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BattleMaster => Locals => Dwilight => Topic started by: Woelfy on January 09, 2013, 11:04:32 PM
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Swordfell!
Oh dear god what have I done....
Bowie might be the death of me.
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A little late, January first is over a week behind us!
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That's a nice nest you've made. Sorry I could not resist kicking it. I wonder how many wasps there are in there? :-)
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Hahaha, mechanics messed up the timeframe, and by mechanics I mean the confusion regarding them.
No worries vonGenf! It's a valid query ;)
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a) Congrats!
b) \/\/\/
Letter from Constantine Meneldur (14 hours, 9 minutes ago)
Message sent to all full members of "Sanguis Astroism" (59 recipients)
Acting-Grandmaster Sevastian,
For the sake of clarify would you might divulging the identity of this Imperator-elect? I have heard rumors that he is none other than the vile degenerate Bowie Ironsides, known for his dislike of Sanguis Astrosim and campaign to secularise Morek. Is this true?
Vile degenerate. Yup. That's Bowie.
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Awesome!
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Poor defenses, few recruitment centers, hunger, Bowie, ... I give this project about 6 months before it goes belly-up ;D
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Yeah should all just join one big happy kingdom and not even try... Its just so hard...
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Great idea. I'd love joining, but my character's caught up already.
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Oh, look Ma! There's a forum topic on Swordfell!
All the rumours you heard about Bowie are true, especially the ones told by those snake tongued red-tailed theocrat Astromancers!
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Bowie ate my homework... :'(
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Poor defenses, few recruitment centers, hunger, Bowie, ... I give this project about 6 months before it goes belly-up ;D
Honestly, I think you are giving it about 5 months too long.
It's been nonstop drama since secession. Having a logically laid out plan that got approved by over 20 people is obviously /not/ the smart way to do this, instead we should all be selfish parts like Bowie, trying to act hard when you've got /no/ power to be hard with.
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They said the same about Thulsoma and Asylon... Wait a minute... Maybe I should head over wage a coup, install a monarchy, declare war on Morek! 8)
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Great idea. I'd love joining, but my character's caught up already.
I would also join, but I am in a similar position :'(
That area is my favourite spot on Dwilight.
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It's the best geographical location (the divides, and yes it's just opinion), and it's well on its way to development.
No matter what, Sevastian Guile will be in the mountains, so if you guys get bored, come help me expand!
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damn one character limit in Dwilight!
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Yay one character limit on Dwilight! \o/
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It's looking like it'll be two new realms.
/me sighs.
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Hey Woelfy, put our contest on the courthouse boards. I am interested to see what the other players think. I believe you are incorrect. Of course this has turned into an epic life and death struggle (so soon! and here poor Bowie thought he finally found his sanctuary). It's worth a look see for the others.
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Hey Woelfy, put our contest on the courthouse boards. I am interested to see what the other players think. I believe you are incorrect. Of course this has turned into an epic life and death struggle (so soon! and here poor Bowie thought he finally found his sanctuary). It's worth a look see for the others.
It's not a contest mate. Plain and simple.
I enjoy the IC way we are spinning it, but that is seperate from the issue at hand.
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What better way for a Republic to be born than through strife? Political parties already setting up, Judges judging people harshly. It's interesting to say the least.
How much did I miss in the "Fellish Assembly"? Was it always like this?
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It definitely wasn't this heated, I can say that much. Sevastian wasn't threatened in the Assembly.
That was Bowie's largest mistake so far.
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So we have a realm setup by Morek with a Lurian steward setting up the secession, non-Astroist immigrant to be the ruler, and a judge who abdicated in disgust of the infighting. Several people have already taken sides, several people have come out as moderates. We still have almost half of the territory to TO, starving/depopulated zones, and we still haven't decided on the names of the duchies.
Not bad for a 2 day old realm with 12 people :P. At least it'll be spring tomorrow.
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So we have a realm setup by Morek with a Lurian steward setting up the secession, non-Astroist immigrant to be the ruler, and a judge who abdicated in disgust of the infighting. Several people have already taken sides, several people have come out as moderates. We still have almost half of the territory to TO, starving/depopulated zones, and we still haven't decided on the names of the duchies.
Not bad for a 2 day old realm with 12 people :P. At least it'll be spring tomorrow.
Don't worry, I'm on my way to wreak even more havoc!
Just... uhh... gimme 30 days to get there >:(
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Thanks for taking the heat off of the Farronite Republic. ^_^
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Thanks for taking the heat off of the Farronite Republic. ^_^
What did he do?
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So we have a realm setup by Morek with a Lurian steward setting up the secession, non-Astroist immigrant to be the ruler, and a judge who abdicated in disgust of the infighting. Several people have already taken sides, several people have come out as moderates. We still have almost half of the territory to TO, starving/depopulated zones, and we still haven't decided on the names of the duchies.
Not bad for a 2 day old realm with 12 people :P. At least it'll be spring tomorrow.
Spoiler alert!!!
Bowie isn't to be ruler anymore, not so long as Sevastian draws breath. He crossed a line threatening the Ducal Seat of the Courts of Stone. Anyone would be better than Bowie, in sev's eyes.
Silly thing is, no one is really in any position to do anything to Sevastian except for Abbigal. And even then, the secession of Flowrestown wouldn't be a terrible thing.
/me gets to play in his mountain sandbox, so... Gravel box?
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Bowie's far from perfect. It's part of his charm.
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And yet Machiavel had quite a bit riding on his ascendancy. Not exactly picking the winning horses, is he? ;)
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I spent days trying to start a war with my EC character. Insulted Queen/Judge/General of a foreign realm (at the same time some other of my fellow countrymen were bounty hunting their nobles). Nothing happens. I try to make everyone get along in Swordfell....BAM. A war brews.
I wonder if I'll get a chance to ambush a king this time. ;D
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And yet Machiavel had quite a bit riding on his ascendancy. Not exactly picking the winning horses, is he? ;)
The same could be said of Malus picking Fulco over Sevastian ;)
I spent days trying to start a war with my EC character. Insulted Queen/Judge/General of a foreign realm (at the same time some other of my fellow countrymen were bounty hunting their nobles). Nothing happens. I try to make everyone get along in Swordfell....BAM. A war brews.
I wonder if I'll get a chance to ambush a king this time. ;D
Hahaha, EC is a pain to get things moving in unless you are already established. Dwilight on the other hand is a powder keg, well Central and Lower Toprak are.
Ambush Sevastian all you want, he's rather used to it. Just be prepared for shenanigans in return!
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The same could be said of Malus picking Fulco over Sevastian ;)
How dare you! He didn't pick Fulco. He was trolled by Allison!
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How dare you! He didn't pick Fulco. He was trolled by Allison!
Hahaha, and now trolled by Woelfy.
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Silly thing is, no one is really in any position to do anything to Sevastian except for Abbigal. And even then, the secession of Flowrestown wouldn't be a terrible thing.
I am trying to figure out if I should be insulted for being called silly? or having it being inferred. Though it will be a long battle Abbigial does not plan on leaving Swordfell willingly.
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I am trying to figure out if I should be insulted for being called silly? or having it being inferred. Though it will be a long battle Abbigial does not plan on leaving Swordfell willingly.
He was implying that the fact that all but one person can't do anything to Sevastion and that even the one person can't do much, not that the one person was silly IMO.
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He was implying that the fact that all but one person can't do anything to Sevastion and that even the one person can't do much, not that the one person was silly IMO.
Precisely, it was in no way a reflection upon Abbigal, whom as a player I adore, but as a character (Sevastian) feel rather indifferent towards.
And it makes me glad to hear you won't just give up easily. I do hope you are prepared to watch Bowie get banned for his threats against a Duke of the realm though. Lurian law is... Harsh, at best. And the Divides fall under Lurian Law.
God I love my character.
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Yay hullabaloo! First drama I get to see / experience.
Looking forward to seeing how the rest plays out, seeing everything so far has been quite entertaining.
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I find it interesting that you are wanting to impose Lurian laws against Bowie. How is it that laws from a different group of people will be allowed to trump laws of the realm. How is it that the Court of Stone has laws that are different from the rest of the realm. How is it that I do not think anyone else knows that these laws are in effect in Swordfell?
Things are turning out to be interesting to be the least. Right now I think Sevastian is quickly becoming the biggest threat to Swordfell as he seems determined to divide the realm. Do not know if this is on purpose or not but we shall see. I can see where Bowie could be a possible threat to Swordfell as well but as of yet he is not in position to nor has he done anything to go against swordfell other then wanting Sevatian so step down right away.
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A. I find it interesting that you are wanting to impose Lurian laws against Bowie. How is it that laws from a different group of people will be allowed to trump laws of the realm.
B. I can see where Bowie could be a possible threat to Swordfell as well but as of yet he is not in position to nor has he done anything to go against swordfell other then wanting Sevatian so step down right away.
A. Sevastian is Lurian. It has been overly stated a million times that his identity is everything and within his domain (his duchy fully, and his region overly) Lurian law and rights are to be upheld.
B. Bowie threatened a Duke of the Realm, after previously having promised said duke semi-autonomous power. He has ordered a disruption of the plan laid out by the Fellish Assembly of Morek. His ties with Allison and the 'Moot are also extremely suspect.
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The 'moot's at war against SA's enemies, I hardly see links with it as suspicious.
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A. Sevastian is Lurian. It has been overly stated a million times that his identity is everything and within his domain (his duchy fully, and his region overly) Lurian law and rights are to be upheld.
B. Bowie threatened a Duke of the Realm, after previously having promised said duke semi-autonomous power. He has ordered a disruption of the plan laid out by the Fellish Assembly of Morek. His ties with Allison and the 'Moot are also extremely suspect.
A)As Sevastian is not the Judge though he does not control the Laws of Swordfell. So once again how can Lurian rights and laws trump the laws of Swordfell. Lurian Laws where not written into the laws of Swordfell and since I know little about them I do not know how they compare to the laws of Swordfell.
B)Sevastian has refused to step down at the request and order of the ruler elect.(not going to argue again if it was rignt or wrong to be be asked) In the end a request and order of the ruler should be listened to. Sevastian has caused the Judge to step down.(once again not going to argue if said person was right for the job). Sevastian is determine to divide the realm based on the two duchies instead of bringing them together under one realm. This is evident by the fact that he has told Abigial that is she does not like the way things are going she can leave and the way he talk about his regions and his duchy being his own personal claim and under his power. As far as Sevastian is concerned Swordfell would be better off if was just him and his own Duchy an un-taken over regions that he lays claim to. Overall With the exception of returning Abbigal's duchy to her and creating the realm Sevastian has done little to bring the realm together.
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If Swordfell was just BR and the Divides it'd fold faster than shirts at a chinese laundry service.
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The 'moot's at war against SA's enemies, I hardly see links with it as suspicious.
ikr? In SA discussion it was like "he maybe hates SA, and has ties with Allison, and maybe the Moot" and people were like "OH MY GOD. THE MOOT?"
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It's like someone tells you that they commit arson, murder, and jaywalking and you say "NOT JAYWALKING!?"
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ikr? In SA discussion it was like "he maybe hates SA, and has ties with Allison, and maybe the Moot" and people were like "OH MY GOD. THE MOOT?"
Because it implies there may be more to Swordfells formation than meets the eye.
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ikr? In SA discussion it was like "he maybe hates SA, and has ties with Allison, and maybe the Moot" and people were like "OH MY GOD. THE MOOT?"
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It's like someone tells you that they commit arson, murder, and jaywalking and you say "NOT JAYWALKING!?"
Priceless
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http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JaywalkingWillRuinYourLife (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JaywalkingWillRuinYourLife)
But it will!
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The cold hard truth is, Pike, that Sevastian holds the crown and the power in Swordfell. I've been maneuvering him back into a place of power since the debacle with Allison-Malus and Sun Hall.
I might not be the judge, but I can damn well choose how my character views law and what he does to uphold them. He was born and bred Lurian, if you honestly think that'd change in two months, you are being silly. Being Lurian is a big thing, to all of the characters who claim it. His duchy has /always/ been promised sovereign rule, and I'm not about to relinquish that because another character is upset.
Also, the referendums are comical.
Swordfell is Sevastian's, thanks to the crap Bowie put him through. I was quite clear that pushing him too far would lead to the exact opposite of the desired result. It's not my fault people don't listen.
It reminds me of the story about the two wolves living inside everyone, one good and one evil, the one that wins is the one that gets fed. So far, people have been shoving food at the evil wolf in Sevastian. Not a smart move if people really do want unification.
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ikr? In SA discussion it was like "he maybe hates SA, and has ties with Allison, and maybe the Moot" and people were like "OH MY GOD. THE MOOT?"
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It's like someone tells you that they commit arson, murder, and jaywalking and you say "NOT JAYWALKING!?"
Nice.
We inspire fear, even in the heart of our allies, and even when we are fighting their dreaded enemies. Damn we are awesome.
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His ties with Allison and the 'Moot are also extremely suspect.
*Spews juice from mouth.
I what!? Ties with Allison Kabrinski (she wanted to kill me)? The MOOT (except as an observer)? Hahahhahahahahaaaaahahahhahahahahhaha......hhahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!
Oh brother! Please, please, bring that up IC. PLEASE!
Swordfell for the Fellish! (not Sevastian!)
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How did Allison troll Malus.
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*Spews juice from mouth.
I what!? Ties with Allison Kabrinski (she wanted to kill me)? The MOOT (except as an observer)? Hahahhahahahahaaaaahahahhahahahahhaha......hhahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!
Oh brother! Please, please, bring that up IC. PLEASE!
Swordfell for the Fellish! (not Sevastian!)
It has already been brought up to the people that matter. Sevastian is doing some crazy politicking to do some crazy stuff right now. Sorry mate. It's what he does.
I will unfortunately repeat myself, in that Sevastian is first and foremost, and has been in every communication:
Lurian.
Born in Pian en Luries; a knight, a lord, a vice-marshal, a marshal, a general, and a betrayed king of Solaria; a Duke of the Empire under Fulco (short lived and rebellious as he may have been); and a recognized Lurian Duchy with autonomous power within Morek/Swordfell.
You agreed to it.
Sevastian was willing to just follow the plan and move along with how Bowie wanted things, until Bowie started acting like a child and causing dissent within 6 hours of secession. Sevastian has been pushed and pushed and pushed, and now he's planting his feet and setting his roots.
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*Spews juice from mouth.
I what!? Ties with Allison Kabrinski (she wanted to kill me)? The MOOT (except as an observer)? Hahahhahahahahaaaaahahahhahahahahhaha......hhahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!
Oh brother! Please, please, bring that up IC. PLEASE!
Swordfell for the Fellish! (not Sevastian!)
When Hireshmont heard Bowie Ironsides as being associated with the Moot, he just about pooped himself.
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...now he's planting his feet and setting his roots.
Otherwise defined as USURPATION! Boo! Hsss! Hss! You set yourself up for a hard fall. I never minded you being the Duke of BR and what not, but now you will lose all of that. So sorry, I tried not to let you tie that noose! Swing!
When Hireshmont heard Bowie Ironsides as being associated with the Moot, he just about pooped himself.
I know, eh! Bowie as a scoundrel, sure everyone knows that, but all of a sudden he's the octopus behind every conspiracy and secret society. Not too long ago a noble in the Morek Empire was caught doing some kind of back deal with D'Hara and apparently belonged to a secret society. Automatically Bowie was associated with it and suspected. It was hilarious!
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ikr? In SA discussion it was like "he maybe hates SA, and has ties with Allison, and maybe the Moot" and people were like "OH MY GOD. THE MOOT?"
I must have missed something. I don't remember any such reaction. As far as I know, no one in SA really gives a crap about the moot now that Allison is gone.
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A Morekian doing a secret deal with D'Hara? How come I wasn't aware of that, sounds something I'd be involved in.
And Swordfell looks like a fun place to be, right now. :P
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Otherwise defined as USURPATION! Boo! Hsss! Hss! You set yourself up for a hard fall. I never minded you being the Duke of BR and what not, but now you will lose all of that. So sorry, I tried not to let you tie that noose! Swing!
You made a public announcement that you would have Sevastian's duchy stripped from him, and his lordship. Don't even play like you haven't been the aggressor in this.
You shafted yourself in this one mate.
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Yea, eesh. You don't tell a duke you'll take everything from him. You just DO it before he realizes what's going on.
Being a power hungry ruler 101, eesh!
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Yea, eesh. You don't tell a duke you'll take everything from him. You just DO it before he realizes what's going on.
Being a power hungry ruler 101, eesh!
Precisely. For a change, we agree Chénier.
Being a Lurian Astroist is an interesting position I find my chracter in, particularly with his strengthened love of Morek.
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Precisely. For a change, we agree Chénier.
Being a Lurian Astroist is an interesting position I find my chracter in, particularly with his strengthened love of Morek.
A Luria Astroist vs a Morekian non-astroist. Nice. 8)
Bowie isn't the most reliable guy around, but he always creates interesting stuff.
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Don't even play like you haven't been the aggressor in this.
Aggressor? I asked you to resign, you refused. Hm, what to do what to do. I argued with you, you told me to sit down and wait (me, the guy rightfully chosen by the community to be ruler). Hm, what to do what to do. I ordered you, you disobeyed! Hm, what to do what to do. So I denounced you from the realm and branded you our enemy.
We should call this, The People of Swordfell Versus Sevastian the Brown!
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Aggressor? I asked you to resign, you refused. Hm, what to do what to do. I argued with you, you told me to sit down and wait (me, the guy rightfully chosen by the community to be ruler). Hm, what to do what to do. I ordered you, you disobeyed! Hm, what to do what to do. So I denounced you from the realm and branded you our enemy.
We should call this, The People of Swordfell Versus Sevastian the Brown!
No, you broke the plan by ordering and then threatening a duke of the realm. That's pretty damned aggressive, given the penalties that you were trying to force me to accept.
Also, that has to be one of the most pathetic monikers I've heard. You can do better than that mate.
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Oh boo hoo!
And I rather like your new name. It's both cheeky and emphatic. Very subtle and clever an insult.
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Oh boo hoo!
And I rather like your new name. It's both cheeky and emphatic. Very subtle and clever an insult.
You are the one going 'boo-hoo'.
Clever? It's toilet humour for gods sake. God the delusions run rampant lately.
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Everyone's always ready for a good poo joke.
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Everyone's always ready for a good poo joke.
Emphasis on the 'good' portion. Not just basic crass poo jokes.
The fact that fecal jokes have already sprung up in the realm disgusts me on a basic level. I mean... come on... At least be witty about it.
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You mean you haven't started caling him Bowie Brownsides yet? Or asked him if those "rust stains" on his trousers are really from his "iron sides"?
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Ahh Bowie Brownsides the Glaumring of the east...
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You mean you haven't started caling him Bowie Brownsides yet? Or asked him if those "rust stains" on his trousers are really from his "iron sides"?
See, at least there is some wit in that. Not just the basic statement that an individual is !@#$, no matter how censored it may be.
A point to Indirik.
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Hahhaa, Brownsides.
Submitted for the entertainment of this forum, here are the insults I've tossed at Duke Sevastian the Brown thus far, AND, I assert that I am the reigning Champion Insulteer. Ain't nobody slung insults like me.
Curtain call:
Duke Sevastian,
When you finally get around to getting off my seat I intend to have the cushion replaced. Reason being I do not believe you have the social civility to hygienically tend to your behind after you exit a swell brown. What's that? Do I detect the mockery a political analogy? Could it be that your departure from our realm after this scandal exactly parallel to the exit of a swell brown?
Duke Sevastian, you hold to your titles and your lands so closely that I am unable to tell where one begins and one ends. Well I've got news for you! I am going to bury you in your lands with your titles and write an epitaph for you. It reads: "Here lies Sevastian the Brown, buried alive with his only friend, a rat!"
I will state this though, you are the stain of our realm's foundation!
Mhmm, that's good insulting!
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No, that really isnt the worlds best insulting.
Go to a realm that has an insult contest, like arcaea did. You find things a lot better than simply stated poop jokes. At least change up the delivery, it makes Bowie seem like he's a pissed off 10 year old.
"Duke Sevastian, you hold to your titles and your lands so closely that I am unable to tell where one begins and one ends." - yes, that is rather the point. It's also quite historically accurate.
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Simply stated? I never once said the word poop! Only described it indirectly! Hm, delivery is poor you say, eh? Well maybe I am just warming up 8)
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More poop jokes! :D
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Simply stated? I never once said the word poop! Only described it indirectly! Hm, delivery is poor you say, eh? Well maybe I am just warming up 8)
And the fact that you think that makes them any better just goes to show what the level of your humour is.
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All you did was replace the word "!@#$" with the word "brown". Umm... yay? You could at least go for a good "yo momma" joke.
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Oh come on! No love for the sewer slandering? I can't just up and call him a piece of sh**, so I veiled it. VEILED, INDIRECTLY! That's the way nobles insult each other.
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All you did was replace the word "!@#$" with the word "brown". Umm... yay? You could at least go for a good "yo momma" joke.
Yo mamma, eh? Hmm...I got to write that down.
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Hahhaa, Brownsides.
Submitted for the entertainment of this forum, here are the insults I've tossed at Duke Sevastian the Brown thus far, AND, I assert that I am the reigning Champion Insulteer. Ain't nobody slung insults like me.
Curtain call:
Mhmm, that's good insulting!
FWIW, I just voted to rule one of your messages vulgar. Cheers!
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Indirect would lead to the intended victim not really knowing they had been insulted. Or delivering it in a way that could be interpreted as good or bad. Everyone *knows* you intended the bad, but you could reasonably make the claim that it was the good. Your references are blatantly direct. *Everyone* knows what you meant, and there's no possible alternate interpretation. That is not indirect.
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Oh come on! No love for the sewer slandering? I can't just up and call him a piece of sh**, so I veiled it. VEILED, INDIRECTLY! That's the way nobles insult each other.
That's the way that the children of nobles insult each other. With the level of worldliness and education Bowie has, I would expect far better.
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FWIW, I just voted to rule one of your messages vulgar. Cheers!
Hahaa, it wouldn't be a good debate without vulgarities! Much obliged.
...That is not indirect.
Aahh whatever, semantics. It was till fun.
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OOC, the jokes are pretty mediocre. IC, however, they are insulting and crass to the point of doing their job perfectly. Sevastion has been worked into a tizzy to the point of creating a power struggle. It's harder to take offense when someone gives you a genuinely funny jibe...but when they seem to roll on the floor by their own bad joke it makes anger much easier.
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Can someone please explain to me why a new realm was started with a Lurian Duke and Brom wasn't chosen to be the ruler of it? Cmon, my character is the one with the history in Luria. Bowie has nothing on me. At least some people like Brom, everyone hates Bowie.
Shoot, I didn't even get invited to the fun.
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Stop picking on my Bowie. :(
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All you did was replace the word "!@#$" with the word "brown". Umm... yay? You could at least go for a good "yo momma" joke.
Thou matriarch is so robust that 4 hordes of undead sprang from her backside.
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...everyone hates Bowie.
...His mom says he's cool....
Stop picking on my Bowie. :(
That's the essence of the character. He's the DEMON of Dwilight. Im glad for the chance to play him.
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That's the essence of the character. He's the DEMON of Dwilight. Im glad for the chance to play him.
And Dwilight is mine. Ipso Facto, Bowie's my demon. 8)
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And Dwilight is mine. Ipso Facto, Bowie's my demon. 8)
I'll fight you for Dwilight.
You vs me for the world.
Albeit, I'm choosing Allison as my champion. You wouldn't strike a girl would you?
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btw, you gave me an idea. We can just tell the Daimons that Bowie is claiming to be a Demon again and then they'll come in and just destroy Swordfell for kicks?
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That's the way that the children of nobles insult each other. With the level of worldliness and education Bowie has, I would expect far better.
Just saying I see you losing basically all power. Hopefully rebellion, maybe they all join Flowrestown's duchy and secede but same end result. You are being a tyrant in a republic, big no no. When its a republic, you shouldn't be saying the equalivant of I don't care what the people want, he insulted me so you can all screw off.
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Thou matriarch is so robust that 4 hordes of undead sprang from her backside.
Hahahaaa, genius!
The point of insulting Sevastian is to prove he's nothing to me. He says "oh, I'm a Duke. Oh, I'm in charge with the plan. I'm in control, oh, you're just a little knight and there is nothing you can do about it. Pish posh look at my rear end." Well, I can sure as hell insult him publicly! Let him get so worked up he pops! (which I think I may have accomplished). Then, his carcass can be carted out of Swordfell and we can carry on with our baby Republic. My poor dear Swordfell. I genuinely gave this one my bestest. The time Bowie spent in the Morek Empire was his most honest and legitimate time -EVER. And that's saying a lot since he pitched a political battle against theocratism (which was really fun).
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Can someone please explain to me why a new realm was started with a Lurian Duke and Brom wasn't chosen to be the ruler of it? Cmon, my character is the one with the history in Luria. Bowie has nothing on me. At least some people like Brom, everyone hates Bowie.
Shoot, I didn't even get invited to the fun.
You could always bring it up to Sevastian. He wasn't exactly chosen to be the ruler, but he was trusted with the duchy secession and the foundation of the realm itself. Bowie Ironsides got extremely impatient within six hours of the act of secession and began causing dissent to the point that he had threatened Sevastian's Ducal Seat (which Sevastian has held for far longer than he's even known Bowie). Based on the Legal status of wishing to depose a Lurian Duke (which Sevastian knows first hand), a ban for the offender and loss of status is the kindest of recourses. Swordfell has to appease not only their northern neighbours, but the Lurian south as well. This means distinct cultures (like Bowie and Sevastian had talked about well beforehand), and a detailed legal code.
Now we've got a Lurian Promachos and a solid bridge between Astroist North and Crazy Ass South, aka, Luria.
If people want to rebel over Bowie's tantrum, I really do not think I would enjoy playing with them, and wish them well on their way.
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Just saying I see you losing basically all power. Hopefully rebellion, maybe they all join Flowrestown's duchy and secede but same end result. You are being a tyrant in a republic, big no no. When its a republic, you shouldn't be saying the equalivant of I don't care what the people want, he insulted me so you can all screw off.
Republics aren't about what people want. They're about the realm's titans clashing for power in a perpetual armed peace.
