during the war by the enemies of Sirion. We did it with the Sultanate and now is time to do the same in Westmoor. No one likes Jor as well.
Reasons enough. Now I will try to get back to the real game. Too much OOC thrown away.
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I'm talking ABOUT the Flow. You said the CoH is more dangerous than the Flow, yet during its history it's never done such things. Even when the Triumvirate had a presence in Westmoor, Jor booted one of their priests for attempting to seize one of Sirion's regions. Just trying to follow your logic. Or lack there of.
It's funny, Sirion was so eager to count Westmoor as an ally on its founding, yet also so quick to betray it when they thought it was to their advantage. How eager Sirion is to forget that little bit of history.
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I don't have any interest in the Flow now they are arrested in one region, probably because of that I failed to see your comparison among the Flow and the Church instead of th Church and the Sacred Grove.
Alliances of occasion were attempted by Prime Ministers of ocassion that passed over the Council to do this. In this specific case, that was Handow's fault. He's not part of the Council anymore and we have our own history about him and this stupid attempet. However, this little character flaw of one man who acted as a dictator at many times is not enough to overcome the rest.
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Perhaps one region in Sirion, but there are a few of them down in Eponllyn. Not sure if there are any in Nivemus.
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Out of Sirion and out of reach, they're not a problem for us anymore. Maybe if they are stupid enough to be vengeful, so maybe there is a new war declared against them in the future. For now they're not a danger.
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There are no Flow temples in Nivemus, nor will there be ever, most likely. The Order and the Flow have a rocky history. They consider each other evil as well.
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...is there anyone that doesn't view the Flow as evil?
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...is there anyone that doesn't view the Flow as evil?
Good question. No idea.
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...is there anyone that doesn't view the Flow as evil?
A good reason for a new war. To take out the Flow.
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I agree a lot of OCC
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A good reason for a new war. To take out the Flow.
For the Greater Good.
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Is just me of there is a new statistic contest on the EC?
Or there is a bug with the graph.... me wonders ::)
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Is just me of there is a new statistic contest on the EC?
Or there is a bug with the graph.... me wonders ::)
;)
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Is just me of there is a new statistic contest on the EC?
Or there is a bug with the graph.... me wonders ::)
You have not wake up fully. Go drink your coffee ;D
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To the Rulers...
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To the Rulers...
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+100 :D
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Of all days, why escalation on Valentine Day? I thought this is lovers day ;)
That is quite a quick escalation. Now all my characters will be at war ::)
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To the Rulers...
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Quickly? QUICKLY?!?
The first post on this thread was posted on September 12th.... 155 days! Half a year we've been waiting for this!
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That would be good... I have 3k CS troops to lead (with 2 characters) ;)
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Quickly? QUICKLY?!?
The first post on this thread was posted on September 12th.... 155 days! Half a year we've been waiting for this!
On East Continent, that's record time! :D
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So what's going on in the EC?
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Well, it's shaping up to be Perdan/Westmoor/Armonia v. Sirion/Nivemus. Not sure what Caligus plans on doing.
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Well, it's shaping up to be Perdan/Westmoor/Armonia v. Sirion/Nivemus. Not sure what Caligus plans on doing.
Opportunistically sit on the sidelines until it becomes clear that they can pick up some regions with little to no effort.
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Hey, you do what works best for you.
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Well, it's shaping up to be Perdan/Westmoor/Armonia v. Sirion/Nivemus. Not sure what Caligus plans on doing.
OI will pick a side.
EDIT: This is a prediction... You know... Since this is a prediction thread.
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Well, it's shaping up to be Perdan/Westmoor/Armonia v. Sirion/Nivemus. Not sure what Caligus plans on doing.
Really?
hmm........OK!
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3 hours Later
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Done!
Where shall i send the Shipment? Westmoor? Sirion? Is war declared already?
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Me gusta.
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OI will pick a side.
Oh crap, I forgot all about them....
(Seriously! I did!)
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I doubt Armonia can do something, but we will see. The Silver Legion have the same CS of OI, Armonia and maybe even Nivemus.
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This war will see the recreation of Ibladesh. Have fear, infidels, for I am returning, rising from the ashes and going straight for Dobby's head!
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Not trying to provoke a Continental Wide War here but.................... But this is the oportunity for Eponlyn and Armonia to smack Caligus around.
Come on! by logic in the most OOCly way, even if they have different flags are Ibladesh nobles, they should want revenge!
But one of the things that bothers me of BM, is that new realms brainwash Noble Ideals...... but o well...time to prepare some RP since it seems two of my characters will be fighting each other...
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Look, I don't mind the letters claiming that Nivemus is a tyrannical regime that murders and drafts its citizens, that's all fine and fun. Words and letters can always be debated and contested. It's always important to demonize your enemy, I understand that and support that entirely from an RP perspective. It's propaganda, every nation has done it in history.
But writing a private RP that only your character saw that objectively "shows" that Nivemus is murdering, raping and ruling its inhabitants is god-modding. And then sharing it with all the rulers on the continent. Basically you are saying that Nivemus must be that way because you roleplayed it as factually so, we can't contest it because only you "saw it".
That would be like if I wrote an RP where I saw your character engaging in heinous acts of mass rape and torture when you had never RPed that yourself and never implied you did that. It's incredibly rude to the other players and is poor roleplay, and if you were in any tabletops games or other RP games that I have taken apart of, you would be kicked out immediately.
I hope always to keep any IG feelings away from my OOC thoughts, but after this my respect for the players of Nigel De La Fere and Atanamir of Umbar has dropped quite a lot.
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I already expressed my OOC thoughts on the matter in the Ruler Channel and to the player who did the RP, so I am not going to continue harping here.
I just hope next time we can have a RP that isn't so... Dirty, I guess. Hopefully, we can put this behind us and have a good, fun war like all the players on the continent deserve.
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I agree that the RP was in poor taste and godmoding. Would have preferred seeing him over think this. Or maybe seeing a traveling Sirionite merchant that had some slaves and assuming it was someone from Nivemus. *shrug*. Sadly all realms don't have RP standards.
