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BattleMaster => Locals => Beluaterra => Topic started by: Lorgan on September 08, 2014, 02:51:12 PM
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So yeah, trying to keep this as neutral as possible since things did get a little out of hand in the last thread. But we're not children so theoretically at least we should be capable of discussing this war without getting emotional over it.
Just a small update: Spearhold has ended their involvement on the coalition's side and declared war on Melhed to punish them for their betrayal. Meanwhile, Melhed's countryside has been plundered and the allied army beaten by the joint force of Thalmarkin and Ar Agyr in the battle of Trottie.
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I don't get Spearhold's attitude.
They wanted war against Thalmarkin, stalled the most they can, now they want to pause the war to fight Melhed and help Thalmarkin, so they can fight Thalmarkin again.
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Well, that's either because of politics or honor. Neither of those topics are polite topics for public discussion.
We should, therefore, discuss them both. At length. ;)
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What's even stranger is that they've already agreed to the King of Kings thing but opposed us anyway. Because why would Thalmarkin be the realm to lead the others if we can't beat them in war? All in all, very good fun.
What I think they're doing is taking on the role of England, trying to keep the balance in the "continental" wars. While at the same time playing white knights bursting with chivalry who ride out against the biggest injustice of the moment.
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This mission just got a lot more complicated.
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Perhaps Spearhold has figured out what works for realms in Battlemaster: war. Reading the declaration of their ruler, it made me think "okay, this man just wants war". He explicitly said that when the war with Melhed & the South would be over, he would continue his conflict with Thalmarkin.
That is brilliant.
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Well it would be the same if he continued the war on Thalmarkin, gathering land to arrive at Melhed and then fight them.
Or just fight two wars.
I think it would be more interesting if they kept both wars going.
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They weren't really fighting OG anyway. Besides, they don't have the nobles to grow.
Continuing both wars would've led to some pretty interesting stuff happening on the battlefields indeed. :)
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Spearhold has ruined my whole week -_-
On the plus side, our judge torturing Fingolfin's brother cheered me up - after all, at this point, it's not like torturing him could possibly make our situation worse :p
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If you look back a bit, you will see that it was you who ruined your whole career and drag Melhed with you :P
Time will show how much Spearhold's actions will effect.
-Jaune
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A bad day for the Marlboro family.
Syl Marlboro, Dame of Unger was captured by Fenris Magdalen's unit.
Red Marlboro, General of Thalmarkin, Margrave of Vatrona was captured by Rolf Carmel's unit.
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A bad day for the Marlboro family.
Lol indeed! :) An even worse day for the Nothoian army though. What on the beforehand look like an even battle turned into a massive overkill.
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Lol indeed! :) An even worse day for the Nothoian army though. What on the beforehand look like an even battle turned into a massive overkill.
Yep, those marshal settings killed us.
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A bad day for the Marlboro family.
Haha right!?
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A worse day for Melhed has begun. :p
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Seconded. A Thalmarkinian army in Qual, a Spearholdian army in Jyl and an Agyrian army running a takeover in Trottie.
This is a very bad week for Melhed.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7edeOEuXdMU
Pretty much how the Generals' chat between Thalmarkin, AA and Spearhold was leading up to this.
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Well I'd say things have just picked up for Melhed ;)
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Dammit Stabbity! You should've watched the film till the end! Evil laughs don't pay off.
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Well I'd say things have just picked up for Melhed ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M67E9mpwBpM
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The one turn where I don't have 100% response to my orders just had to be right into the enemy. Oh well. We'll be back.
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The one turn where I don't have 100% response to my orders just had to be right into the enemy. Oh well. We'll be back.
Well it looked like your army 100% marched to Lloringel. So you can take comfort in the fact that at least they're all moving as one body :p
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They were supposed to delay another turn :p Oh well. We did have really good movement the whole time though, I was impressed.
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You can't delay again if you're only an hour away from your destination.
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That poor, poor 120 horses cavalry unit....... what a waste.
1 attackers (120 Cav)
24 defenders (1025 Inf, 122 MI, 505 Arch, 98 Cav, 190 SF)
Total combat strengths: 1648 vs. 21857
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That poor, poor 120 horses cavalry unit....... what a waste.
Woah that's sad
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You can't delay again if you're only an hour away from your destination.
I was able to.
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Well Immanuel's week got a lot worse. He was captured by OG in a battle Melhed won, lost all his positions, has his gold stolen in prison and has just been released to find a four nation army camped outside his capital :(
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It's sure been a while since I've seen opposing armies this big gathered on BT. :)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_qShAZg2Zw
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What an onslaught that was...
I for one blame the bright colours Ricard was wearing into battle. The man absorbed 3/4 (8k/12k) of all the hits we dealt out the first turn with his 29 men unit. The other quarter was absorbed by his flamboyant buddy Finan with his 37 men unit.
Not that we'd have otherwise won but holy crap what was THAT.
I did have fun though, some nice little taunting etc. :)
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Big day on BT!
Huge Battle Fought (13 hours, 54 minutes ago)
Rumours spread and tales are sung about a huge battle in Fronepu:
Spearhold, Thalmarkin vs. Melhed
Estimated strengths: 1200 men vs. 440 men
Attacker Victory!
Huge Battle Fought (2 hours, 6 minutes ago)
Rumours spread and tales are sung about a huge battle in Vozzessdor:
Fronen, Nothoi vs. Old Grehk
Estimated strengths: 1140 men vs. 380 men
Attacker Victory!
Huge Battle Fought (2 hours, 6 minutes ago)
Rumours spread and tales are sung about a huge battle in Seven Rivers:
Ar Agyr vs. Melhed
Estimated strengths: 600 men vs. 390 men
Defender Victory!
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Or, to put it another way:
The capital of Melhed (a southern realm) is under occupation by the northern alliance.
The largest city of Old Grehk (a northern realm) is under occupation by the southern alliance.
Melhed (a southern realm) and Ar Agyr (a northern realm), however, both decided to do their own thing by not joining up with either combined allied army and instead wiped each other out in a medium sized battle.
Make sense to you? Nope, me neither :p
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Feel free to not answer this if it's supposed to be a secret, but did you mean to fight Ar Agyr?
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We did mean to, yes. Figured it would be better than letting them join up with Thalmarkin in Fronepu.
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Well this has been a *very* dicey week.
It started out with Melhed's forces scattered and crushed, trying to rally in Mhed while Thalmarkin and Spearhold occupied their capital while Riombara, Nothoi and Fronen occupied Vozzessdor in Old Grehk.
It then progressed with Riombaran reinforcements being beaten in a battle by Thalmarkin while Melhed's capital continue under occupation with a takeover running.
But it's ended with Thalmarkin abandoning Melhed's capital, allowing them to reoccupy it, Spearhold being beaten by Riombara in a battle and Vozzessdor still under occupation with a takeover running.
What looked like the end of Melhed and a disastrous week for the southern alliance now looks like a fairly positive week :)
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Spearhold's intervention in this war is only on paper, and even there they are doing what they can to avoid choosing sides. But as long as they are not actively fighting the north I suppose we should be pleased...
As for the TOs, there were a bit different opinions of how to progress, but some times you have to go with the lesser evil.
And speaking of which, it seems the summoning is now officially a part of accepted military strategy. It took 2 (?) years or something, but it was kinda bound to happen! :)
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Spearhold's intervention is on far more than paper. They keep marching into Melhed and laying waste to regions. They helped Thalmarkin storm Fronepu - they are clearly fighting on your side even if they're not formally allied.
But yup, summoning is now part of warfare - the lesson I'm learning though is that you need a Thalmarkin-style Grand Wizard to hold them all and who has plenty of hours per turn in order to make the best use of them.
Still, 5000 CS of undead in Bil Havil isn't bad going ;)
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Not to mention destroying an SF recruitment center in Jyl.
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Not to mention destroying an SF recruitment center in Jyl.
That too - that was really irritating :p
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There actually was a summoning? My char Sassan did not notice....though he _would_ be.....quite....interested in hearing about such happenings....so if someone were to tell him....
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There actually was a summoning? My char Sassan did not notice....though he _would_ be.....quite....interested in hearing about such happenings....so if someone were to tell him....
Sometimes, it's because you're interested that you're not told.
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Sometimes, it's because you're interested that you're not told.
Hehe. Well, there was that huge battle report... :)
Anyway, another big huge battle ahead!
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There actually was a summoning? My char Sassan did not notice....though he _would_ be.....quite....interested in hearing about such happenings....so if someone were to tell him....
Sometimes, it's because you're interested that you're not told.
:-X
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With another summoning...this will be interesting
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Damn these wounds! I always miss the aftermath >:(
But well, good battle with interesting formations :)
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What looked like the end of Melhed and a disastrous week for the southern alliance now looks like a fairly positive week :)
How's it looking now? ;)
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Monsters are suddenly spawning all over Caelum. I hear similar reports on Dwi, though I suspect that is unrelated.
Unless the monster spawn codes changed, maybe the scrolls' effects are leeching beyond the borders in which they are used?
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Was the code with punishment of peaceful realms abandoned?
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Was the code with punishment of peaceful realms abandoned?
Yes, thank god.
I remember back in the days, when I founded IVF, I wanted to go to war. Heck, we WERE at war, and we did attack other realms. But we were also constantly plagued with rogues, and that anti-peace code was kicking us in the teeth, because our realm was too small and our battles did not count.
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It seems to go in cycles.
Also, we received those other regions from Spearhold. That increases the number of regions we get reports about. Probably by 25-30%.
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It seems to go in cycles.
Also, we received those other regions from Spearhold. That increases the number of regions we get reports about. Probably by 25-30%.
This latest round of spawnings is not in these border regions, though, but all around the capital.
Plus, if scrolls are supposed to be able to bring new invasions, one would think it likely that their effects not be quite as localized as they are suggested to be.
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The summoning was by Immanuel Octavius - he's mentioned it in letters to the Sovereign Commonwealth.