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... The time Bowie spent in the Morek Empire was his most honest and legitimate time -EVER.
Like an ex-con turning a new leaf :D
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Republics aren't about what people want. They're about the realm's titans clashing for power in a perpetual armed peace.
Best line ever.
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...Bowie Ironsides got extremely impatient within six hours of the act of secession and began causing dissent to the point that he had threatened Sevastian's Ducal Seat (which Sevastian has held for far longer than he's even known Bowie).
He man, I felt the need to do my part in creating a realm I was involved in planning since the summer time. Sure you had said you were going to do things, but I asked you to step aside and let me do it. You refused!
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He man, I felt the need to do my part in creating a realm I was involved in planning since the summer time. Sure you had said you were going to do things, but I asked you to step aside and let me do it. You refused!
Hey Bowie, so you'll need a new Duke after you win....I've always liked the mountains....just saying.
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Well we are hiring a new Chancellor (judge), and since it is not allowed for the ruler (which is supposed to be Bowie) to hold lands it looks like we're hiring a new Duke too!
Send in your resume with references and we'll review it! Perhaps slip a bag of twenty gold pieces to get your papers to the top of the pile ;) Couldn't hurt...
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The point of insulting Sevastian is to prove he's nothing to me. He says "oh, I'm a Duke. Oh, I'm in charge with the plan. I'm in control, oh, you're just a little knight and there is nothing you can do about it. Pish posh look at my rear end." Well, I can sure as hell insult him publicly!
So... In order to prove he is nothing, you spend ample amounts of time writing poop jokes because you think Sevastian can be manipulated by such simple means? Bowie insulting him publicly only proves how desperate and feeble Bowie's grasp is on what is happening around him. He stepped too far trying to toy with Sevastian's sandbox.
The hard facts, regardless of how it is interpreted is that Sevastian was given the power and allegiance of a group of people in order to establish Swordfell. Before finishing that establishment and before the formal election (the one the game forces, not the referendum you slipped by in months ago), that would occur if Sevastian did step down, Bowie went off the deep end and began stirring up trouble. Now Sevastian is in a relatively untouchable position, and doesn't have to worry about Bowie.
Sevastian is loyal to the church, Morek, and Luria. He is the ideal candidate to keep people from attacking...
Except maybe those pesky D'Harans....
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Hey Bowie, so you'll need a new Duke after you win....I've always liked the mountains....just saying.
That was just great. Btw I doubt it will happen but both I and my character like Brom much more than Sevastion. No offense Woelfy.
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That was just great. Btw I doubt it will happen as both I and my character like Brom much more than Sevastion. No offense Woelfy.
I'm more than happy to have Brom around in mah kingdom. :D
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Well we are hiring a new Chancellor (judge), and since it is not allowed for the ruler (which is supposed to be Bowie) to hold lands it looks like we're hiring a new Duke too!
Send in your resume with references and we'll review it! Perhaps slip a bag of twenty gold pieces to get your papers to the top of the pile ;) Couldn't hurt...
Well last time I was judge my defense of the realm caused the realm to be destroyed. Nasty things bans can be.
The time before that I helped ban someone who had tried to assassinate my Queen. Later on I got kicked out of that realm twice by two different groups of people.
Oh, and if you let me join as Judge we'll have the Astroists in the north hate you, and the Lurians in the south hate me. Balance, in Balance's Retreat. Its perfect.
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Ok fine Woelfy, you can hold on to your titles and lands all you want but you're doing it all alone. And it will only be a matter of time before you're plucked out on account of you usurping our realm...so....hm.
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...Oh, and if you let me join as Judge we'll have the Astroists in the north hate you, and the Lurians in the south hate me....
How can I turn away someone with those credentials! And that kind of cloud around him! We'd be as close as brothers!
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Ok fine Woelfy, you can hold on to your titles and lands all you want but you're doing it all alone. And it will only be a matter of time before you're plucked out on account of you usurping our realm...so....hm.
Smh.
You really don't have any idea what's going on...
Realm wasn't usurped. Realm is being guided properly by someone not out solely for personal status and a bit of fame.
Particularly when said person has already vocalized their interests to destroy the established order.
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So... In order to prove he is nothing, you spend ample amounts of time writing poop jokes because you think Sevastian can be manipulated by such simple means? Bowie insulting him publicly only proves how desperate and feeble Bowie's grasp is on what is happening around him. He stepped too far trying to toy with Sevastian's sandbox.
The hard facts, regardless of how it is interpreted is that Sevastian was given the power and allegiance of a group of people in order to establish Swordfell. Before finishing that establishment and before the formal election (the one the game forces, not the referendum you slipped by in months ago), that would occur if Sevastian did step down, Bowie went off the deep end and began stirring up trouble. Now Sevastian is in a relatively untouchable position, and doesn't have to worry about Bowie.
Sevastian is loyal to the church, Morek, and Luria. He is the ideal candidate to keep people from attacking...
Except maybe those pesky D'Harans....
@first paragraph from the sounds of it, what Bowie was going for worked as you are having a tantrum in response from everything I have seen.
@second paragraph, AFAIK, you were only the one to found the realm because you whined about making the capital Balance's Retreat but my info is limited on this.
@last part, I think Morekians actually like Bowie more and I don't see Luria liking you that much considering you ditched them. As to the D'hara bit, you are right, as soon as we saw you were ruler everybody in House of Lords started freaking out until they were informed that Bowie was going to be ruler, not Sevastion.
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I'm more than happy to have Brom around in mah kingdom. :D
You just called the realm your kingdom and then try and say you are not usurping a republic.
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@last part, I think Morekians actually like Bowie more and I don't see Luria liking you that much considering you ditched them. As to the D'hara bit, you are right, as soon as we saw you were ruler everybody in House of Lords started freaking out until they were informed that Bowie was going to be ruler, not Sevastion.
That's pretty bad. If people like Bowie more than you, you're screwed.
You really don't have any idea what's going on...
Realm wasn't usurped. Realm is being guided properly by someone not out solely for personal status and a bit of fame.
Only a true Lurian could make that statement with a straight face.
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@first paragraph from the sounds of it, what Bowie was going for worked as you are having a tantrum in response from everything I have seen.
@second paragraph, AFAIK, you were only the one to found the realm because you whined about making the capital Balance's Retreat but my info is limited on this.
@last part, I think Morekians actually like Bowie more and I don't see Luria liking you that much considering you ditched them. As to the D'hara bit, you are right, as soon as we saw you were ruler everybody in House of Lords started freaking out until they were informed that Bowie was going to be ruler, not Sevastion.
No, what Bowie did to make me upset was an Ooc thing. IC, I'm just going along with the flow.
Whined, schemed, whatever you want to call it, it worked.
Morek is quite fond of Sevastian, and Luria has lifted the ban against Sevastian. He is working towards Swordfell joining the Halls of Luria as a nation, but the duchy at least will be part.
I figured Dhara would be in a tizzy, some Vesperi are too. Poor little fellas.
I'm not usurping anything from the republic. I'm denying Bowie the opportunity to f*** up central Toprak.
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...That's pretty bad. If people like Bowie more than you, you're screwed.
That's not an insult to the nobles who voted Bowie as Ruler of Swordfell is it? No one insults my brothers and sisters except me! Dhem's fightin words!
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..He is working towards Swordfell joining the Halls of Luria as a nation, but the duchy at least will be part...
Just so you know, we already have treaties in place securing the creation of Swordfell, signed by Mother Goose (M.E.), the Lurians and Corsanctum...so, what you're up to is what exactly? Smells like usurpation to me.
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That's not an insult to the nobles who voted Bowie as Ruler of Swordfell is it? No one insults my brothers and sisters except me! Dhem's fightin words!
An insult?
That's a complement. I assumed you wanted to be notorious.
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Just so you know, we already have treaties in place securing the creation of Swordfell, signed by Mother Goose (M.E.), the Lurians and Corsanctum...so, what you're up to is what exactly? Smells like usurpation to me.
Like I've stated clearly before: Bowie pushed Sevastian too far, and Sevastian has declared himself Princeps, Promachos, whatever term you wish to use.
Sevastian had been willing to succumb to Bowie's rule before Bowie showed his true colours.
Bowie should've had more patience.
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Just saying I see you losing basically all power. Hopefully rebellion, maybe they all join Flowrestown's duchy and secede but same end result. You are being a tyrant in a republic, big no no. When its a republic, you shouldn't be saying the equalivant of I don't care what the people want, he insulted me so you can all screw off.
Thankyou, right now that is my problem with him as well. Though like I have already stated before the chances of Flowerstowns Duchy seceding are just about nonexistent.l
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An insult?
That's a complement. I assumed you wanted to be notorious.
Mission Accomplished folks, 8)
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That's not an insult to the nobles who voted Bowie as Ruler of Swordfell is it? No one insults my brothers and sisters except me! Dhem's fightin words!
He was talking about the D'harans liking you more than Sevastion.
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Thankyou, right now that is my problem with him as well. Though like I have already stated before the chances of Flowerstowns Duchy seceding are just about nonexistent.l
I hope the chance increases if lords change duchy as that is what I was suggesting would happen first.
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Ya, exactly. The joke is if everybody hates Bowie and these people voted for him what does that make them?
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Like I've stated clearly before: Bowie pushed Sevastian too far, and Sevastian has declared himself Princeps, Promachos, whatever term you wish to use.
Sevastian had been willing to succumb to Bowie's rule before Bowie showed his true colours.
Bowie should've had more patience.
So what exactly did Bowie cause you to do if you are not usurping the realm?
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Ya, exactly. The joke is if everybody hates Bowie and these people voted for him what does that make them?
They might hate him but they think he will be a good ruler so that makes them all half crazy half awesome.
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...that makes them all half crazy half awesome.
What's even funnier is that a lot of them are Astromancers! And we all know how Bowie feels toward that political party! And he still won the election. Things that makes you go, hm.
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Morek is quite fond of Sevastian, and Luria has lifted the ban against Sevastian. He is working towards Swordfell joining the Halls of Luria as a nation, but the duchy at least will be part.
Toprak.
Once again it appears that you and you alone are doing deals without involving the realm. A bad thing for the Ruler of a republic. Trust was placed in you and looks like it was misplaced if you are so bent out of shape because of what one man does. The realm is more then just you and Bowie but this is basically turned into a pissing contest.
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They might hate him but they think he will be a good ruler so that makes them all half crazy half awesome.
guess we need to work harder if we are only Half Crazy awesome. Got to work towards complet crazy awsome.
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What's even funnier is that a lot of them are Astromancers! And we all know how Bowie feels toward that political party! And he still won the election. Things that makes you go, hm.
There has been quite the debate in SA about it but you have been continually defended by those of Swordfell and Morek as they basically say that you won't hurt the church and if you do they will take control of the situation or have Morek aid them in taking control if needed.
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Yep, this new realm just has to die it seems.
Perhaps Brom should join to help it along.
(P.S. Check the new signature for reference. Ironsides, I've included my updated resume there)
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There has been quite the debate in SA about it but you have been continually defended by those of Swordfell and Morek as they basically say that you won't hurt the church and if you do they will take control of the situation or have Morek aid them in taking control if needed.
I've seen auto de fe's at work and they are ruthless. I may be crazy but I'm not stupid. It's still funny to me that they've seen me politiking against their religion and they allow me the top post. *blush, I'm embarrassed.
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I hope the chance increases if lords change duchy as that is what I was suggesting would happen first.
Why the lords have not changed back I do not know. I have yet to bring it up. By all rights an this is something I think all involved would agree on. By all rights Sevastians duchy should have two regions. We shall see what happens in coming days. I will say things are interesting and fun. Its about time too.
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Once again it appears that you and you alone are doing deals without involving the realm. A bad thing for the Ruler of a republic. Trust was placed in you and looks like it was misplaced if you are so bent out of shape because of what one man does. The realm is more then just you and Bowie but this is basically turned into a pissing contest.
The members who have been devoted to the Courts knew full well of sevastian's plan to remain lurian. As the Courts of Stone have always been independent, Sevastian can do what he pleases with his land within the law. Only his Vassals have weight in ducal matters.
A shock, right? A Duke finally acting the part of one?
Now Sevastian has been harassed enough into just saying '!@#$ it' and doing what is necessary for the successful survival of Swordfell in the geopolitical cluster!@#$ that is central Toprak.
Please keep characters and individuals seperate. I am not my character, nor do I claim to own Swordfell.
My character claims the Divides, as every single person will tell you... But I,Woelfy, am not my character.
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Well we are hiring a new Chancellor (judge), and since it is not allowed for the ruler (which is supposed to be Bowie) to hold lands it looks like we're hiring a new Duke too!
Send in your resume with references and we'll review it! Perhaps slip a bag of twenty gold pieces to get your papers to the top of the pile ;) Couldn't hurt...
Urgh, not non-landed ruler rules!
Dukes need not be lords, though...
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I've seen auto de fe's at work and they are ruthless. I may be crazy but I'm not stupid. It's still funny to me that they've seen me politiking against their religion and they allow me the top post. *blush, I'm embarrassed.
The argument was then was that you would indirectly get rid of the church's influence by appointing nobles outside of SA duke so that they could in turn appoint lords that were outside of SA and then there would no longer be enough SA lords to keep you in check, though that would become where Morek would get involved if you did anything directly against SA like allowed temples of other faiths or destroyed SA temples. Also as to the politicking against SA and you get the the top spot, they had two main points, they trust you as far as secular matters go basically and that whether or not they at of SA does not change whether they will hurt the church because Allison was of the church yet did much damage and was bad/evil/whatever.
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The argument was then was that you would indirectly get rid of the church's influence by appointing nobles outside of SA duke so that they could in turn appoint lords that were outside of SA and then there would no longer be enough SA lords to keep you in check, ....
Ohh, well they installed a law that says only temples of SA can be created in Swordfell. Of course I argued that, they pretty much won a monopoly of religion in the realm even the creation of new religions, but the community outweighed me. Frown. Shrug. So I guess they covered that base.
I really don't mind the religion. It's when it decides who can and can't do things in the realm that really irks Bowie. The theocratic side, not the spiritual side. Anyone read the Ashrak Imperialist? That was an anti-theocratic work at my finest!
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The members who have been devoted to the Courts knew full well of sevastian's plan to remain lurian. As the Courts of Stone have always been independent, Sevastian can do what he pleases with his land within the law. Only his Vassals have weight in ducal matters.
A shock, right? A Duke finally acting the part of one?
Now Sevastian has been harassed enough into just saying '!@#$ it' and doing what is necessary for the successful survival of Swordfell in the geopolitical cluster!@#$ that is central Toprak.
Please keep characters and individuals seperate. I am not my character, nor do I claim to own Swordfell.
My character claims the Divides, as every single person will tell you... But I,Woelfy, am not my character.
You are acting more like you are your realm than acting like a duke. Also, maybe every member of the courts before the forced change if allegiance but I doubt every member of Swordfell knew that you were going to say you basically own the realm because all but Flowrestown is in your duchy and you have supreme rule within your duchy. You say your character has been forced to say !@#$ it and do what is best for Swordfell but firstly you are creating division between the entire realm which is bad and secondly please quit saying you are doing what's best and literally say what you are doing so I can know if your character is lying his ass off basically because he usurping the realm or whatever is actually happening. Lastly, I may say you but don't be so picky when you know I am referring to your character.
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A far greater and realistic threat for Morek is having a bunch of their realm leave their sphere of influence to join the Lurians. It's effectively a lurian takeover of southern Morek.
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Ohh, well they installed a law that says only temples of SA can be created in Swordfell. Of course I argued that, they pretty much won a monopoly of religion in the realm even the creation of new religions, but the community outweighed me. Frown. Shrug. So I guess they covered that base.
I really don't mind the religion. It's when it decides who can and can't do things in the realm that really irks Bowie. The theocratic side, not the spiritual side. Anyone read the Ashrak Imperialist? That was an anti-theocratic work at my finest!
This arguing was after they knew about that law because you might as ruler become a tyrant and attack the church/break the laws or something. As to the not minding the religion but the theocratic side that basically why SA is awesome, it's takes charge instead of doing nothing though IC you should eventually show you are not antiSA, that you just don't want them telling you what to do because everyone thinks you are an enemy of the church. As to the Ashrak Imperialist, I usually did read it and found it an interesting read and relatively well formatted.
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You are acting more like you are your realm than acting like a duke. Also, maybe every member of the courts before the forced change if allegiance but I doubt every member of Swordfell knew that you were going to say you basically own the realm because all but Flowrestown is in your duchy and you have supreme rule within your duchy. You say your character has been forced to say !@#$ it and do what is best for Swordfell but firstly you are creating division between the entire realm which is bad and secondly please quit saying you are doing what's best and literally say what you are doing so I can know if your character is lying his ass off basically because he usurping the realm or whatever is actually happening. Lastly, I may say you but don't be so picky when you know I am referring to your character.
Perhaps that is the real reason that Sevastian returned the Duchy of Flowerstwon so he could plot and plan behind Abbigal and Bowies back:)
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A far greater and realistic threat for Morek is having a bunch of their realm leave their sphere of influence to join the Lurians. It's effectively a lurian takeover of southern Morek.
As of right now that would be true, though think that may be working on being changed.
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This arguing was after they knew about that law because you might as ruler become a tyrant and attack the church/break the laws or something. As to the not minding the religion but the theocratic side that basically why SA is awesome, it's takes charge instead of doing nothing though IC you should eventually show you are not antiSA, that you just don't want them telling you what to do because everyone thinks you are an enemy of the church....
Nah, I don't want to smash the religion out. Swordfell, a Republic and not a Theocracy, was a victory enough for me!
Well Bowie can't just turn his coat regarding SA. He existed before they had real power and watched their rise, and he took his position based on that. But that's an old old story. So ya! Fun times!
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You are acting more like you are your realm than acting like a duke. Also, maybe every member of the courts before the forced change if allegiance but I doubt every member of Swordfell knew that you were going to say you basically own the realm because all but Flowrestown is in your duchy and you have supreme rule within your duchy. You say your character has been forced to say !@#$ it and do what is best for Swordfell but firstly you are creating division between the entire realm which is bad and secondly please quit saying you are doing what's best and literally say what you are doing so I can know if your character is lying his ass off basically because he usurping the realm or whatever is actually happening. Lastly, I may say you but don't be so picky when you know I am referring to your character.
First of all, you know nothing of my actions or what has transpired within Swordfell beyond OOC stuff or second-hand IC stuff at best. I suggest you leave the finer details of what is going on to those of us actually involved.
I am saying what I am doing literally, it's weird that it just so happens to be for the benefit of all right? Wrong. There are some players in this game that actually have plans that involve large numbers of others, it's craziness I know.
I wasn't saying you were coming at me personally Penchant, I was referring to Pike and the lack of clarity in the previous post.
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Hey buddy, do us a favour and resign, please. Swordfell means a lot to us and it is going to be scarred forever by this. Poor Erevos stepped down!
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First of all, you know nothing of my actions or what has transpired within Swordfell beyond OOC stuff or second-hand IC stuff at best. I suggest you leave the finer details of what is going on to those of us actually involved.
I am saying what I am doing literally, it's weird that it just so happens to be for the benefit of all right? Wrong. There are some players in this game that actually have plans that involve large numbers of others, it's craziness I know.
I wasn't saying you were coming at me personally Penchant, I was referring to Pike and the lack of clarity in the previous post.
Though the thing is as one with IC knowledge of what is going on in the realm I do not think he is to far off. Though I do not know what happens in your duchy as I am not part of it. I am sorry if I confuse characters and your identity here. If you thought I was comming after you as a player I am sorry. I do not have a problem with you as a player. Heck for the most part you are makeing things interesting and that is great.
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Remember folks, if there was no controversy, you'd be sitting in a region collecting taxes and building cartbuilders... Like I was!
And that's precisely why I'm on my way to swordfell 8)
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Remember folks, if there was no controversy, you'd be sitting in a region collecting taxes and building cartbuilders... Like I was!
And that's precisely why I'm on my way to swordfell 8)
And this is why I love you Augulus, mayhem commence!!
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First of all, you know nothing of my actions or what has transpired within Swordfell beyond OOC stuff or second-hand IC stuff at best. I suggest you leave the finer details of what is going on to those of us actually involved.
True, so I should have said it sounds like those things. Also, some of what I post isn't exactly what I mean as I am using an iPad so I commonly make mistakes in my typing plus autocorrect screws things up occasionally too so I try to it but miss things.I am saying what I am doing literally, it's weird that it just so happens to be for the benefit of all right? Wrong. There are some players in this game that actually have plans that involve large numbers of others, it's craziness I know.
You keep saying you are doing what's best for the realm but you aren't saying what that is that you are doing, which is what I want to know.I wasn't saying you were coming at me personally Penchant, I was referring to Pike and the lack of clarity in the previous post.
Ah, sorry I wasn't sure so I just kinda assumed it was the lack of me saying Sevastion when I was saying you.
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...mayhem commence!!
Sigh. Alrighhhht. Frown
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True, so I should have said it sounds like those things. Also, some of what I post isn't exactly what I mean as I am using an iPad so I commonly make mistakes in my typing plus autocorrect screws things up occasionally too so I try to it but miss things. You keep saying you are doing what's best for the realm but you aren't saying what that is that you are doing, which is what I want to know.Ah, sorry I wasn't sure so I just kinda assumed it was the lack of me saying Sevastion when I was saying you.
A. I use an iPad for everything, as the irc crowd will attest to. I constantly swear at my autocorrect, so I can relate. It does screw things up, it just takes patience to fix them. No worries mate.
B. I'm moving towards making Swordfell the sovereign buffer zone between Morek and Luria with security and ties to both. Some of my other plans don't need to be bandied about on the forums or anywhere really, so I won't divulge specifics.
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A. I use an iPad for everything, as the irc crowd will attest to. I constantly swear at my autocorrect, so I can relate. It does screw things up, it just takes patience to fix them. No worries mate.
B. I'm moving towards making Swordfell the sovereign buffer zone between Morek and Luria with security and ties to both. Some of my other plans don't need to be bandied about on the forums or anywhere really, so I won't divulge specifics.
A. That's good
B. Hmmm, I don't know how well the Lurian part of that will go or if it will ever completely sovereign because of SA but good luck with that. So what are you doing differently because of Bowie insulting/angering your character? You said previously because of how he acted you are now going to be acting different or something along those lines so that is why I ask.
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A. That's good
B. Hmmm, I don't know how well the Lurian part of that will go or if it will ever completely sovereign because of SA but good luck with that. So what are you doing differently because of Bowie insulting/angering your character? You said previously because of how he acted you are now going to be acting different or something along those lines so that is why I ask.
I had originally planned on moving the capital to Balance's Retreat and having Sevastian step down. Not now. Bowie goofed up hard by pushing Sevastian so far.
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So because Bowie Pushed to far Sevastian decides to do what Bowie accused him of in the first place. That makes perfect sense.
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So because Bowie Pushed to far Sevastian decides to do what Bowie accused him of in the first place. That makes perfect sense.
It does to me. But it's still a couple days off. Travel to BR is a pain.
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Then the next couple of days is bound to be some interesting letters and insults. Let us hope that the fun does not end after this is all sorted out. Though I just hope that the aim of the fun is a bit different is all I ask for.
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I had originally planned on moving the capital to Balance's Retreat and having Sevastian step down. Not now. Bowie goofed up hard by pushing Sevastian so far.
So basically you are making it so everyone agrees with Bowie because he accuses you of usurping the throne or something like that and then you usurped the throne. Just saying, not the greatest idea even if you think it's fair because Bowie gets to sit and go, "See! I told you he was usurping the throne and now he refuses to step down until elections!" So when is the next election for ruler in Swordfell?
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My character has been portrayed as being as 'mad as a hatter'...
What's an election?
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So when is the next election for ruler in Swordfell?
With the current setup there is the biggest problem in the world. The election will not happen untill Sevastion steps down. Which means for the moment Swordfell is basically screwed and stuck with Sevastian as a Ruler.
On a seperate note. How are elections set up are the hardcoded by type of governement or does the ruler get to decide the length of time and who gets to vote?
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It does to me.
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Only a true Lurian could make that statement with a straight face.
I'm hoping either we get a full on civil war or things calm down and you both stay in the realm with an ever growing feud between you. I see Balances Retreat and Flowrestown going to war...either literally or politically.
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With the current setup there is the biggest problem in the world. The election will not happen untill Sevastion steps down. Which means for the moment Swordfell is basically screwed and stuck with Sevastian as a Ruler.
On a seperate note. How are elections set up are the hardcoded by type of governement or does the ruler get to decide the length of time and who gets to vote?
i thought if you founded a republic it automatically does the quarterly system though it can all be changed by ruler. Check the realm page under info page to see if is set up with elections already or if its still appointment for realm council and election once for ruler.
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On a seperate note. How are elections set up are the hardcoded by type of governement or does the ruler get to decide the length of time and who gets to vote?
Swordfell is blessed to be 'stuck' with Sevastian. Infinitely better than having Bowie and his poop jokes on the throne,
Yes, rulers get to establish those details.
/me is chuckling evilly.
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I'm hoping either we get a full on civil war or things calm down and you both stay in the realm with an ever growing feud between you. I see Balances Retreat and Flowrestown going to war...either literally or politically.
Brom is not apart of Swordfell and I am pretty sure Abbigail doesn't plan fighting either, so who you think is in power in certain positions is off as Bowie, lord of nothing last I check is the one with the feud.
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Swordfell is blessed to be 'stuck' with Sevastian. Infinitely better than having Bowie and his poop jokes on the throne,
Yes, rulers get to establish those details.
/me is chuckling evilly.
Wait, if there are no elections and you don't plan on stepping down, you are totally usurping the realm in the biggest way possible when apart of a republic.
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So how long before anyone can secede a duchy or protest the ruler? Does this become a waiting game or does Sevastian hold all the chips?
Brom is not apart of Swordfell and I am pretty sure Abbigail doesn't plan fighting either, so who you think is in power in certain positions is off as Bowie, lord of nothing last I check is the one with the feud.
Eh, I think Abbigail would be fighting mad if she didn't get her election. You have to let women say what they want, else their wrath is legend.
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Wait, if there are no elections and you don't plan on stepping down, you are totally usurping the realm in the biggest way possible when apart of a republic.
Yes, at this point I'm turning a republic into an imperial republic. Well, my character is. But none of this is IG yet.