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I'd rather see a bad RP start a war than ongoing peace or a random war. If you don't like what happened, RP back with "...but actually..." and whatever. It's a battle of propaganda and creativity. A random town has a bunch of cranky women and alot of dead bodies, eh, that was a bandit town or (like Draco said) a merchant caravan or just accept it as propaganda not adequately framed.
Good RP>Bad RP>No RP
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I'd rather see a bad RP start a war than ongoing peace or a random war. If you don't like what happened, RP back with "...but actually..." and whatever. It's a battle of propaganda and creativity. A random town has a bunch of cranky women and alot of dead bodies, eh, that was a bandit town or (like Draco said) a merchant caravan or just accept it as propaganda not adequately framed.
Good RP>Bad RP>No RP
No, war was already going to start. Otherwise, I might agree with you. And while there are certain ways to combat godmodding, it still hurts.
Once again, doesn't matter. Just put this behind us and start this damned war already.
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Am I the only one having issue with other realm RolePlay they can recruit men from another realm region as their personal guard? >:(
His RolePlay of being able to recruit from another realm region is impossible in the game
Oh well. War coming. Bad RolePlay will serve as the motivation for me to do well to prove him wrong on battlefields 8)
Roleplay from Atanamir of Umbar (8 hours, 6 minutes ago)
Message sent to the Rulers of East Continent (7 recipients)
"Let me see King Atanamir!", the old man shouted in the entrance hall of the palace.
The guards and the court counselor of the King were facing an angry old man with his followers, who wanted an audience with King Atanamir.
"The King does not interfere personally with commoners, you won't be granted an audience, no matter how loud you shout, old man!" the royal court counselor replied.
"Old man!? I am Fandor, elder of the tribe of the Haradrim from the plains of Pedrera amd Caqueta in Nivemus. I must insist that you allow us to speak to the King. We are not commoners to him, we are his people. He is the last in the line of Fuinur, our ethnic leader, with whom we came many decades ago to this continent from the Kingdom of Umbar. The House of Umbar is our leader, some of us have followed the House till Perdan, but the majority of us still lives in the plains in the north, now under the banner of Nivemus! I demand an audience with our master!" the old man insisted and spoke proudly towards the counselor.
The royal counselor, confused, left the room and hasted towards the office rooms, where also the office of King Atanamir was. He entered the room.
"My King, I am sorry to disturb, but there is a..."party" that wishes an audience with you. They call themselves Haradrim and claim that you would be their ethnic leader. Their speaker calls himself Fandor. Just tell me what to say and I will send them home again, I don't want to bother you any longer..." the counselor said to Atanamir.
"What?! Fandor!? The Haradrim?! Here, in the palace!? Send them to the Royal Hall at once. I will of course offer them an audience, you fool. These are the people with which my family sailed over to these lands many decades ago, under Fuinur, my father. They are bound to my family, since they of our ethnic origin." Atanamir shouted to the embarassed councelor.
So the Royal Hall got prepared and Atanamir greeted the Haradrim as they entered the hall.
The Haradrim came close to the throne and kneeled down before the King of Perdan.
Atanamir stood up and walked over to the old man in front of them.
"Good old Fandor, how the years have passed, but you still don't need to kneel in front of me. Tell me, servant of my father, what is it that has brought you all so far to the south?" Atanamir asked Fandor. Fandor had been the long time captain of King Fuinur. He was been there when Eleador died, and Kazakh and Avamar fell to Fuinur's troops.
"Sire, it's this...this new realm...Nivemus. They rule over the tribes of the plains, of the Old Rancagua, with an iron fist. They have enslaved many of us for their evil plans of world domination along with the new generation of rulers in Sirion. Everything has changed since you left. The realm that should have become Old Rancagua again has failed. Nivemus is the opposite, it has nothing of the old spirit. Sire, me and these 85 men here have left our homes in Pedrera and Caqueta to come here and ask you to help us. Our young boys get recruited before they can even hold a proper sword and put as auxiliary troops into their armies which they prepare to war Westmoor. They will use them as front line fodder and we fear that we never see them again. Oligarch City, the lands south of Ashforth and even the Omskian peninsula have filled the eyes of the Nivemus "nobility" - in truth mostly former nobles from Sirion who wanted to become something - with greed! Even the last sword carrier, Talius and the Sword of Wisdom, Nolemàcil, does not help us. We have not heard since long from him. Please, help us, great King, for Glinluin, the One Sword is needed again in the North to bring order into the chaos!" Fandor explained desperately to Atanamir.
"Fandor, these are heavy acusations you raise against Nivemus. But I have no reason not to believe you. I will enquire Kronogos Neji about this and demand an explanation. Nivemus was formed as successor state to Old Rancagua and to bring peace and freedom to the humans in the North. This was the pact made in Sirion, I was personally there. If that is the opposite, we will have to act. Also, Old Rancagua was a loyal ally to Perdan. Nivemus never tried to be this, they seem to follow other paths, and surely not the one of humanity. Too long we have been accepting this in the south. Too long. The human race in the North deserves to live in freedom and under their own rule." Atanamir replied. "I will take care of this good Fandor. Your men shall enter my personal guard and serve besides m
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Does it really matter what he RPd? You can just RP your report that these refugees are highway bandits who barely escaped after a botched ambush on a caravan that was heavily defended. Obviously these liars and thieves are running to some gullible fool they can convince to believe their pack of lies. Good riddance to them!
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Does it really matter what he RPd? You can just RP your report that these refugees are highway bandits who barely escaped after a botched ambush on a caravan that was heavily defended. Obviously these liars and thieves are running to some gullible fool they can convince to believe their pack of lies. Good riddance to them!
Eh, I kind of appreciated Atanamir's RP. It started a war and was creative in the way it did so.
The most recent RP... Not so much.
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Eh, I kind of appreciated Atanamir's RP. It started a war and was creative in the way it did so.
The most recent RP... Not so much.
This. Atanamir's RP was fine. And those loyal to his family WOULD be colored in their opinions.
Not a fan of the other RP, but what's done is done.