It basically raised 6,000 CS of undead in Bil Havil who were then wiped out by Ar Agyr a few days later in a pitched battle.
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The summoning was by Immanuel Octavius - he's mentioned it in letters to the Sovereign Commonwealth.
It basically raised 6,000 CS of undead in Bil Havil who were then wiped out by Ar Agyr a few days later in a pitched battle.
How many scrolls for 6000 cs?
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I think 7 - I didn't really count.
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So do you guys have like one master spellcaster, and one master scroll hoarder? It would seem risky to send someone with too many scrolls into enemy lands... he could get captured.
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We don't have one. On this particular occasion Immanuel was the best placed person to do it so he was given lots of scrolls. We don't have a Thalmarkin style Grand Wizard though.
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The summoning was by Immanuel Octavius - he's mentioned it in letters to the Sovereign Commonwealth.
It basically raised 6,000 CS of undead in Bil Havil who were then wiped out by Ar Agyr a few days later in a pitched battle.
There actually was a summoning? My char Sassan did not notice....though he _would_ be.....quite....interested in hearing about such happenings....so if someone were to tell him....
So surely you would know!
We don't have one. On this particular occasion Immanuel was the best placed person to do it so he was given lots of scrolls. We don't have a Thalmarkin style Grand Wizard though.
Its been quite some time since we had anything like that going on. Our last Grand Wizard deleted his char with the scrolls on him...
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Its been quite some time since we had anything like that going on. Our last Grand Wizard deleted his char with the scrolls on him...
Possessing too much magic can turn one... INTO A TROLL!
That's hilarious. It really sucks, but it's still funny.
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Afaik, he first wasted the majority of the scrolls on unsanctioned (though some were actually sanctioned by the general behind the ruler's back) minor goals but the remainder was lost, yes.
All in all, it was an experiment in trust that ended badly and I've not been willing to relinquish control of magic since, despite not at all spending enough time on it myself. My obsession with non-summoning scrolls doesn't make it any easier. :)
And then I didn't even mention the heavy opposition that rises at every whisper of magical organization. It usually results in a strong-worded discussion between equally stubborn sides. And ends there.
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It would seem risky to send someone with too many scrolls into enemy lands... he could get captured.
AFAIK - Scrolls can't be stolen. You can't even tell if someone has any.
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AFAIK - Scrolls can't be stolen. You can't even tell if someone has any.
Which i think should be changed. Judge could take what ever stuff prisoner is carrying, cost of honor ofcourse(scrolls, uniques, gold).
-Jaune
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AFAIK - Scrolls can't be stolen. You can't even tell if someone has any.
Really? Judges can't take them as they can unique items? That doesn't look right.
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Maybe someone who plays a judge can report that they have seen any scrolls, and been able to take them. I could be wrong.
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What, so we can catch them for hacking and cheating? ;)
I can verify that there is not a single mention of scrolls in all the dungeon code.
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The heroine Elicia Windblack, Doge of Fronen, Royal of Fronen was killed by a militia unit of Old Grehk.
The 2nd ruler to bite the dust in this war.
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That is why all rulers should be heroes, it was surely sad to see my oldest charry die but that is the risk of heroes. And the death of a ruler on the battlefield is truly awesome.
I just hope that Fronen can keep up with this war, Elicia was the binding force and selflessly devoted herself to the welfare of the realm. No wonder even when I didn't want to put her name in the ruler elections due to rl (inactivity) reasons, multiple realm mates requested me to keep leading the realm.
EDIT: And the death of Elicia put the Windblacks at 12th place of most famous families of BattleMasterra :D
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That is why all rulers should be heroes, it was surely sad to see my oldest charry die but that is the risk of heroes. And the death of a ruler on the battlefield is truly awesome.
I agree, a ruler hero makes everything more interesting. And it helps to keep interest alive. Who wants to be part of a realm that has a permanent ruler? Unless the player decides to retire his char, he can sit in his capital and rule away (mainly in monarchies, tyrannies and theocracies).
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Who wants to be part of a realm that has a permanent ruler? Unless the player decides to retire his char, he can sit in his capital and rule away (mainly in monarchies, tyrannies and theocracies).
If you take a look older realms at Atamara or East Continent, many people want to be part of the realm which have permanent ruler... and then again, there aint too many "permanent" rulers. Rulers get wounded, captured, protested...
But i agree on the point itself. I have all my chars as heroes.
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EDIT: And the death of Elicia put the Windblacks at 12th place of most famous families of BattleMasterra :D
Congrats. :)
You know you play too much on Beluaterra when:
BattleMasterra :D
I agree, a ruler hero makes everything more interesting. And it helps to keep interest alive. Who wants to be part of a realm that has a permanent ruler? Unless the player decides to retire his char, he can sit in his capital and rule away (mainly in monarchies, tyrannies and theocracies).
I agree, turnover is good. However making a ruler hero isn't a guarantee that he'll also make things interesting while an immortal interesting ruler relieves us of the need for turnover. As a rule of thumb, any ruler who allows stagnation to befall his realm should simply make room for someone else by stepping down in stead of relying on an untrustworthy heroic death. It's always interesting to have a royal relic in your realm as counterweight to the current ruler imo. :)
That said, there's nothing more epic than a ruler dying a heroic death. :)
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Indeed. The problem with imposing mortality upon anyone, however that is done, is that you can't force them to actually take any risks to benefit from this potential death.
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Besides, no one concept fulfils everyone's need or concept of fun. If we had massive turn over of all rulers every where no doubt the forum threads would simply reflect the status quo and people would complain about the lack of stability, long range vision whatever. We have multiple realms and islands to promote diversity. Any blanket rule of "everyone should play this way" ignores this fact. Find realms that suit you, work to attract like minded players and enjoy the systems you favour.
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And the death of Elicia put the Windblacks at 12th place of most famous families of BattleMasterra :D
Congrats on that Cren :)
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Lucky bastard!
I have had 4 heroes for over a year yet I haven't gotten any of them killed!
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Lucky bastard!
I have had 4 heroes for over a year yet I haven't gotten any of them killed!
Aha! The hero's curse strikes again! Don't you know you can't want your hero to die if you want him to die?
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Aha! The hero's curse strikes again! Don't you know you can't want your hero to die if you want him to die?
Hero's curse: heroes always die at the most inopportune time, and never when you want them to.
My very first rulership was with my hero, through a rebellion. He got killed in a random battle with rogues a month later. I haven't played a hero since. :/
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The last words (actually last letter to the realm :P) contained "Good luck to all of us!". Probably she (not me) knew that she was going to die.
Congrats on that Cren :)
Thanks Miriam!
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And there goes number 3!
Foreign Leave (2 hours, 30 minutes ago)
Sir Kalte Lanze, Diadochi of Nothoi, Royal of Nothoi was killed during a battle in Kell.
If the north doesnt win in any other way, we may manage by depopulating the south! :p
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If i would be southern ruler i would be scared :P
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Following on in this way, the player of Queen Maya of Melhed just left the game. Melhed is now also looking for a new ruler :p
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Oh boy...
Did he say anything before leaving?
-Jaune
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That's unfortunate.
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Ugh. That sucks. There was a lot of IC hatred there but the player sure didn't allow for a dull moment.
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Here was his goodbye message which was OOC so I assume it's okay to post to the forums:
Dear Melites,
After much thought I’ve decided the time has come for me to step away from Battlemaster. Battlemaster no longer has the draw for me it once did. Lately my arthritis pain has worsened considerably. I’ve switched careers from customer service to freelance writing. I'll be writing a memoir about having been a part of a Buddhist cult until 2012 (true story). These changes require a lot more mental energy to handle, so I must now close the chapters of House Tandaros.
For the past two years I’ve had a blast taking part in the high politics of Beluaterra and Dwilight. I fell in love with the roleplaying life in D’Hara. I liked being the underdog and basically thinking out loud with other characters to make something interesting. Somehow my alt Maya stole the show away from Ismail and became my lead character and the on-again-off-again Queen of Melhed. When it comes to underdogs, Melhed is the epitome, so I loved it at first.. but eventually I learned how the hot dogs are made.
Lately its been our job to get beaten up on and insulted around Beluaterra. The latest war of the north has disillusioned me greatly to the state of the game community. Many people on the forums just seems intent on slagging on Melhed, or D’Hara, or whatever realm the “winners” deign to sneeze at. The atmosphere has grown more toxic and reminds me of high school - which should be an evident warning sign to the Titans. These same forum names were in the superior realms I found myself opposing in Luria and Thalmarkin, many of which also had devs as dukes, ambassadors, rulers, etc. This is poor balance and is obviously a conflict of interest.
A very Lannister-esque “F&*% you, title me” attitude has taken over the game and it seems that respect for the player behind the character has evaporated - unless the player is your friend, familiar, and collaborator. I admit I’ve played this way too just to stay alive, or better put, relevant. If people have to do this, the game is broken. I liked Battlemaster for being able to play casually from a storytelling angle. The powergaming contingent seems to be taking over across the board and simply running roughshod over the opposition. The stagnant Far East after Arcaea’s total victory is a prime example of what happens when people focus more on “winning Battlemaster” than fostering community spirit and a fun atmosphere.
I’d like to thank all the people who have made Battlemaster a fun, vivid experience; JeVondair, Mormont, Octavius, Graves, Ulthuan, Blakeshadow, Bar-le-duc, Lanze, Windblack, Forbes, von Genf, de Coivos, Dragul, Levine, Mersault, Jeffrey, Serpentis, and Meneldur who championed in-game storytelling, and I pour one out for Vellos, Nosferatus, d’Espana and Hossenfeffer. Also anyone in Melhed I forgot to mention. Whatever my humble new writing career might evolve into is largely due to your inspiration, so I offer you all-due praise and much-gratitude.
To anyone who would like to keep in contact: please feel free to email me at gbonn418@gmail.com… seriously, I love pen pals. Or if you’re a PC gamer add me on Steam (Tandaros). I’ve been known to play M&B Warband and Crusader Kings II and would appreciate new comrades-in-arms..