I'm rather disappointed that it came down to this, I was looking forward to basically retiring Sevastian and hanging out in my region building.
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So how long before anyone can secede a duchy or protest the ruler? Does this become a waiting game or does Sevastian hold all the chips?
Eh, I think Abbigail would be fighting mad if she didn't get her election. You have to let women say what they want, else their wrath is legend.
Yes, Sevastian currently holds all the chips. I thought that had been established long ago when it was stated that while he may not be Judge and able to ban people that he was the ruler and what he said goes. or something to that effect.
We will need to wait and see if Abbigal gets fighting mad. Just like Sevastian was pusshed by Bowie. What Sevastian is doing pushes others to do things they may not have been willing to do before.
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Yes, at this point I'm turning a republic into an imperial republic. Well, my character is. But none of this is IG yet.
I'm rather disappointed that it came down to this, I was looking forward to basically retiring Sevastian and hanging out in my region building.
Don't worry I don't see the realm sitting by doing nothing when you usurp their realm.
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We will need to wait and see if Abbigal gets fighting mad. Just like Sevastian was pusshed by Bowie. What Sevastian is doing pushes others to do things they may not have been willing to do before.
Like protest, rebel, or get as many region you can and secede.
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Don't worry I don't see the realm sitting by doing nothing when you usurp their realm.
We get it penchant, you are on board the Bowie dissent train. Your opinions are duly noted, and dismissed. And for God's sake, knock off the double posts.
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Yes, at this point I'm turning a republic into an imperial republic. Well, my character is. But none of this is IG yet.
I'm rather disappointed that it came down to this, I was looking forward to basically retiring Sevastian and hanging out in my region building.
Heck I think most of Swordfell would actually love the idea of a imperial republic. Though the problem is you basically must upspur the throne in order do do so since that is not what was decided upon before hand.
Heck there is still a chance for Sevastian to retire in peace..... but that would make things awfully quiet.
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Heck I think most of Swordfell would actually love the idea of a imperial republic. Though the problem is you basically must upspur the throne in order do do so since that is not what was decided upon before hand.
Heck there is still a chance for Sevastian to retire in peace..... but that would make things awfully quiet.
Well good, seems Sevastian just needs to find the proper delivery system for it.
Retirement in peace is a very minimal chance at this point, and you are right, it'd be too quiet. May as well keep on the path we are on.
I do wish it had come a few weeks in at least. Oh well, my character is in the best possible position for it.
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Like protest, rebel, or get as many region you can and secede.
The first two may happen depending on things go. The last one is not something that Abbigail would do. She ha already decided to invest her life in Swordfell. Also I tried playing with the buttons and as it stand right now Abbigail's Duchy can not be switched as it is the last city.
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We get it penchant, you are on board the Bowie dissent train. Your opinions are duly noted, and dismissed. And for God's sake, knock off the double posts.
Sorry if I was saying that too much and the double posts are because I tend to reply as I read so then I read more and respond to the other things as I see them. If the double posting is bothering you too much I can make sure to respond to everything in one post.
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Well good, seems Sevastian just needs to find the proper delivery system for it.
I think it is a bit late for that. Just like our friendly daemon did his usual thing a bit to early. I think Sevastian has shown is Lurian side a bit to early as well.
I think I am in the same boat as replying as I read. Though thats what happens when you find a hopping board that has gone from I think 5 pages to 11 now in one day.
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You know, a rebellion would help you strip Sevastian of his titles.
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Yes, Sevastian currently holds all the chips. I thought that had been established long ago when it was stated that while he may not be Judge and able to ban people that he was the ruler and what he said goes. or something to that effect.
We will need to wait and see if Abbigal gets fighting mad. Just like Sevastian was pusshed by Bowie. What Sevastian is doing pushes others to do things they may not have been willing to do before.
No he doesn't. He's the ruler, and duke of the capital? Means he can't secede, and means that a successful rebellion will put a ban on him. I suppose he could join Luria Nova... Or at least try. I'd love to see Morek's reaction to that.
Sevastian has power, sure. But unless the judge is on his side, he's also quite vulnerable.
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No he doesn't. He's the ruler, and duke of the capital? Means he can't secede, and means that a successful rebellion will put a ban on him. I suppose he could join Luria Nova... Or at least try. I'd love to see Morek's reaction to that.
Sevastian has power, sure. But unless the judge is on his side, he's also quite vulnerable.
Actually currently he is not even the Duke of the Captial yet though he is on his way to change that. I do not think he would secede though as he does want his own little realm.
Currently as the realm is still new we can not rebell so we must sit and wait.
Fore the time being there is NO judge so he does not have the judge on his aide. Though the judge is by appointment which means he could easily just put someone any who supports himself. Though that would of course give more reason for people do dislike him.
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Oh... So he can't even switch allegiance, nor secede. He's powerless, then. Protest him out, job done.
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I encourage you all to continue speculating about what Sevastian is up to, or what he is planning to be up to.
I will be keeping quiet until after the capital is transferred to keep some of the mystery and intrigue alive. It's been too entertaining to just give it up now.
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Oh... So he can't even switch allegiance, nor secede. He's powerless, then. Protest him out, job done.
Have a non-Astroist lead a protest against an Astroist leader. In a realm that is supposed to be preferential to Astroist interests.
Yep, that has no consequences.
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It's funny how impatient people game in a slow turn-based game like this.
Anyways, this has been a fun first event to be a part of. Though, I'm a bit disappointed by how some people have been reacting. Not to say it hasn't been entertaining, quite the opposite in fact.
I'm looking forward to seeing what happens in the near future.
Have a non-Astroist lead a protest against an Astroist leader. In a realm that is supposed to be preferential to Astroist interests.
Yep, that has no consequences.
Also, lol ^
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Anyways, this has been a fun first event to be a part of. Though, I'm a bit disappointed by how some people have been reacting. Not to say it hasn't been entertaining, quite the opposite in fact.
Yar, patience is a rare virtue these days.
I'm glad you've been enjoying yourself mate, that's my main goal (as a player). Some of the reactions have been disappointing, I agree, but for the most part the dialogue has been very well put together.
@Silverfire: what a poignant way to put it. ;)
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Clearly, someone needs to be removed.
Ah, but who?
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Clearly, someone needs to be removed.
Ah, but who?
I think it's rather clear. And Rabisu should like Sevastian anyway ;)
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I think it's rather clear. And Rabisu should like Sevastian anyway ;)
Well he was a priest at his wedding. And if you can't trust your own priest, who can you trust?
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Well he was a priest at his wedding. And if you can't trust your own priest, who can you trust?
Precisely! Besides, unless I am much mistaken, the two have not had anything but delightful correspondence. :)
Priests of SA aren't flaky and unreliable like those pesky Pyrists!
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Precisely! Besides, unless I am much mistaken, the two have not had anything but delightful correspondence. :)
Priests of SA aren't flaky and unreliable like those pesky Pyrists!
Have you met Brom's ex?
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Have you met Brom's ex?
Hahahaha, no, unfortunately my character has never had the pleasure outside of church channels of ever even hearing from Allison. Although she seems to have an obsessive thing about him and his wife. Jonsu and Sevastian make a stunning pair.
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Precisely! Besides, unless I am much mistaken, the two have not had anything but delightful correspondence. :)
Priests of SA aren't flaky and unreliable like those pesky Pyrists!
Rabisu's reliable enough - he's loyal to the church. He'd throw literally anyone else under the bus though, if it seemed like the right idea.
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Rabisu's reliable enough - he's loyal to the church. He'd throw literally anyone else under the bus though, if it seemed like the right idea.
No loyalty except to the church, interesting...
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No loyalty except to the church, interesting...
As it should be, of course.
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Have a Morekian lead a protest against a Lurian leader. In a realm that is supposed to be preferential to Astroist interests.
Yep, that has no consequences.
There, fixed that for you.
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This one is dedicated to Indirik. It's as delicate as a flower. And the aroma pleases a baby's nostrils :P
Sevastian! Thy mother accepts gold to please men, and I am convinced that you were the product of that union!
The context of that is after I found out Sevastian started forging letters.
And really, come on now, forging letters? Even in Bowie's worst days I'd never forge a letter. That's dishonest. Unforgivable! Say what you will about Bowie being crazy or outright rude but he is a very honest spoken person.
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The No Sebastian Club... Really?
Seriously? Can't you be a bit more creative / realistic? Is your noble really that juvenile and imbecilic?
Everyone's acting really brashly and not even trying to address a way to salvage the situation. I can't tell if it's because ego's are too bruised or because you don't care to try to make it better.
I hope that letter wasn't forged, Bowie, the stuff you say is ridiculous enough that nobody should be bothered to forge a letter.
Pike's the only person being semi-reasonable with her approach and the flooding's getting a little old (though I'm sure that's pretty commonplace for this type of event in BM). I wouldn't mind seeing things thought out in messages within smaller groups / 1 on 1 before it's brought to the attention of the whole realm. Otherwise what has already happened (i.e. the dilution of the weight of the discourse) will only continue and render the argument into nothing more than arbitrary inflammation (and honestly some parts of it seem like that already).
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A forgery? Ha.
God this whole thing is ridiculous.
/me continues pushing ahead with an Imperial Republic, so that the players of central Toprak don't get crushed by Bowie's incompetence and childish insults.
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Man, marching troops against Sevastian would be hilarious, but likely quite counter-productive.
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Yes, please give me an external threat to focus on instead of this silly stuff with Bowie.
He doesn't realize he isn't getting the throne, so may as well take the spotlight off him and his mental defects.
;)
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There is a clear and simple solution: Embrace D'Hara's manifest destiny and bow down to OUR imperialism.
CHEESE GOLD FOR EVERYONE!
Ahem, now that I got that out, am I to understand that Bowie accuses Guile of Forgery, and Guile counters by accusing Bowie of forging a Forgery? :o
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There is a clear and simple solution: Embrace D'Hara's manifest destiny and bow down to OUR imperialism. CHEESE GOLD FOR EVERYONE!
Ahem, now that I got that out, am I to understand that Bowie accuses Guile of Forgery, and Guile counters by accusing Bowie of forging a Forgery? :o
Lol, D'Haran imperialism. That's funny.
Yes, Bowie claims Guile is forging and Guile has laughed that accusation off. Bowie dug his own grave.
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The No Sebastian Club... Really?
Seriously? Can't you be a bit more creative / realistic? Is your noble really that juvenile and imbecilic?
Everyone's acting really brashly and not even trying to address a way to salvage the situation. I can't tell if it's because ego's are too bruised or because you don't care to try to make it better.
I hope that letter wasn't forged, Bowie, the stuff you say is ridiculous enough that nobody should be bothered to forge a letter.
Also, I attempted one on one prior to publicizing the conflict. Sevastian was the same way then as he is now.
Pike's the only person being semi-reasonable with her approach and the flooding's getting a little old (though I'm sure that's pretty commonplace for this type of event in BM). I wouldn't mind seeing things thought out in messages within smaller groups / 1 on 1 before it's brought to the attention of the whole realm. Otherwise what has already happened (i.e. the dilution of the weight of the discourse) will only continue and render the argument into nothing more than arbitrary inflammation (and honestly some parts of it seem like that already).
It absolutely is a forgery. Pal, your fearless leader is a liar and a usurper.
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Bowie, you miss the point. It doesn't matter whether or not it's a forgery. Anyone would be hard-pressed to show you in a worse light than you show yourself.
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What do you mean it doesn't matter? Forgery is a crime. A seriously dishonest thing to do. Rotten, that's what.
I exposed Sevastian as a self-interested tyrant. Sure I did it in a mega way but that's how Bowie rolls. Is anybody surprised? You're going to sink with him if you stay on his team.
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Oh noes!
I'm on the team of trying to not let your ridiculousness run rampant.
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I had expected you to keep your whining t
I exposed Sevastian as a self-interested tyrant. Sure I did it in a mega way but that's how Bowie rolls. Is anybody surprised? You're going to sink with him if you stay on his team.
Hahaha. Sevastian is a self-interested tyrant? That is the weakest propaganda ever.
Sevastian is trying to create stability in what is primed to be the most volatile arena on Dwilight. Yes, he refuses to step down for Bowie and will not do so until Bowie is banned, but he isn't out for himself. Crowns are more trouble than they are worth, Sevastian would be perfectly content to hang out in his stronghold building.
Too bad Bowie doesn't know how to listen. Insults and threats aren't the way to get someone to step down, after they seceded with /their/ duchy.
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I had expected you to keep your whining t
Hahaha. Sevastian is a self-interested tyrant? That is the weakest propaganda ever.
Sevastian is trying to create stability in what is primed to be the most volatile arena on Dwilight. Yes, he refuses to step down for Bowie and will not do so until Bowie is banned, but he isn't out for himself. Crowns are more trouble than they are worth, Sevastian would be perfectly content to hang out in his stronghold building.
Too bad Bowie doesn't know how to listen. Insults and threats aren't the way to get someone to step down, after they seceded with /their/ duchy.
As I understand it, the only reason you were the one to secede is because you whined about the capital having to be balances retreat. What I do know is that your duchy was only balances retreat and some other crap region so the crap about seceding with your duchy is a bit overused. Also, you are definitely a tyrant, whether or not a self-interested one is debateable but nonetheless you are tyrant.
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As I understand it, the only reason you were the one to secede is because you whined about the capital having to be balances retreat. What I do know is that your duchy was only balances retreat and some other crap region so the crap about seceding with your duchy is a bit overused. Also, you are definitely a tyrant, whether or not a self-interested one is debateable but nonetheless you are tyrant.
Penchant, you aren't even privvy to what is happening, why do you think your knowledge or opinions are true?
The only reason I was the one to secede is because I politicked my ass off about it. I put my foot down hard that i wouldnt step down from my ducal seat, and that was that. I feel like there are a lot of people ignoring the mechanics behind all of this.
You can discuss and twist it all you want. The fact remains that Sevastian fought to keep his duchy and managed to convince the remainder of Swordfell to join him. Until Bowie crossed a line (within hours of secession mind you), Sevastian was happily going to step down for him.
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I hope Bowie is alive when you fall, man. It'll be like watching Gollum jump into the lava after the Ring.
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Yes, please give me an external threat to focus on instead of this silly stuff with Bowie.
He doesn't realize he isn't getting the throne, so may as well take the spotlight off him and his mental defects.
;)
I am sure by now Bowie realized he is not getting the throne.
Sevastian is trying to create stability in what is primed to be the most volatile arena on Dwilight. Yes, he refuses to step down for Bowie and will not do so until Bowie is banned, but he isn't out for himself. Crowns are more trouble than they are worth, Sevastian would be perfectly content to hang out in his stronghold building.
Once again how does dividing the realm create stability. I am sure everyone agrees that Bowie will not be able to take the crown. Right now Abbigal wants the Crown just so that the two men will just shut up and begin working on the realm correctly.
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I am sure by now Bowie realized he is not getting the throne.
Once again how does dividing the realm create stability. I am sure everyone agrees that Bowie will not be able to take the crown. Right now Abbigal wants the Crown just so that the two men will just shut up and begin working on the realm correctly.
Dividing the realm isn't Sevastian's goal. People being resistant to some change is what is dividing the realm. Bowie and his fear seems to be infectious.
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Dividing the realm isn't Sevastian's goal. People being resistant to some change is what is dividing the realm. Bowie and his fear seems to be infectious.
Division of the realm may not be Sevastians goal but Sevastian is doing little to avoide it. Sevastian wants everyone to wait while he makes peace and allainces with foreign realms without involving the realm. And while he brings in more nobles that will be loyal to him.
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Sevastian has tried everything he can think of to avoid it, it's not my fault patience isn't a common virtue.
And yeah, he does want more loyal nobles. He's a Duke who has been recruiting for his Duchy. It's his right to do so.
It's not like he's doing anything unexpected or shocking. Geesh.
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Sevastian has tried everything he can think of to avoid it, it's not my fault patience isn't a common virtue.
And yeah, he does want more loyal nobles. He's a Duke who has been recruiting for his Duchy. It's his right to do so.
It's not like he's doing anything unexpected or shocking. Geesh.
Bull!@#$, Sevastian antaganizes everyone who does not agree with him. He has been just as bad wth insult and evrything else as Bowie has been. Then he is also insults other nobles because they will not submit to his needs.
I think you prove my point. Sevastion in bringing in nobles not to make the realm stronger but make his duchy stronger Sevastian could care less about the realm if they do not so what he wants.
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Sevastian has been backed into a corner, yeah, he's going to lash out at people being illogical. He hasn't insulted anyone but Bowie and Kiyth, who used the same weak poop jokes.
I prove that how? I am strengthening my duchy, and thereby strengthening the realm. That is simple logic. It isn't my job to care about your duchy, Pike. This isn't some kind of cuddle fest. Sevastian is not a cuddly fellow (unless you are his wife, Jonsu Himoura). Sevastian maintains his lands, and Abbigal maintains hers. Them working together determines how the realm progresses.
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I prove that how? I am strengthening my duchy, and thereby strengthening the realm. That is simple logic. It isn't my job to care about your duchy, Pike. This isn't some kind of cuddle fest. Sevastian is not a cuddly fellow (unless you are his wife, Jonsu Himoura). Sevastian maintains his lands, and Abbigal maintains hers. Them working together determines how the realm progresses.
If you are ruler, your job is to strengthen the realm, which isn't shown in that post as it basically an all I care is my duchy and nothing else as that's not my job.
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If you are ruler, your job is to strengthen the realm, which isn't shown in that post as it basically an all I care is my duchy and nothing else as that's not my job.
Sevastian is only a steward of the crown at this point. It's his job to transfer the capital.
Beyond that, Sevastian is a Duke. Which is why he hasn't attacked anyone for just calling him that, instead of Grandmaster.
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So Sevastian is a steward to the crown who is just to move the capital.. Yet has alreay played diplomat? Yes it does take time and most of the time has been spent not on ensuring that you will step down when the time comes but on the fact you wil not step down if people keep pushing
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So Sevastian is a steward to the crown who is just to move the capital.. Yet has alreay played diplomat? Yes it does take time and most of the time has been spent not on ensuring that you will step down when the time comes but on the fact you wil not step down if people keep pushing
A steward does what is necessary for the realm, regardless of how it may damage them personally. If you knew anything about Sevastian, you would know that he and King Turin aren't on the best of terms. It was a bit to swallow signing a peace treaty with the man who was betrothed to Sevastian's wife before he married her. Sorry if Sevastian gathering peace bothers you? Oh wait, no I'm not.
I don't have to keep repeating myself, my character was clear in the Fellish Assembly that he would follow a set plan. The idiots (read Bowie, kiyth, and Abbigal at this point) don't want to just shut up for two seconds and instead keep antagonizing Sevastian, which prompted my letter about the fact that I won't step down if pushed too far.
Damn, is it really this hard to understand?
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Sevastian has been backed into a corner, yeah, he's going to lash out at people being illogical. He hasn't insulted anyone but Bowie and Kiyth, who used the same weak poop jokes.
I prove that how? I am strengthening my duchy, and thereby strengthening the realm. That is simple logic. It isn't my job to care about your duchy, Pike.
Lessons from one Republic to another: In D'Hara, the order of importance is realm first, second, and last. Third is for the ally slot. Even D'Haran dukes, who like any other are notorious for jealously guarding what's theirs, follow this.
Buuut if you really must crack Swordfell in half, D'Hara could always use some new knights 8)
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Damn, is it really this hard to understand?
I confess that I find it very hard to understand. Please explain it again is though you are speaking to an elderly old woman.
Confronting a tyrant in a dramatic divisive way= maybe cost some public opinion
Creating irrevocable conflict so early= definitely worth the cost
Fanning the anger of an enemy with a noose around his neck= priceless!
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I confess that I find it very hard to understand. Please explain it again is though you are speaking to an elderly old woman.
Confronting a tyrant in a dramatic divisive way= maybe cost some public opinion
Creating irrevocable conflict so early= definitely worth the cost
Fanning the anger of an enemy with a noose around his neck= priceless!
Lulz
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Let's take a moment to remember all the other realms who have been brought down by simple forgery.
Then laff.
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Apparently the price of being imbecilic and covering up your selfishness (for lack of a better, more evident term) with trolling is not all the !@#$s you could've given.
I was excited about being a part of all of this but this sort of self-indulgence and not even letting the realm rest for a moment before stirring up a !@#$storm is not only selfish, but has been executed poorly at best, and has left me wanting and concerned. Concerned because this was not my impression of how people handled things in BM. My impression was that people can handle their characters having a disagreement without going overboard at the flick of a wrist and ruining not only an interesting event but what could've been an interesting controversy with nothing more than immaturity and a seeming lack of respect for the rest of the player community.
I don't know... I'm new. Maybe my standards are too high.
I don't want anyone else to get the wrong idea, this is largely directed at Bowie. From what I've witnessed Woelfy has been largely reactionary and Pike's been trying to salvage the mess.
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...I don't want anyone else to get the wrong idea, this is largely directed at Bowie. From what I've witnessed Woelfy has been largely reactionary and Pike's been trying to salvage the mess.
Buddy you have a really warped view of what's happening. Besides, do you know anything about Bowie? He's the Champion Insulteer of Dwilight. But nevermind, you and your fearless leader will have to find another realm to usurp!
GOOD NEWS EVERYONE! I found a way to protest Sevastian! He'll be deposed in short order! I'm going to throw the largest liberation party Dwilight has ever seen. Everyone is invited (except for you know who). Even the theocrats!
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One of the challenges of BattleMaster is finding a realm that matches your desired play style. There are a lot of realms across the islands. If the one you're in isn't right, try another one.
Bowie is definitely not typical. The character is played very over-the-top. Pretty much a charicature of a noble, I think. Definitely not a style that appeals to everyone. (Not my cup of tea, either.)
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One of the challenges of BattleMaster is finding a realm that matches your desired play style. There are a lot of realms across the islands. If the one you're in isn't right, try another one.
Bowie is definitely not typical. The character is played very over-the-top. Pretty much a charicature of a noble, I think. Definitely not a style that appeals to everyone. (Not my cup of tea, either.)
After your first noble I think it best to talk to someone when joining another continent so that you can find a realm beforehand that fits you and not guess (or a bit of an educated guess by checking wiki but talking to a player about how a realm is, is much better than wiki.) I spoke to someone before joining Dwilight and my character fits in perfectly in D'hara IMO.
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Apparently the price of being imbecilic and covering up your selfishness (for lack of a better, more evident term) with trolling is not all the !@#$s you could've given.
I was excited about being a part of all of this but this sort of self-indulgence and not even letting the realm rest for a moment before stirring up a !@#$storm is not only selfish, but has been executed poorly at best, and has left me wanting and concerned. Concerned because this was not my impression of how people handled things in BM. My impression was that people can handle their characters having a disagreement without going overboard at the flick of a wrist and ruining not only an interesting event but what could've been an interesting controversy with nothing more than immaturity and a seeming lack of respect for the rest of the player community.
I don't know... I'm new. Maybe my standards are too high.
I don't want anyone else to get the wrong idea, this is largely directed at Bowie. From what I've witnessed Woelfy has been largely reactionary and Pike's been trying to salvage the mess.
<----D'Hara lies that way 8)
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Buddy you have a really warped view of what's happening. Besides, do you know anything about Bowie? He's the Champion Insulteer of Dwilight. But nevermind, you and your fearless leader will have to find another realm to usurp!
GOOD NEWS EVERYONE! I found a way to protest Sevastian! He'll be deposed in short order! I'm going to throw the largest liberation party Dwilight has ever seen. Everyone is invited (except for you know who). Even the theocrats!
Self-proclaimed champion insulted of Dwilight. Be clear on that Ironsides. You have not shown a single bit of the depth of character that I've always heard Bowie had. I'm seriously disappointed.
A way to protest Sevastian? Interesting.
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Self-proclaimed champion insulted of Dwilight. Be clear on that Ironsides. You have not shown a single bit of the depth of character that I've always heard Bowie had. I'm seriously disappointed.
Bowie always appeared to me to be one of those people that intentionally was as blatantly insulting as he could possibly be, in order to try and publicly humiliate people in such a way that they had no choice but to duel him. It's like he's purposely trying to get as many people as possible to challenge him to a death duel as he can. And he makes it so blindingly obvious, and public enough, that he thinks that the target could not possibly refuse.
But at least he's not one of those morons who accompanies such insults with an OOC letter saying "I've insulted you, you *have* to duel me to the death OR YOU'RE A BAD PLAYER!"
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Bowie always appeared to me to be one of those people that intentionally was as blatantly insulting as he could possibly be, in order to try and publicly humiliate people in such a way that they had no choice but to duel him. It's like he's purposely trying to get as many people as possible to challenge him to a death duel as he can. And he makes it so blindingly obvious, and public enough, that he thinks that the target could not possibly refuse.
But at least he's not one of those morons who accompanies such insults with an OOC letter saying "I've insulted you, you *have* to duel me to the death OR YOU'RE A BAD PLAYER!"
It's funny, because he started in with the insults quickly, but the content of them was poor beyond belief. The funny part is that there is a law in Swordfell prohibiting personal insults and demanding of proper hierarchal respect.
We all see how /that/ went.
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Buddy you have a really warped view of what's happening. Besides, do you know anything about Bowie? He's the Champion Insulteer of Dwilight.
I don't care if you call yourself the Champion Insulteer. I haven't witnessed any oration that's beyond elementary.
As for finding a realm that suits you, I don't know that caricatures belong on Dwilight. I joined it for the serious medieval environment after discussing what that entailed on the IRC server.
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Thalryn,
While plotics like this are some what normal. How ugly they get depends on the people involved. I will admit that Bowie's character is outspoke and enjoys insulting and just about everything to make things a bit more colorful. Yes it does backfire often and this most recent case is one of the few times things have not simply blown over because BOTH sides will not let matters drop. Also while yes Wolfe/Sevastian has been playing a reactive game he has still been just as bad and stubborn about listing to other plans. Sevastian has pretty much gone against any attempt of Abbigals to bring peace to the realm.
I hope you do stick around more. This was not the road that any of the people involved in creating the new realm had planed for it. Overall Sevastian and Bowie I think are proving themselves to be people who are calm enough to be a ruler. Though more calm rulers are more boring so....