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I've only seen the one posted here in this thread. IMO, it doesn't step over any lines. He doesn't gain any game-mechanics advantage out of it. It can easily be countered by other claims that are not too difficult to make. And it's not likely to convince anyone who doesn't want to be convinced. The only people who believe will be those who are already looking for a reason for war.
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I've only seen the one posted here in this thread. IMO, it doesn't step over any lines. He doesn't gain any game-mechanics advantage out of it. It can easily be countered by other claims that are not too difficult to make. And it's not likely to convince anyone who doesn't want to be convinced. The only people who believe will be those who are already looking for a reason for war.
For the record:
Roleplay from Nigel De La Fere (7 hours, 15 minutes ago)
Message sent to the Rulers of East Continent (8 recipients)
Nigel entered the lands of Obendorf, a border land of Nivemus, through the main road in the south-west. His first impression was good, the peasants in a small village were speaking happily and everything looked fine. Nigel wondered how come these peasants are ten times more happier than those in Perdan...
...that was his first impression. He walked down the road and hid himself in the bushes without to be seen. He monitored the people close, as something didnt feel right. There were a lot of women and children, but very few men. And the men who were there, formed a group and stood by themselves. Away from the others. But yet closely monitoring what was going on... Every once in a while the women looked at the men with hatred and disgust in their eyes.
A group of peasants walked by and talked among themselves.
"We must be quiet sister, please stop crying, they promised that if we behave that we are happy then we will see father again. They will release him and everything is fine againg..."
Then a young woman started screaming and attacked the men yelling:
"Give my husband back you pigs, I am with child and my husband needs to be with me. Give him back you bastar...." The woman was caught mid speech, she was quickly thrown into a house. Before Nigel could get close, he saw the dead body of the woman carried out of the building. She was put on a carriage and started moving away from the village.
Nigel quickly followed. Ther horse carriage went off the main road. Towards a large hole in the ground. The body was thrown in the hole. Nigel waited the carriage to leave and inspected the hole. He stopped in terror, atleast a hundred dead bodies. Some without heads, some torn into pieces, tortured...
He has seen a lot of terror on Beluaterra, but even the daimons did not dishonour the human bodies like that.
Disgusted with the situation, Nigel moved on deeper into the region. He encountered several of these holes, some freshly covered with dirt. He could only imagine what lies down there...
Soon he noticed that the villages deeper into the region are rather empty. Some houses burnt. He grabbed some locals and tried to question them but everybody was full of fear and disgust towards strangers.
As he was finding a hideout in the forest, he found about a hundred of men and women, everybody able to escape was here. At start the locals tried to attack him but as he loudly explains his origin, they calmed and greeted him happily. It turns out the armies of Nivemus went by the villages and recruited forcefully, those who opposed were killed. People tortured and houses burnt. Some of the people managed to escape though. Others were forced to work on the fields under opression.
Nigel decided to help the poor people out of the region. They decided that after nightfall Nigel turns the attention in the soldiers to himself, makes them chase him and gather in one place so there would be a possibility for the locals to escape towards Westmoor. He did not know if he will survive this, but these people deserve a chance to escape this terror.
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Obvious propaganda created by a warlike, empire-building fanatic who desires nothing more than a thin veil of seeming legitimacy behind which to hide his brutal plans of conquest and domination of the peaceful people of Nivemus. He's a liar, and you should immediately challenge him to a duel to the death over these vicious falsehoods.
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Obvious propaganda created by a warlike, empire-building fanatic who desires nothing more than a thin veil of seeming legitimacy behind which to hide his brutal plans of conquest and domination of the peaceful people of Nivemus. He's a liar, and you should immediately challenge him to a duel to the death over these vicious falsehoods.
Except Neji has no idea who is sending these reports. Sure, he can speculate... But the man hid himself.
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A roleplay in and of itself is not "lying". You can lie within it, but the actions aren't lying. It's not like it's a letter.
That's the issue Nivemus (rightly) has with it.
And what is someone going to challenge him to a duel over? Looking at things? Helping people? It's not like he walked over to a noble or guard and began calling them slavers and rapists.
Roleplaying in and of itself is NOT propaganda. Or shouldn't be. A character's interpretation of events or the report he writes up after the fact can be, of course. Yet no one has SEEN any report from him.
Which is why I smack people when their reports are simply C&Ped roleplays. If they can't take a little effort, I really don't want to hear from them.
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A roleplay in and of itself is not "lying". You can lie within it, but the actions aren't lying. It's not like it's a letter.
That's the issue Nivemus (rightly) has with it.
And what is someone going to challenge him to a duel over? Looking at things? Helping people? It's not like he walked over to a noble or guard and began calling them slavers and rapists.
Roleplaying in and of itself is NOT propaganda. Or shouldn't be. A character's interpretation of events or the report he writes up after the fact can be, of course. Yet no one has SEEN any report from him.
Which is why I smack people when their reports are simply C&Ped roleplays. If they can't take a little effort, I really don't want to hear from them.
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A roleplay in and of itself is not "lying". You can lie within it, but the actions aren't lying. It's not like it's a letter.
That's the issue Nivemus (rightly) has with it.
He's obviously relaying the story to other people, and spreading news of it, isn't he? He'd have to be, or no one could know that it was happening. Therefore, he is telling false stories, carefully crafted to show the situation that he wants to present to the world. The "RP" is his retelling of the story. How else would it spread to all the rulers on the entire island?
And what is someone going to challenge him to a duel over? Looking at things? Helping people? It's not like he walked over to a noble or guard and began calling them slavers and rapists.
His deceitful tales of his travels through Oberndorf.
Roleplaying in and of itself is NOT propaganda. Or shouldn't be. A character's interpretation of events or the report he writes up after the fact can be, of course. Yet no one has SEEN any report from him.
So RP that your men captured some unknown foreigner that was spreading the tale, and who claims that he was hired by some "high ranking Perdan official" to spread the tale. Unfortunately the man died during "intensive questioning" before you could convince him to describe his employer. After all, it's up to you to make up how you know about the story, right? There's plenty of ways that you could spin the tale any way you want. You just have to be creative.
