The Current War

[Perth]

I agree. Unfortunately, there really is no way to end this war at least for Coria and Hammarsett unless one of us is destroyed. That's just simply the way "Hatred" works. (Blame Laszlo for that one).

Since neither alliance wants their "ally" to be the one destroyed the war continues. It doesn't help that its a virtual stalemate either.

Another problem is, I don't think anyone can see any way that the diplomacy on Atamara can evolve well for whichever realm chooses to change the situation up first. Neither side can see the other alliance breaking up, so this war is pretty much just a mexican standoff where everyone is waiting for the other person to make the first devastating move. It is sad because my character has a lot of plans which he can't implement until after Coria is done fighting Hammarsett. His plans most likely will make a change on the way things are run in the current alliance set ups, but his hands are tied. It is 100% impossible to gain IC political support for anything which changes Coria's mission away from Hammarsett due to the Hatred war that is being fought.

Even still, lets say someone is destroyed. Does the war stop there? If it does, what does everyone even do next? You can't attack CE, because they have the best military on the continent. If you attack one of their allies, they'll gladly join in just to keep their realm members occupied. Perhaps the northern alliance fractions once again after the war and goes back to its petty squabbles, but that isn't that interesting on the whole either. CE's alliance will still be looking for some conflict to stick its head into, but CE also can't be defeated so long as all of its current allies stand by its side. CE/Tara/Talerium/Coria/Strombran have enough military strength and prowess to hold off every other realm on the continent and have done so successfully since the beginning of the war (when it actually was everyone against us). So this alliance causes stagnation because no one can fight them successfully, and even if all ally against them they can force a stalemate at the minimum.

Meanwhile, no one in the CE bloc wants to split up from it (at least not during war time) because it provides the strongest possible defense for your realm. Its a "winning" side that won't be defeated. So either CE needs some internal conflict that forces succession scale events, or CE needs to fight Tara to split this entire thing up. Shoot, it may be interesting if with the new estate system, CE just tried to become the next Abington on their own, slowly but surely.

You're absolutely right.

All of it is kind of awkward really. It's like this huge continent-wide war where it's all or nothing. It's like nothing can happen until one side is completely broken.

[Zadar]

Yes,this war has last for a long time and it sure is time to move forward. Let's burn Hammarsett and then continue to MI.   We have to teach them a lesson and now we have to do that the hard way. Darka did start this and now their allies will pay. Perhaps they can share their cookies to comfort their beaten allies :).

It is sad that we have to destroy Hammars  but they did choose the wrong side even we did created them. What should we do to Eston?

[Perth]

What should we do to Eston?

What did we ever do!  :(

[GoldPanda]

Kerwin probably shouldn't have gloated about destroying CE.  ;)

[Geronus]

You obviously don't know anything about the history between Coria and Eston. Coria stuck its neck out to support Eston in the past, more than the Northern Alliance has in this war.

Also, I'm curious as you didn't name any of Coria's rulers as having reason for your completely screwing over Corian/Hammarsett relations.

Like, I can understand why you are fighting CE, because most of your neighbors hate them, but why you chose to betray your Corian friend who helped found your realm I don't understand at all. Without us, you were nothing. Now we have to destroy your realm because of your actions.

Laszlo doesn't know much of anything, nor has he ever gone out of his way to rectify that (nor will he in all likelihood). That's how he can manage to be so sincerely prejudiced.

As for why we turned on Coria, you'd actually need to ask Regulus about that; by the time Laszlo took the throne we'd already fought round one and relations between our realms were fairly sour. Laszlo simply continued the previous regime's policy of political hostility, which isn't to say that he wasn't sincere about it; he very much was. But it was less personal than it was based on his overarching desire to see the Cagilan Empire lose some of its influence, and whatever your opinion on the matter is, Laszlo did and still sincerely does believe that Coria is little more than an unrepentant stooge of the Empire. Thus he never had anything personal against Saeculo, though don't doubt for a minute that Laszlo didn't like him.

In any case, I can hardly blame Saeculo for the poor relations between our realms during Laszlo's reign; Laszlo was far too biased. Saeculo would have had to do and say any number of things that he was probably both politically and constitutionally incapable of doing and saying in order to actually make a good impression on Laszlo. I just don't think that was going to happen.

[Ketchum]

Huge Battle Fought   (11 days, 11 hours ago)
Rumours spread and tales are sung about a huge battle in Tarkhog:
Suville vs. Carelia
Estimated strengths: 540 men vs. 560 men
The Hammers of Carelia (Carelia), sponsored by Karandras Ulthran, Judge of Carelia, Duchess of Sullenport, Duchess of Sullenport, were led into battle by Vice-Marshal Reginal Enstance.
The Army of Narville (Suville), sponsored by Caibre Eldrake, King of Suville, were led into battle by Marshal Proximus Centauri.
Sir Jareth La Pointe (Knight of Sudfern) is spotted wielding the Emerald-Studded Sword of Unlife.
Ranulf Flambard, Count of Glassinn is spotted wielding the Bloody Broadsword of Suville.
Sir Reginal Enstance (Lord) is spotted wearing the Faries' Hat.
Adonis Zurralius, Quartermaster of Suville, Duke of Narville, Duke of Narville is spotted wielding the Glowing Dagger of Flame.
Talius Sargeras Valorian (Lord of Carelia) was captured by Joscelin de Courtenay's unit.
Jimanela de Aquitane (Noble of Carelia) was captured by Jareth La Pointe's unit.

Attacker Victory!

Nice battle. Wondering why they both fighting over what exactly ???

[de Aquitane]

Nice battle. Wondering why they both fighting over what exactly ???

Land.

[Zadar]

Vultures are trying to benefit from weaker opponets. Suville is one big greedy bird.

[Penchant]

Land.

To be more specific they need food so they are taking Carelian land to provide more. <-That is Suville's reason they say they are attacking Carelia.

[Darksun]

To be more specific they need food so they are taking Carelian land to provide more. <-That is Suville's reason they say they are attacking Carelia.

That's the official reason, correct.

[Dante Silverfire]

That's the official reason, correct.

Unofficial reason: Abington 2.0

[Indirik]

Actually, this would be Abington 3.0.

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Better than Tuchanon XIVXXC...

[Darksun]

Actually, this would be Abington 3.0.

That would require a ruler who isn't asleep at the wheel.

[Dante Silverfire]

That would require a ruler who isn't asleep at the wheel.

Not really...I mean just look at CE. You think it is their ruler who is winning their wars? Good Generals make empires. Bad Generals make Tara.

;) lol