For Wolfe,
If Abbigal is the las you are talking about you have things mixed up a bit. Yes she is against Bowie and his vulgar Insults and Bowie has agreed to be punished should we ever get a judge again. As to hierarchal respect. That is not the case Sevastian does deserve to be respected as a noble and member of Swordfell. Him being duke does not get him in more respect as it has been stated that Swordfell believes in being able to voice your opinion ignoring rank as long as its respectfull. Which has failed misserable by quite a few people at this point. Also why should he Sevastian as Ruler when he does not belong in that position and Sevastian is not his Duke. You have already stated that Sevastian basically has the view each duchy is on their own. Sevastain can not complain because some outside his duchy does not agree to his views.
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For Wolfe,
If Abbigal is the las you are talking about you have things mixed up a bit. Yes she is against Bowie and his vulgar Insults and Bowie has agreed to be punished should we ever get a judge again. As to hierarchal respect. That is not the case Sevastian does deserve to be respected as a noble and member of Swordfell. Him being duke does not get him in more respect as it has been stated that Swordfell believes in being able to voice your opinion ignoring rank as long as its respectfull. Which has failed misserable by quite a few people at this point. Also why should he Sevastian as Ruler when he does not belong in that position and Sevastian is not his Duke. You have already stated that Sevastian basically has the view each duchy is on their own. Sevastain can not complain because some outside his duchy does not agree to his views.
That was a typo, I was trying to refer to the /law/ that prohibits insults or disrespect. Sorry for the confusion.
You are seriously trying to say that the position of Duke has no more importance and is worthy of no more respect than a regular Noble? I am flabbergasted at the mere thought.
This is an SMA island, not some cuddly rp place. If you want cuddly friends of all ages and status in life, I'd recommend the Sims.
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You are seriously trying to say that the position of Duke has no more importance and is worthy of no more respect than a regular Noble? I am flabbergasted at the mere thought.
When it comes to the ability to be able to speak ones words and opinions yes. Once again I would stress though that it is assumed that when they speak it would be in a respectfully manner. Just because Sevastian is a Duke does not mean he can talk down to and disrespect every other noble in the realm with the exception of Abbigal because they hold a lesser position then Duke. Which is what he is basically doing now. What does it prove when the supposed great and honorabl Duke starts spouting Insults to the ones who are insulting him? How does this prove him to be any better and therefore deserving more respect? Respect is something that should be earned even by a Duke. Right now Sevastain is doing precious little to earn respect. He is being as much of an ass as Bowie.
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When it comes to the ability to be able to speak ones words and opinions yes. Once again I would stress though that it is assumed that when they speak it would be in a respectfully manner. Just because Sevastian is a Duke does not mean he can talk down to and disrespect every other noble in the realm with the exception of Abbigal because they hold a lesser position then Duke. Which is what he is basically doing now. What does it prove when the supposed great and honorabl Duke starts spouting Insults to the ones who are insulting him? How does this prove him to be any better and therefore deserving more respect? Respect is something that should be earned even by a Duke. Right now Sevastain is doing precious little to earn respect. He is being as much of an ass as Bowie.
Actually, because Sevastian is a Duke, it means precisely that. If anyone comes at a duke with a tone, they should damn well expect one back. The people that Sevastian hasn't been disrespected by get plenty of respect. It's a two way street, Pike.
He has a Ducal Seat, that proves him to be 'better' by hierarchal law.
I'm not saying that Sevastian isn't being an ass, but he sure as hell is showing proper respect to the people deserving of it. Even with Abbigal disagreeing with him, he has remained polite and properly respectful IC, but that is because you haven't been overly insulting with your character and you are Sevastian's equal.
I'd like to know why you feel the need to complain about every single thing my character does IC, in an Ooc manner. Mind explaining?
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...Bowie is definitely not typical. The character is played very over-the-top. Pretty much a charicature of a noble, I think. Definitely not a style that appeals to everyone. (Not my cup of tea, either.)
In every society there are personalities like Bowie. He fills that niche. I based him (originally) off the Marquis de Sade and Cagliostro and wild guys like that, except a notch or two below because he's not a violent maniac. Other players are welcome to play the straight up rational and proper nobility. All that kneeling and butt kissing, not Bowie. Bowie is the kind of noble that his family would disapprove of and be embarrassed by at social events.
Again, he's that niche. The wild card! If you want to say he's morally/characteristically wrong that's your opinion. He exists in the world and he behaves as he is meant to. There are other players who play their characters in a different way that I don't approve of but that's when Bowie gets to have all the more fun! By ridiculing them! By testing their patience and so called noble composure. (This counts for you too Indirik, your character and Bowie had their spats in the past :) )
Bowie is very much a nobleman. Very much!
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I have a question for those who have been reading this and for anyone Actually in Swordfell. From the way you see things does it sound like Swordfell has broken from the Serious Medieval Atmosphere because it wants to create a realm where its nobles can speak without regard for Rank being an issue if it is done respectfully. Where a knight can openly disagree with a Duke and it not bee the end of the world. This is also given the fact that it states in the laws that everyone is free to speak.
Woefly please do not chime in on this quite yet. I would like to here from some others first.
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I hate to deny you your request Pike, but you are twisting my words and I cannot abide that.
The freedom of speech is inherent for all nobles. So far, the issue that i have is that no one has tried being properly respectful based on the hierarchy. Well, not no one, but only a few players in the realm.
The very notion of 'equality' is not a medieval concept. Not in the way you have described it to me. No Knight is on par with a Duke.
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The very notion of 'equality' is not a medieval concept. Not in the way you have described it to me. No Knight is on par with a Duke.
Is the Prophet of SA at least on par with a Duke? His feudal ranking is just that of a knight.
What about ex-rulers of realms? Do they hold some inherent extra respect as knights and could be considered on par with current dukes?
What about knights who used to hold ducal seats?
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Is the Prophet of SA at least on par with a Duke? His feudal ranking is just that of a knight.
What about ex-rulers of realms? Do they hold some inherent extra respect as knights and could be considered on par with current dukes?
What about knights who used to hold ducal seats?
On a feudal level, the prophet is a knight. No matter what his status within the church. He has additional respect because of his position in the church, not as a landed noble. They are seperate entities.
I try to give ample respect to former-rulers, provided I know of them. But that comes down to knowledge and individual.
Former Dukes, although deserving of respect, still lack the title and are not /demanding/ of respect on a base level.
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On a feudal level, the prophet is a knight. No matter what his status within the church. He has additional respect because of his position in the church, not as a landed noble. They are seperate entities.
I try to give ample respect to former-rulers, provided I know of them. But that comes down to knowledge and individual.
Former Dukes, although deserving of respect, still lack the title and are not /demanding/ of respect on a base level.
Interesting. I have different opinions. Anyway, this was off topic, but I'm gonna split this as a new thread on GD.
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I hate to deny you your request Pike, but you are twisting my words and I cannot abide that.
The freedom of speech is inherent for all nobles. So far, the issue that i have is that no one has tried being properly respectful based on the hierarchy. Well, not no one, but only a few players in the realm.
The very notion of 'equality' is not a medieval concept. Not in the way you have described it to me. No Knight is on par with a Duke.
So far most of what has happend has been simply words so there is no reason to claim being disrespctfull based on the hierarchy. With one excpetion. That being that Bowie being a knight of Flowerstown (and proper elected Ruler) gave orders to Sevastion a Duke(Current steward of the realm). Other then that where have there been anything other then words where you can claim that the hierarchy was ignored.
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I hate to deny you your request Pike, but you are twisting my words and I cannot abide that.
The freedom of speech is inherent for all nobles. So far, the issue that i have is that no one has tried being properly respectful based on the hierarchy. Well, not no one, but only a few players in the realm.
The very notion of 'equality' is not a medieval concept. Not in the way you have described it to me. No Knight is on par with a Duke.
Republicanism and Democracy are both allowed on Dwilight yet they are not in any medieval either and they are on the basis of all nobles being equals or with republics, lords and dukes being equal so your argument doesn't really hold up, IMO.
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I don't think your idea of equality in republics/democracies is valid. All nobles are *not* equal, regardless of government style. Unless you go with the "some people are more equal than others" philosophy.
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So far most of what has happend has been simply words so there is no reason to claim being disrespctfull based on the hierarchy. With one excpetion. That being that Bowie being a knight of Flowerstown (and proper elected Ruler) gave orders to Sevastion a Duke(Current steward of the realm). Other then that where have there been anything other then words where you can claim that the hierarchy was ignored.
Kiyth and his outburst (let alone that nonsense about the ice king). Erevos and her outburst. Bowie and almost every word out of his mouth towards Sevastian post-secession. Need I continue?
When has it ever been said that a Lord and a Duke are equal in any sort of government in BM?
Dukes, being the lords that are 'above' lords, by default have more say as they have the allegiance of the 'lower' lords.
You genuinely want to try and tell me that the Duke of Aquitane is worthy of only as much respect as a Baron or Earl within /his/ domain? Let alone what a foreigner would view that as...
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The intention behind Swordfell was to create a community realm. That's why our government options were democracy and republic, that's why we intend to have a free spoken society.
Legally SMA or not we wanted to have fun together.
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Is the Prophet of SA at least on par with a Duke? His feudal ranking is just that of a knight.
What about ex-rulers of realms? Do they hold some inherent extra respect as knights and could be considered on par with current dukes?
What about knights who used to hold ducal seats?
Just because you aren't a lord right now, doesn't mean you are a "mere knight". A royal, an elder of a religion, and a heir elect are all people who may not be landed but who are in many cases superior in the social hierarchy than most who are actually landed.
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Kiyth and his outburst (let alone that nonsense about the ice king). Erevos and her outburst. Bowie and almost every word out of his mouth towards Sevastian post-secession. Need I continue?
Once again all of that has been WORDS in a heated debate caused by Sevastian not stepping down. Yes Bowie was being his typical self and pushed alot. Yet other then him attempting to stripe Sevastian of his titles(which he was powerless to do right now). What actions have been done in disrespect of the hierarchy. Yes Bowie has been verry disprespectful, Kiyth borderline. Lady Erevos outburst if anything was not aimed at Sevastian much anyway. So other then words where has the Hirearcy of respect been broken?
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/me facepalms.
Pike, you really just don't seem to understand the issue at hand. Nor do you understand what the catalyst for any of this was, even with your 'submitted letters' from Bowie.
At this point, I am done trying to explain it.
Like I've said before, if you want some p.c., equal, cuddlefest...
Go buy the Sims.
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I have a question for those who have been reading this and for anyone Actually in Swordfell. From the way you see things does it sound like Swordfell has broken from the Serious Medieval Atmosphere because it wants to create a realm where its nobles can speak without regard for Rank being an issue if it is done respectfully. Where a knight can openly disagree with a Duke and it not bee the end of the world. This is also given the fact that it states in the laws that everyone is free to speak.
Woefly please do not chime in on this quite yet. I would like to here from some others first.
Yes, I do think it has broken from the idea of SMA. In my mind much of the SMA 'transgression' comes from how the conflict was handled. It's just too much. It's just aggravating.
And Bowie, that's fine if that's your justifications but you could at least be considerate of other players. Wailing from day 1 of swordfell's creation has made the whole thing really unpleasant, regardless of who has contributed to the unpleasantries. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way.
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...Wailing from day 1 of swordfell's creation has made the whole thing really unpleasant, regardless of who has contributed to the unpleasantries...
Well it's not like I started the conflict middle fingers flying. It began with a request, then it turned into a disagreement, and then an argument and then an ultimatum, and THAT'S when it went public. I attempted my end of "negotiating" but I also know when to draw a line and back it up.
...Go buy the Sims.
Or you could just leave Swordfell. All of us want to play together fairly, equally, and communally. Sevastian is not a team player because he obsesses over his lands and personal status too much. We can't have a community with an autocrat. That right there's the gist of the whole fishfry.
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The ability for everyone in the realm to speak their mind, within the limits of respect an courtesy, is important for all realms. I think is a core concept for BattleMaster, and is vital to an enjoyable game. I have never seen a realm that tries to limit free speech beyond the "be courteous" guideline. I don't think that this requires any kind of "we're all equal" nonsense. I suppose it could be an idea for some democratic realm concept... but it seems like it would be very easy to go too far with it.
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From the way you see things does it sound like Swordfell has broken from the Serious Medieval Atmosphere because it wants to create a realm where its nobles can speak without regard for Rank
I don't think it breaks SMA. It is serious, it is antiquity (although perhaps more Roman/Greek BCE than medieval). It sets atmosphere. So far, the only people slinging insults and demands are those in power. A ruler-elect and a steward-elect are about equal station and can be expected to mud sling.
Honestly, the 'speaking without regard for Rank' is more of a 'dang...that looks pretty on paper'. We are a republic. If the tops don't like what someone on the bottom has to say, no one has power to stop them from throwing that rule out the window. It sets a dynamic that is absent, I think. Other realms, everyone knows they'll get hell for being a dick to the king...in a free-speech republic, you get enough rope to hang yourself.
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/me facepalms.
Pike, you really just don't seem to understand the issue at hand. Nor do you understand what the
Like I've said before, if you want some p.c., equal, cuddlefest...
I don't want a freaking cuddlefest. What I would like is a since of community where the whole community works together and can have heated discussions where it doesent end in I am the duke so I win since you are only a knight. If the Duke is being an ass he should be called on it. I will agree right now there are a there are a decent amount who are getting what they deserve. Sevastian and Bowie both deserve to be taken out for a bit.
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A. I don't think it breaks SMA. It is serious, it is antiquity (although perhaps more Roman/Greek BCE than medieval).
B. So far, the only people slinging insults and demands are those in power. A ruler-elect and a steward-elect are about equal station and can be expected to mud sling.
A. It is serious, and it is antiquity, but it is not medieval. A knight speaking out of station to a Duke would have been a pretty big slight.
B. Bowie isn't in power. He was elected in an early election and did not take the necessary actions to become the seceding Duke when it would have been /very/ easy for him to do so. He may be ruler-elect, but Sevastian isn't a steward-elect, he is the steward. He has royal status within the realm as such. Huzzah mechanics.
Well it's not like I started the conflict middle fingers flying. It began with a request, then it turned into a disagreement, and then an argument and then an ultimatum, and THAT'S when it went public. I attempted my end of "negotiating" but I also know when to draw a line and back it up.
Or you could just leave Swordfell. All of us want to play together fairly, equally, and communally. Sevastian is not a team player because he obsesses over his lands and personal status too much. We can't have a community with an autocrat. That right there's the gist of the whole fishfry.
Yeah, you pretty much did start the thing with middle fingers flying man, Sevastian was beyond understanding and conciliatory. The first bit of private messages was nothing but Sevastian asking you to stick to the original plan. Bowie's first private message was a statement of no patience and a demand to step down.
You cannot say you were polite or courteous with a straight face, otherwise, you really should play in Luria.
And I could just leave Swordfell? Right, because my character is going to give up his stronghold, duchy, allies, and powerbase. All because Bowie throws a tantrum immediately after secession. That's totally logical. Yes, he is worried more about his own domain than the lands belonging to Duchess Abbigal, but those are /her/ lands. It isn't Sevastian's place to overlook lands that have sworn allegiance to someone else. That would be rather rude. As a Fellian person, he cares about the well-being of the realm, but to aid in that he needs to do his job as Duke, just as Duchess Pike needs to do hers over her own lands.
/me smacks Bowie Ironsides with a trout.
I don't want a freaking cuddlefest. What I would like is a since of community where the whole community works together and can have heated discussions where it doesent end in I am the duke so I win since you are only a knight. If the Duke is being an ass he should be called on it. I will agree right now there are a there are a decent amount who are getting what they deserve. Sevastian and Bowie both deserve to be taken out for a bit.
I'm all for a sense of working community with heated discussions. The duke has not once said 'I'm a duke so I win'. The duke has called people out on not giving the proper respect and showing some damned patience. Massive difference. Sevastian has always maintained autonomous Ducal power, was promised it by Ingi and Bowie, and isn't quite like a regular Duke anyway. I won't deny he has turned into a stubborn and obstinate ass, but it is completely reactionary to the fact that Bowie demanded Sevastian step down from his Ducal and Lordship seats immediately. (yeah, the same seats he had previously promised to Sevastian)
The ability for everyone in the realm to speak their mind, within the limits of respect an courtesy, is important for all realms. I think is a core concept for BattleMaster, and is vital to an enjoyable game. I have never seen a realm that tries to limit free speech beyond the "be courteous" guideline. I don't think that this requires any kind of "we're all equal" nonsense. I suppose it could be an idea for some democratic realm concept... but it seems like it would be very easy to go too far with it.
I agree, and have no problem for people speaking their mind. Nor is Sevastian looking to limit free speech. Unless you look at "limiting free speech" as nobles speaking as nobles appropriately befitting their relative station within the hierarchy.
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Or you could just leave Swordfell. All of us want to play together fairly, equally, and communally. Sevastian is not a team player because he obsesses over his lands and personal status too much. We can't have a community with an autocrat. That right there's the gist of the whole fishfry.
Speak for yourself. If he leaves it's only fair that you leave too. Looking at the actions of the characters, both Sevastian and Bowie have behaved horribly. Obviously I will always stand by Sevastian since I swore fealty to him but if one is punished then both should be.
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I don't think your idea of equality in republics/democracies is valid. All nobles are *not* equal, regardless of government style. Unless you go with the "some people are more equal than others" philosophy.
Poorly said on my part. In republics/democracies they have equal say and thus the duke has more authority and can order a knight around so they are not equal in that respect but they are equal I would say in that a knight has equal respect. Now that is 100% what I mean but Woelfy is basically saying if Bowie was higher up the hierarchy that what he is saying would be ok but as he is saying this to someone of higher station he disrespecting him.
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Speak for yourself. If he leaves it's only fair that you leave too. Looking at the actions of the characters, both Sevastian and Bowie have behaved horribly. Obviously I will always stand by Sevastian since I swore fealty to him but if one is punished then both should be.
Not really, as though Bowie may be acting childish overall, if Sevastion was out of the picture this would not be happening but if Bowie was out of the picture the other person elected would being doing the same thing in a less childish manner.
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Poorly said on my part. In republics/democracies they have equal say and thus the duke has more authority and can order a knight around so they are not equal in that respect but they are equal I would say in that a knight has equal respect. Now that is 100% what I mean but Woelfy is basically saying if Bowie was higher up the hierarchy that what he is saying would be ok but as he is saying this to someone of higher station he disrespecting him.
Nope. I am saying the content of his particular letters, regardless of station, were rude and disrespectful. It is even more heinous that it comes from someone only holding the title of 'Knight'
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I'm all for a sense of working community with heated discussions. The duke has not once said 'I'm a duke so I win'. The duke has called people out on not giving the proper respect and showing some damned patience. Massive difference. Sevastian has always maintained autonomous Ducal power, was promised it by Ingi and Bowie, and isn't quite like a regular Duke anyway. I won't deny he has turned into a stubborn and obstinate ass, but it is completely reactionary to the fact that Bowie demanded Sevastian step down from his Ducal and Lordship seats immediately. (yeah, the same seats he had previously promised to Sevastian)
You aren't saying I am a duke so I win, instead you are basically saying, I am a duke so he can't talk to me like that, which IMO is the same thing. Also by creating division between your entire realm and basically trying to make them pick a side from what I have read anyways, which does not help with making a sense of community.Yes, he is worried more about his own domain than the lands belonging to Duchess Abbigal, but those are /her/ lands. It isn't Sevastian's place to overlook lands that have sworn allegiance to someone else. That would be rather rude. As a Fellian person, he cares about the well-being of the realm, but to aid in that he needs to do his job as Duke, just as Duchess Pike needs to do hers over her own lands.
Basically the whole issue with this logic is that based on what you are saying, ruler does not need to care about it as none of it is his domain based on your logic. You like to say that I am steward, not official ruler, but steward still rules over entire realm and it is all his domain to work on as steward. Nope. I am saying the content of his particular letters, regardless of station, were rude and disrespectful. It is even more heinous that it comes from someone only holding the title of 'Knight'
A knight speaking out of station to a Duke would have been a pretty big slight.
That's not really how you have been portraying it as, IMO.
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Meh, whatever. This Ooc discussion of IC matters is bugging me. I'm moving forward.
I'm unfortunately out of hours this turn, but I am looking forward to what the next 12-16 hours bring.
Now, decision time: should Sevastian just keep the crown? Penalty is still high (unbelievably so IMHO). But he could very easily cement his hold. Hell, he could just exile Bowie. It's not like Bowie has much h/p to stick around too long.
Decisions... Decisions...
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The ability for everyone in the realm to speak their mind, within the limits of respect an courtesy, is important for all realms. I think is a core concept for BattleMaster, and is vital to an enjoyable game. I have never seen a realm that tries to limit free speech beyond the "be courteous" guideline. I don't think that this requires any kind of "we're all equal" nonsense. I suppose it could be an idea for some democratic realm concept... but it seems like it would be very easy to go too far with it.
Oligarch banned the use of the word "Avamar" outside of strategic discussions pertaining to the region itself after Rubber Ducky failed to maintain control of Old Rancagua and the Avamarians got bitter at having no prospect of ever having a homeland again. Fines and bans happened.
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/me smacks Bowie Ironsides with a trout.
See, now that's funny! :p
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... Penalty is still high (unbelievably so IMHO)...
By unbelievably high you mean the exact same as three days ago? Ha! Told ya so! My argument vindicated 8)
So now you really did refuse and disrespect the ruler elect and put yourself into the frying pan!
Decisions decisions!
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By unbelievably high you mean the exact same as three days ago? Ha! Told ya so! My argument vindicated 8)
So now you really did refuse and disrespect the ruler elect and put yourself into the frying pan!
Decisions decisions!
Nope, not the same. But still ridiculously high. Your argument... Fail. ;)
Ruler-elect? Bah to that!
TO WAR!
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It seems pretty clear, in my opinion, what Woelfy is saying regarding rank and tone.
Knight to Duke OK:
"Your Grace, It is my honest opinion that you are doing more harm than good. I would even go so far as to respectfully suggest that the realm would benefit if Your grace would step down as ruler."
Anyone to Anyone NOT OK:
"You are being stupid FirstName. Your actions thus far show that you are as smart as yesterdays fecal deposit. I demand you give up the thrown, step down as duke and take a bath."
It is all in word choice and tone. Regardless, any noble should consider who they are speaking to when writing a message. There are no rules against any character holding a grudge or developing a negative opinion of someone based upon their correspondence. Of course, I have no idea what the letters in this scenario look like but it is clear that some feel that there was a general lack of respect in a few.
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Now, decision time: should Sevastian just keep the crown? Penalty is still high (unbelievably so IMHO). But he could very easily cement his hold. Hell, he could just exile Bowie. It's not like Bowie has much h/p to stick around too long.
Once again now its back to is the point of Sevastion not stepping down to the H/P loss or about sticking to what was agreed?
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Now, decision time: should Sevastian just keep the crown? Penalty is still high (unbelievably so IMHO). But he could very easily cement his hold. Hell, he could just exile Bowie. It's not like Bowie has much h/p to stick around too long.
I'd just like to remind everyone that exile will never remove someone from the realm. Even if they end up at 0 honour and 0 prestige, they can still stay as long as they want. The only way they will leave is if you can make them so bored and/or frustrated that they leave of their own free will.
Also, once someone is exiled, you cannot ban them.
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Once again now its back to is the point of Sevastion not stepping down to the H/P loss or about sticking to what was agreed?
No, it's to the point where you and Bowie have bugged the sh*t out of me IC and Ooc.
I'm still deciding on how to progress from here. I'll log in after I do decide, and you will all know.
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It's a curse for not forming as a theocracy.
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There. Decision reached and put in action.
Imperial Republic of Swordfell for the win. None of this cuddly lovey-dovey "everyone has the same power and can talk how they want" bulls**t.
Let there be blood.
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Ya'll just need to stop talking about this OOC.
Play the damned game without the commentary and keep it IC!
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Ya'll just need to stop talking about this OOC.
Play the damned game without the commentary and keep it IC!
+1
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I quite agree. Although I was waiting for the hair-pulling. Or did that already occur? :o
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Ya'll just need to stop talking about this OOC.
Play the damned game without the commentary and keep it IC!
ooh that sounds like a good experiment.
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I quite agree. Although I was waiting for the hair-pulling. Or did that already occur? :o
Look back a few pages in the thread to read Bowie's insults ;D
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Sevastian - protested out of office. Still a royal and still duke of the capital.
This will be an amazing rebellion. Spiteful character ftw.
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Sevastian - protested out of office. Still a royal and still duke of the capital.
This will be an amazing rebellion. Spiteful character ftw.
Well if they want you out of your dukeship, they have three options: exile you until step down, convince you to step down through words/bribery, or have infiltrators stab you until you are wounded so long that you lose dukeship due to inactivity.
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Well if they want you out of your dukeship, they have three options: exile you until step down, convince you to step down through words/bribery, or have infiltrators stab you until you are wounded so long that you lose dukeship due to inactivity.
No words or bribery will work, my character actually has several infils on his payroll, and exile wouldn't work. Sev would hang around just to cause damage.
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They could just secede and let him have the humiliation of /another/ realm crumbling around him leaving him with nothing yet again.
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They could just secede and let him have the humiliation of /another/ realm crumbling around him leaving him with nothing yet again.
Yeah, thx for that. ;)
Still have BR, and it's not a total sh*# hole now, just a partial one. And unlike last time, I've recruited people specifically to come and support Sevastian. Not to mention Royal status, and funds.
/me was busy the last several days.
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They could just secede and let him have the humiliation of /another/ realm crumbling around him leaving him with nothing yet again.
they can't secede because there is only one city.
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Sevastian - protested out of office. Still a royal and still duke of the capital.
Huh. Somehow it seems a game-wide message should have been sent about this. Everybody knows when a rebellion occurs, why not successful protests?
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We also get messages when a new Ruler is elected...
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No new ruler has been elected yet.
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No new ruler has been elected yet.
In a rebellion, we get the messages as soon as it is launched, whether it ends up being successful or not.
Swordfell is without a ruler now. This seems news enough.
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No rebelion was needed. Just the protests of most of the realm. What happend to keepint IC tuff IC?
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No rebelion was needed. Just the protests of most of the realm. What happend to keepint IC tuff IC?