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Roleplay is best countered with Roleplay. It has been awhile since I done RolePlay with Brock. Enjoy reading Battlemaster folks :D
Roleplay from Brock Ketchum (just sent)
Message sent to the Rulers of East Continent (8 recipients)
"My lord, the Haradrim tribe of Pedrera region have something to report." Brock's scribe walks over. There is some of the Haradrim tribe folks following behind closely.
Brock still pondering over recent events and nods his head "Welcome. I am sure you are all here due to some urgent matter."
"My lord. I am Gelderin, elder leader of the Haradrim tribe. The tribe of Haradrim has been happy and cheering under your lordship in Pedrera. We are doing well and we believe my lord will help us to great prosperity.
There are some bandits at Pedrera region recently. Our people together with some militia managed to drive them off and killed a few of them. Unfortunately the surviving bandits managed to make it off with the tribe's clothes and attires. It is nothing of valuable, short of the bandits pretending to be from our Haradrim tribe.
Our militia scout reports that the bandits are heading towards Perdan palace wearing our Haradrim tribes clothes and attires. This is shocking news to us. We hope you can uphold our tribe good name" Gelderin continues.
Brock listening attentively "Elder Gelderin, do not worry. I know this well. No doubt the bandits have made their way to Perdan realm and seeking audience with their King. How hilarious that bandits can fool the King. So now the bandits have been recruited by the King as his Personal Guard. If the historian is to write the truth as it is, they will be laughing as they dry up their parchments."
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He's obviously relaying the story to other people, and spreading news of it, isn't he? He'd have to be, or no one could know that it was happening. Therefore, he is telling false stories, carefully crafted to show the situation that he wants to present to the world. The "RP" is his retelling of the story. How else would it spread to all the rulers on the entire island?
His deceitful tales of his travels through Oberndorf.
So RP that your men captured some unknown foreigner that was spreading the tale, and who claims that he was hired by some "high ranking Perdan official" to spread the tale. Unfortunately the man died during "intensive questioning" before you could convince him to describe his employer. After all, it's up to you to make up how you know about the story, right? There's plenty of ways that you could spin the tale any way you want. You just have to be creative.
While this is true, once again, I do not know who is relaying the information, I can just say whoever is telling the tale is a liar.
The thing is, is this directly contradicts game mechanics, which is in bad taste. You see, I would be fine if he saw things as they actually are and then interpreted them to mean we are oppressors, but he portrayed us as actually in the act of oppressing... In a region with full production, that apparently has burned down villages and lowered population, full morale, even though there are fake smiles to go around, and full realm loyalty and control, even though there are rebels in the forests.
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Actually it would be easier if anyone who want war, just declare war with the justification "I do not like this particular Ruler on your realm throne", "I do not like your realm name" and etc. That is all fine with me ;)
Doing so much efforts just to justify the war and somehow find Roleplay ways to say "RolePlay can trump game mechanism statistics" even when the region statistic(realm loyalty, realm control are all very high good). Burning in the Oberndorf village? What a non-existent stuff is that :o
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By the way, Ketchum, love your RP. Perfect way to take the situation by the horns and turn it around in your favor.
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Actually it would be easier if anyone who want war, just declare war with the justification "I do not like this particular Ruler on your realm throne", "I do not like your realm name" and etc. That is all fine with me ;)
I appreciate the flavor of convoluted RP's, but that's just me. I know most people want to play as honorable men with untarnished reputation, but we have to slander each other if we want rivalries, justified aggression, and for morale of our realmmates to be bolstered. It's the spice that stings at times, but it makes the soup more flavorful.
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I appreciate the flavor of convoluted RP's, but that's just me. I know most people want to play as honorable men with untarnished reputation, but we have to slander each other if we want rivalries, justified aggression, and for morale of our realmmates to be bolstered. It's the spice that stings at times, but it makes the soup more flavorful.
Then slander through perceptions. Not through roleplaying out what we do with our peasants.
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That's a great point, Uzamaki. While the original RPs style was not something I would do or appreciate, it's not against the rules. Ketchum's way of handling it is great. One story back and forth is fine. If it keeps going back and forth 5 or 6 times, then yeah, it would get pretty ridiculous very fast.
I've done stuff like that with a friend while RPing adventurers. We would write that kind of stuff to challenge each other, and try to trip each other up. It can be a lot of fun. But not something I would do at the ruler/international level.
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The war will happen, that's obvious. However, that was very funny to see Atanamir's reasons. He looks like a shepherd fighting for some goats that MAYBE (just maybe) have jumped the fence. It's not the first time that the lack of logical reasons leads to outlandish reasons that are not based on the real game history, but in pure background. This is at least disrespectful to the other players. It's not enough to be Ruler in his own kingdom, he even thinks he have the right to interpret nonsense about the peasants from other realms. It's like hearing this stupidity about Sirion have slaves when it was never interpreted this way inside the realm. Propaganda is one thing, trying to interpret it as something real for your own benefit is idiotic.
But it is a simple argument to be refuted. Many regions from Old Rancagua/Sultanate/Nivemus were completely devastated. The Sultan could have expelled these families, enslaved them for his harems, etc.. It's much more likely that Erik has more bastards in Nivemus than Atanamir have whole tribes connected with his family. It's like when Westmoor invented that Sirion kidnapped its king. Interesting? Maybe. Possible? Absolutely not. Factual? Definitely not. Only an inventive RP, though false, to justify a situation that considers only one side and that has no basis in game mechanics. As much as I love a good background, I also love when it can be based on real events. This is not the case at all.
But in the end it was a good excuse to attack Nivemus instead to declare war against Sirion. I think Atanamir not have enough balls to declare war against the realm that kicked him and where he's still considered a joke and the worst General we ever had. It's easier to create fictional reasons, even when the true sound more fun.
In "protest", I sent my own RP to the rulers channel.
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Hello, just a few things from the worst General that Sirion ever had, since I don't like to involve things into OOC too much.
The whole story started with finding parts of my personal RP which I have since 2004 in the wiki page of Nivemus.
I must say I was flattered, even though there were mistakes about the Haradrim. Like e.g. they were dated in Pedrera and Caqueta since 5-4 centuries, when it could have been max 100-150 years (if I count Fuinur's and Atanamir's age and some time inbetween).