In Blood & Glory,
I’m out.
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻)
Geoffrey Bonn
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I can't help but feel targeted by that. I've had my characters wish all kinds of murderous and vile things on Maya, often in public after a battle. Honestly, it's just an expression of how he'd feel, feeling personally betrayed and threatened, with all bridges burned, while at the same time arguing politics before a continental audience. I don't think I've let that attitude spill over OOCly, but if I did, I apologize.
Either way, I'm sorry that the player of the Tandaros family saw this sort of attitude as a reason to quit, especially since I feel we had a pretty decent and civil relationship before the last betrayal, which did merit an extreme reaction from my perspective. Aside from that, a culture of superiority has developed in Thalmarkin, which may not come across very friendly but it's certainly not meant to be taken as that OOC. It's years of victories that has led to it, and we've chosen to cultivate it and to make it policy. In stead of the current war we could be "winners" and continue a diplomatic policy that saw us allied with all the great powers and just pommel the weaker realms but we've chosen ultimate arrogance in an effort to firstly, not sit still ourselves, and secondly arouse a huge coalition against us. This from a meta-perspective, IC it is the continuation of the same story we've been building for years. One of militarism, unyielding principles, strong-willed characters and, these last years, adoration for our king. Through that we've created what I believe to be a fun atmosphere in our realm and it was our intention to spread it outside our borders as well by bringing war, conflict and a new "imperial" dynamic.
But then... Tandaros' quitting tells me somewhere along the road we've failed so - inside the lines of the IC possible - I'd be interested to hear what suggestions there are to increase the fun for all on this continent. We won't stop trying to win, that'd take all of the fun out of the game but I hope everyone knows that winning does not come by grace of devs or admins and had Tandaros played in the realms he accuses of such things, the idea would sound as ridiculous to him as it does to me.
Anyway, maybe this is not the right place to reply to that message, maybe it shouldn't be answered at all but I felt that a reaction was in order. If only to share different perspectives, and hopefully learn from them to make our continent more fun for all.
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Oh she quit?
Well it does suck to play on the losing side. It is never fun. Guess someone pushed her off the edge.
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Oh, sure OO hated Maya from bottom of his steel heart and would have loved to see her rot on our prison and tortured to death...
As a player i hate to see another one bite to dust... another one who made action to the game.
-Jaune
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I just realized every ruler in the Southern "bloc" has had a ruler change except for Rio. Funny how the one that lasts the longest is in a democracy.
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We are getting unusually large hordes recently... >1000CS of undead, twice in a row, while we used to only get 400CS of monsters.
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Ah !@#$, I only read Tandaros' message now. Yusklin will nevar forget :P
On topic, though, there's also initiatives going against the current. The Order of the White Rose on Dwi, for instance, fosters relationships across realm boundaries.
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Well Immanuel Octavius is the new "Lord Protector" of Melhed and was elected on a pledge to return it to a republic subject to referendum once the situation allows.
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Lots of realms trying to bail out of the war, now...
Do players love peace THAT much as to seek it at any cost?
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Lots of realms trying to bail out of the war, now...
Do players love peace THAT much as to seek it at any cost?
No, they just hate losing that much that they are willing to accept peace at any cost to stop the losing.
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I think it is more of a fear of losing the realm that most players have.
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It is a good thing. When players recognise defeat then wars don't drag on becoming boring for everyone and causing the losing realms to dwindle and lose player.
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Indeed. No one wants to fight an endless war just to put off the inevitable. The losing party can make peace and start from scratch. The winning party can make peace and move on to different targets.
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Except, of course, when the winners are pledged to destroy the losers.
I understand there are good IC motives for it but Melhed is promised complete destruction by Thalmarkin and Ar Agyr and Spearhold (although the last doesn't really have any IC motives). On the other side, Ar Agyr is promised destruction by Melhed.
So however this war ends there's likely to be at least one realm destroyed - and personally I think it would be good if players could find an IC way of changing positions so that no realms get wiped out for the sake of keeping the game interesting.
After all, a mighty realm humiliated and reduced to a tiny scrap of land and seeking its vengeance is far more interesting for the game than a new colony that spends the next two IRL years being best buddies with their founding realm.
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It might be possible. Melhed had a New ruler, right? Have they tried begging for mercy? Offering some massive conciliation?
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Melhed has a new ruler, yes. But said ruler is my character Immanuel. And Immanuel is probably the most despised man in the north of Beluaterra :p
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I guess that speaks volumes of Melhed as whole. :D
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Not really - all it reflects is that I'm the most vocal and active character in the realm and that the only other noble to run in the election was a proven traitor.
Now if Yeux Serpentis had unpaused just a turn earlier then things might have been very different.
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Not really - all it reflects is that I'm the most vocal and active character in the realm and that the only other noble to run in the election was a proven traitor.
I guess that speaks volumes of Melhed as whole. :D
Quoted for truth. If the only two nobles to run in the election were a proven traitor and the most despised man in the North, then that does speak volumes of Melhed as a whole.
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Then maybe, for the good of the realm, heh needs to step aside.
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Except, of course, when the winners are pledged to destroy the losers.
True, I still don't like it but it's too late now.
It might be possible. Melhed had a New ruler, right? Have they tried begging for mercy? Offering some massive conciliation?
King Pavel of Melhed lied outright to Thal and AA trying to form a coalition against us behind our back so he went from ally to enemy, he was killed so we signed peace with his successor Maya, treaty and everything. Just a little while later at the most opportune moment, the new ruler broke the treaty and we went back to war. After this, Thalmarkin and Ar Agyr vowed to wipe Melhed off the map for their repeated treachery.
Electing Immanuel as ruler certainly hasn't done anything to improve our opinion of them though I doubt that it'd have been better had someone else been elected. When you are betrayed by consecutive rulers, you kind of get the idea that the ruler's not to blame but the realm as a whole. Trust between these realms is thus non-existent.
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So? Find a way to make it work. If the players really want it to happen, then they have to work together to make it happen. One side doesn't get to sit back and say "Well, we'd really like to not wipe you out, by it's my character. You know, I can't really control him, and he wants to wipe you out, so... tough luck."
If you want to save Melhed, then find a way. Will it come back to bite you later? Maybe. But then you have a built in enemy, the next time you need one. And, really, it's a game. Who cares? If you don't like the way it's going, then change it.
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I don't want it work. I don't like destroying realms in general so I've got mixed feelings about it but in this particular case, I'll make an exception. Not to mention that after a long history of rivalry between the two realms I'm probably the only player in Thalmarkin who still got mixed feelings about it. My character couldn't save them if he wanted to.
In the past, we did as players decide to not push too far in our negotiations to keep a relatively strong Melhed at our borders. But if we can't sign treaties with them, then that's no good either.
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Maybe it will work, maybe it won't. You won't know unless you try.
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Sometimes realms have to die, the history of BM is richer for the realms and empires lost to time.
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Yep. It happens. I've had my part in killing several. I just don't like hearing "I don't want to" or "It sucks that we have to", when nobody is actually trying to NOT do it. And maybe IG they are trying to make it not happen. I don't know. Our realm is so isolated and not involved it's pathetic. All I know is what's here in the forums.
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Indirik:
If you want my advice, overthrow your king. I've written to him to ask his views on the war and I've had no reply.
Personally I'm fed up with rulers for life who take no part in making the game fun so that's why I'm recommending such harsh action :p
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I'm not complaining that I don't want it to go like this. I do want Melhed to die. This however goes against a long tradition of me arguing to keep them alive. So, yeah... I've got mixed feelings about it but that doesn't mean I'm complaining that my character overpowers me or anything. I get what you're arguing against but you're barking up the wrong tree here. If I want something OOC, I'll find a way to make it work IC. We're not trying to make our king king of all kings just because our characters adore him, we're doing it to shake up BT's diplomacy and fight a war that's not a guaranteed win.
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Realms surviving isn't always for the best. If Melhed is forced to sit it out for a while, and make a ton of conessions, they won't be having any more fun.
There's also no reason to place the burden fully on Thalmarkin. Just as Luria didn't find it fair that Barca should be reformed purely in Lurian lands. Riombara has plenty of land to make a viable realm for Melhed, for example.
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So? Find a way to make it work. If the players really want it to happen, then they have to work together to make it happen. One side doesn't get to sit back and say "Well, we'd really like to not wipe you out, by it's my character. You know, I can't really control him, and he wants to wipe you out, so... tough luck."
If you want to save Melhed, then find a way. Will it come back to bite you later? Maybe. But then you have a built in enemy, the next time you need one. And, really, it's a game. Who cares? If you don't like the way it's going, then change it.
As has been said by Lorgan a few times, noone really want them to live (among Thalmarkin obviously), at least noone vocal enough to say it.
Maybe it will work, maybe it won't. You won't know unless you try.
Well, we did try. 3 times actually. It didnt work.
Of course Thalmarkin can always give them a 4th and 83rd chance, but it just starts to seem riddiculous.
Yep. It happens. I've had my part in killing several. I just don't like hearing "I don't want to" or "It sucks that we have to", when nobody is actually trying to NOT do it.
I dont see the problem. I wish we had not come to a place where we had to kill Melhed. Beluaterra needs more realms, not less. But we are not gonna go against any possible reasonable IG action just to make them live. I wish we werent forced to do it, but we are. It is same as with the epic RCs Melhed have. I wish we didnt have to destroy them, but its much better than the option.
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And basicly Melhed is begging to get killed :) Starts war, makes it hatred, elects its rulers those who have been most betrayal towards its enemy, keeps repeating how they will not rest until we are wiped off from map... So, i sohuld say... "Gimme five and lets be buddies again?" After saying that few times and get knife on the back.
-Jaune
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Yeah, I agree that eventually some realms have to get the boot. I just bugs me when I hear people carrying on about how they hate to do it, they don't want to do it, it's so sad... and then they go ahead and do it anyway.
And I do realize that Melhed's choice in rulers hasn't really helped any.