Of course, it's an IC event. My point is that it is an IC event of international importance, and a game message should have been sent.
As of now, my character can tell by looking at the realm details, but I only looked it up because it's been mentioned in the forum. IC, characters not in Swordfell have no idea that Sevastian has been deposed.
Anyway, this is really a feature request, I'll write it up in another thread.
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As of now, my character can tell by looking at the realm details, but I only looked it up because it's been mentioned in the forum. IC, characters not in Swordfell have no idea that Sevastian has been deposed.
No need to advertise it too much, it'll be remedied soon enough 8)No rebelion was needed. Just the protests of most of the realm. What happend to keepint IC tuff IC?
Exactly half the realm. Not most.
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I'm fairly certain that in a realm with a city and a stronghold, the duchy with the city can secede. This leaves the old realm with the stronghold, which can serve as a completely functional capital.
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I'm fairly certain that in a realm with a city and a stronghold, the duchy with the city can secede. This leaves the old realm with the stronghold, which can serve as a completely functional capital.
Can the duchy with the Stronghold do anything though? Ie, legally switch to a different realm? It leaves the realm with a city.
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I'm fairly certain that in a realm with a city and a stronghold, the duchy with the city can secede. This leaves the old realm with the stronghold, which can serve as a completely functional capital.
Demonstrated most recently in the example of Solaria.
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Demonstrated most recently in the example of Solaria.
Sun Hall didn't secede though, it just switched allegiance.
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Sun Hall didn't secede though, it just switched allegiance.
I'm dumb. Indirik is right, though.
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Solari! Answer mah question!
Can the duchy with the Stronghold do anything though? Ie, legally switch to a different realm? It leaves the realm with a city.
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Can the duchy with the Stronghold do anything though? Ie, legally switch to a different realm? It leaves the realm with a city.
Why not? So long as the realm is left with at least one city/stronghold, I don't see why any duchy would not be allowed to switch allegiance.
For the most part, there are only two significant differences between cities and strongholds:
1) A stronghold does not have a bank, unless it's the capital.
2) A stronghold cannot secede. The duchy that is seceding must have a city in it.
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Woefly was the H\P loss due to protest less then you stepping down?
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Why not? So long as the realm is left with at least one city/stronghold, I don't see why any duchy would not be allowed to switch allegiance.
For the most part, there are only two significant differences between cities and strongholds:
1) A stronghold does not have a bank, unless it's the capital.
2) A stronghold cannot secede. The duchy that is seceding must have a city in it.
Perfect, thanks Indirik.
Screw you Solari!! ;D
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BR can't secede or switch allegiance because it is our capital. We got you pinned that way. Just have to pluck you out of your seat and pop the champagne! :-*
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BR can't secede or switch allegiance because it is our capital. We got you pinned that way. Just have to pluck you out of your seat and pop the champagne! :-*
Umm, I've got the option to leave you and your delusions right now mate. Not pinned, and you sure aren't getting me out of that seat. Ruler won't be able to take me out of my ducal throne after election. You really didn't think this through, IMHO.
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Umm, I've got the option to leave you and your delusions right now mate. Not pinned, and you sure aren't getting me out of that seat. Ruler won't be able to take me out of my ducal throne after election. You really didn't think this through, IMHO.
I'm sorry, but if you have the option to change the allegiance of the Duchy of Courts of Stone, that's a serious bug, and taking advantage of it is an exploit just as bad as what happened with Solaria.
Edit: Further evidence has shown this to be total BS. Please disregard it entirely.
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I'm sorry, but if you have the option to change the allegiance of the Duchy of Courts of Stone, that's a serious bug, and taking advantage of it is an exploit just as bad as what happened with Solaria.
Ruler won't be able to take me out of my ducal throne after election.
Assuming the judge doesn't look to ban him, it looks like Sevastian is stuck with Swordfell and Swordfell is stuck with Sevastian. I am pleased by this.
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Assuming the judge doesn't look to ban him, it looks like Sevastian is stuck with Swordfell and Swordfell is stuck with Sevastian. I am pleased by this.
Judge can't ban me. Royal status. #foresightforthewin
I'm sorry, but if you have the option to change the allegiance of the Duchy of Courts of Stone, that's a serious bug, and taking advantage of it is an exploit just as bad as what happened with Solaria.
K. Had to check, that option is out, but there are still a lot open. Thanks delvin.
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Why does a fresh ruler being protested out keep royal status? This makes no sense. Had he stepped down, he shouldn't have gotten it. Why does being protested out allow him to keep it?
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I'm sorry, but if you have the option to change the allegiance of the Duchy of Courts of Stone, that's a serious bug, and taking advantage of it is an exploit just as bad as what happened with Solaria.
Why? They have another duchy, which contains another city. I was under the understanding that the capital changing allegiance was an allowed move.
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Question does it show who is a Royal? Or is the character just flagged as a royal and can not be baned by the judge?
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Question does it show who is a Royal? Or is the character just flagged as a royal and can not be baned by the judge?
... I fear Swordfell is doomed. smh.
The game shows who is a royal. Easiest way to see it, that I know of, is on army info screen.
Yes, royals can't be banned by judges.
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Thank you, I thought I had seen it someplace where ranks where shown but I could not remember where.
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Why? They have another duchy, which contains another city. I was under the understanding that the capital changing allegiance was an allowed move.
Indeed. The conclusion of the Solaria magistrates case was
The Magistrates decline to rule on the question of realm mergers generally and the secession of capital duchies at this time, due to ongoing discussions among the Magistrates, Dev Team, and Tom.
The bug was about the last duchy switching allegiance, and that was what the rule the case was pinned on.
You posted yourself then:
If you are declaring now that #1 is to be disallowed, that is a major policy change.
Not only will it require significant code changes, but it should absolutely not be used as a reason to punish Solari for what he did, because for years now, it has been both possible and legal to change the allegiance of the capital duchy. Ex post facto laws are a bad thing, whatever your original ideas might have been.
If discussion among the Devs resulted in capital changing allegiance now being disallowed, it should announced.
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Er...hm.
Let me check my notes.
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Er...hm.
Let me check my notes.
Behold, the proper usage of case law!
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Behold, the proper usage of case law!
Yes: To remind the developers what they said before!
Apparently I have misremembered, and we have not changed this. Thus, my earlier pronouncement in this thread was incorrect, and it would be completely fine for Woelfy to change the allegiance of the Duchy of Balance's Retreat. I will edit the message with a note to that effect.
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Yes: To remind the developers what they said before!
Apparently I have misremembered, and we have not changed this. Thus, my earlier pronouncement in this thread was incorrect, and it would be completely fine for Woelfy to change the allegiance of the Duchy of Balance's Retreat. I will edit the message with a note to that effect.
Thanks for checking on that Anaris. Best news all week :D
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This sounds like it's going to get interesting.
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What did you think things where going to end peacefully so quickly. Look at the way things are going. I do not think its going to cool down quite yet.
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What did you think things where going to end peacefully so quickly. Look at the way things are going. I do not think its going to cool down quite yet.
Sevastian tried. What is to come is on Bowie and his minions.
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How does Sevastian plan to feed BR? Does Courts of Stone produce enough food for it?
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Sevastian tried. What is to come is on Bowie and his minions.
First off, Abbigal is not one of Bowie's minnions. Second Sevastian has not tried.
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* Applauds Pike
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I thought of a good name for the new realm ' !@#$show'
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That was our original name, but some people squirmed at the reference. I brought it back for a bit during the crisis but then EVERYONE squirmed ;D
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First off, Abbigal is not one of Bowie's minnions. Second Sevastian has not tried.
1st. Lulz.
2nd. You are blind if you think that.
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That was our original name, but some people squirmed at the reference. I brought it back for a bit during the crisis but then EVERYONE squirmed ;D
The only difference between Swordfell and Asylon is that our nobles wouldn't squirm if we renamed the realm '!@#$show' ;D
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* Swordfell shows up to the party. Entering the hall she sees Asylon wearing the exact same outfit! They point to each other and shout "SIISTERSSS!"
;D
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The only difference between Swordfell and Asylon is that our nobles wouldn't squirm if we renamed the realm '!@#$show' ;D
Forget Axis of Evil, let's start a guild called the Axis of Anarchy.
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Make it on FEI, and I'll join!
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Unfortunately, FEI doesn't have such a high caliber collection of rogues 8). It's all Dwilight baby, for better or worse
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Unfortunately, FEI doesn't have such a high caliber collection of rogues 8).
(http://images.wikia.com/runescape/images/1/1a/Rofl.gif)
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Unfortunately, FEI doesn't have such a high caliber collection of rogues 8). It's all Dwilight baby, for better or worse
Worse, definitely worse.
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You will never find a more wretched hive of villiany and scum.
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I give Swordfell two months until collapse.
If that long.
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I give Swordfell two months until collapse.
If that long.
<-----Because of a duke of the realm sabotaging it.
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<-----Because of a duke of the realm sabotaging it.
No, Sevastian hasn't tried to sabotage anything. That's just pure nonsense.
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No, Sevastian hasn't tried to sabotage anything. That's just pure nonsense.
Has not yet, but considering your post compared to your previous ones it seems like Sevastion will be sabotaging the realm now.
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Has not yet, but considering your post compared to your previous ones it seems like Sevastion will be sabotaging the realm now.
As long as we can get the Divides under our belt, I'm cool with whatever Sevastian wants to do. Those 24 hour trips to the capital are becoming a headache. All my captain does is "are we there yet, are we there yet".
Oh, and all hail Abbigal...ruler elect!
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I will admit that Sevastian has not sabotaged the realm. I think mold to his liking would be a better phrase.
I will also admit that for the most part the disagreements are not overly bad except Sevastian ends up frustrated and giving the same response over and over again to most of the discussion and critiziem given to him.
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Has not yet, but considering your post compared to your previous ones it seems like Sevastion will be sabotaging the realm now.
Noticeable difference between sabotaging a person and sabotaging a realm.
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Noticeable difference between sabotaging a person and sabotaging a realm.
Sweet did not know Abbigail got Sevasian that irritated
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Best way to mold a realm is with a little patience.
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Best way to mold a realm is with a little patience.
Swrodfell is the wrong realm for that on all sides
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Noticeable difference between sabotaging a person and sabotaging a realm.
When you were overall quite positive about Swordfell's future to I think it will be last for two months, if that, sounds like your character plans to do some sabotaging, IMO.
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Nah, he just thinks we are a bunch of fools who can not run a realm.
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Nah, he just thinks we are a bunch of fools who can not run a realm.
Either you have to piss off Morek and either have it where they wont support you/they fight you or have major food issues which could easily be solved unless you pissed off Morek. And as Abbigail is leading the realm, I don't see relations with Morek going bad.
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Lulz.
This whole thing is going to be funnier than anything else I've seen in BM. I haven't sabotaged Swordfell yet, and have no interest in it. I'd rather stick around and watch the damn thing implode. It's bound to happen.
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Nah, he just thinks we are a bunch of fools who can not run a realm.
Based on his post it seems your right, which is quite childish thinking that he is the only one able to run a realm well within Swordfell.
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Based on his post it seems your right, which is quite childish thinking that he is the only one able to run a realm well within Swordfell.
Not by any means, Sev just wanted to make damn certain Bowie didn't get the crown. And truly, why would I bother sabotaging the realm? There are plenty of other options available to me.
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A selfish goal if I ever saw one! Luria gets all the fun jewels :(
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Based on his post it seems your right, which is quite childish thinking that he is the only one able to run a realm well within Swordfell.
And truly, why would I bother sabotaging the realm?
A selfish goal if I ever saw one! Luria gets all the fun jewels :(
1. He's Lurian not childish.
2. You're Lurian.
3. Duh, he's Lurian.
Seriously, y'all should have seen this one coming.
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1. He's Lurian not childish.
2. You're Lurian.
3. Duh, he's Lurian.
Seriously, y'all should have seen this one coming.
Shhhhh!!
1. True.
2. True.
3. Duh, I'm Lurian.
In all honesty, I was excited about the idea of Swordfell. I am far less excited about the reality. Doesn't mean I'm actively sabotaging anything. Keep that in mind, pike, Ironsides and penchant. When I want to sabotage something, you won't hear about it until its already broken. 8)
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Shhhhh!!
1. True.
2. True.
3. Duh, I'm Lurian.
In all honesty, I was excited about the idea of Swordfell. I am far less excited about the reality. Doesn't mean I'm actively sabotaging anything. Keep that in mind, pike, Ironsides and penchant. When I want to sabotage something, you won't hear about it until its already broken. 8)
Then work with us and at least give us a chance of doing it our way.... if it fails then fine. But actually work with us and prove you want to help the whole realm.
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Sevastian did build some goodies in Balances Retreat, despite a hefty slap on the wrist for overstepping his stewardship. So far he has been trying to help out the realm, and I'm sure he's working with his constituents a lot more than the people he's put on his ignore list.
So far he looks legit, albeit quiet. Worth keeping tabs on, sure, but nothing worrisome yet. It'll probably take him a few weeks to curry enough favors with enough people to pull anything good. Honestly, though, it seems like he got what he wanted. Bowie isn't in power, Balances Retreat is still his, and interesting times were had. A few sore feelings and light pocket probably wasn't a bad trade.
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we will see what happens but its going to be difficult since the rulers voice will not be heard by him.
Yes some nice goodies where built but that all the realm can use but still not doing much to build the realm up. Not working to make changes other then the ones he wants.
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Not working to make changes other then the ones he wants.
OH NO. SOMEONE WITH SELF-INTEREST! IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!
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OH NO. SOMEONE WITH SELF-INTEREST! IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!
I do not mind self interests, though complete self interest is where this is a problem.
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I do not mind self interests, though complete self interest is where this is a problem.
Like having a bunch of self interests and giving priority to those that happen to coincide with the realms interests.
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Like having a bunch of self interests and giving priority to those that happen to coincide with the realms interests.
I am more in line of making sure self interests to not interfear with realm interests.
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I am more in line of making sure self interests to not interfear with realm interests.
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Why are you playing Battlemaster, then?
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Why are you playing Battlemaster, then?
Because battlemaster is a team game.
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Because battlemaster is a team game.
It's Battlemaster, not Battlemasters.
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Because battlemaster is a team game.
Well yeah.
Kinda.
And what team? Your realm doesn't have to be your only team. Indeed, it probably shouldn't be. That would really, really narrow the experience of the game.
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Well yeah.
Kinda.
And what team? Your realm doesn't have to be your only team. Indeed, it probably shouldn't be. That would really, really narrow the experience of the game.
is that not what the rest of the realms are for to plot against.
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is that not what the rest of the realms are for to plot against.
No.... no not at all.
Realms are a team. So are religions. So are guilds. So are duchies, and regions. So are loose confederations of interests. So are alliances.
BM has no fundamental and obvious and determinate "team" to which all players should subscribe.
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It may be far more fun to plot against my own ruler than an enemy one.
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It may be far more fun to plot against my own ruler than an enemy one.
Simple because it's more feasible to plot against your own ruler.
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Why are you playing Battlemaster, then?
Now you see what I've been dealing with. God it's annoying to have a chokehold on my proudest character. Although, jaeger is quickly moving up in the 'proud !@#$%^&' ranks.
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I'm happy with the diversity. Abbigal plays the 'everyone work together' mother, Bowie plays the insulting younger brother, Sevastian plays the smug older brother. It's what I had hoped to see from an Astroist, Demon, and Lurian. So far everyone else is more quiet, but just as interesting.
If we can get over the hump of actually developing enough to be worth fighting over, then it'll get real interesting.
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Now you see what I've been dealing with. God it's annoying to have a chokehold on my proudest character. Although, jaeger is quickly moving up in the 'proud !@#$%^&' ranks.
And with this being such an open ended game there is only one way to play it? With some exceptions I do not think there is a wrong way to play.
Yet this is the first time I have been flat out told/implied that I am playing this game wrong.
Also you complain about having a chokehold on your proudest character but you do not have a problem doing the same to Iornside's Charcter.
I would say the main difference between Sevastian and Bowie's ability to be stubborn asses is that Bowie will start with the insults and bad jokes quickly which are some times in poor taste. Yet its just a game.
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I'm happy with the diversity. Abbigal plays the 'everyone work together' mother, Bowie plays the insulting younger brother, Sevastian plays the smug older brother. It's what I had hoped to see from an Astroist, Demon, and Lurian. So far everyone else is more quiet, but just as interesting.
If we can get over the hump of actually developing enough to be worth fighting over, then it'll get real interesting.
This comment I somewhat Like because its about right. Though Abbigal is an Astroist she might get upset about being listed as one compared to the Demon and Lurian.
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Also you complain about having a chokehold on your proudest character but you do not have a problem doing the same to Iornside's Charcter.
I would say the main difference between Sevastian and Bowie's ability to be stubborn asses is that Bowie will start with the insults and bad jokes quickly which are some times in poor taste. Yet its just a game.
Sevastian has no chokehold on anyone. He just refused to see Bowie get a crown after Bowie broke his word. You are just plain silly.
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And with this being such an open ended game there is only one way to play it? With some exceptions I do not think there is a wrong way to play.
Yet this is the first time I have been flat out told/implied that I am playing this game wrong.
Also you complain about having a chokehold on your proudest character but you do not have a problem doing the same to Iornside's Charcter.
I would say the main difference between Sevastian and Bowie's ability to be stubborn asses is that Bowie will start with the insults and bad jokes quickly which are some times in poor taste. Yet its just a game.
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You told Woelfy like 20 times he was playing it wrong by leveling OOC criticism at him for playing a self-interested character.
Self awareness FTW!
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Sevastian has no chokehold on anyone. He just refused to see Bowie get a crown after Bowie broke his word. You are just plain silly.
Yes but as a member of the Church Sevastian is owe so happy to persecute him because he is not a member. You want him out of the realm as much as he wants you out.
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Yes but as a member of the Church you are owe so happy to persecute him because he is not a member. You want him out of the realm as much as he wants you out.
Woelfy is a member of Sanguis Astroism?
Weird, I didn't know it was a real-world religion....
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You told Woelfy like 20 times he was playing it wrong by leveling OOC criticism at him for playing a self-interested character.
Self awareness FTW!
Yet he has done the same to me and others. Also Self-interest to the point where you ignore everyone else while still saying you are working with them. Then them getting upset when they do not do what you want both in game and out. Or them getting upset when you respond to the way they act. Yes to the level he has taken it I think is wrong.
I will admit this is the first time I have been in a realm with a Lurian. I even played a long time ago in the same realm as Allison when she was part of Morek. Even then things did not get this bad.
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Woelfy is a member of Sanguis Astroism?
Weird, I didn't know it was a real-world religion....
There I edited it my appologies
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Yet he has done the same to me and others. Also Self-interest to the point where you ignore everyone else while still saying you are working with them. Then them getting upset when they do not do what you want both in game and out. Or them getting upset when you respond to the way they act. Yes to the level he has taken it I think is wrong.
I will admit this is the first time I have been in a realm with a Lurian. I even played a long time ago in the same realm as Allison when she was part of Morek. Even then things did not get this bad.
Sounds to me like you're having a hard time separating IC and OOC, not Woelfy. Like you're the one insisting that he's playing the game wrong.
Your criticisms of me about criticizing peoples' gameplay styles apply doubly to you.
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I conceed.
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Yes but as a member of the Church Sevastian is owe so happy to persecute him because he is not a member. You want him out of the realm as much as he wants you out.
Sevastian is happy to persecute Bowie because Bowie is an oath-breaking fiend. The Church has nothing to do with it. Good lord. You are whining more than a 3 week old puppy.
Sevastian hasn't keyed you in on every detail of his schemes, oh darn. Sevastian is bullying Bowie, oh darn. Sevastian is holed up in his region and I don't like that! Oh darn.
Get over it. My character is an !@#$%^& to people who warrant it. If people had treated him better, they wouldn't get the same treatment in return. It's called the Laws of Motion. Thx Newton!
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Sevastian is happy to persecute Bowie because Bowie is an oath-breaking fiend. The Church has nothing to do with it. Good lord. You are whining more than a 3 week old puppy.
Sevastian hasn't keyed you in on every detail of his schemes, oh darn. Sevastian is bullying Bowie, oh darn. Sevastian is holed up in his region and I don't like that! Oh darn.
Get over it. My character is an !@#$%^& to people who warrant it. If people had treated him better, they wouldn't get the same treatment in return. It's called the Laws of Motion. Thx Newton!
Yet when have I insulted you!!! You go on and on about how the realm will fail. Then you complain about me and bowie just as much as we do about you.
Sevastain is an ass to anyone who will not agree with him and will not back down to him.
The Laws of motion works both ways. You act like an ass and people dont trust or like you.
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Yet when have I insulted you!!! You go on and on about how the realm will fail. Then you complain about me and bowie just as much as we do about you.
Sevastain is an ass to anyone who will not agree with him and will not back down to him.
The Laws of motion works both ways. You act like an ass and people dont trust or like you.
You've been plenty insulting Ooc. Not IC, I'll give you credit there. But then again, I've had you on ignore, so....
What does me, as a player, saying that Stormfell will fail have to do with any of this? I am not my character, learn to differentiate. I seriously facepalm more reading your posts than I ever have before.
Sevastian is an ass to anyone who deserves it. There are loads of people who don't agree with him or won't back down to him that he likes, just because you haven't made it onto that list doesn't give you reason to go whining Ooc nonstop.
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Wow... you people need a truckload of chill pills.
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Yes you have me on ignore, and still not been insulting IC. Try my best not do. Heck still working on a way to get Sevastin talking again.
I am sorry if you think I have been insulting OOC but its like you have about the laws of motion.
Then what gives you the right to winnie non stop about the fact that Swordfell will fail. I have answered to them here where I am supposed to here.
Yet you are whining IC and OOC both in game in here about how people have been ganging up on you. Then you say I am whining about Sevastan being an ass. How is your whining any better then mine?
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Yes you have me on ignore, and still not been insulting IC. Try my best not do. Heck still working on a way to get Sevastin talking again.
I am sorry if you think I have been insulting OOC but its like you have about the laws of motion.
Then what gives you the right to winnie non stop about the fact that Swordfell will fail. I have answered to them here where I am supposed to here.
Yet you are whining IC and OOC both in game in here about how people have been ganging up on you. Then you say I am whining about Sevastan being an ass. How is your whining any better then mine?
I'm not whining about the fact that Swordfell will fall. Where are you coming up with this stuff? As a player, I'm interested in watching it happen. As a character, Sevastian would prefer it didn't, but isn't going to toss himself under a bus to stop it from happening.
When have I complained about being 'ganged up on'? My complaints have been rather well focused and particularly worded. I'm not whining about anything my character has gotten into.
/me facepalms, yet again.
Wow... you people need a truckload of chill pills.
What would that cost me? I imagine a rather pretty penny, especially if these are the high quality ones. ;)
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I will admit this is the first time I have been in a realm with a Lurian. I even played a long time ago in the same realm as Allison when she was part of Morek. Even then things did not get this bad.
Let me correct you: "I will admit this is the first time I have been in a realm with a Lurian outcast." In other words, things are so chaotic because you got the Lurian all the other ones threw out.
Wow... you people need a truckload of chill pills.
I laughed so incredibly hard at this that I had to type it out and inform you.
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Let me correct you: "I will admit this is the first time I have been in a realm with a Lurian outcast." In other words, things are so chaotic because you got the Lurian all the other ones threw out.
Being cast out of Luria Nova does not a Lurian Outcast make.
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Being cast out of Luria Nova does not a Lurian Outcast make.
Wrong. Alice Arundel is Queen of the Three Lurias! She just fancies the Luria Novan crown primarily, hence why the realm goes by its name. Trust me, you've been made an outcast :P
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Wrong. Alice Arundel is Queen of the Three Lurias! She just fancies the Luria Novan crown primarily, hence why the realm goes by its name. Trust me, you've been made an outcast :P
The three Lurian realms? LN and LV, but what's the third?
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Wrong. Alice Arundel is Queen of the Three Lurias! She just fancies the Luria Novan crown primarily, hence why the realm goes by its name. Trust me, you've been made an outcast :P
Hahahahahaha
(I literally snorted coca cola all over my table, thanks mate)
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Wrong. Alice Arundel is Queen of the Three Lurias! She just fancies the Luria Novan crown primarily, hence why the realm goes by its name. Trust me, you've been made an outcast :P
What about Alanna Anaris...?
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The three Lurian realms? LN and LV, but what's the third?
Pian en Luries/Solaria, whichever one sounds best.
What about Alanna Anaris...?
What about Alanna Anaris?
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What about Alanna Anaris...?
+1 for the /real/ Lurian Queen. ;D
And Alice can't claim she is queen of Solaria, that's just craziness. She was nowhere near the Crown, and doesn't have that claim. You can claim PeL all you want though. :)
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...He just refused to see Bowie get a crown after Bowie broke his word....
If I may throw my dust into this mixer: if by broke my word you mean denounced you as an enemy then hell ya! Don't dare REFUSE to resign to the guy who's supposed to be ruler. No excuse for that, that's akin to treason. Fact, that IS treason! Hence crisis.
Demon +1, Brown - 6
For those who wince at Bowie's lambasting, is anyone surprised? That's the show you paid to see baby! If you want prudish and dignified look elsewhere. Demon is a satirical noble! Ooo, that's good satire.
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+1 for the /real/ Lurian Queen. ;D
And Alice can't claim she is queen of Solaria, that's just craziness. She was nowhere near the Crown, and doesn't have that claim. You can claim PeL all you want though. :)
Alice uses the titles loosely, it's not like she's made an official declaration of any kind :P. I'm all for Alanna Anaris becoming Queen/Empress, never had a different opinion.
Uhm... she controls all the lands? She can make whatever new title she wants, but she'll probably stick with the PeL crown. Plus, Solaria never had a crown, so meh, not interested.
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If I may throw my dust into this mixer: if by broke my word you mean denounced you as an enemy then hell ya! Don't dare REFUSE to resign to the guy who's supposed to be ruler. No excuse for that, that's akin to treason. Fact, that IS treason! Hence crisis.
Demon +1, Brown - 6
For those who wince at Bowie's lambasting, is anyone surprised? That's the show you paid to see baby! If you want prudish and dignified look elsewhere. Demon is a satirical noble! Ooo, that's good satire.