This gave me a reason to use my RP and RP it with Nivemus, since Nivemus obviously did the same vice versa to settle its foundation as new realm.
The Haradrim are since centuries connected with the Umbar lords, you can find their name on recruitment centers and units on almost all continents, longer than Brock exists for example (good RP but Gelderin is nothing but a traitor to his tribe! :D ).
So, common history gets shared and everyone involved can use it. Just like in RL, how many wars have started due to ethnic groups feeling themselves closer to other countries than the current they belong to! ;)
So enjoy the war and make the best out of it. And stop OOCing so much. Use your imagination and fight IG back.
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I just think it's good to draw certain limits in your RPs for the future. I just don't think it's fair to have a single view of a "clan" or whole tribes into a realm which is now led by another people and others who have an equal right to say, for example, that all Haradrim in Nivemus were extinguished, immigrated, etc.
I don't like to know that someone in another edge of the continent is doing RPs about the commoners in Avamar without any foundation in game mechanics besides the desire to start a war. This can be fun, but it would be much more fun if it was something consensual and not something imposed... it's a basic rule for good RPs (Jor can think elves are just crazy people mutilating their own ears, but that doesn't make him owner of any absolute truth as cows would not start to fly just because I believe they can). Now you made it public, then I will enjoy a little as well. Erik also have a rich history from the war against the Sultans and the foundation of Nivemus. I'm surprised, but I can find Erik's name as savior of the White Tree.
This is a Forum, this is to discuss OOC. In game, I sent my RP. Let's see if there will be some reaction or if Atanamir is worried just with Nivemus. Or if they know that Erik have harems filled with beautiful young women from the Sultanate and his own Haradrim serving him. Nivemus is arming the tribes to fight... Erik just wants a little worship. ;)
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I'm surprised, but I can find Erik's name as savior of the White Tree.
Messiah may be a little much. But you certainly are viewed as someone who carried out Ora's will. High Priest Obito likes Erik. Liked him more when he wasn't as here, there, and everywhere.
Interesting terms Atanamir just offered. And completely outrageous. But that's to be expected, right? :D
Perdan will be from now on in war status with Nivemus till following terms will be accepted by Nivemus:
- Nivemus will secede the Duchy of Oroya to an independent realm, which truly follows the ways of Old Rancagua.
- The new realm will be a Monarchy, Sir Talius shall become its King, further former Old Rancaguans (not ex-Sironites) for the council shall be decided along with Perdan.
- The new realm will be in Oroya - Pedrera - Pucallpa - Juazeiro - Salta, the original lands of the Old Rancagua. The name of the realm is free to decide, it should have though a connex to the history of the greater region.
- Nivemus shall remain in Ashforth - Dale - Obando - Caqueta (lands that Old Rancagua had occupied from Oligarch and Eleador)
- The region of Oberndorf (originally a land of Oligarch) will go to Westmoor and Nivemus will give up any claim on the region of Oberndorf. Claim disputes will be settled this way for good and Westmoor can take care of the oppressed region and people.
- Kronogos Neji steps down and Nivemus will turn into a Democracy. This will be the lesson that you will get due to the civilian oppression you practice.
- Both realms can continue to have the Order of the White Tree as religion, but the main seat will be in the other realm. Also, any of the current Nivemus elders will be demoted and the new elders will sit in Oroya and consist out of nobles of the other realm.
- The Haradrim will completely migrate to Perdan and serve the family of Umbar again. Individuals can stay if they decide so. The Harad tribe elder is already here now and is granted asylum.
- Both realms will be in diplomatic Peace status to all realms and each other for a period of three months. An alliance between them is not possible for six months.
(further points may be added, especially if the longer Nivemus abstains from accepting these terms)
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He just want another puppet realm... as if have Westmoor is not enough ;)
I hope the people of Nivemus can see Erik under the spotlights once again. I intend to keep my records for more wounded and killed in battle and he will lead the Akodo Champions from Ryu... just 1.7K CS! Erik is eager to add "King of Kings" to his titles. Then, let's make it happen beating Jor and Atanamir ;)
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If Atanamir wanted a puppet, he would have issued the term to have Perdan nobles in the new council. ;)
And if Atanamir would make an outrageous offer, then Nivemus would be not on the map after war. ;)
Actualll it's a nostalgic offer. My really favourite point is the Democracy part. EC is nothing without a Democracy! :D
Oh and...
...to be a King of Kings, you need to be a King first, which is difficult in a Republic. ;D
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Hmm Democracy....i like it! ;D
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Is it just me, or are the terms vaguely familiar to those in Atamara...
Perhaps influenced by the Treaty of Hawthorne? ;D
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I hate democracies...
And Erik is already Sultan of Sultans... this is just honorific for someone who considers himself a God incarnated and because he considers himself the greatest warrior o East Continent... the conqueror (he likes to get drunk and wear turbans in his harems to mock the Sultanate).
But it's also a great way to pave the way! Erik isn't King just because Sirion is a Republic and he hates the title of "Prime Minister" (he also defeated Fontan, but no ones want to be "Minister of Ministers" or "Chancellor of Chancellors")... maybe Princeps. But he wouldn't be happy with anything less than Emperor. Things to think for the future after the war and for the Elven Empire ;)
Erik has to destroy Atanamir since Atanamir is his only deception. Many chances to do some good roleplays. And destroy Jor just for fun... he doesn't like the priest at all.
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Atanamir, no worry. We all have our own different versions of the event, dont we?
The victor shall write the true history verson, eh no? 8)
Thank you for your praise too, let get back IG :D
I remember Fontan is Democracy and it ended badly. Those who ran for election, tend to declare during their running, that they would attack Sirion certain region and grasp it from their Elves green claws. Looking back, Democracy system is not working properly as intended, in my humble opinion.
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Don't worry, Eduardo, when Sirion's beaten down one of the requirements for peace will be the banishment of your family and the dissolution of the Holy Sacred Grove.
Also, why is the religion's name so redundant?
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Don't worry, Eduardo, when Sirion's beaten down one of the requirements for peace will be the banishment of your family and the dissolution of the Holy Sacred Grove.
Also, why is the religion's name so redundant?