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Yeah, I agree that eventually some realms have to get the boot. I just bugs me when I hear people carrying on about how they hate to do it, they don't want to do it, it's so sad... and then they go ahead and do it anyway.
And I do realize that Melhed's choice in rulers hasn't really helped any.
Melhed's choices of everything, since quite a while, aren't helping them...
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And yet the path was so clear... :)
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Region Changes Allegiance (15 minutes ago)
message to Everyone on Beluaterra
Baqua has changed its allegiance to the realm of Melhed. The region used to belong to Spearhold.
Is there ANYTHING Melhed does that doesn't scream "PLEASE KILL ME NOW"? XD
I know Melhed's leadership probably has nothing to do with it... but still.
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Is there ANYTHING Melhed does that doesn't scream "PLEASE KILL ME NOW"? XD
I know Melhed's leadership probably has nothing to do with it... but still.
Actually Queen Maya has something to do with this. Basically the lord of the region in question feels that Spearhold is being dishonourable and breaking treaties in not fighting against Thalmarkin and so he has defected to Melhed.
I was completely unaware of this but I'm not complaining about getting a new noble at all.
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I largely stayed out of the military bits, mostly functionary stuff like the SC and courtier business. Then Immanuel asks Mavia to do something diplomatic. Frankly, I'm surprised Fingolfin (The character, not the player) Even replied.
So now she's doing everything she can to make it work and its...not going well.
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Announcement:
King Immanuel has announced the dissolution of the realm of Melhed and his intention to abdicate to allow the lords and dukes of the realm to do as they see fit.
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I largely stayed out of the military bits, mostly functionary stuff like the SC and courtier business. Then Immanuel asks Mavia to do something diplomatic. Frankly, I'm surprised Fingolfin (The character, not the player) Even replied.
So now she's doing everything she can to make it work and its...not going well.
We took the offer as an opportunity for the realm to think of humiliating surrender terms, which was quite fun. :)
There was a lot of opposition, but also people with ambitions towards a post in Melhed or simply those who prefer humiliation to destruction (like myself). So, Fingolfin distilled the ideas and made a counter-proposal. But yeah, things don't seem to be going well now... :P
Announcement:
King Immanuel has announced the dissolution of the realm of Melhed and his intention to abdicate to allow the lords and dukes of the realm to do as they see fit.
That's pretty interesting. :)
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And Immanuel has now abdicated - apparently Fronepu duchy is planning to join Ar Agyr.
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The war should end soon then.
With Melhed gone, and Fronen also offering peace, I don't see much of how the war will continue.
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There is still IVF, Nothoi and Rio... Will be long distance war, but this time battlefields are not on our lands.
-Jaune
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I can't see any of those three staying in the war much longer now that they no longer have allies to defend. And Nothoi is the only one which needs to worry about being invaded - Rio and IVF should be more than capable of beating any forces which reach them.
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As far as I'm concerned, I'd like to put that to the test.
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There is still Spearhold which will enter now that Melhed has left, and who knows what Caelum will do.
But yeah, now the war will be on the North's terms more than before.
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Nothoi and Rio and IVF both supported destruction of AA. That will not be forgotten. One, or two, or three just does not simply...
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/33161015/bm/onedoesnotsimplywalkagyr.jpg)
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If Spearhold enters the war again, we might have a chance, because Nothoi won't be so open as before and Thalmarkin would shift its attention to them....
It would still be interesting to see what Caellum does.
Isn't AA basically just part of Thal? Can't see them as a real realm
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Isn't AA basically just part of Thal? Can't see them as a real realm
Thats exactly what people keep repeating and believing. We are allied with Thalmarkin sure, but no way we are same realm. We are forced to be bonded together with all this crap south & Melhed have thrown on AA, but we are not federated... AA owes helluwa lot to Thalmarkin for its help and support. And AA recognizes Fingolfin as King of Kings at times of invasion.
But if Thalmarkin says that "Duke Bob is the !@#$! Replace him with Lorgan!" You can bet you will see Thalmarkin fall down! :)
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Aww. :(
I think it's pretty funny that Thal's banner is a bear and AA's a guy wielding a club, riding a bear. :)
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If everyone goes to peace, there's a limit to how much Caelum can do.
It may now have the second-most nobles, but is still weakest militarily and will need some time to catch up. The more realms are at peace, the greater the odds of a collection of them gang-banging whoever dares start a new war, because hey, BM players seem to like doing that.
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Thats exactly what people keep repeating and believing. We are allied with Thalmarkin sure, but no way we are same realm. We are forced to be bonded together with all this crap south & Melhed have thrown on AA, but we are not federated... AA owes helluwa lot to Thalmarkin for its help and support. And AA recognizes Fingolfin as King of Kings at times of invasion.
But if Thalmarkin says that "Duke Bob is the !@#$! Replace him with Lorgan!" You can bet you will see Thalmarkin fall down! :)
This is not what it looks like, specially when you see the messages from the ruler.
the image that AA passes is that you are only an extension of Thalmarkin. A realm created to manage the regions that would be too far away for them to take care without problems
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AA were created, cause Cosula family have strong claim over Thalmarkin rulership. Cosula's have not threaten power of Fingolfin and they have gotten along well. But OO never let King Fingolfin forget that he has claim on Thalmarkins throne.
Melheds war declaration was like a gift to King Fingolfin, he promised that if Melhed is slain, OO can fill his claim over Agyr(which comes from old realm Ar Agyr which King his grandfather Julma Jaune was) and thus he get riddoff possible threat incase elections happens.
OO also had a bit tight relations with Pyrix who was judge of Thalmarkin and there was every now and then bitter words thrown between.
Dont get this wrong, AA loves Thalmarkin... but OO is mad enough to resist Thalmarkin if there is reason for that.
One funny thing is that there was a lot people who disliked Immanuel at Thalmarkin, so OO invited him to join Ar Agyr and promised him any region he wish to have outside Agyr... But Immanuel started to be pain in the butt, whiny and tried to push his religion as state religion. Real troubles started after OO declined that.
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It may now have the second-most nobles, but is still weakest militarily and will need some time to catch up. The more realms are at peace, the greater the odds of a collection of them gang-banging whoever dares start a new war, because hey, BM players seem to like doing that.
A big problem is that most of Caelum is very poor. All that desert and badlands. Low pop regions and no gold. Barely self-sufficient, outside of two good rurals. It will never be a big power in its current location. It needs to expand and grab some rich lands in order to amass any real power.
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While it may not be accurate, I'll confirm that to everyone else, AA is just Thalmarkin's pet chiwawa.
A big problem is that most of Caelum is very poor. All that desert and badlands. Low pop regions and no gold. Barely self-sufficient, outside of two good rurals. It will never be a big power in its current location. It needs to expand and grab some rich lands in order to amass any real power.
And grabbing said land would be a lot easier if the whole continent wasn't about to go into peace mode.
Every time a realm wants to go to war in BM, it gets gang-banged by everyone else, or just about. Thal could handle it. Caelum could not.
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Well yeh... Thats kinda good. Gives Møre power to OO's shouting :)
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Meh, I don't foresee an end to war. Nor a gangbang.
As for AA being Thal's "pet chihuahua", first, AA has proven to be much more than a chihuahua and has played a major part in this war. Only last week AA defeated Melhed and Rio both, alone. And as for being a pet, relations are complicated, simplify them at your own peril.
That's not to say that AA and Thal aren't tight but it's a relationship of mutual respect based on a common heritage and a shared culture. Hopefully one day it'll result in an interesting war between brothers but it won't just happen out of the blue.
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Bob alone could probably beat up Caelum.
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Bob alone could probably beat up Caelum.
How strong is his unit, these days?
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How strong is his unit, these days?
Crazy Insane Ballistic Hooligans Bob Ar Agyr 120 SF line 1990
Crazy Insane Ballistic Hooligans (11) score 1062 hits on Invasion Levee (5).
Jos von Genf, High Chancellor of Riombara, Royal of Riombara, Duke of Grehk, Margrave of Grehk has been wounded by Crazy Insane Ballistic Hooligans (11).
Credit where credit is due, this is one nice unit.
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Only 1,062 hits? That must be a pretty bad example of what that unit can do. I've seen more hits than that with just 29 SF.
Unless it's remarkably crappy SF.
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While nice, 3 units could take care of it. I'd hardly say he can defeat Caelum on his own. ;)
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Yeah, Bob's about 20% of AA's army. :) The downside is his refit time takes ages. :p
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Duchy Changes Allegiance (just in)
message to Everyone on Beluaterra
the Province of Melhed has changed its allegiance with all its regions to the realm of Ar Agyr. The duchy used to belong to Melhed.
That's one messy map... :)
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Only 1,062 hits? That must be a pretty bad example of what that unit can do. I've seen more hits than that with just 29 SF.
Unless it's remarkably crappy SF.
It's ranged SF, so it hit twice in the same round.
Crazy Insane Ballistic Hooligans (11) fire on Foederatis (4), scoring 1751 hits.
Crazy Insane Ballistic Hooligans (11) score 1062 hits on Invasion Levee (5).
The troop leader of Foederatis also was wounded in the same round.
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Ahh... 1,751, that's better. Still, not an exemplary hit for that many SF. But the double wounding makes up for it. :P
The downside is his refit time takes ages. :p
No kidding. Even at 90 infantry, it takes me a couple days. 120 high quality SF... that's like a week, or more, if you're old.
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Ahh... 1,751, that's better. Still, not an exemplary hit for that many SF. But the double wounding makes up for it. :P
No kidding. Even at 90 infantry, it takes me a couple days. 120 high quality SF... that's like a week, or more, if you're old.
That's over 2800 hits in one round...
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You gotta have 3 pretty damn good units to wipe him off... he shoots from range 5, when you get closer you get hurt baaadly :)
and that unit hits melee too :)
Huh, now we have JeVondairs and Octavius family at AA... this is more than messy map! This is totally messed up situatioin :D
-Jaune
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Yes, it is 2800 hits. But a unit of good sf that size should be able to do a lot more than that in one hit, ranged or melee. I've seen 29 sf do over 1200 in one hit. 120 should be able to double that.