Yes, you did denounce /Sevastian/ as an enemy, after your character broke his troth and Sevastian refused to step down. What of it? You broke your character's word and then Sevastian refused to see Bowie get his throne. Get the order right mate, you are seriously worrying me. Sevastian asked for patience, repeatedly. It's not my fault you refused to let your character use logic.
Also, good satire doesn't revolve around poop jokes. I thought we'd gone over that?
Arundel: Solaria had a crown, Sevastian still has it. Check with Solari, he's the one who gave it over. All the nice dangly things for each of the Unified Houses. Kind of a neat image I get in mah head.
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Arundel: Solaria had a crown, Sevastian still has it. Check with Solari, he's the one who gave it over. All the nice dangly things for each of the Unified Houses. Kind of a neat image I get in mah head.
It's more of a fancy headdress. I mean, Malus and Sevastian were never Kings, just Arbiters. PeL had a real crown, but I'd probably have to tango with Saul for it. I guess that makes you an ousted Lurian Arbiter, grats!
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Yes, you did denounce /Sevastian/ as an enemy, after your character broke his troth and Sevastian refused to step down. What of it? You broke your character's word and then Sevastian refused to see Bowie get his throne. Get the order right mate...
Aa, wrong! Ready for another bout! You refused first, hence crisis. :-X
And that is why water and oil don't mix.
Rise up Swordfell!
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It's more of a fancy headdress. I mean, Malus and Sevastian were never Kings, just Arbiters. PeL had a real crown, but I'd probably have to tango with Saul for it. I guess that makes you an ousted Lurian Arbiter, grats!
It wasn't a republic or democracy mate. Arbiter was still King. Regardless, call Sevastian ousted all you want, it doesn't change things much. 8)
Aa, wrong! Ready for another bout! You refused first, hence crisis. :-X
And that is why water and oil don't mix.
Rise up Swordfell!
You are unbelievable, you are.
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You are unbelievable, you are.
Aw shucks, :-[, aint nobody understand me like you do! Plus I felt like taking the heat off Pike for a bit. Poor guy got caught in the crossfire.
Still, you're going to have to unignore us (Abbigal at least) in order to get anywhere. What purpose do you have in being in Swordfell as a subversive? You make your own realm within our realm? Somethings gotta give.
What would you like to see happen, Woelfy? Your best case outcome?
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If I may throw my dust into this mixer: if by broke my word you mean denounced you as an enemy then hell ya! Don't dare REFUSE to resign to the guy who's supposed to be ruler. No excuse for that, that's akin to treason. Fact, that IS treason! Hence crisis.
Demon +1, Brown - 6
For those who wince at Bowie's lambasting, is anyone surprised? That's the show you paid to see baby! If you want prudish and dignified look elsewhere. Demon is a satirical noble! Ooo, that's good satire.
I wouldn't be paid, much less pay, to watch your show, Bowie.
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Still, you're going to have to unignore us (Abbigal at least) in order to get anywhere. What purpose do you have in being in Swordfell as a subversive? You make your own realm within our realm? Somethings gotta give.
What would you like to see happen, Woelfy? Your best case outcome?
Meh. We'll see. Bowie doesn't have to be unignored period. Abbigal isn't physically ignored, Sevastian just isn't bothering to reply. Dead messengers is dead messengers. Also, can we keep the Ooc bs down to a minimum in game? That'd be great, thx.
Subversive? Nope. Free-thinking. He is all about increasing the power of the Realm. He is just suspicious of certain people within it for working with Bowie and Tarajist, let alone Allison.
And whoever said I have a plan for Sevastian anymore? Tossing the dice in the air and playing them how they fall is what makes a game fun. Chaos at it's best.
I wouldn't be paid, much less pay, to watch your show, Bowie.
+1
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I wouldn't be paid, much less pay, to watch your show, Bowie.
Oh ya? You underestimate my knack for showbiz ! Get a load of this:
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Ironsides_Family/Bowie/Lock_Jaw
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I'm not underestimating your knack for showbiz. Rather, it seems I underestimated the extent of your need to demonstrate your immaturity.
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Speaking as an outside audience, Sev's immaturity is just as equal as Bowie's in this funny Swordfell matter.
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Speaking as an outside audience, Sev's immaturity is just as equal as Bowie's in this funny Swordfell matter.
My character is entitled to be as childish and upset as he desires.
A. He's mad. (as a hatter)
B. someone threatened his sandbox.
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My character is entitled to be as childish and upset as he desires.
A. He's mad. (as a hatter)
B. someone threatened his sandbox.
A. Bowie is mad (maybe more than a hatter)
B. Someone borrowed Bowie's sandbox and didn't give it back when he asked. Who cares about plans, he is medieval noble and wants his sandbox back.
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It's more of a fancy headdress. I mean, Malus and Sevastian were never Kings, just Arbiters. PeL had a real crown, but I'd probably have to tango with Saul for it.
Nope. Alanna still has the original Lurian Crown ;D
She was attacked on the road while still Queen (by a group of peasants who had heard about the plot to overthrow her, but gotten the wrong idea in their heads—though Alanna still believes they were sent deliberately by Koli and his people), and when she escaped from them she still had the Crown with her. It's been kicking around in her luggage ever since.
She's sort of hoping to add some extra fancy bits to it someday to wear again when she's officially made Empress.
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A. Bowie is mad (maybe more than a hatter)
B. Someone borrowed Bowie's sandbox and didn't give it back when he asked. Who cares about plans, he is medieval noble and wants his sandbox back.
A. Bowie is an idiot, not mad. Large difference.
B. Bowie gave up his sandbox. He was a Margrave and stepped down instead of fighting for the seceding Ducal Seat. His threat is why Sevastian refused to step down. My sandbox.
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A. Bowie is an idiot, not mad. Large difference.
B. Bowie gave up his sandbox. He was a Margrave and stepped down instead of fighting for the seceding Ducal Seat. His threat is why Sevastian refused to step down. My sandbox.
A. How do you know Bowie is not more of mad that seems idiotic
B. Swordfell is his sandbox and that you wouldn't give. Also, you say you give equal treatment but he could have fought for your ducal seat and took your sandbox but instead he didn't and you repay him by not giving his sandbox back.
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A. How do you know Bowie is not more of mad that seems idiotic
B. Swordfell is his sandbox and that you wouldn't give. Also, you say you give equal treatment but he could have fought for your ducal seat and took your sandbox but instead he didn't and you repay him by not giving his sandbox back.
A. Based on his actions and words. Duh.
B. It was only his sandbox in word, never in fact. I refused to give Swordfell to him after he threatened Sevastian's region and duchy. How could he have fought for my ducal seat penchant? He couldnt. I repaid his threats with decisive action. He threatened Sevastian, Sevastian ruined his bid for the crown. Simple.
You really overestimate your puppeteer. ;)
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A. Based on his actions and words. Duh.
B. It was only his sandbox in word, never in fact. I refused to give Swordfell to him after he threatened Sevastian's region and duchy. How could he have fought for my ducal seat penchant? He couldnt. I repaid his threats with decisive action. He threatened Sevastian, Sevastian ruined his bid for the crown. Simple.
You really overestimate your puppeteer. ;)
A. You are completely biased so can't really take a sound judgement on that
B. Maybe. Could you quote what exactly he says is threatening your duchy and region? I am the rightful ruler so Sevastion needs to step down so I can found the realm in BR as he wants. You act like you are the innocent victim in this when it is equally at minimum your fault. He is not even close to being my "puppeteer"
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Of course I'm biased, you are talking to me about my opinion of a character in a game.
The order of events was Bowie demanding Sevastian step down within hours of secession, an obvious breach of the agreed order of events placed by the Fellish Assembly. After repeated attempts to calm Bowie and to try and get him to be patient, he threatened Sevastian's Ducal Seat and Lordship seat. That is when Sevastian dug in and refused to step down from the Ruler post. I by no means am playing my character as an 'innocent victim'. He made particular decisions in particular situations and has to pay for it. But by no means did I instigate this mentally deficient situation.
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Of course I'm biased, you are talking to me about my opinion of a character in a game.
The order of events was Bowie demanding Sevastian step down within hours of secession, an obvious breach of the agreed order of events placed by the Fellish Assembly. After repeated attempts to calm Bowie and to try and get him to be patient, he threatened Sevastian's Ducal Seat and Lordship seat. That is when Sevastian dug in and refused to step down from the Ruler post. I by no means am playing my character as an 'innocent victim'. He made particular decisions in particular situations and has to pay for it. But by no means did I instigate this mentally deficient situation.
Someone being mad is not considered an opinion but a fact IMO. To the rest, if you can provide quotes to support it I will believe you but I kinda doubt you were attempting to calm him as you were just saying F off, this is my throne until I get what was decided upon done. For quotes, if you choose to provide them I am not meaning a full letter but just a quoted sentence supporting your claim. If you want to provide more than a sentence that is good too.
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Well, Bowie has not come off as 'mad'. He's come off as childish and easy to goad. The poop jokes bugged me bad.
Anyway, you want quotes? Here is my favourite, after Bowie started getting insulting.
"I am being a gentleman Lord Bowie, with a bit of patience, you will get all you wish and more... A trusted ally is far better than an angry capital Duke."
And the whole copy of my first letter after his demand:
"Letter from Sevastian Guile (10 days, 23 hours ago)
Lord Imperator,
We can save money if I transfer the capital. After having spent all my hours establishing the realm I am weary, and unable to do anything else. These damned clerks take the life out of a man.
I also gave my word to reestablish the Duchess Pike to her rightful place.
The realm is yours, just be patient and let me finish the secession duties.
Sevastian Guile
Grandmaster of Swordfell
Duke of The Courts of Stone
Viscount of Balance's Retreat"
Add-on: Swordfell seriously feels like a training realm. All the realm wide OOC stuff constantly is annoying beyond belief.
/me facepalms.
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Excessive OOC messaging on Dwilight should be reported.
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It wasn't a republic or democracy mate. Arbiter was still King. Regardless, call Sevastian ousted all you want, it doesn't change things much. 8)
Uhm.... it was a Tyranny. That doesn't necessarily mean it was a kingdom. You're right though, it won't change much, since you're already ousted :P
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Uhm.... it was a Tyranny. That doesn't necessarily mean it was a kingdom. You're right though, it won't change much, since you're already ousted :P
Pffft, you're just silly. ;)
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Pffft, you're just silly. ;)
Silly = right. Alright, good discussion.
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Silly = right. Alright, good discussion.
Good = delusional.
;)
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The order of events was Bowie demanding Sevastian step down within hours of secession, an obvious breach of the agreed order of events placed by the Fellish Assembly. After repeated attempts to calm Bowie and to try and get him to be patient, he threatened Sevastian's Ducal Seat and Lordship seat. That is when Sevastian dug in and refused to step down from the Ruler post....
For the record, I asked you to step down in public saying this: "Duke Sevastian, I would like to set the duchies and move the capital. Do you think you can step down before departing Flowrestown?" and in private you answered with the letter you just posted. Then I insisted with this letter:
Request from Bowie Ironsides (16 hours, 56 minutes ago)
(Personal message to Sevastian Guile)
Duke Sevastian,
I feel sidelined in the creation of my own realm. Unfortunately, on that sentiment, this will not be an instance of me employing my patience.
I am sure there are practicalities to your resignation (such as time and energy), but I would really prefer, insist, that it is done promptly. I can handle the costs of capital transfer and the designation of the duchy. It would be ceremonial and honourable for me to do so, as is my role as ruler. If you set everything up than what good was I in all of this? I will not be a benchwarmer on the moment of my destiny.
Believe me when I say that your role is greatly appreciated, but my hands are eager to get to work themselves. I do not want to wait. Allow me my rightful position, please. My entire life has been waiting for this. All of the little check marks you need to do I will do. It is my duty to sweat the small stuff, yours to focus on our imminent capital.
For Swordfell Forever!
Bowie Ironsides
Knight of Flowrestown
To which you replied with more excuses and refusals and accusations that I was threatening your Inalienable Rights, to which after arguing, I gave you an order and ultimatum that you refused. Tough almonds!
And that, future children of Swordfell, began the Mud Crisis of the Spring of 21 YD!
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And in all of this, Ironsides, I have not once seen you so much as address the point that you ignored the plan that was set up ahead of time, wherein Sevastian would remain ruler for a period for the setup of the realm, and then step down later to allow Bowie to take the reins.
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And in all of this, Ironsides, I have not once seen you so much as address the point that you ignored the plan that was set up ahead of time, wherein Sevastian would remain ruler for a period for the setup of the realm, and then step down later to allow Bowie to take the reins.
+1
Ironsides, you can spin it all you want. Facts is facts.
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It was never planned for him to rule, only to secede and set some stuff up. I asked him to step aside so I can do the setup. Is that so wrong? We've been forging Swordfell since 2011, I wanted to get my hands in the dirt of our new garden.
His argument for the "plans" was replied with, "regardless, I'd like to do it please and thank you." He should have conceded at that.
Not to mention that he wasn't really in the plan, he just got lucky. Elbowed his way in is how I'd spin it.
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It was never planned for him to rule, only to secede and set some stuff up. I asked him to step aside so I can do the setup. Is that so wrong? We've been forging Swordfell since 2011, I wanted to get my hands in the dirt of our new garden.
His argument for the "plans" was replied with, "regardless, I'd like to do it please and thank you." He should have conceded at that.
Not to mention that he wasn't really in the plan, he just got lucky. Elbowed his way in is how I'd spin it.
It was planned for Sevastian to relocate the capital and re-establish the Duchy in Flowrestown. Bowie didn't ask, he demanded. Being an impatient and combative jerk is pretty wrong IMHO.
Exactly, Bowie's response was: "Plans? Pffft. Gimme."
And it wasn't luck that got Sevastian to the throne. It was planning and being stubborn.
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To quote a third party in our affair:
Someone borrowed Bowie's sandbox and didn't give it back when he asked. Who cares about plans, he is medieval noble and wants his sandbox back.
It became a demand when I started to see you throw anything you could at me to refuse. First it was "the plans." Oh, you're skipping ahead of the plans, oh what about all of our iron clad rule of law plans? The Assembly didn't vote you to have that position, you got it by being stubborn and sensitive.
After I shrugged at your plans then you started accusing me of treading on your IR's and threatened to go to the Titans. So I figured, well this guy is going to great lengths it must mean he has no plans to resign at all. Because if he did, when I put him on the spot he should have just stepped down. But you didn't so I drew a line and gave you an order/ultimatum.
Point for Demon!
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lol
Ironsides, Bowie's letter is ridiculous.
You basically said, "Here, I've done no work– let me do work so I can take glory from you."
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lol
Ironsides, Bowie's letter is ridiculous.
You basically said, "Here, I've done no work– let me do work so I can take glory from you."
I disagree. It's more like I have been working to forge this realm for years and the rightful ruler so I want the glory that I deserve.
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lol
Ironsides, Bowie's letter is ridiculous.
You basically said, "Here, I've done no work– let me do work so I can take glory from you."
Penchant is absolutely right. Ask any other Fellish noble my involvement in creating Swordfell. Should I also remind everyone that I was ELECTED by the nobles to be the first ruler? Gee, was I tossed under the bus fast. No thanks to the brown stain!
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Sevastian /was/ chosen by the nobles of Swordfell to secede and create the realm. Or did you forget the entire switching allegiances fiasco? Or the vote that made BR the capital? Or the fact that Sevastian out maneuvered you and Abbigal to get the seceding duchy?
You are an absolute wonder Ironsides.
You pushed too far, and get to deal with the repercussions. Quit whining.
Penchant is absolutely right. Ask any other Fellish noble my involvement in creating Swordfell. Should I also remind everyone that I was ELECTED by the nobles to be the first ruler? Gee, was I tossed under the bus fast. No thanks to the brown stain!
Also, You weren't elected. Your character was. Please, for the love of all that is holy, start differentiating Ooc and IC. The messages in game are bad enough, but for it to start spilling over here is just sad.
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You pushed too far, and get to deal with the repercussions. Quit whining.
Also, You weren't elected. Your character was. Please, for the love of all that is holy, start differentiating Ooc and IC. The messages in game are bad enough, but for it to start spilling over here is just sad.
You need to stop picking on the kettle, otherwise he's going to point out that you are an inner-city youth as well. Most of this thread has been a mishmash of IC/OOC flamewares. Amusing, yes...relevant, less so...making swordfell look good, not really.
So, in other news...it looks like some people are starting to join our fledgling realm. Anyone else planning on setting up shop in an interesting and dynamic republic full of proud men and passionate political discourse?
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Also, You weren't elected. Your character was. Please, for the love of all that is holy, start differentiating Ooc and IC. The messages in game are bad enough, but for it to start spilling over here is just sad.
+9000
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Also, You weren't elected. Your character was. Please, for the love of all that is holy, start differentiating Ooc and IC. The messages in game are bad enough, but for it to start spilling over here is just sad.
Obviously this is a discussion about our IC characters and the events around them. Da doi!
Anyway, the point being is that if Sevastian wants to participate in the realm instead of being a cloistered realm-within-a-realm he will have to approach the group with the attitude of repentance. He was in the wrong. So what if bowie insulted him, is anyone surprised? but EVERYONE is surprised that Sevastian turned out to be a traitor.
Swordfell can still live in harmony. But it starts with you
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No Bowie, harmony starts with you stopping your childish "brown stain" insults.
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Let him make his dumb jokes Thalryn. Only time will tell who wins this one.
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No Bowie, harmony starts with you stopping your childish "brown stain" insults.
Its called being the bigger man and stopping being childish before the other one apologizes.
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Penchant: Sevastian has Bowie blocked from contacting him. He hasnt responded to anything from Bowie in days. You need to get up to date if you want to keep jumping in to defend Bowie.
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Penchant: Sevastian has Bowie blocked from contacting him. He hasnt responded to anything from Bowie in days. You need to get up to date if you want to keep jumping in to defend Bowie.
I already knew this, doesn't mean Sevastion couldn't be the bigger man by taking him off the ignore list and trying to work it out, and I don't really get how saying that is defending Bowie.
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Its called being the bigger man and stopping being childish before the other one apologizes.
Didi I say he should apologize? It just needs to stop, especially considering that now it's just OOC and out of line.
I don't see Sevastian doing anything to stop "harmony in realm." Yes there were issues with that, justified or not, but he's contributing positively to the realm while Bowie is writing satirical plays.
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How much would Swordfell pay me NOT to join them, you think? 8)
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Swordfell can still live in harmony. But it starts with you
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND ALL THAT IS HOLY SEPARATE IC AND OOC.
It starts with Sevastian. Emphatically not Woelfy.
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FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND ALL THAT IS HOLY SEPARATE IC AND OOC.
It starts with Sevastian. Emphatically no Woelfy.
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Now! To Swordfell news - two more people have joined the tea party!
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FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND ALL THAT IS HOLY SEPARATE IC AND OOC.
It starts with Sevastian. Emphatically not Woelfy.
How is it not clear that I am talking about Sevastian? Do I have to use his name every single time or can I just use second person?
Anyway..........
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Guys why keep whining about this on the forum? Just kill each other IC or something. Both of you have equal rights to all those things your char just needs to be stubborn and perhaps power hungry smart enough to take it and keep it. The latter is often done by convincing other people you are more right than the other guy, no matter if it is true or not. OOC has nothing to do with all of this.
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Guys why keep whining about this on the forum? Just kill each other IC or something. Both of you have equal rights to all those things your char just needs to be stubborn and perhaps power hungry smart enough to take it and keep it. The latter is often done by convincing other people you are more right than the other guy, no matter if it is true or not. OOC has nothing to do with all of this.
See, this is the problem: Neither of them believes the other has equal rights to the things.
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Then let them sort that out IC. To me this sounds like a simple powerclash, we've seen dozens of those in BM but never have I seen one derail so badly on the forum...
He who gets and holds the position spoke the truth, just make sure you get the position and your story was apparently truthful. (Doesn't matter if it was, you're the one writing history after all not the "losing" guy).
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Good thing Sevastian has royal status, his duchy, and his region then.
History is written by those who can win.
/me is winning like Charlie Sheen.
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Doped out on 8-balls and sleeping with hookers?
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Doped out on 8-balls and sleeping with hookers?
It's the Lurian dream!!
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Doped out on 8-balls and sleeping with hookers?
Winning! 8)
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Dear Ironsides,
You're doing it wrong.
If you want to insult a ruler, you have to have finesse.
Please follow Brom's example: http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,3741.0.html (http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,3741.0.html)
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Dear Ironsides,
You're doing it wrong.
If you want to insult a ruler, you have to have finesse.
Please follow Brom's example: http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,3741.0.html (http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,3741.0.html)
+1
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Hahahaha, well done Silverfire. That's smooth.
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Two week anniversary of Swordfell's foundation!
It's party time in Flowrestown! Yeet yeeet! 8)
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Pian en Luries/Solaria, whichever one sounds best.
What about Alanna Anaris?
There is exactly one Solarian Queen and she's not above forging very insulting letters to pass to her mad as a hatter husband to rage at and attempt to kill for making that claim.
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There is exactly one Solarian Queen and she's not above forging very insulting letters to pass to her mad as a hatter husband to rage at and attempt to kill for making that claim.
I was waiting to see this 8) I heart Jonsu!
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There is exactly one Solarian Queen and she's not above forging very insulting letters to pass to her mad as a hatter husband to rage at and attempt to kill for making that claim.
Well then you can have him make your colony on his own. Don't look to Alice for any help :P
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Well then you can have him make your colony on his own. Don't look to Alice for any help :P
Stormfell? You guys are still going ahead with that? Lulz.
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I don't know, ask your wife.
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Stormfell? You guys are still going ahead with that? Lulz.
Epic double lulz.
Stormfell's that desire to make a militaristic realm in the only realm that has distance from realm and large boarding coasts no matter who it attacks, right? ::)
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Epic double lulz.
Stormfell's that desire to make a militaristic realm in the only realm that has distance from realm and large boarding coasts no matter who it attacks, right? ::)
Stormfell was Sev's brainchild. With the code changes to sea travel, it's going to be a lot more expensive to create.
Serious lulz.
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Stormfell was Sev's brainchild. With the code changes to sea travel, it's going to be a lot more expensive to create.
Serious lulz.
As opposed to before, where every way out leads you to a fortified city.
Brillant.
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As opposed to before, where every way out leads you to a fortified city.
Brillant.
Based on how Dhara was faring when the idea came into being, it would have been better than trying it now. You guys bounced back beautifully from the long winter.
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Based on how Dhara was faring when the idea came into being, it would have been better than trying it now. You guys bounced back beautifully from the long winter.
Then they protested out the Banker who set them on the road to recovery for embezzling. It was a frame job, through and through ;). She's perfectly content in Luria now by the way. No Gornak around to make her braincells want to commit hari-kiri.
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Based on how Dhara was faring when the idea came into being, it would have been better than trying it now. You guys bounced back beautifully from the long winter.
We always do. Wasn't the first time D'Hara starved. We did lose almost all of our regions before. And heck, it did cause squatters then too. In fact, it was only after then that we truly became prosperous and rich, we had never been rich before. The only difference was that the squatters had chosen Port Nebel instead of Paisly, and our capital was Paisly instead of Qubel Lighthouse.
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Then they protested out the Banker who set them on the road to recovery for embezzling. It was a frame job, through and through ;). She's perfectly content in Luria now by the way. No Gornak around to make her braincells want to commit hari-kiri.
Stealing gold from the realm does tend to make you get protested out. Did Jonsu actually embezzle or were you framed as you imply above? My character would have protested even if he knew Jonsu was innocent as he didn't care for you one bit with you putting your name in practically every election as he saw you as power hungry and not ever caring for the position you have but the position you hope for.
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I always suspected Jonsu of spying. And besides, Jonsu was always a disruptive element. I didn't bother checking if the allegations were true, I was all too happy to go along with them. :P Jonsu going to the Lurias "confirmed" our suspicions. ;)
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I always suspected Jonsu of spying. And besides, Jonsu was always a disruptive element. I didn't bother checking if the allegations were true, I was all too happy to go along with them. :P Jonsu going to the Lurias "confirmed" our suspicions. ;)
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Swordfell is breaking in my 'realm-wide-rp' cherry. Bowie is hosting a grand ole' time in Flowrestown.
I suppose there are also some fun things going on in other places...
Roleplay from Sevastian Guile
Message sent to everyone in your realm (16 recipients)
Atop the outer walls of Skyreach Hold in Balance's Retreat, Duke Guile paces, muttering all the while. The pre-dawn Spring air is brisk, and a harsh wind makes his black cloak flare as he strides along, his retinue and personal guard in his wake.
"Damnable fools, off prancing about like ninnies when there is work to be done... Trust the flatlanders, they said! It'll be fun, they said! Bah! At least they leave the real men to work in peace," he comments as his Captain approaches.
"Your Grace, the bodies of executed prisoners are starting to get too numerous for our current storage. Permission to bury the remains?" the middle-aged Special Forces soldier asks cautiously.
"Burn them, they are not fit to rest in these Mountains. Not even a stable hand of House Ironsides will find solace in these stones."
...All that's missing is the maniacal laugh. Woelfy, I'm appreciating Sevastian's villainous nature more and more.
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I do aim to please. 8)
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Ya, I really liked that RP too Woelfy. It suited the moment perfectly after Enoch was wondering about Sevastian. Like the camera "cut to" Sevastian pacing back and forth. Juxtaposition was perfect ;D
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I always suspected Jonsu of spying. And besides, Jonsu was always a disruptive element. I didn't bother checking if the allegations were true, I was all too happy to go along with them. :P Jonsu going to the Lurias "confirmed" our suspicions. ;)
Jonsu was actually fiercly loyal to D'hara up until she got protested out. The straw that broke the camel's back was the protests that started with "if the allegations are true". She had turned down an offer to join Luria prior to that. As for whether the allegations are true, I'll leave that unanswered. Ask Jonsu. Hilarious though that I got convicted of embezzling as Banker of D'hara... Twice. With two different characters.
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Jonsu was actually fiercly loyal to D'hara up until she got protested out. The straw that broke the camel's back was the protests that started with "if the allegations are true". She had turned down an offer to join Luria prior to that. As for whether the allegations are true, I'll leave that unanswered. Ask Jonsu. Hilarious though that I got convicted of embezzling as Banker of D'hara... Twice. With two different characters.