I don't like how HSG worships some goddess from the WoW universe...
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I want to see this day. Sirion don't negociate such terms. Never. Even against the entire continent. Never. And even if in a great day you can banish me, Ecthelion is much more difficult. Evens so, I can even quote an epic:
I don't deal with psychos. I put them away. You're a disease - and I'm the cure.
I love my beers in a Saturday.
About the religion in Sirion, nobody likes the old names. The old "Church". If you have some perception, I never said "Church of"... just "Sacred Grove"... it's a way to correct some very old problems. Also, Erik always had an impressive religious aspect. His aspect. My own perceptions of Sirion and religion in Sirion biased in his vision and in his work. I hade a LOT or good roleplays. Since Elune until the new Gods... it's always his own perception and I can say you... people in Sirion never was religious. I like to think we are warriors... we don't need religious wars. We don't need religious advantages. I hate WoW so much that when I did my RPs I had no notion that our religion had been inspired in this game ('cause I don't use this kind of inspiration). Again, and I'm drunk to repeat myself, Erik have his own religion and he said to his Council some hours ago: "I'm the religion".
I have been for a while. Now it's time to reap some heads. In wartime, Erik is no longer a Priest and he will march as always. I would love to see the same ... I will see Jor and Atanamir in some battle report?
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Atanamir, no worry. We all have our own different versions of the event, dont we?
The victor shall write the true history verson, eh no? 8)
Thank you for your praise too, let get back IG :D
I remember Fontan is Democracy and it ended badly. Those who ran for election, tend to declare during their running, that they would attack Sirion certain region and grasp it from their Elves green claws. Looking back, Democracy system is not working properly as intended, in my humble opinion.
Heh, I disagree, that sounds like a democracy working as intended. Democracy always boils down to populism. Whoever promises the majority the best goodies tends to win. And Fontan's nobles wanted war with Sirion quite often.
I wish there was a large enough realm (250+ people) that was a republic with different visible factions jockeying for power. Populists, Conservatives, Liberals(in the classical sense), Fascists, etc.
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Heh, I disagree, that sounds like a democracy working as intended. Democracy always boils down to populism. Whoever promises the majority the best goodies tends to win. And Fontan's nobles wanted war with Sirion quite often.
I wish there was a large enough realm (250+ people) that was a republic with different visible factions jockeying for power. Populists, Conservatives, Liberals(in the classical sense), Fascists, etc.
Popular but the same mistake of attacking the same region again.
If keep hitting our head on same spot, that mean we never learn to go around the wall :D
Finally Perdan declared war against Nivemus 8)
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I think the democracy in Fontan went extremely well. It was the greatest time (perhaps besides Taselak) I ever had to be a semi-political figure in Fontan. I say semi because my char there was a crazy warior first and foremost. Every government system has it's issues, but that's why as players you get to choose which one you like. (At least if you get enough people to support your plans)
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Oh God, Fontan... Endless discussions going nowhere, that was your idea of efficient governing? :p When you make everyone's opinion matter, you make them think their opinion matters most. Fontan was powerful when it had a clan (or multies, depending on who you ask) running the most efficient army on the island. Once the Lions were disbanded, Fontan went downhill fast and hard.
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Oh God, Fontan... Endless discussions going nowhere, that was your idea of efficient governing? :p
Nothing like going bed and waking up with 150+ new messages, i miss these days! ;D
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Now now Sacha come on, I never said effecient... And at a certain point I was part of the Lions as well which was uber organized that's true. But still there was a lot of politicking which was pretty fun + the soooooo many letters about... well jeah k nothing.
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Fontan want war with Sirion?
No we never wanted that... We wanted to Destory Sirion, wanted to slaughter the realm, destory the Elves, Kill Doc... Sadly since we were like Greeks we fought eachother and argued more than we ever actually accomplished anything. Ooo I hated the Fountain of Light
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Fontan want war with Sirion?
No we never wanted that... We wanted to Destory Sirion, wanted to slaughter the realm, destory the Elves, Kill Doc... Sadly since we were like Greeks we fought eachother and argued more than we ever actually accomplished anything. Ooo I hated the Fountain of Light
Ummmm, actually, if I remember correctly, Fontan was forced into war by Tom lightning bolts that forced them out of peace. I could be wrong though.
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You are partially correct.
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You are partially correct.
What's the other part?
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There was some form of OOC collusion among the leaders of several realms on EC to maintain the peace which followed after the end of the Great War at the end of '06. I don't know the details. However, it ended when Tom started reducing the food productionon the island, hoping to spark some wars. That didn't work. So Tom bolted at least five rulers on EC, including: Fontan, Sirion, Ibladesh (maybe?), Yssaria and I think OR and maybe one more? We had plenty of warning, which is why Perdan was already at war when the deadline came. Those realms that ignored the warning paid the price.
Anyway, the flurry of bolts is what sparked Fontan breaking the federation with Sirion/OR, in the war that eventually ended with the death of OR, and the formation (and death) of the Sultanate, and the birth of Westmoor, and eventually Nivemus. (It was a long war...)
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There was some form of OOC collusion among the leaders of several realms on EC to maintain the peace which followed after the end of the Great War at the end of '06. I don't know the details. However, it ended when Tom started reducing the food productionon the island, hoping to spark some wars. That didn't work. So Tom bolted at least five rulers on EC, including: Fontan, Sirion, Ibladesh (maybe?), Yssaria and I think OR and maybe one more? We had plenty of warning, which is why Perdan was already at war when the deadline came. Those realms that ignored the warning paid the price.
Anyway, the flurry of bolts is what sparked Fontan breaking the federation with Sirion/OR, in the war that eventually ended with the death of OR, and the formation (and death) of the Sultanate, and the birth of Westmoor, and eventually Nivemus. (It was a long war...)
Okay, yeah, I knew that. I just didn't say all of that. :P
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Unfortunately the geography of the East Continent has a lot to do with why powerblocs are built up and war is either rare or undending. The narrowness, small amount of regions, geographical chokeholds, etc.
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Unfortunately the geography of the East Continent has a lot to do with why powerblocs are built up and war is either rare or undending. The narrowness, small amount of regions, geographical chokeholds, etc.