I'm not saying this unit sucks. I'm just saying the attacks posted here are not anywhere near what this unit can really do.
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Yes, it is 2800 hits. But a unit of good sf that size should be able to do a lot more than that in one hit, ranged or melee. I've seen 29 sf do over 1200 in one hit. 120 should be able to double that.
I'm not saying this unit sucks. I'm just saying the attacks posted here are not anywhere near what this unit can really do.
Well, it is marked as 1900 CS.
My 1000 CS MI shot for 450 hits, so... 1700 hits for less than double the CS sounds pretty good.
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That's MI. We're talking about SF.
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Crazy Insane Ballistic Hooligans (11) fire on Existential Crisis. (3), scoring 1959 hits.
Thats biggest hit i was able to find from my messages... but oh boy the amount of wounded nobles he had caused :D
-Jaune
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I can imagine.
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The range 5 SF is great, and very practical... but I've always wanted to see him lead a cavalry charge. :P
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The range 5 SF is great, and very practical... but I've always wanted to see him lead a cavalry charge. :P
NEVAH! HE SHALL NOT BREAK MY RECORD!
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Hiems (10) score 4695 hits. A 101 men cavalry unit of Astrum led by Kihalin Lapallanch, Strategos of Astrum, Count of Ammando in a small skirmish against a 356 men peasant militia unit of the Farronite Republic, 25 August 2013.
You and Sergio were doing some massive damage back then...
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You and Sergio were doing some massive damage back then...
Well we were the only ones leading big cavalry units. Him and I had 200 cavalry between us. Good times. Too bad Sergio wasn't that talkative.
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One funny thing is that there was a lot people who disliked Immanuel at Thalmarkin, so OO invited him to join Ar Agyr and promised him any region he wish to have outside Agyr... But Immanuel started to be pain in the butt, whiny and tried to push his religion as state religion. Real troubles started after OO declined that.
Sorry, have to disagree here. The trouble started way before then with the way you, as a player, ran the realm and made it pretty dull and boring.
For example, you never filled in the realm summary or the welcome message for new characters - it was only after Melhed's first surrender when I had to join the realm as part of the peace treaty in order to be banned that you filled them in and only then because I sent an OOC message to the realm about it.
And generally you ran (don't know about now) a silent realm. You might have been having lots of interesting conversations with other rulers but even those of us on the realm council didn't hear about it. OOCly, the reason I tried pushing for Sartanism to become the state religion was just to try and create some liveliness in the realm. That's also the reason why my characters offered to pay for a tournament (an offer which was just ignored).
ICly, the reason why Immanuel got "whiny" was because he was general and yet, more often than not, you'd just give orders to the army yourself making his position entirely redundant. That was why he resigned as general and that, along with the decision to apparently become a vassal of Thalmarkin, was what made him decide that Melhed would be a better bet - and OOC I chose Melhed just because it was less deathly boring.
Now, from what I can gather, AA is far more interesting now but that's largely thanks to an influx of new characters following the war starting and thanks to the player of Sir Bob stepping up to the plate and being a good general as well as developing his character to become a military legend thanks to his age and his huge, huge SF unit.
But, speaking as a player, all the problems in AA stemmed from the realm being boring with you as ruler because you didn't put even the bare minimum amount of effort in to creating a realm. I consider that shoddy and lazy and is exactly what I dislike most in the game - players of rulers who don't work to make their realm fun.
I'm saying this not to have a go at you per se but rather to try and remind you that, now you have one of the largest realms on the continent, you might want to try upping your game a little.
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I pretty much joined because you said it was boring and I wanted to change that. I just went in with a supportive but assertive attitude, said stuff, got quick reaction and I think we got things going. Most of it might of course already have been rolling and the urgency the war created obviously aided in that responsiveness. I mean, it's not like I'd come online to loads of AA messages but it definitely wasn't silent either. It's just hard to make a realm of around 10 people feel truly alive. There's simply not enough people to interact with.
Then, again, that also made it quite laid back and fun. I didn't have to say anything but I knew that I'd always get reaction when I did and that people cared. It makes you feel pretty important when you're only one out of 10 responsible for keeping the realm going. :)
And the responsiveness was evident in army movement as well, AA always impressed me for a realm it's size. But I guess we're back to Bob's huge unit then. :P
Now it's kinda different though we'll see how lasting it all is. :)
I suppose Jaune changed his way of ruling a bit (though I guess he was busy in your times, weren't it the last months of Darka?), he's definitely shared things on multiple occasions after recalling your complaints. But overall, I like Jaune because I know he'll stir up stuff. That's why I really wanted him to lead a BT realm again (aside from using his family claim to war Melhed. :) ). I still remember my first(and only? geez) ruling stint in OG with Julma Jaune, king of tiny Thal writing silly messages on the ruling channel provoking Enweil, demanding they'd suck his socks... Then going down there, getting killed in a duel till death. :P Then swearing eternal vengeance upon Enweil for this "murder" with that character's son.
Aaanyway... you see where I'm getting at, as a realm, I know we'll have things to do with jaune as ruler. And that is, aside from the politics etc, still a lot of BM's fun for me.
Edit: Nevermind that "only", forgot Rio for a moment there. Sorry guys! :P
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That's all very well but there really is no excuse for taking the best part of an RL year to fill in the new character message - imagine what a rubbish impression that must give to anyone relatively new to the game.
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That's not really an issue on BT though. Aside from flavour - which I do agree, we can never have enough of - those messages are only good to show people the first steps of the game.
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That's not really an issue on BT though. Aside from flavour - which I do agree, we can never have enough of - those messages are only good to show people the first steps of the game.
I don't quite agree. Realm bulletins have a strong effect on the atmosphere of a realm. When the realm can't even bothered to have decent and semi-recent bulletins, it makes one skeptical about the rest. First impressions are important, and bulletins can quickly reduce the confidence newcomers have towards the realm leadership, even if that player isn't a newbie.
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So is Melhed coming to Caelum? We could become the most populous realm of BT, maybe? :D
All of your defections are making AA catch up with us! :(
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It wasn't about the bulletins though, but about new character welcome message. Anyway, personally I haven't actively read bulletins in ages. They're there to consult when I'm not sure about a law for example and it's nice when they add flavour to your realm, but more important by galactic miles in that regard are the messages I get from other players on a daily basis in my opinion.
As for the Melites, seems like they're willing to give AA a shot so far. It'll be interesting to see how this develops. :)
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As for the Melites, seems like they're willing to give AA a shot so far. It'll be interesting to see how this develops. :)
I'll point out that Melites now actually outnumber the Ar Agyrians... ;)
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I'll point out that Melites now actually outnumber the Ar Agyrians... ;)
That train of thought could lead us to well-traveled paths... :)
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I agree at some extent with Antonine's criticism. Ar Agyr should have been more talkactive.
But you must admit that i was the one who talked most :) Talking alone aint too fun either.
We are now living very intresting times at AA. All except 2 Melhedians have been accepted to Ar Agyr. 1 banned and 1 asked to leave... time will show how Melhedians will react on this.
There is helluwa mess with the regions. Map is messed up. 1 Region is other side of the island :D
Mhed is still held by Melhed. Althought it could be quite easily captured now.
South have not commented recent events publicly at all.
-Jaune
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So Mavia's been banned. The official reason being a traitor to the realm, supported by the fact that she called OO incompetent and hurt his feelings, only after she increased the power of his realm by 100% of course. I don't think I've ever had a character banned so quickly. Fun times.
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@JeVondair
We should get chars in the same realm some time! haha
I reckon we could have some fun times. ;D
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I'd be up for that, especially with Tandaros, D'Espana, and Arundel gone :-(
Sigh, I'll miss them.
Do send me a PM so I can find one of your characters
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I think it looks like there'll be a fair few nobles heading to Caelum now...
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Nothoi is more likely, being closer and with more available land unless I misread?
Gotta say i'm pretty disappointed. This could have been a lot more fun.
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Nothoi is more likely, being closer and with more available land unless I misread?
Gotta say i'm pretty disappointed. This could have been a lot more fun.
Nothoi is the most silent realm I've ever joined while playing this game.
Things might have changed since I left (I was told my messages helped get the ball rolling), but I wouldn't expect drastic changes.
Caelum doesn't have lots of land, nor is the land all that good for the most part, but high density improves estate efficiency, which can help pump out more gold out of poor regions than poorly populated rich regions. A lot more active nobles, though, which I think is the key factor. And an unstable new government. A context which allows much greater flexibility to appease newcommers, and thus much more opportunity for them in the long-term than just being lords in a silent realm.
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So Mavia's been banned. The official reason being a traitor to the realm, supported by the fact that she called OO incompetent and hurt his feelings, only after she increased the power of his realm by 100% of course. I don't think I've ever had a character banned so quickly. Fun times.
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Gotta say i'm pretty disappointed. This could have been a lot more fun.
Im not really especially involved in what happens over at AA, but from what I hear ooc it seems that AA are gonna let almost anyone who wishes to stay stay. Except for Immanuel and Jevondair who has worked quite hard and vocally for the destruction of AA. It would have been extremely surprising to see AA let Jevondair stay after all that has been said and done, and very very dangerous for their own part. Aside for these two people (again, from what I hear), most people are even allowed to keep their Lordships (and possibly even Margrave/dukeships). Should lead to quite interesting times indeed, if they were to stay!
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Im not really especially involved in what happens over at AA, but from what I hear ooc it seems that AA are gonna let almost anyone who wishes to stay stay. Except for Immanuel and Jevondair who has worked quite hard and vocally for the destruction of AA. It would have been extremely surprising to see AA let Jevondair stay after all that has been said and done, and very very dangerous for their own part. Aside for these two people (again, from what I hear), most people are even allowed to keep their Lordships (and possibly even Margrave/dukeships). Should lead to quite interesting times indeed, if they were to stay!
Immanuel didnt come to AA, i heard he headed to Fronen. But there is young Octavius priest who was asked to leave, simply because of his family history at AA. We also gave option to JeVondair stay, but she needs to give up her Duchyship.