Luria (Sevastian in particular) got lucky that the Himoura family is so infamous. Silly D'Harans tossing out the lovely Jonsu.
/me scoops up the exile and marries her.
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Mere rumors can have very real effects, apparently. Just like Obama being a Muslim socialist, right? ;)
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Mere rumors can have very real effects, apparently. Just like Obama being a Muslim socialist, right? ;)
What is this?! The Commander-in-Chief of the USA has suffered slanderous attacks on his person and deemed him a threat to the security of the country?! Never!!
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Jonsu was actually fiercly loyal to D'hara up until she got protested out. The straw that broke the camel's back was the protests that started with "if the allegations are true". She had turned down an offer to join Luria prior to that. As for whether the allegations are true, I'll leave that unanswered. Ask Jonsu. Hilarious though that I got convicted of embezzling as Banker of D'hara... Twice. With two different characters.
Well Constantine continuously supported Jonsu throughout her whole time in D'Hara, even when she was acting in a blatantly provocative manner, so her betrayal (which is really what joining an enemy realm is regardless of the circumstances) was something he took rather personally.
That said even while Constantine supported her I am pretty convinced on an OOC level that Jonsu was indeed embezzling funds. The message that gold was being stolen from the tax coffers had to have come from somewhere and her explanations/attempts to pin it on others don't make sense from an OOC/game mechanics perspective.
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The proof could have been forged. But then again, if Jonsu joined the Lurias, it's proof that she was a traitor all along. :P
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The proof could have been forged. But then again, if Jonsu joined the Lurias, it's proof that she was a traitor all along. :P
By who? It was a game-mechanics message not just a report from a noble. How do you forge such a message? (genuinely curious now)
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Not everyone gets that message. The one who reported it could have forged it.
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You cannot forge game mechanics messages. If the game tells you that something happened, then it happened. The only way to trigger the "someone altered the accounts and stole money" or whatever it is that it says, is for the banker to cook the books. The character can try and spin it, or pass it off on someone else. But as a player, you can know that the *only* way for it to happen is the banker.
There have been ideas for making it so that there are multiple ways to get the same message, but I don't know how many things this applies to. So far as I know, there is a delayed-buy option for buying lordships that looks just like the spontaneous uprising and naming of a random noble as lord.
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Not everyone gets that message. The one who reported it could have forged it.
Well, yes. Anything that another player copy/pastes to you could easily be forged. But if you get it directly from the game itself, then it happened.
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So far as I know, there is a delayed-buy option for buying lordships that looks just like the spontaneous uprising and naming of a random noble as lord.
I thought the "buy lordship" feature was scrapped?
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You cannot forge game mechanics messages. If the game tells you that something happened, then it happened. The only way to trigger the "someone altered the accounts and stole money" or whatever it is that it says, is for the banker to cook the books. The character can try and spin it, or pass it off on someone else. But as a player, you can know that the *only* way for it to happen is the banker.
Exactly- OOC it can't really be denied that Jonsu did it as the initial messages came straight from the game.
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I thought the "buy lordship" feature was scrapped?
The ability to buy the lordship of your own realm's regions was scrapped. However, you can still buy foreign regions, and bring them to your realm. I *think* you can choose to buy them immediately, or buy them at the next turn change. I don't recall, exactly....
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Well, yes. Anything that another player copy/pastes to you could easily be forged. But if you get it directly from the game itself, then it happened.
I don't believe the whole realm got a message about the banker doing something fishy, I think it's a character who brought forth an alleged game-generated report he got.
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I don't believe the whole realm got a message about the banker doing something fishy, I think it's a character who brought forth an alleged game-generated report he got.
Is the message only sent to Lords then? Because I am pretty sure that my character got a game-generated report...
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Is the message only sent to Lords then? Because I am pretty sure that my character got a game-generated report...
The message is sent to the lord or lady of the region in question, at the very least. I can count on one hand the number of times that someone has forged that message for the purpose that some have described. And because cooking the books happens so infrequently, it's not usually a word-for-word copy of the game event message.
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The message is sent to the lord or lady of the region in question, at the very least. I can count on one hand the number of times that someone has forged that message for the purpose that some have described. And because cooking the books happens so infrequently, it's not usually a word-for-word copy of the game event message.
I REALLY should have made myself a txt document for all of these nasty game reports (secret police used on you, secret police detecting rebel activities, someone cooking the books, etc.). Would quite useful to have the authentic messages on hand for... special events. :P
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I've often thought the same thing. Not just for the occasional forgery, but for verifying whether or not someone was trying to pull a fast one on me. Not sure how meta-gamey that would be, though...
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I've often thought the same thing. Not just for the occasional forgery, but for verifying whether or not someone was trying to pull a fast one on me. Not sure how meta-gamey that would be, though...
The second function is pretty meta-gamey. The first is only playing on other players' meta-gaming, so totally legit. ;)
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You'd be surprised how quickly people take the words of (game generated) guard over that of respected noblemen.
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You'd be surprised how quickly people take the words of (game generated) guard over that of respected noblemen.
Honestly, one thing that drives me up the wall more than anything is someone trying to claim, despite all the evidence of many years of reliable reports, that this one report that says they did something bad is false.
Personally, I reject the notion that noblemen saw the world in such black-and-white terms that they would believe that a commoner who had served the realm faithfully for many years, delivering accurate reports, would suddenly and for no specific reason decide to claim falsely that a nobleman did something bad, over believing that the nobleman actually had done it, and was trying to lie to get out of punishment.
Believing that a habitual thief and liar is not telling the truth when he is accused of picking the Margrave's pocket? Sure. That makes perfect sense.
Believing that the Margrave's own eighty-year-old seneschal would falsely accuse the Margrave of some crime? That doesn't fly.
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Yea, but if Bob the margrave says that his "own eighty-year-old seneschal" alerted him of duke George's misdoings, what's more probable: That duke George really did something wrong, or that margrave Bob is making it up?
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Swordfell makes me want to smash things. I'm dismayed at the OOC chatter and disappointed in the lack of adhering to the game mechanics. Seriously, rp only goes so far.
/me facedesks.
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Oh oh - looks like somebody doesn't like talking during a movie? Especially when everyone else BUT him is in on the wisecracking.
You know, you could always watch the DVD again later...just saying. 8)
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Ironsides, are you really that immature? I don't give two damns about whatever jokes are being made IC. I am disgusted at how little division is shown between Ooc and IC.
As a player, I am enjoying myself considerably reading all the nonsense in game. At the same time, it bothers me that the entire realm is being subjected to OOC conversations that have nothing to do with anything. It's an SMA island, not a forum to talk Ooc.
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So what's up with Balance's Retreat being completely cut off from the rest of the realm?
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North Divide was just taken, BR is connected to the rest of the 'civilized' lands finally.
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I don't believe the whole realm got a message about the banker doing something fishy, I think it's a character who brought forth an alleged game-generated report he got.
The only person who came forward with the message was one of Jonsu's biggest political oppenants, Edimilison. She had actually taken to cooking his books everytime he was disrespectful to her. He in private ordered Jonsu under his authority as Vice Marshal (quaking in my boots... >.<) to give him a duchy's food reports. Jonsu told him to ask in a more respectful manner twice and he failed to comply and embezzled each time. However I will say my family wealth went up several thousand gold while Jonsu was banker :p
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The only person who came forward with the message was one of Jonsu's biggest political oppenants, Edimilison. She had actually taken to cooking his books everytime he was disrespectful to her. He in private ordered Jonsu under his authority as Vice Marshal (quaking in my boots... >.<) to give him a duchy's food reports. Jonsu told him to ask in a more respectful manner twice and he failed to comply and embezzled each time. However I will say my family wealth went up several thousand gold while Jonsu was banker :p
Haha. Edimilson might have been Jonsu's most vocal political opponant, but I'm not convinced he was the actual biggest. 8)
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Haha. Edimilson might have been Jonsu's most vocal political opponant, but I'm not convinced he was the actual biggest. 8)
Touche.
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Not to derail this thread, but it's an interesting topic that's come up re: trust and game-generated event messages. Scout reports (even when they're copy/pasted, as from a priest/ess), bank transaction records, failed report of assassination attempts, spel castings, market reports, etc., are all usually taken as articles of faith. We do this in part subconsciously, because a game needs a few points of stability that everyone can reference if the whole thing is going to work.
I came to see things this way because I noticed that, when one of these event messages appears, people almost always copy and paste the whole thing. Timestamp, heading, and all. They even do it when copy/pasting letters. It's already understood that these kinds of messages are important, and those little details add to the weight of the evidence. They're like seals of authenticity. Have people forged these? Yep. Is it allowed? Of course. Does it probably do more harm to the player community than it benefits any single individual? I think so. It's a sportsmanship question.
If we want to continue this discussion, I think it'd be a really interesting thread. It could even run through a series of questions like these. Now, back to the Odd Family that is Bowie and Sevastian. ;)
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Now, back to the Odd Family that is Bowie and Sevastian. ;)
Hahaha, it's actually the Sevastian Show especially feat. Bowie the Imbecile Ironsides as the 'comedic' 'villain'. He may as well be an NPC as far as my character is concerned.
/me took a page out of Gustav's book.
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Ironsides, are you really that immature? I don't give two damns about whatever jokes are being made IC. I am disgusted at how little division is shown between Ooc and IC.
As a player, I am enjoying myself considerably reading all the nonsense in game. At the same time, it bothers me that the entire realm is being subjected to OOC conversations that have nothing to do with anything. It's an SMA island, not a forum to talk Ooc.
You know, you don't always have to be on the receiving end of reporting:
http://battlemaster.org/testing/SMAReport.php (http://battlemaster.org/testing/SMAReport.php)
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That link does not work for me for some reason.
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You may need to add www. to it.
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Woelfy's just being cranky. There were three OOC messages before he went off.
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You know, you don't always have to be on the receiving end of reporting:
http://battlemaster.org/testing/SMAReport.php (http://battlemaster.org/testing/SMAReport.php)
Har. Har. Har. Love you too Egamma.
Link seems to work for me.
/me shrugs.
I have asked for the OOC chatter (of which there is far too much) to stay down, hopefully people listen for a change.
Swordfell so far is the least SMA realm I've ever seen. It's kind of disappointing.
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After someone posted the humorous article at the academy (a good one), a noble in Asylon left the kingdom to join this new stage.
I honestly don't know if he's stupid or a comedian looking for opportunities :)
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You guessed it Forum! Sevastian has just been exiled. Dun dun dunnnn!
Stay tuned for more details from your friendly neighbourhood Republic!
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After someone posted the humorous article at the academy (a good one), a noble in Asylon left the kingdom to join this new stage.
I honestly don't know if he's stupid or a comedian looking for opportunities :)
Are you talking about Creed? He was one of the original minds behind the colony effort.
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You guessed it Forum! Sevastian has just been exiled. Dun dun dunnnn!
Stay tuned for more details from your friendly neighbourhood Republic!
And now the fun begins...
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And now the fun begins...
And if anyone has failed to realize it, they will now realize just how damn stubborn Sevastian is. Ready for a Duke and Ruler to hit 0 H/ 0P?
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And if anyone has failed to realize it, they will now realize just how damn stubborn Sevastian is. Ready for a Duke and Ruler to hit 0 H/ 0P?
Fools. A bunch of blind fools.
This should be funny.
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Fools. A bunch of blind fools.
This should be funny.
Exiles always are funny.
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And if anyone has failed to realize it, they will now realize just how damn stubborn Sevastian is. Ready for a Duke and Ruler to hit 0 H/ 0P?
Can't a ruler lose their position if they drop below a certain H/P threshold?
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Can't a ruler lose their position if they drop below a certain H/P threshold?
Well, she wouldn't be eligible at the next elections. And then we can get Bowie back!
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And then the whole thing starts anew!
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When is the next ruler election for Swordfell? (Is it monthly or quarterly?)
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When is the next ruler election for Swordfell? (Is it monthly or quarterly?)
Quarterly is bugged, I think, unless they fixed it. So probably in a few days.
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According to the realm government page it is quarterly which means the show will be going on for a while if we must wait until re-election time.
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Quarterly works fine, so far as I know. Astrum has done quarterly since we were formed.
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Quarterly works fine, so far as I know. Astrum has done quarterly since we were formed.
might work for Astum but for D'hara and at least one other realm, it has been bugged.
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might work for Astum but for D'hara and at least one other realm, it has been bugged.
I don't remember how so?
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I don't remember how so?
I am pretty sure there was one election season only lasting a month and last month it said there was an election but none was held.
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It is important to remember that Quarterly is the first day of the calendar quarter, not "three months between elections". If someone is elected on Dec 15, the elections will run again on Jan 1.
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It is important to remember that Quarterly is the first day of the calendar quarter, not "three months between elections". If someone is elected on Dec 15, the elections will run again on Jan 1.
Aren't there delays in cases where the elections happened too close to the planned elections? I may be making this up, but I thought I noticed that in monthly elections, if an unscheduled election happens near the end of the month, a new election does not take place. I assumed it was the same with quarterly elections. But yes indeed, theoretically, the quarterly elections are on set months, and not "three months between".
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Aren't there delays in cases where the elections happened too close to the planned elections? I may be making this up, but I thought I noticed that in monthly elections, if an unscheduled election happens near the end of the month, a new election does not take place. I assumed it was the same with quarterly elections.
That's only the case if the unscheduled election actually overlaps the first of the month.
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Anyone notice the guy who tried to assassinate Creed hanging about Abbigal while she's alone dealing with monsters in Sevastian's only farmland?
Edit: Thought I'd post a link to the Spring Opener party we had: http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Swordfell/Spring_Opener
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Anyone notice the guy who tried to assassinate Creed hanging about Abbigal while she's alone dealing with monsters in Sevastian's only farmland?
Edit: Thought I'd post a link to the Spring Opener party we had: http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Swordfell/Spring_Opener
I go where I please.
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Anyone notice the guy who tried to assassinate Creed hanging about Abbigal while she's alone dealing with monsters in Sevastian's only farmland?
Edit: Thought I'd post a link to the Spring Opener party we had: http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Swordfell/Spring_Opener
You act like trying to assassinate Creed is something frowned upon.
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You act like trying to assassinate Creed is something frowned upon.
That really is quite an insane bounty for Dwilight. He's way on up there, i can understand an infil wanting to test his mettle. :)
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I go where I please.
Where were you when my char in Westmoor marshaled an infiltrator only army? We could have used you! ... still can if you're up for it, it pays well and you belong to a super cool sounding group 8)
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Where were you when my char in Westmoor marshaled an infiltrator only army? We could have used you! ... still can if you're up for it, it pays well and you belong to a super cool sounding group 8)
After I troll your realm a bit more, I have to get some more CE heads. After that we can talk.
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After I troll your realm a bit more, I have to get some more CE heads. After that we can talk.
That is an excellent attitude for an infil. :P
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That really is quite an insane bounty for Dwilight. He's way on up there, i can understand an infil wanting to test his mettle. :)
Yep and Creed has earned every piece of gold from it. Though I did wish my scheme to buy D'Hara worked. I was offering them 10,000 units of food during the great drought as well as an initial 5000 gold to help them build their infrastructure with a steady stream of 3000 gold a week after that. But they claimed how selling their realm was not noble like and so on oh well.
As for the assassination attempt it was a good try I don't have a unit or anything but to bad my sword skill is pretty high
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You act like trying to assassinate Creed is something frowned upon.
I see Creed has no love from your character lol
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Yep and Creed has earned every piece of gold from it. Though I did wish my scheme to buy D'Hara worked. I was offering them 10,000 units of food during the great drought as well as an initial 5000 gold to help them build their infrastructure with a steady stream of 3000 gold a week after that. But they claimed how selling their realm was not noble like and so on oh well.
As for the assassination attempt it was a good try I don't have a unit or anything but to bad my sword skill is close to 90 percent.
Heh... That's quite an offer. Almost sounds unfeasible. Had I been ruler, I'd have been tempted to accept, if not only to watch you fail to provide as promised (or be made to fail). That's a lot of gold, though not that much relative to D'Hara's wealth back then. But the food... would have kept us rich. No starvation, and the Lurias would likely not have attacked. And we'd have been much stronger to deal with Aurvandil. The South would have been quite different right now... A pity.
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Yep and Creed has earned every piece of gold from it. Though I did wish my scheme to buy D'Hara worked. I was offering them 10,000 units of food during the great drought as well as an initial 5000 gold to help them build their infrastructure with a steady stream of 3000 gold a week after that. But they claimed how selling their realm was not noble like and so on oh well.
As for the assassination attempt it was a good try I don't have a unit or anything but to bad my sword skill is pretty high
You think mine is lower? :P And the whole unit thing is not a problem since I have stabbed 3 people with 60k CS around
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IS it unfeasible for one person yes but not for many. As for the food I already had the 10000 units I had them split up between a couple of nobles regions my region along had close to 4000 units at the time. As for gold that is easy to get I was a lord of a ruler region and I had close to 10,000 gold. The rest was going to come from a couple wealthy noblemen that where investing in my acquisition of the region. I would insure they received what they wished and I would rule the region with a puppet ruler.
I offered it to your ruler then go ask them if you don't believe me. I was even willing to offer half the 3000 units of food as a token of my sincerity showing that what I was saying was true but the ruler of D'Hara thought my dealings with them was evil and contacted my realm which banned me because they though buying a realm was treason to the realm.
Though Chenier who knows my character might offer the same deal in the future after he has had time to situate himself in swordfell and rebuild his fortune
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Out-of-Character from Malificar Jeckyl (1 hour, 10 minutes ago)
Message sent to everyone in your realm (17 recipients)
Public Service Announcement: Reporting Vulgarity
I really hate that I have to bring this up, but it really annoys me when I have to click on "fine for a noble" on messages I do a peer review on. Now I'm not pointing fingers, but this is ridiculous. Most of my characters don't get to do a peer review for months, and all of a sudden Malificar has had over three reviews in the last month, all of which I deemed were fine for a noble.
Please, do not use the vulgarity reporting if there is no use of curse words. Right there on that page, it tells you what should be considered vulgar. The last message I reviewed didn't even have a hint of vulgarity, with NO room for interpretation. The players doing these reviews are going to start to figure out who is reporting the messages, and judge them accordingly. I certainly have. I, as a player (not to be mistaken as my character Malificar), am starting to develop a very negative opinion of the people I suspect have been lodging false reports. Please start playing your characters and not yourselves. If you are having trouble identifying a word as vulgar, please consult m-w.com. If you fail to find an entry, please consult urbandictionary.com
Thank you for your time, and reading this Public Service Announcement.
p.s. if you leave everything as happening to your character and not yourself, you will significantly reduce the stress in your life.
Andrew "Jeckyl" Hyde
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Well said Mssr Hyde. Glad to know I'm not the only one extremely annoyed by this misusage of mechanics for personal gain.
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IS it unfeasible for one person yes but not for many. As for the food I already had the 10000 units I had them split up between a couple of nobles regions my region along had close to 4000 units at the time. As for gold that is easy to get I was a lord of a ruler region and I had close to 10,000 gold. The rest was going to come from a couple wealthy noblemen that where investing in my acquisition of the region. I would insure they received what they wished and I would rule the region with a puppet ruler.
I offered it to your ruler then go ask them if you don't believe me. I was even willing to offer half the 3000 units of food as a token of my sincerity showing that what I was saying was true but the ruler of D'Hara thought my dealings with them was evil and contacted my realm which banned me because they though buying a realm was treason to the realm.
Though Chenier who knows my character might offer the same deal in the future after he has had time to situate himself in swordfell and rebuild his fortune
We should have took your gift, then had you banned.
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I always choose fine befitting for a noble because I know people abuse it
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I always choose fine befitting for a noble because I know people abuse it
Do you even check to see if someone's being called a !@#$head or something equally (or more) vulgar? Or do you just assume that this feature is worse than useless, and proceed to make it worse by your active interference with its proper function?
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I always choose fine befitting for a noble because I know people abuse it
I can't even find words to describe what I think of this.
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"I have easily falsifiable beliefs that lead me to wildly irrational and anti-social behavior"
Said Glaumring always and everywhere.
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Do you even check to see if someone's being called a !@#$head or something equally (or more) vulgar? Or do you just assume that this feature is worse than useless, and proceed to make it worse by your active interference with its proper function?
Well when there is swear words and stuff sure, but when people are insulting each other with poopy words I tend to let it slide, not once have I ever read more than the word '!@#$' being used and that was a long time ago. In regards to the recent ones from Swordfell, I saw nothing wrong with them, sure they were a bit uncouth or rough but nothing worth losing sleep over, in Swordfells case the vulgarity button is being abused in my opinion.
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Exactly.
There is a difference between being insulting, and being vulgar. The people making the reports are either super sensitive, or are intentionally leaking letters using that mechanic.
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Or are out to get you, no matter how. I've seen one or two, and while not quite polite, perhaps not quite in keeping with SMA, they weren't vulgar.
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Or are out to get you, no matter how. I've seen one or two, and while not quite polite, perhaps not quite in keeping with SMA, they weren't vulgar.
That first part is something that strikes me as odd. That's going pretty far to be a douchebag.
Vulgarity is something I try to limit to my real life communications, or Ooc stuff online.
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All I saw was a bunch of windy insults. I just feel that in many many cases people are arguing IG and take it personal and the only way to extract vengeance for some is to then start picking apart their conversations by using the vulgarity button. If there isn't any RL R-rated swear words I generally don't care. I have been under the vulgar button many times myself for equally dumb complaints. Thicken up and remember the best way to beat someone is with your sword.
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I've seen two or three vulgarity messages and declared every one of them vulgar. They all contained things that just seemed inconceivable for a noble to say, in a manner which would not be acceptable.
I generally think vulgarity is underused, not over-used.
Also, vulgarity is emphatically NOT an OOC language police feature. Hence why you can't flag OOC messages as vulgar. It's an IC tool for IC breaches of etiquette.
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Congrats on being the only one to think that Vellos. Considering you are one of those people that in the past has been considered abusing that system, that says much regarding your opinion on the subject.
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If you read the featyre description, it's all IC.
The earlier abuse was about using it as a way of leaking messages; which, yes, is abuse and, no, I don't do anymore.
I'm saying that the messages I saw did appear vulgar. I may have seen different messages, of course.
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...They all contained things that just seemed inconceivable for a noble to say, in a manner which would not be acceptable....
Inconceivable for an ordinary noble to say. The Demon of Dwilight, however, is not an ordinary noble. Bowie is often a target of vulgarity reports (which I am sure many of you have seen), but I have to say that to deem his words vulgar, even when they are, is taking him and his speech out of context. He's possessed by a demon. What kind of demon says, "please and thank you," and "what a lovely day we're having madame." He's a bomb thrower, an eye gouger. It's his job to spark controversy and rant. I hoped that people would enjoy the depths he can reach when he really gets fired up :)
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Inconceivable for an ordinary noble to say. The Demon of Dwilight, however, is not an ordinary noble. Bowie is often a target of vulgarity reports (which I am sure many of you have seen), but I have to say that to deem his words vulgar, even when they are, is taking him and his speech out of context. He's possessed by a demon. What kind of demon says, "please and thank you," and "what a lovely day we're having madame." He's a bomb thrower, an eye gouger. It's his job to spark controversy and rant. I hoped that people would enjoy the depths he can reach when he really gets fired up :)
He wouldn't be viewed as having much etiquette, and thus wouldn't get much respect from many. Thus the honor drops. There's no further consequences, so it's all fine.
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Inconceivable for an ordinary noble to say. The Demon of Dwilight, however, is not an ordinary noble. Bowie is often a target of vulgarity reports (which I am sure many of you have seen), but I have to say that to deem his words vulgar, even when they are, is taking him and his speech out of context. He's possessed by a demon. What kind of demon says, "please and thank you," and "what a lovely day we're having madame." He's a bomb thrower, an eye gouger. It's his job to spark controversy and rant. I hoped that people would enjoy the depths he can reach when he really gets fired up :)
It doesn't matter whether he's possessed by a demon. He still gets exactly the same benefit of the doubt when it comes to mode of speech as every other noble.
If you, the player, were to go up to a large, angry biker and call him a series of vulgar names, would you expect him to ask whether you were possessed by a demon before beating you to a pulp?
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He wouldn't be viewed as having much etiquette, and thus wouldn't get much respect from many. Thus the honor drops. There's no further consequences, so it's all fine.
Since the vulgarity feature is IC, I have to agree with this. It's not abuse or a breach of the social contract, it's just a normal consequence for your character. You don't have to stop, only to accept the inevitable consequences.
It's like the honour drop for infiltrator actions.
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Inconceivable for an ordinary noble to say. The Demon of Dwilight, however, is not an ordinary noble.
Actually, he is ordinary. He is as ordinary as every other noble on the entire island. He gets no special treatment, other than that which he can demand IC, and enforce through his own actions. He does not get any special treatment just because you say he is "possessed".
He's possessed by a demon.
That may be your RP reason, but no one else is forced to accept that explanation. Everyone else is free to RP whatever reason they want. Such as Bowie is crazy, or a fool, or mentally deficient. Or all three.
What kind of demon says, "please and thank you," and "what a lovely day we're having madame." He's a bomb thrower, an eye gouger. It's his job to spark controversy and rant. I hoped that people would enjoy the depths he can reach when he really gets fired up :)
That's fine, but he still has to pay the consequences for his ignoble behavior.
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Inconceivable for an ordinary noble to say. The Demon of Dwilight, however, is not an ordinary noble. Bowie is often a target of vulgarity reports (which I am sure many of you have seen), but I have to say that to deem his words vulgar, even when they are, is taking him and his speech out of context. He's possessed by a demon. What kind of demon says, "please and thank you," and "what a lovely day we're having madame." He's a bomb thrower, an eye gouger. It's his job to spark controversy and rant. I hoped that people would enjoy the depths he can reach when he really gets fired up :)
Ooo! OOo! Ooo! I love special pleading!
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Inconceivable for an ordinary noble to say. The Demon of Dwilight, however, is not an ordinary noble. Bowie is often a target of vulgarity reports (which I am sure many of you have seen), but I have to say that to deem his words vulgar, even when they are, is taking him and his speech out of context. He's possessed by a demon. What kind of demon says, "please and thank you," and "what a lovely day we're having madame." He's a bomb thrower, an eye gouger. It's his job to spark controversy and rant. I hoped that people would enjoy the depths he can reach when he really gets fired up :)
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Hahahahahaha, great meme choice JeVondair.