Only sirion really has that pure advantage... IMO...
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Only sirion really has that pure advantage... IMO...
Perdan has the same advantage against the north just not as ridiculous as Avamar.
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There's also OI's huge defensive advantage. Making any progress fighting along that island chain if it's heavily defended is hellish because of the long travel times. Although it works both ways by also making it harder for the Islanders to fight campaigns onto the mainland that might change assuming sea travel makes it to the EC.
OI transforming into a realm of feared coastal reavers would be quite a funny development.
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OI transforming into a realm of feared coastal reavers would be quite a funny development.
I hear the injuries get awful for any 'reavers' who try to land in a region with even a little bit of militia. It's a high risk, high reward endeavor for sure... They may need help to be good at it.
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The. Problem is that the islands are so poor, that they would still be easily wiped out by another realm that they pissed off. (Well, anyone other than Nivemus, who also has poor regions.) They would also have only three targets: Perdan, Westmoor, and Nivemus.
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The. Problem is that the islands are so poor, that they would still be easily wiped out by another realm that they pissed off. (Well, anyone other than Nivemus, who also has poor regions.) They would also have only three targets: Perdan, Westmoor, and Nivemus.
Nivemus also has really good RC's though... We had 19K ready for Perdan when they arrived.
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Oh God, Fontan... Endless discussions going nowhere, that was your idea of efficient governing? :p
Since when did efficient government matter? Fontan was a realm where politics mattered and every noble had a chance of weaving their story into the national epic, something sadly lacking in many other realms.
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Fontan was a realm where politics mattered and every noble had a chance of weaving their story into the national epic, something sadly lacking in many other realms.
Something very similar to this atmosphere exists in Kindara in the Far East, although it's a monarchy rather than a democracy. The Great Debate Hall where anything can be discussed by anyone from rank-and-file to government members. Referendums to find out the will of the broad nobility. And yet it has never yet got bogged down in endless discussion in the way Fontan seemed to from the outsider's perspective - maybe because Kindara is a monarchly. The opportunities for every player to play a significant part in the life of the realm are probably the best I've experienced in any realm. So much work having been put into creating all that, it's a shame that we don't have anything like enough talkative characters who take the opportunies that are open to them. :(
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Since when did efficient government matter? Fontan was a realm where politics mattered and every noble had a chance of weaving their story into the national epic, something sadly lacking in many other realms.
My experience of Fontan was of a realm where if you weren't friends with the elites in power—or otherwise agreeing with their vision of things—you were marginalized and told to shut up.
Thus, even though my character was able to get elected General by the general populace of nobility, because the Marshals (who were mostly put in place by their friends higher up in power) wouldn't follow his orders (orders which conflicted with the currently accepted wisdom in the realm at the time, which included things like, "The best way to defeat Sirion is by destroying our armies against their heavily-defended townslands again and again! Surely this will work!"), he was forced to resign in disgust.
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My experience of Fontan was of a realm where if you weren't friends with the elites in power—or otherwise agreeing with their vision of things—you were marginalized and told to shut up.
I always looked on that as positive feedback ;)
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Something very similar to this atmosphere exists in Kindara in the Far East, although it's a monarchy rather than a democracy. The Great Debate Hall where anything can be discussed by anyone from rank-and-file to government members. Referendums to find out the will of the broad nobility. And yet it has never yet got bogged down in endless discussion in the way Fontan seemed to from the outsider's perspective - maybe because Kindara is a monarchly. The opportunities for every player to play a significant part in the life of the realm are probably the best I've experienced in any realm. So much work having been put into creating all that, it's a shame that we don't have anything like enough talkative characters who take the opportunies that are open to them. :(
Agreed. Though my characters are also much less talkative these days so I can't really complain.
In Fontan the majority of intelligent discussion took place in the Assembly, which was a council open to all families with more than 30 days in the realm. That was where new laws and diplomatic stance were decided. The Assembly moved fairly slowly most of the time, especially on contentious issues, but where there was general agreement it could reach its decision within a turn or two.
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Something very similar to this atmosphere exists in Kindara in the Far East, although it's a monarchy rather than a democracy. The Great Debate Hall where anything can be discussed by anyone from rank-and-file to government members. Referendums to find out the will of the broad nobility. And yet it has never yet got bogged down in endless discussion in the way Fontan seemed to from the outsider's perspective - maybe because Kindara is a monarchly. The opportunities for every player to play a significant part in the life of the realm are probably the best I've experienced in any realm. So much work having been put into creating all that, it's a shame that we don't have anything like enough talkative characters who take the opportunies that are open to them. :(
The problem with the Hall is that it's also used to ostracise people that the Ruler doesn't like. Malos, as you well know, publicly protested at the appointment of a new noble to Osaliel's lordship, and because Malos was vehement ("disrespectful") about it, as that side of the Nebehns can be, he was "suspended" (read: Removed with no chance of being let back in). But that's the Neill family and De Vere family for you.
But anyway, this is off topic and would better be an FEI topic. Back to predictions. Like what's going on with Caligus and that.
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The problem with the Hall is that it's also used to ostracise people that the Ruler doesn't like.
A ruler being exclusive and ostracizing people they don't like? That's positively medieval! Say it ain't so!
Come on, that's pretty run-of-the-mill discrimination practiced in pretty much every realm in the game. Hardly something worthy of being called out as a black mark for the realm.
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I thought the plan was to agree until you reached the top then slowly topple a empire. Wait why are we speaking of a dead realm? Baldor was glad to have left those greeks in Fontan to bicker and destroy themselves.
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The. Problem is that the islands are so poor, that they would still be easily wiped out by another realm that they pissed off. (Well, anyone other than Nivemus, who also has poor regions.) They would also have only three targets: Perdan, Westmoor, and Nivemus.
Now if we combine 2 out of the 3 targets, voila! We have a strong rich good realm, right? ;)
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Aww man... Was hoping the secession would escalate into all out war between Armonia and Eponllyn, for hegemony over the south, with the nearby heavyweights stepping in for either side 8)
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That wouldn't have been much of a war. Armmonia would have crushed Eponllyn. Also, Lance's actions did quite a bit of damage to his religion's reputation in the south.