Gotta see how this evolve. How will they adapt AA's jolly King :)
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I've got money on "dagger in the back."
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I've got money on "dagger in the back."
Yeah, one could say OO is stupid as boot... been betrayed by same chaps several times.. and yet again give em a chanche :P
But he has golden heart :)
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Now the war is making some interesting turns, with Fronen surrendering to Thalmarkin and OG, and lords joining Nothoi.
With their lands.
And in half a day Fronen now belongs to Nothoi. Oh the fun!
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Duchy Changes Allegiance (8 days, 16 hours ago)
message to Everyone on Beluaterra
the Province of Melhed has changed its allegiance with all its regions to the realm of Ar Agyr. The duchy used to belong to Melhed.
Duchy Changes Allegiance (2 days, 16 hours ago)
message to Everyone on Beluaterra
Carmel has changed its allegiance with all its regions to the realm of Nothoi. The duchy used to belong to Fronen.
Duchy Changes Allegiance (just in)
message to Everyone on Beluaterra
Sypher has changed its allegiance with all its regions to the realm of Ar Agyr. The duchy used to belong to Fronen.
So... thats 2 realms gone, and AA just jumped from 6-7 regions to 16 regions (would have been 18 if Thal didnt maange to take 2 regions from Melhed before they switched side).
Its still very hard to see where this is going :)
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Holy...
Chaoooos. But yeah, AA grew substantially, so did Nothoi and from the ashes of 4 realms rise two big ones with a lot more nobles. Certainly not a bad thing for overall conversational fun on BT. :)
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Fronen just dissolved itself on its own... wow.
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In fairness, Vitus can take all the credit for Fronen dissolving. Making peace with the north? Fair enough. Unilaterally changing the government system to make all positions appointed by the ruler without even warning people first? Yeah, that'll piss people off and make them leave.
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In fairness, Vitus can take all the credit for Fronen dissolving. Making peace with the north? Fair enough. Unilaterally changing the government system to make all positions appointed by the ruler without even warning people first? Yeah, that'll piss people off and make them leave.
Or, you know, revolt?
If the people had cared for the realm, they wouldn't have let that destroy it. Protests would have surely worked, though rebellion might have as well. None of the changes he did was hard to undo.
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I think the basic problem was that one region lord defected and then that then triggered a stampede as that became the obvious action rather than protesting or rebelling.
Yes, Fronen was in a very bad way, but it was Vitus who pushed it over the edge.
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It was really odd. I think only two lords contacted me about the move, the rest came following them.
Some of them might return to Fronen after the reformation.
Now comes one question: Will Thalmarkin continue to support Fronen is Immanuel is elected ruler?
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It was really odd. I think only two lords contacted me about the move, the rest came following them.
Some of them might return to Fronen after the reformation.
Now comes one question: Will Thalmarkin continue to support Fronen is Immanuel is elected ruler?
Thalmarkin should just stomp Fronen. A realm who cares so little to exist does not deserve to continue existing.
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I'm actually thinking of trying an experiment as a city state realm - buying food on the market with no army to speak of but a massive number of militia. I don't know how it would work out long term but it could be interesting to try out to see what it's like.
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Spent a few weeks in a city-state realm on EC. Incredibly boring.
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Spent a few weeks in a city-state realm on EC. Incredibly boring.
Boring, as he said.
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Yeah, you really wouldn't have anyone to talk to. Except people who really don't care to talk to you, because they have more important people to talk to. Like their own realm mates.
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Now comes one question: Will Thalmarkin continue to support Fronen is Immanuel is elected ruler?
Thats a tricky one indeed! No idea and I suppose it depends on how things turn out. Right now I strongly doubt there would be any peace between us, but that may depend on AA as much as us.
I would say that most Thalmarkians (though even more so Ar Agyrians) would be extremely happy to kill anything Immanuel touches. But well, one thing at a time! We have a new behemoth to punch!
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Eh this war may prove unworkable if the entire population of every region shows up to fight after less than a day of looting.
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Eh this war may prove unworkable if the entire population of every region shows up to fight after less than a day of looting.
Not really. Dead peasants hurts.
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Not really. Dead peasants hurts.
They would, but these new peasant militias don't come from the population of the region, they just manifest from thin air.
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They would, but these new peasant militias don't come from the population of the region, they just manifest from thin air.
Care to prove it?
Because if you can, that's definitely a bug.
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Care to prove it?
Because if you can, that's definitely a bug.
Population of Pel Mark was just over 2000 last turn, did some looting and killed about a hundred peasants, bringing the total down to 1995. In response to the looting a unit of 1500 peasants spawned; population remained the same.
Edit: It's been pointed out to me that the maximum population of Pel Mark is 3200, and between peasant militia and the regional population there are right now about 3500, and that's discounting completely those we've killed in looting and battle thus far. At turn change that number was around 3900. Dunno if that helps, but they really are just coming out of nowhere.
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Back to the war, just got an interesting message from Caellum...seems like we will be attacked from every side now.
wooho!
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If Caelum does attack, your under belly should be safe. Unless IVF gets greedy.
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Greedy like Caellum? No, this won't happen.
The war will be probably 3 fronts or 4 depending on how OG and Thalmarkin divide themselves.
So we will have Caellum from west, OG/Thal from the northwest and AA coming from northest.
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Surrender to OO and he will save you :)
-Jaune
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Never!
Will not surrender to any of them.
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Now the war is making some interesting turns, with Fronen surrendering to Thalmarkin and OG, and lords joining Nothoi.
With their lands.
And in half a day Fronen now belongs to Nothoi. Oh the fun!
I know this is rather late, but you can chalk this one up to Rania. She went to each of the nobles individually, blaming Vitus all the way, to bring their lands to Nothoi. Simple Protest wouldn't have worked because their just were not enough active players in Fronen who would vote against him. Plus Vitus pissed her off, therefore the entire realm had to die.
Surrender to OO and he will save you :)
-Jaune
Lies
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Moto will save you all from yourselves.
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Lies
Melhed has been saved :) Portions of Fronen has been saved... Most Melhedians and Fronen nobles have been welcomed warmly and they have hold their regions and titles. Few expections were there, but even those have been given chanche.
-Jaune
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But then... Tandaros' quitting tells me somewhere along the road we've failed so - inside the lines of the IC possible - I'd be interested to hear what suggestions there are to increase the fun for all on this continent. We won't stop trying to win, that'd take all of the fun out of the game but I hope everyone knows that winning does not come by grace of devs or admins and had Tandaros played in the realms he accuses of such things, the idea would sound as ridiculous to him as it does to me.
Sorry to bring up old miseries, but i found it amusing that nobody complained when Spearhold join against the southerners with no valid reasons but nobody complained about it. But most thalmarkins were damn pissed when Rio had rather valid reasons to join against the northerners, despite allying them with liar Melites.
Regardless, i was actually thinking about coming back into the game slowly and remain as observers, but i guessed i quit for a reason, and reading all these made me think that nothing has changed.
And to clarify a few old qualms. Pavel was made as a big bad schemer. People close to him knows that very well especially Maya. It's just his character and the intention was there to make it interesting in BT. He also had big qualms with Thals over their histories with Melhed. Yes, it can be said that the Thals did not felt so, but that's just their POV, and i am not here to argue that. The Fact is, Melhed has not forgiven the Thals. Never actually did. They hanged on to the treaties etc to survive, as any would especially in the medieval age. And i ESPECIALLY would like to believe that Noldorin wanted Melhed to survive because he sees conflict it can create, so conflict it did create. So to turn back and say Melhed shouldn't this and that is just plain absurd. And i don't actually see any problem with playing out such character.
The sad thing i see with lots of players here were of those that are happy when they are on the winning gangbanging side, and whine when they are on the losing side. I will tell you this. I ENJOYED greatly even when Melhed was on the losing side. What makes the Thal so great about scheming to take over the continent and Melhed such a big fat liar for scheming to stop them? That is just you thinking that you are always right and not putting yourself on someone else's shoes. In fact, Melhed sort of tried to stop the Thals to gangbang one realm at a time, and tried to bring every single realm to join in the fun and was given the opportunity when Thalmarkin came up with that scheme.
Regardless, all games(note: not only battlemaster) are infested by such players that just wants to win. Understood, since who doesn't want to. But i have always make it a point to make a decision that keep most people enjoying it at the same time. Can you say the say, especially on the Thalmarkin side that it is fun for everyone around the continent, or only within thalmarkin itself only?
I do not intend to attack anyone and i apologize if i did. It might sound offensive, but i do hope that some of you can actually think about what i said. Some of us quit the game(and i am not self pitying) because this game has became so much of winning and losing - where battlemaster isn't supposed to be about that at all.
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Just because you didn't understand Spearhold's motivations does not mean they lacked good reason to wage war on Melhed.
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Yes, they did have a reason.
One of the things about this game is that you may never know the reasons why some people do what they do. That doesn't mean that they don't have reasons. It just means you don't know them.
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Yes, they did have a reason.
One of the things about this game is that you may never know the reasons why some people do what they do. That doesn't mean that they don't have reasons. It just means you don't know them.
Of course they do. Everyone does. The thing i would like to point out was that the Thals didn't complained about it. That was it. :)
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Not all reasons are as good as others. It's happened a few times that realms went to war just for the sake of going to war, with no regards for anything else.
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Of course they do. Everyone does. The thing i would like to point out was that the Thals didn't complained about it. That was it. :)
I know they didn't. They were quite pleased.
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A few things:
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a) We're not gangbanging. We're winning, it's not the same.
b) If we wanted to go about gangbanging realms, we could've found another way to do it without pissing off 2/3 of our allies into attacking us.
c) Obviously it is fun to win, but the whole point of this war was to not be certain about victory. And we weren't for a long time. We've been obviously winning for maybe a month or two? Ever since we sacked Fronepu, saved Vozzessdor from being taken by Fronen and took Xerus all in the same campaign. And even then, nothing is certain. Spearhold joined against us again and Caelum is a new factor which at the moment is attacking our enemy but who knows what their long term plan is? Certainly looks ambitious.
d) And another point for good measure: It was NEVER the idea to go around gangbanging, the purpose of this whole thing was exactly the opposite and NO ONE has been gangbanged in this war.
2. Spearhold bought into our argument that Melhed deserved to be destroyed for breaking the treaty that had only been in effect for a few weeks.
3. Riombara was always expected to join against us, even though we were long standing friends and allies... It was kind of the point. Had we stayed allies, no fair war would've been possible. Doesn't mean we should IC applaud their actions.
4. I don't think anyone has an issue with how you played Pavel. Play your characters as you wish, just know that there are consequences to everything you do.
I guess that's it. I'm sorry that you quit because I did enjoy the pickle you got us in (and then out again quickly by sneak-attacking OG) but you're right, the game isn't about winning or losing. That I'm winning and enjoy it doesn't mean I wouldn't enjoy losing. We play on BT after all, where you (used to) get the crap beaten out of you periodically.
And I do hope people outside Thalmarkin are having fun with this war, I've at least not seen any complaints from those who are still playing. Meanwhile, we've done our best to even out the odds as much as possible.
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I dont know where that gangbang thing popped up? Nothoi indeed is in deep poop, but its not that we suddenly started gangbang them, they are simply losing and have lost 2 of their allies during this war.
-Jaune
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I think, at least for me, the GB idea started when more realms joined the fight for pure greed.
In one moment we get an offer for peace from OG and a few days latter the offer is denied.
Then Caellum joins against Nothoi.
It might be just me, but lately BM has entered this cycle, after a long time of peace, there will be a time when 4 realms will be going against 1 or 2 (that can not help it each other much on the defensive front) until one is destroyed, then it goes all around again.
Peace time -> kill one -> peace -> kill another and so it goes...
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Caelum joining against Nothoi if not gangbang then i don't know what is. Regardless, that's not the point. At one point, surely one side will appear to be 'gangbanging' the other. It is imo how the rulers create excuses to make it more balanced and fun for everyone. There are tons of instances when it happened, and it can still be 'balanced' in a way or ended quickly(without the losing side losing too much), if they try to.
The point i am trying to bring it is how people complained about Rio joining in the southern side with valid reasons but somehow turn a blind eye on Spearhold and now Caelum joining in albeit with valid reasons as well.
I can take any excuses or funny stories one create, hence how i played Pavel and readily actually accept that i put Melhed at risk for extinction. For one, i was hoping that someone will join in the fun and prevent that from happening, which is why i was very glad Fronen did instead of the dull BT we used to have.
Though i cannot accept how one being hypocrite in whining and criticize someone else way of playing but in return do the same thing themselves(or accept it when it favors them). Regardless, i am not in the game, so i do not know the full story, but that is how i see from some of the postings. I do not wish for anyone to quit - obviously, but perhaps hopefully change the mindset of how some approach the game. :)
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I suppose you're right and Nothoi is being gangbanged right now as Caelum joined the game right after Nothoi lost two allies due to surrendering/defection. Caelum's rise to relevance couldn't very well have been predicted but their lands are poor so a land-grab makes sense for them. The other side of this war isn't one for conquest though, simply swallowing your pride ends the gangbang and turns the tables. Just sayin'... ;)
As for your point, Disturbedyang, no one came on the forum complaining that Rio joined the war. Why should they do so about Caelum or Spearhold? Also, Melhed got it's many allies, it still lost. And I think they gave up only at the point that continuing the war wouldn't have been considered fun by them.
That said, there's sort of been this cycle in BM, yes. It irritates me that there can be no conceived end to a war other than total annihilation. It is much more fun to fight a war till one side gives in to reasonable demands and both seek other things to do. People now, on both sides, want all or nothing, which is just a very shortsighted way of playing.
I don't think this cycle applies here though, the diplomacy is complicated enough to allow for many possible outcomes. There are a lot of players in this war who can change the game. And I don't foresee a time of peace when the war is finally over either.
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Melhed fumbled on the point when they said they wont rest until AA has been wiped off from map and declared Hatred. They didnt give much of chanche for talks, especially if we look back at history a bit... they were given chanche to live along with AA... but threw it away... too many times.
-Jaune
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And i ESPECIALLY would like to believe that Noldorin wanted Melhed to survive because he sees conflict it can create, so conflict it did create. So to turn back and say Melhed shouldn't this and that is just plain absurd. And i don't actually see any problem with playing out such character.
Indeed many wanted Melhed to survive. That was the goal all the time, until we saw that Melhed would never accept peace with Thalmarkin (which was shown by your actions) and would continue war against AA until AA was killed. You didnt really leave us much choice.
And obviously there is no problem with playing Pavel as you did. It certainly gave alot of interesting stuff to do on the continent. But well, playing the game in that way leads to huge risks aswell (obviously), and those risks seems to have been accepted by both sides... and things came to what is now.
What makes the Thal so great about scheming to take over the continent and Melhed such a big fat liar for scheming to stop them? That is just you thinking that you are always right and not putting yourself on someone else's shoes. In fact, Melhed sort of tried to stop the Thals to gangbang one realm at a time, and tried to bring every single realm to join in the fun and was given the opportunity when Thalmarkin came up with that scheme.
Regardless, all games(note: not only battlemaster) are infested by such players that just wants to win. Understood, since who doesn't want to. But i have always make it a point to make a decision that keep most people enjoying it at the same time. Can you say the say, especially on the Thalmarkin side that it is fun for everyone around the continent, or only within thalmarkin itself only?
Im not sure but to me it seems you are mixing IG and ooc here. Thals were mighty angry at melhed IG and had every reason to be. Also (IG) Thalmarkin was so "great" about their scheming since it was done in a righteous way (according to us, again IG), while Melheds attemps to stop our scheme was made through lies and breaking of treaties (again, according to us IG).
Also for the gangbanging, Im not sure what this is in regards to either (unless you mean Caelum atm, who has their own reasons for war). Thalmarkin was going to attack all realms who opposed us (or so was the initial idea at least), as soon as we had some friends on our side. This would not be a gangbang at all, but rather a few realms trying to defeat many realms. As things turned out, we had even worse odds than this since Melhed changed side. Spearhold joined our side for reasons said earlier in this threat (and if i remember correctly, the only thing they ever did through the war was loot 1-2 of your regions and never engaged in any battles against the south?).
So, im not sure if we were suposed to complain about Spearhold "joining" us IG or ooc, but IG makes no sense at all and I dont think there was ooc complaints about Rio joining the south to begin with. The whole idea (ooc) was to fight Nothoi and Rio at the same time, but that doesnt mean im gonna accept their war declarations just like nothing happened IG.
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Caelum has few provinces most of which are poor and lots of money starved nobles.
Nothoi has as many nobles and twice as many provinces. It also has many enemies and is hence vulnerable.
I am not sure what OOC reasons are brought up here but there are plenty of IC ones.
At least Caelum also places itself in a vulnerable position by going to war, whence Riombara and IVF are not due to their sheer geography. Those must be the most boring realms in entire BM. I'd only join them if I was a gold farmer.
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All hail the Caelum Empire!!!!!!!
Caelum's reason for the is because Nothoi was pissing in its cheerios.
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Caelum's reason for the is because Nothoi wouldn't give up half its territory to Caelum.
Fixed that.
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like i said, pissing in its cheerios. lol
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Sounds like a good enough reason to me. Let's see if Moto can pull it off. :p
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There were a few of you, including you Noldorin that complained in the previous thread when Rio joined in the war against the northern. Correct me if i am wrong.
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The new Nothoi ruler could try talking to the Queen of Queens.
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I skimmed the old thread and yes, Noldorin said something about Rio joining under ridiculous reasons, which related to his IC argument and reasons I can't remember. This was followed by a "yay rio" from me and a "we're all going to die!" from solari. Then some stuff that applied to Melhed, not Rio... which led to some toxic discussions which should not be revived.
Just have to say: most of the posts were about a gangbang against the Thal side or at least how we would lose against overwhelming odds. So whatever the situation is now, that does put it in perspective against the course of this war.
P.S.: Actually, reading over that thread I wonder... what happened to the player of Sassan? Can't find him on the character list anymore. Anyone in Rio that can fill me in?
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Four regions is hardly half of its territory. And benefits of this transaction were also considerable. Was worth mulling over it if you ask me. :P
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There were a few of you, including you Noldorin that complained in the previous thread when Rio joined in the war against the northern. Correct me if i am wrong.
From what I remember there was considerable discussions about the "even-ness" of the war in numbers. Aside from that there was indeed my comment on not liking Riombaras IG reasons for war, as in that they didn't bother to come up with actual reasons instead of just joining (though getting them into the war was the goal from all sides).
Its the only things I can remember/find, but might have missed something.
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P.S.: Actually, reading over that thread I wonder... what happened to the player of Sassan? Can't find him on the character list anymore. Anyone in Rio that can fill me in?
He paused, came back for a while but not as active as before, and he autopaused again a few weeks ago.
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From what I remember there was considerable discussions about the "even-ness" of the war in numbers. Aside from that there was indeed my comment on not liking Riombaras IG reasons for war, as in that they didn't bother to come up with actual reasons instead of just joining (though getting them into the war was the goal from all sides).
Its the only things I can remember/find, but might have missed something.
It became rather OOC as far as i remember reading - which i am too lazy to refer back now anyway. But the point is not to bring up old qualms, but to hopefully make everyone understand the whole point of the game, where the focus should be one everyone. Not just the character, nor only the realm, nor even their alliances. Effort should be made to make it fun for the whole continent if that's possible. Because focusing on just the fun within the realm further enhances the will to only be famous himself/herself instead of truly sincerely want everyone to enjoy.