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*in Eponllyn, which is a Flowist and CoI remnant stronghold
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There is no CoI remnant left, anywhere. That religion is dead. Lance's ridiculous "They're starting up COI again!" hysteria is laughable.
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Starting up? No. Harboring those who ICly cling to those false gods? Absolutely.
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Apparently Dobby isn't too happy with Lance according to Autrey.
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Zaki, is it just me or do a lot of Autrey's messages to the rulers only feel like half of a conversation?
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That wouldn't have been much of a war. Armmonia would have crushed Eponllyn. Also, Lance's actions did quite a bit of damage to his religion's reputation in the south.
In a 1 on 1, sure. But if Caligus stepped in for Eponllyn, and Perdan sent a force for supporting Armonia every now and then... Perhaps if Perdan hadn't been involved north, Armonia wouldn't have backed down so soon.
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Zaki, is it just me or do a lot of Autrey's messages to the rulers only feel like half of a conversation?
Tanos, I am betting my hairy arse she is hiding a lot of information. Can't really tell what is going on from her letters. :-\
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She's paranoid as hell. In a few different incidents since I joined Eponllyn she's gone full rage-on at Eponnlyn for pretty much no reason. It's pretty clear she intends to reunite the south under her banner.
As an aside, I bet Lance was the one leaking messages from the Eponllyn council. Probably through his church? He seems to be very religion-driven, so it wouldn't surprise me.
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She's paranoid as hell. In a few different incidents since I joined Eponllyn she's gone full rage-on at Eponnlyn for pretty much no reason. It's pretty clear she intends to reunite the south under her banner.
As an aside, I bet Lance was the one leaking messages from the Eponllyn council. Probably through his church? He seems to be very religion-driven, so it wouldn't surprise me.
Probably. Well I don't know why Autrey revealed her cards so early for no apparent gain but maybe she knows something I do not know.
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Jumped the gun? Too eager? Her foaming at the mouth attack, though, is pretty indicative of either an irrational person, or someone trying to talk so loud that people don't realize that it's complete fabrication and that she knows it.
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I wonder why the change of heart, i was enjoying my trips to the north. :-\
I have Elves to Crush! >:(
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So... any guesses as to how long til Al Arab secedes from Armonia, with the new realm immediately being recognized as an independent realm and allied with Perdan, Westmoor, and Armonia?
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If I am not mistaken, there should be a cool down time before he can secede/change allegiance again.
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I have Elves to Crush!
I remember the good old days from the last war. Now my Legion is just there, waiting. We are not helping Sirion or Nivemus. Also, I'm not hurting Westmoor. Just one thing is certain: if Nivemus lose, I will love to destroy a new colony, maybe a part of Westmoor, but mainly OI. One day Erik will march there burning everything. Sweet promises :)
The big elf is waiting for Tanya, since Queen Autrey offered her to the dragon ;)
Also, Erik is ready to accept the loyalty of some desperate duchies of Nivemus.
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I remember the good old days from the last war. Now my Legion is just there, waiting. We are not helping Sirion or Nivemus. Also, I'm not hurting Westmoor. Just one thing is certain: if Nivemus lose, I will love to destroy a new colony, maybe a part of Westmoor, but mainly OI. One day Erik will march there burning everything. Sweet promises :)
The big elf is waiting for Tanya, since Queen Autrey offered her to the dragon ;)
Also, Erik is ready to accept the loyalty of some desperate duchies of Nivemus.
Once this war ends, I will retire. Maybe you can take over and do that ;)
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I remember the good old days from the last war. Now my Legion is just there, waiting. We are not helping Sirion or Nivemus. Also, I'm not hurting Westmoor. Just one thing is certain: if Nivemus lose, I will love to destroy a new colony, maybe a part of Westmoor, but mainly OI. One day Erik will march there burning everything. Sweet promises :)
The big elf is waiting for Tanya, since Queen Autrey offered her to the dragon ;)
Also, Erik is ready to accept the loyalty of some desperate duchies of Nivemus.
Psh, just because the war hasn't gone our way for a couple of weeks doesn't mean your fantasies will become a reality. ;)
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Psh, just because the war hasn't gone our way for a couple of weeks doesn't mean your fantasies will become a reality. ;)
Ceasefire while we all sack Avamar?
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The problem with the Hall is that it's also used to ostracise people that the Ruler doesn't like. Malos, as you well know, publicly protested at the appointment of a new noble to Osaliel's lordship, and because Malos was vehement ("disrespectful") about it, as that side of the Nebehns can be, he was "suspended" (read: Removed with no chance of being let back in). But that's the Neill family and De Vere family for you.
Please keep your random attacks on me to threads where its relevant, or at the very least to threads where I'm actually involved in the discussion.
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Ceasefire while we all sack Avamar?
There's the difference... I'm talking about my Legion and you are talkin about "you all". 8)
Once this war ends, I will retire. Maybe you can take over and do that ;)
Yeah. Now we can be ruler also being duke and margrave. This is a good way to rule. But Erik is too much aggressive to be ruler, I think.
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Please keep your random attacks on me to threads where its relevant, or at the very least to threads where I'm actually involved in the discussion.
Or else what?
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Does there really need to be a threat? Can you not just act like a normal human being and respect when someone politely asks you not to make random, unprovoked attacks on them in unrelated threads?
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The problem with Eponllyn is the desire to do anything and sleepiness. If it wasn't for Lance, it would be as silent as the grave. Yeah, and Armonía can crush them at any time.
EDIT: But its slowly trying to roll up, thats a good news.
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Starting up? No. Harboring those who ICly cling to those false gods? Absolutely.
Actually there are way more ex-CoIers in Armonia than there are in Eponllyn.
Back in the day when Siana was planning to secede, even Autrey threw a fit because she didn't want Siana to destroy CoI.
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Lance wasn't exactly the savior. The only time he ever spoke up was when he started in with "The Church of Humanity wants to know if we want to ally with them."
War is great, and the whole point of the game. But it needs to have a reason. Lance didn't have a reason for wanting to start one.