I guess that's the only way to bring battlemaster to the old self. There is a reason why many who tried but gave up and left. It is all the winning and losing thing going on. Velax himself in Far East is onto good path, but i found it too much of a scripted thing. I know because i was there for a while and two of the biggest rulers collaborate to create the plot line. Before the icing thing started that is. It is the spontaneity in Beluaterra that starts to attract people again. Now the only way is to maintain it as well as attract more.
What i saw was always some people made lots of comments IG that is very much OOC imo. I don't know. Regardless, good luck guys. Maybe the next time i am back, things will be different. :)
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He paused, came back for a while but not as active as before, and he autopaused again a few weeks ago.
That's a shame, you've got to love that guy. :) Though I suppose he's paused and returned before.
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And there I thought I knew what Spearhold was all about... Looks like they've been exposed to Stabbity a little too long. :)
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Took a little bit to convince us. Kind of goes against the honorable thing. But the war on Mehled was boring. Or seemed boring to me. Maybe a little looting will liven things up a little bit. Or at least that is the goal.
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I bet it will. And Spearhold takes on a bigger role in the war making it harder for us again. So.. more fun for all!
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We said all along we'd be back in it after we were done with Melhed. Spearhold sticks to its word.
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We said all along we'd be back in it after we were done with Melhed. Spearhold sticks to its word.
Surely that's a first for a Himoura? :p
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We said all along we'd be back in it after we were done with Melhed. Spearhold sticks to its word.
Seriously, was I the only one not surprised by Spearhold doing exactly what they said they would?
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Seriously, was I the only one not surprised by Spearhold doing exactly what they said they would?
A realm doing what they say they will?
inconceivable
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We said all along we'd be back in it after we were done with Melhed. Spearhold sticks to its word.
Well, you choose which words to stick to, since the deal was far away from what is happening now. But yeah, closer wars fopr everyone (except AA and Rio :p)
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As far as I'm aware, we agreed to help you obliterate Melhed, and when it was done, we'd resume the war with Thal. Anything specific besides that hasn't been mentioned to me, so *shrugs*.
By the way, the lord of Sandefur needs to fix their region description, they confuse East and West.
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Well, earlier there was agreed no looting eachother's lands, that's the thing that surprised me. I never doubted Spearhold would resume fighting us after Melhed's destruction.
But I never liked that agreement anyway, I much prefer to be allowed to loot. :)
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The idea was that Spearhold will fight Thalmarkin on the battlefield and that neither realm will loot/TO/damage the others regions. That some doesnt know about it is up to them or the rulers.
I actually did like the agreement since it made it possible for us to actually fight in the southern wars rather than sit home and wait for an invader once per month. But well, wins and losses.. now we have a bit easier target to loot than these damned mountains (though they do have tons of gold!).
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Speaking of tons of gold, a few more turns in Sandefur and I could retire.
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Great news: Spearhold just made themselves the new Melhed! :) Complete disregard for agreements, all proof shown them (their own letters included) are considered forgeries and totally lack interest in having any sort of conversations. Old friendships are turned into "destroy us or we will destroy you" mentality in a few days.
Good for the players with war, boring for the politics that people dont care about it.
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Off with their heads!
-OO
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Speaking of tons of gold, a few more turns in Sandefur and I could retire.
Promises, promises...
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Good for the players with war, boring for the politics that people dont care about it.
Dude, you're totally gonna love Atamara. You should consider a visit when you finally get dead bored by all the war.
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War and politics go together like beer and fizz.
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Good for the players with war, boring for the politics that people dont care about it.
Is not lying and misdirection part of the advance politics class?
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Figured a report was long due.
Spearhold's King, Murchadh has left his realm for Thalmarkin to atone for the breaking of his oath and serve Fingolfin. Former Spear(General) Magnus has been elected King as Spearhold's birth city of Gethsemene is taken by vengeful Thalmarkin armies.
And as it's really been quite a while... Melhed has finally fully integrated into Ar Agyr as King Black surrendered it's last city, Mhed, to Queen Lia.
On the Nothoi-Old Grehk front advances were made and reversed by both sides though at the moment Nothoi has the distinct advantage.
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And for those interested, by the end of May, the war will have been going for one year. :)
I have to say, a TON has happened since then and it's been a blast! At least for me. :)
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I wondered what happened with Murchadh.
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Not sure how often he is in here so I'll just fill in the blanks which I know of...
Most here knows of the war going on, I suppose. Spearhold (or Murchadh) agreed to the King of Kings idea long ago, but decided to fight against Thalmarkin anyway to test our self-claimed superiour might. There were some agreements made between the realms that we would only fight eachother on the battlefield and Spearhold and Thalmarkin would not loot or TO eachothers regions.
While Thalmarkin was entertaining themselves in Nothois mountains however, Spearhold attacked Seandefur and looted the region until about half the population had been killed. Fingolfin got quite upset for this and called out Murchadh as liar to the rulers. Murchadh countered that there was never any agreement and that Fingolfin was making it all up.
Thereafter the most surprising thing happened, where Murchadh started to (IG) feel bad about his dishonourable behaviour, and stated that he would step down. A few days later he wrote a letter to all rulers that he took full responsibility of the broken promises and that he would join Thalmarkin as a punishment and repentence.
So well, he is one of us now! The Thalmarkian "Save Murchadh campaign" which was going on for a few weeks/months inside Thalmarkin actually worked :)
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And now Old Grehk, AA and Thalmarkin lose the battle of Keffa the same turn Nothoi takes the city. You win one, you lose one I guess. :)
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Aaand... victory all round for the coalition. Rio and Spearhold in Baqua and Geth, TO initiated and Nothoi in Keffa and Zwering.
The war's getting interesting. :)
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Looks like Thalmarkin is finally losing!
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They shall never take the Goat City! It has been assimilated into the Goatlands!
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Well, that was cutting it close but Thalmarkin and AA defeated Spearhold and Riombara just before Spearhold's TO finished. 21 vs 18k CS.
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My god. Who puts infantry that far back. They deserved to lose that one. So pathetic...
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And the battle for Gethsemene continues:
Caelum, Spearhold vs. Thalmarkin
Estimated strengths: 1450 men vs. 980 men
Defender Victory!
And Caelum takes it's first steps into the war, having reconsidered their initial position of pummeling Nothoi all by themselves. :)
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And the battle for Gethsemene continues:
Caelum, Spearhold vs. Thalmarkin
Estimated strengths: 1450 men vs. 980 men
Defender Victory!
And Caelum takes it's first steps into the war, having reconsidered their initial position of pummeling Nothoi all by themselves. :)
Why be the underdog by yourself when you can be one alongside half the continent? 8)
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Misery loves company.
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Roses are red, Violets are blue....
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Well, that was disappointing. Kuddos to Nothoi for putting up such a defense. It's certainly not how I wanted to start my first stint as General... :)
Battle of Keffa: 29 vs 21k, defender victory.
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Good to have a decent sized battle though!! - And way harder co-ordinating 3 realms military than 1. Looking forward to the next rounds... whenever that is
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We've been having nothing but decently sized battles lately from where I'm sitting. :P
But yes, win or lose, it sure is fun to fight huge, strongly contested battles.
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Come to the Goat City again! Chilperik needs entertainment!
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There now follows an announcement from Immanuel Octavius:
https://youtu.be/7MJSpgSnX24?t=5s
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Hahaha. Classic Immanuel. ;)
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Not sure if we intend to keep this post alive, but guess what..
Spearhold has given up!
Gotland has been founded!
Victory for Thalmarkin!
Who's next?
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Nothoi's General almost won the war for Thalmarkin - sent an ultimatum to IVF, JV, and Rio to contribute more or face destruction
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Nice. :P
Though, they have been taking the lionshare of the resistance onto them and definitely also the most hits. Also all of the gains though. :)
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Nothoi's General almost won the war for Thalmarkin - sent an ultimatum to IVF, JV, and Rio to contribute more or face destruction
And now he have done it. His going after Nothoi's dukes as a judge and this may cause the realm to explode
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If that recent attack on Iknopata was any indication of Nothoi's capabilities, i have to wonder how they lasted this long to begin with...
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If that recent attack on Iknopata was any indication of Nothoi's capabilities, i have to wonder how they lasted this long to begin with...
TBH te realm was pretty tight and capable before, the problem is that most of the active/leaders kind of toke a step back, so now the realm is messy.
We didn't conquered what we did out of luck.
Plus we are alone on this now.
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Not alone, but you may as well be. Those of Nothoi's allies who are not toothless are too far away from the front to make any difference offensively.
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So what fun things have I missed? The north still winning the good fight?
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Thalmarkin, Ar Gyr, Fronen, Old Grehk, Spearhold, and Gotland have united the north.
Caelum and Nothoi are currently holding the line against the north. Sometimes the line moves north. Sometimes it moves south. Right now it is moving south.
Riombara and the various Vales are playing with themselves and...stuff...
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Thalmarkin, Ar Gyr, Fronen, Old Grehk, Spearhold, and Gotland have united the north.
Caelum and Nothoi are currently holding the line against the north. Sometimes the line moves north. Sometimes it moves south. Right now it is moving south.
Riombara and the various Vales are playing with themselves and...stuff...
Actually there is only one Vale now, and it is turning its attention north.
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One thing I have learned about lands of Enweil is that...ever since Enweil fell there has ever been strife in those lands...
;)
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Actually there is only one Vale now, and it is turning its attention north.
One Vale to rule them all!
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One Vale to rule them all!
Well, as soon as we get a Ruler. And a General. Oh, a Banker would be nice too. Maybe a Judge also, we'll see how things go. :P
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Im the new ruler of Fronen. Its been a very long time since I've played on Bel. Need to catch up on recent history.
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Im the new ruler of Fronen. Its been a very long time since I've played on Bel. Need to catch up on recent history.
No Kidding? Welcome back Glaum!
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No Kidding? Welcome back Glaum!
Yea! Having fun. Good to see old faces.
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bumbed on this video at tube and this is for honor of Fingolfin... Looking this i feel like after this invasion when OO has killed all the bugs he will prolly claim King of Kings title to himself :)
https://youtu.be/Q4PqD6CF7nU