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I, too, think the vulgarity feature is clearly a way to help regulate IC behavior/language and act accordingly when I am called upon to review a message. I've have recieved two in the past week or so from Swordfell I think.
However, I think both of those I chose befitting of a noble. You can insult people all you want, that's great. Just don't do it 1) with curse words, or 2) in a very 21st century internet flame fest manner.
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I've have a character that received vulgairyt because he was offensive, abused of cursed words... or even because he was chauvinist at some opportunities. In some of situations, a vulgarity because of the three at the same discussion.
And when I said I loved when I saw his messages being displayed as vulgarity, they stopped. Sometimes I felt it legitimate but some times are purely from OOC behavior reflected in game. They were not just judging the character and his personality, but what they, as players, don't like to see.
And yes, sometimes they used vulgarity in more exalted strategic discussions just to spread it to the entire continent. A shame.
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A current update on Swordfell, Dwilight's most pathetic colony realm!
Skiarxon Guldan, in pursuit of the bounty on Creed Avon's head, has been chased out of the realm due to the harassments of the Judge and Ruler. Malvolia Cancelot, in a show of solidarity amongst the nobles of the Courts of Stone, has indicated she will leave as well.
The two-faced Abbigal says everyone will receive a fair trial, yet to this date, none of the legal matters of Swordfell have received anything close to a trial, let alone a fair one.
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A current update on Swordfell, Dwilight's most pathetic colony realm!
Skiarxon Guldan, in pursuit of the bounty on Creed Avon's head, has been chased out of the realm due to the harassments of the Judge and Ruler. Malvolia Cancelot, in a show of solidarity amongst the nobles of the Courts of Stone, has indicated she will leave as well.
The two-faced Abbigal says everyone will receive a fair trial, yet to this date, none of the legal matters of Swordfell have received anything close to a trial, let alone a fair one.
I never said I would stay long but I will come back for the giggles.
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I never said I would stay long but I will come back for the giggles.
Lol, good man. Come get that money! ;)
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A current update on Swordfell, Dwilight's most pathetic colony realm!
Skiarxon Guldan, in pursuit of the bounty on Creed Avon's head, has been chased out of the realm due to the harassments of the Judge and Ruler. Malvolia Cancelot, in a show of solidarity amongst the nobles of the Courts of Stone, has indicated she will leave as well.
The two-faced Abbigal says everyone will receive a fair trial, yet to this date, none of the legal matters of Swordfell have received anything close to a trial, let alone a fair one.
That argument is horrible biased with IC information from sombody who arguess for keeping the game in gane and seperating the IC and OOC information
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Those are cold hard facts.
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A current update on Swordfell, Dwilight's most pathetic colony realm!
Skiarxon Guldan, in pursuit of the bounty on Creed Avon's head, has been chased out of the realm due to the harassments of the Judge and Ruler. Malvolia Cancelot, in a show of solidarity amongst the nobles of the Courts of Stone, has indicated she will leave as well.
The two-faced Abbigal says everyone will receive a fair trial, yet to this date, none of the legal matters of Swordfell have received anything close to a trial, let alone a fair one.
A slightly different version of an update.
A update on Swordfell Dwilights newest Republic Colony and that has had turmoil sense it started.
After being exiled by Lady Imperatrice Abbigail the insane Duke Sevastian locks himself in is estate and throws festivals because he can do little else. Sevastian refused to leave the realm even though it is obvious that he is not wanted. Sevastian is challanged to a Duel for insulting the Chancellor but refused saying that he beleives the Chancellor to not being worthy of being called a noble. Sevastain continues to insult and ridicule any noble that does not submit to his idilogy.
Skiarxon Guldan leaves after being asked to do so after the Chancellor Maxter ask him to do so after attempting to Collect the bounty on Creed Avon and failing. Skiarxon was also charged with an attack on Lord Elroth of the Court of Stone. Skiarxon did not deny either attack only said there was nothing in the wrtten laws that made doing so illegal. In fact he freely admitted to the attack on Sir Creed and said the following in response to accusation of attacking Lord Elroth "For Elorth now. Snakes are better put down and you should thank me about it. For if he betrayed someone once he will do it a second time."
Malvolia Cancelot in solidarity with a fellow shadow walker indicates that she will leave as well rather then be act under the surveillance, orders, or anything like that.
Lord Elroth changed duchies after the attack and accused Sevastian of betraying everyone in the realm. Lord Elroth also accused Sevastian of being a tyrant and said he could not longer follow him because of his conscious.
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I never said I would stay long but I will come back for the giggles.
I think it would be great to have Skiarxon back. Though hopefully by the time he returts the laws about infiltrators will be ironed out.
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Ooo! OOo! Ooo! I love special pleading!
For some reason this reminded me of the episode of the Simpsons when Bart dates Rev Lovejoy's daughter. The scene where Lovejoy kicks Bart out of his house saying, "Don't you ever come near my daughter again! Never have I heard such gratuitous use of the word "butt.""
and Bart says, "But...but...but..."
:P
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Hahahahahaha, great meme choice JeVondair.
I exist for your entertainment. ;D
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Purging Swordfell of the Lurians? Best thing you could possibly do.
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Purging Swordfell Dwilight of the LuriansD'harans? Best thing you could possibly do.
Fixed.
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So far the only Lurian Abbigal has had a problem with is Sevastian. Elroth, Malovia, and Obsidion are all Lurians correct?
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So far the only Lurian Abbigal has had a problem with is Sevastian. Elroth, Malovia, and Obsidion are all Lurians correct?
So far is the key word. Kick them all out! Give their lands to deserving Morekian colonists!
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Roflmao Pike, and you accuse me of a bias in my post? Jesus Christ.
There is no way whatsoever that BR and the Duchy that Sevastian holds will ever be a civil party to any realm led by Abbigal. If necessary, Sevastian can always just switch allegiance. Stronghold region ftw. Ducal power ftw.
Being Lurian? Ftw.
And to go on record, there is a huge difference in wanting Abbigal out of power and wanting to destroy the realm. Huge. Difference.
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Roflmao Pike, and you accuse me of a bias in my post? Jesus Christ.
There is no way whatsoever that BR and the Duchy that Sevastian holds will ever be a civil party to any realm led by Abbigal. If necessary, Sevastian can always just switch allegiance. Stronghold region ftw. Ducal power ftw.
Being Lurian? Ftw.
And to go on record, there is a huge difference in wanting Abbigal out of power and wanting to destroy the realm. Huge. Difference.
I am glad you are so amused. Did I at any point claim that my version was unbiased? I am just saying in the past you got upset when people would give in their version on IC events. You wanted IC arguments to stay IC.
I really wish Sevastian would just change allegiances and I am sure Abbigal would as well. Though of course you know that would just mean that Abbigal would have won and forced Sevastin to leave. Ftw as you would put it.
What Sevastian has done has been so much more then just against Abbigal. Depending on which letter was Sevastians true desire it ranges from all 4 election positions to just the Judge and Ruler and a few lordships. Also what sevastian wants goes against so much more planing of what the people of Swordfell had worked on for a long time. Abbigal is just the one who is actually willing to go against Sevastian and not back down.
Those are cold hard facts.
Once again the facts are subject to change depending on who tells the story.
So far is the key word. Kick them all out! Give their lands to deserving Morekian colonists!
Yet Abbigal will not toss them out unless they actually do something against her or the realm. See Sevastian and Skiarxon for examples.
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Once again the facts are subject to change depending on who tells the story.
Yet Abbigal will not toss them out unless they actually do something against her or the realm. See Sevastian and Skiarxon for examples.
Facts don't change. That's why they are called facts, Pike. Your character is a mindless tyrant. You might not like it, but that's what you've turned her into. Welcome to my Hell.
And that last bit is just laughable. Skiarxon didn't do anything against the realm, he went against Creed. Sevastian hasn't done anything against the realm since he got protested out of office, he went against Abbigal.
Sounds like you are full of !@#$, and the facts prove it.
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Abbigal is just the one who is actually willing to go against Sevastian and not back down.
Bowie's in your corner kiddo! Tag him in and he'll unleash :)
Facts don't change. That's why they are called facts, Pike. Your character is a mindless tyrant. You might not like it, but that's what you've turned her into. Welcome to my Hell.
And that last bit is just laughable. Skiarxon didn't do anything against the realm, he went against Creed. Sevastian hasn't done anything against the realm since he got protested out of office, he went against Abbigal.
Sounds like you are full of !@#$, and the facts prove it.
Come on, now you're playing rough.
You can't admit any fault in Sevastian? None at all? Not a single ounce of guilt or impurity in his chemical mixture? Not a speck of black pepper on his white tuxedo? Not a spot of rain on his suede jacket? You're going to look everyone in the eye and tell them you had nothing to do with any of this? That Sevastian is a victim and was playing nice the whole time? That Sevastian was simply obliging his own personal beliefs and everyone else was treading on him unfairly, ganging up on poor cornered little Sevastian?
That's what you're telling us?
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Pow! Truth be told!
(Special shout out goes to JeVondair!)
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How childish must you be Ironsides? I can get my crayons out if it'd help you understand the situation better.
My character came to Swordfell, was promised his ducal independence, and then immediately had that promise broken. In that, yes, Sevastian became a victim. Trusting you was an obvious mistake... But who has royal status and the creation of a realm on his family page? Oh right...
Sevastian got screwed over, and has been doing nothing but trying to ensure that the promises made to him are fulfilled, no matter if it's a popular move or not. Abbigal moving against him was her own damn fault. She could have very easily gained an ally instead of a foe.
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Go Abbigail, you can do it! Outlast his miserable Lurian ass! :P
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Go Abbigail, you can do it! Outlast his miserable Lurian ass! :P
He never has to leave while she already has lower h/p and elections. She loses by default.
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He never has to leave while she already has lower h/p and elections. She loses by default.
+1
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He never has to leave while she already has lower h/p and elections. She loses by default.
The Exile option is not for republics :p
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Facts don't change. That's why they are called facts, Pike. Your character is a mindless tyrant. You might not like it, but that's what you've turned her into. Welcome to my Hell.
And that last bit is just laughable. Skiarxon didn't do anything against the realm, he went against Creed. Sevastian hasn't done anything against the realm since he got protested out of office, he went against Abbigal.
Sounds like you are full of !@#$, and the facts prove it.
You are correct the facts to not change. Though your story and mine are two different interpretation of the facts. Seveastian and you are the only ones to call Abbigal a mindless tyrant. I am sorry if this has turned into hell for you. You are more then welcome to remove Sevastian from Sordfell when ever you like.
I still maintain that Skiarxon also attacked Lord Elroth. He was the only infiltrator in the region when it happened and at least in Abbigails mind admitted it in the same letter when he admitted to attacking Creed. Honestly if it where just the attack on Creed I do not think it would have been as bad.
As for Sevastian. Once again Sevastians letters prove otherwise. Also once again how can Sevastian go against the ruler of a realm as well the Chancalr and a few other people and say that he is not working against the realm. I think that is just more of Sevastians Lurian Logic.
Once again or view on the facts obviously differ.
He never has to leave while she already has lower h/p and elections. She loses by default.
Correct me if I am wrong. As long as Abbigal still has 10 prestige and 20 honor she can run again. Then there is still the election. Which Abbigal might win and might not. Either way I doubt Sevastian would win so it would still be a victory for Swordfell and Sevastian would be the next rulers problem.
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Mine isn't an interpretation of fact, unlike your bit Pike. Mine is a clear iteration of the facts. My characters cause controversy no matter what, that is what I meant by welcome to my Hell. Actions have reactions. Not always pleasant. It seems you are finally learning that lesson.
There is no proof that Skiarxon stabbed Elroth, and your conjecture on the matter is noted and duly dismissed.
Nor do you have proof that Sevastian actually wrote any of the letters you used as 'proof' to his rebellion. Had you used the options available to you, you would have learned that Sevastian was never a part of the underground.
Abbigal has moved against the Courts of Stone just as Bowie did. Sevastian has acted the same towards her as he has towards Bowie for the exact same threats. Abbigal is the one working against the realm, Sevastian has legitimately been content to develop his sandbox since getting protested out of office. Your character refused to accept that anyone might have ideas worth listening to, and only push your own private agenda. You knew full well what would happen to anyone moving against Sevastian's Ducal seat, as it is what led to the whole 'stewardship' issue. Bowie threatened that seat and ended up losing his rulership post. You continuing his battle was a foolish mistake. You should have learned from Bowie's mistake instead of just following the same line of thought as him.
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Mine isn't an interpretation of fact, unlike your bit Pike. Mine is a clear iteration of the facts. My characters cause controversy no matter what, that is what I meant by welcome to my Hell. Actions have reactions. Not always pleasant. It seems you are finally learning that lesson.
There is no proof that Skiarxon stabbed Elroth, and your conjecture on the matter is noted and duly dismissed.
Nor do you have proof that Sevastian actually wrote any of the letters you used as 'proof' to his rebellion. Had you used the options available to you, you would have learned that Sevastian was never a part of the underground.
Abbigal has moved against the Courts of Stone just as Bowie did. Sevastian has acted the same towards her as he has towards Bowie for the exact same threats. Abbigal is the one working against the realm, Sevastian has legitimately been content to develop his sandbox since getting protested out of office. Your character refused to accept that anyone might have ideas worth listening to, and only push your own private agenda. You knew full well what would happen to anyone moving against Sevastian's Ducal seat, as it is what led to the whole 'stewardship' issue. Bowie threatened that seat and ended up losing his rulership post. You continuing his battle was a foolish mistake. You should have learned from Bowie's mistake instead of just following the same line of thought as him.
Yes yours is an interpretation as there are obvious opinions interlaced which are not facts.
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Yes yours is an interpretation as there are obvious opinions interlaced which are not facts.
Alright, the use of the term 'mindless' is an opinion. My bad.
But the fact remains that she has lied about the legal system and done precisely what she attacked Sevastian for. She is maintaining a tyrannical rulership and only seeks to surround herself with sycophants.
The promise of fair trial and proper legal procedures is one that the Fellians held quite close, but has has been dismissed.
The Skiarxon issue is clear. Abbigal broke her own word regarding legal issues, with both charges leveled against him.
The same happened to Sevastian with his exile.
The outcome of the exile does not bother me, the fact that Abbigal and thus the player of Pike, is trying to defend what is obviously a breach of trust and faith...does bother me.
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I have already explained my proof about the infiltrator. Which are hard facts just as much as yours are.
Honestly the only issue I have with any of the way things have turned out is yours and devastions warped views of the facts the rest I just roll with.
Once again if you can claim that sevastian only attacked abbigail then I can just as easily argue that abbigal has fone after Sevastian and not the court of stone. With the exception of the infiltrator can you name any other member of the court of stone that abbigal has gone after like she has with sevastian? Once again abbigals agenda is not private it is known and held by most of the realm. Also abbigial has listend to other ideas. Why was the capital not moved? Why is abbigal working on laws about infiltars with Lady Malovia? Sevastians tyranical ideas are the only ones that are constantly ignored.
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If abbigal is only surronding herseld with her suplicants why does she work so hard to talk to everyone in the court of stone and ask their opinion.
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Because you are trying to undermine Sevastian. Hence the requests to have the infils go after him, or to have all of his vassals spy on him.
Don't play coy with me Pike, that's !@#$ing stupid.
And tyrannical ideas? Right, because fighting for your lands and domain is so tyrannical. Ffs. Do you even know what a Duke is? Seriously, do you understand what a Duke does and what it typically means to the person who gets that title? I'm starting to think you don't understand hierarchy at all.
And to clarify: attacking Sevastian is attacking the Courts of Stone. He has been Duke since before Swordfell was even a duchy within Morek. Sevastian wants Abbigal out of office, ending his exile and her tyranny. He doesn't want her to flee.
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A bit of an aside here,
When my character on the other side of the continent gets a peer-review about a message from a controversial character that is 100% tame, it looks really bad to me as a player. To me, it looks like someone is deliberately flagging all messages for vulgarity in hopes that enough of their buddies will get reviews and downvote them. This isn't reddit guys, grow up. Don't like what someone is saying? Wage war and destroy them.
Soooooo cut it out serious Karibash has better stuff to do.
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Karibash is getting messages from this situation now?
Are you !@#$ing kidding me? Seriously, there are some thin skinned people in Swordfell if they feel the need to resort to this !@#$.
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Gee, and I thought you did not swear.
I have seen been playing this for a while now. Admitidy not as long as you have. I think I have an idea what a dke dies. The way sevastian acts as a duke though I have only seen one time and that is when I had my other account in Morek and was part of Allisons duchy. Big surprise I had issues with her also. Yes I understand the hirearchy do you? The way sevastian treats his ruler I think not.
I would like to know what some of these messages are. I know I am not submiting them and would like to know who is. I agree that the messages have not been vulgur.
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I'm a former soldier. Whoever told you I don't swear was lying to you. In game, i refrain from using vulgarity, but RL me does not. I try to keep it in, on my forum posts, but the vulgarity reports are getting retarded and I'm getting pretty livid.
The way Sevastian treats his current ruler is because his current ruler is a fool. She threatened his duchy. I was beyond loyal to Malus, gave up my grief against Fulco, and am still loyal to Ingi. Don't talk about how Sevastian treats a ruler, when you are the only ruler to ever come at direct odds with him in such a manner.
I still highly doubt you understand what the Ducal title means, especially on SMA.
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I'm a former soldier. Whoever told you I don't swear was lying to you. In game, i refrain from using vulgarity, but RL me does not. I try to keep it in, on my forum posts, but the vulgarity reports are getting retarded and I'm getting pretty livid.
The way Sevastian treats his current ruler is because his current ruler is a fool. She threatened his duchy. I was beyond loyal to Malus, gave up my grief against Fulco, and am still loyal to Ingi. Don't talk about how Sevastian treats a ruler, when you are the only ruler to ever come at direct odds with him in such a manner.
I still highly doubt you understand what the Ducal title means, especially on SMA.
The only point as to which Abbigail has thretened Sevastian's Duchy and his ducal seat is after Sevastian was exiled. Perhaps Abbigal is the first ruler that does not care for your version of ducal sovereignty and does not care for being forced to agree to it. You have stated before that every action has a reaction. Abbigal is reacting as any any Ruler would with a Duke who tries to pretend they are the ruler.
The rest I think is a matter of your opinion.
Let me ask you what would happen to a duke who constantly insulted their ruler and plotted to overthrow them? Even if they where granted royal status I am sure they would be kicked out of the realm before to long. The problem is it can not be done by military in the game right now so options are fairly limited.
I will also apologize for the comment about you never swore. I misread on of your posts before where you said you limit it to real life and OOC. I read it as that you did not do it then either.
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Uh, exiling him was an act against his duchy. Your logic is flawed Pike.
Sevastian doesn't try to pretend he's a ruler. He leaves the majority of decisions to other people. Within his domain? That's a whole different story. A Duke's word is law. As long as that Duke remains within realm laws, he is able to do as he wishes. Look at history.
As for Sevastian's Ducal Sovereignty, I hate to tell you, but you are being forced to accept it. I maneuvered very carefully to get my character his royal status, and to maintain his ducal seat. Exiling him and treating him poorly won't make him leave. I figured that was clear to you by now. No matter how it ends, BR remains with House Guile, and that is a win in my book.
Options arent limited, you just aren't looking for the right ones. I'm not stupid enough to tell you how to go about it either.
No worries about the swearing thing. I just want to be clear, that I as a human being swear worse than any sailor that has ever lived. I refrain from doing so on the forums to the best of my ability, and completely abstain from vulgarity in game. Insulting things? Sure. Vulgar? Nope.
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Honestly the only issue I have with any of the way things have turned out is yours and devastions warped views of the facts the rest I just roll with.
Ladies and Gentlemen, this is why Bowie enjoys ridiculing Sevastian and why I make light of this situation. That's the answer right there. He's warped! If the guy's wearing a cinder block for a helmet then I am going to make fun of him. No questions. No hesitation. No sympathy.
Woelfy you contradict yourself a few times in these posts. I can quote them for you if you'd like :)
So we're clearly in a situation of polarized opinions. Poor Abbigal is in the hot seat and the exile didn't do what we thought it would. Sevastian's running all kinds of mental gymnastics to hold his pacifier.
I'm leaning toward nuke.
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Lulz. Worst puppet master ever.
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My favorite part about all of this is how Woelfy/Sevastin ALWAYS gets screwed over and it is NEVER his fault...
Somehow Sevastin losing the Solaria rulership is Allisons fault and that has never really been explained to me...
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My favorite part about all of this is how Woelfy/Sevastin ALWAYS gets screwed over and it is NEVER his fault...
Somehow Sevastin losing the Solaria rulership is Allisons fault and that has never really been explained to me...
Your back from the dead. I have heard nothing from you or about your recent actions IC or OOC since you left and formed OA.
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My favorite part about all of this is how Woelfy/Sevastin ALWAYS gets screwed over and it is NEVER his fault...
Somehow Sevastin losing the Solaria rulership is Allisons fault and that has never really been explained to me...
In two instances has Sevastian gotten screwed over, blindly.
The Solaria thing has still never been fully explained to me IC or OOC. Multiple parties mentioned Allison working against Jonsu/Sevastian in game, and that's all I've got to go off of. I still don't know wtf happened there. As far as I know, Solari is the only one who actually knows what happened.
Sevastian overstepped his bounds by declaring himself Promachos, that I don't deny at all. But my character wouldn't have snapped had the oaths that were given to him upheld.
I don't deny my actions making the situation worse, but I sure as hell didn't start it.
If I had an explanation for you beyond the conjecture that I've gathered since the Solaria fiasco, I'd give it to ya Dustole.
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As far as I know, Solari is the only one who actually knows what happened.
lol
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In two instances has Sevastian gotten screwed over, blindly.
The Solaria thing has still never been fully explained to me IC or OOC. Multiple parties mentioned Allison working against Jonsu/Sevastian in game, and that's all I've got to go off of. I still don't know wtf happened there. As far as I know, Solari is the only one who actually knows what happened.
Sevastian overstepped his bounds by declaring himself Promachos, that I don't deny at all. But my character wouldn't have snapped had the oaths that were given to him upheld.
I don't deny my actions making the situation worse, but I sure as hell didn't start it.
If I had an explanation for you beyond the conjecture that I've gathered since the Solaria fiasco, I'd give it to ya Dustole.
The Solaria thing, if related to Allison is because Jonsu had a magistratum against Allison called so Allison hated Jonsu and thus her husband too.
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The Solaria thing, if related to Allison is because Jonsu had a magistratum against Allison called so Allison hated Jonsu and thus her husband too.
Which is precisely what I've heard. But it doesn't explain the situation any better to me. How Allison could've turned Malus so quickly is beyond me.
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Which is precisely what I've heard. But it doesn't explain the situation any better to me. How Allison could've turned Malus so quickly is beyond me.
Allison had a lot of power, and still does though less. I don't see it being difficult for Allison in the least.
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My favorite part about all of this is how Woelfy/Sevastin ALWAYS gets screwed over and it is NEVER his fault...
Indeed, that's the mark of a madman :-X
I got the worste end of that guys hammer drop. Me and my poor demon character.......
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The Solaria thing, if related to Allison is because Jonsu had a magistratum against Allison called so Allison hated Jonsu and thus her husband too.
Jonsu is the one laughing now though, having taken Allison's coveted seat. :p
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He never has to leave while she already has lower h/p and elections. She loses by default.
She could remove elections, or be replaced by someone she trusts next elections.
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She could remove elections, or be replaced by someone she trusts next elections.
That first option would likely go over about as well as Rynn declaring himself the Dragon King.
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That first option would likely go over about as well as Rynn declaring himself the Dragon King.
Hey, some dude wanted to declare Rynn Dragon King just a day or so ago.
You never know what the future holds. :P
If she's about to be ineligible for rulership elections, why not just cancel them? What'd she have to lose? She can try to tough it up just as much as Sevastian can.
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Hey, some dude wanted to declare Rynn Dragon King just a day or so ago.
You never know what the future holds. :P
If she's about to be ineligible for rulership elections, why not just cancel them? What'd she have to lose? She can try to tough it up just as much as Sevastian can.
Except the ruler spot is a lot harder to hold against a tidal wave of negative public opinion. Ask Sevastian.
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So is Sevastian working on overthrowing Abbigial(which he been working on for a while) be cause he is lurian and an ass or because Abbigal thretend his ducal seat(only recenlty with the exile and sence then).
Is Sevastians ducal sovernty his by oath or because he has the duchy? Abbigal has never agreed to Sevastians version of ducal authority and that was made clear before election so there is no oath there. Also as you have said befored Bowie broke his oath(if there was one) when he ordered Sevastian to step down. So once again as far as swordfell is concerned there is no oath. Which is something you have claimed for some time.
As far as elections go Abbigal would rather lose a fair election then take the option away. She has enough Honor and prestiege that she will be able to run at election time. Also there is plenty of time to do batttles before elections.
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So is Sevastian working on overthrowing Abbigial(which he been working on for a while) be cause he is lurian and an ass or because Abbigal thretend his ducal seat(only recenlty with the exile and sence then).
Is Sevastians ducal sovernty his by oath or because he has the duchy? Abbigal has never agreed to Sevastians version of ducal authority and that was made clear before election so there is no oath there. Also as you have said befored Bowie broke his oath(if there was one) when he ordered Sevastian to step down. So once again as far as swordfell is concerned there is no oath. Which is something you have claimed for some time.
As far as elections go Abbigal would rather lose a fair election then take the option away. She has enough Honor and prestiege that she will be able to run at election time. Also there is plenty of time to do batttles before elections.
Sevastian has only been working on destroying Abbigal since she turned against him. The exile was a blatant move against him, and Abbigal deserves whatever Sevastian throws at him. Spin it how you want in your head, you started this fight. Sevastian is just going to be the one to finish it.
Sevastian's Ducal Sovereignty comes with his title, one you cannot remove from him. He has held his Ducal Seat longer than the duchy of Swordfell even existed. The Oaths made by Ingi and Bowie may have been broken by Bowie, but that doesn't mean that the Oaths have been made invalid. Bowie's oath was broken, so Sevastian made sure Bowie didn't get the crown. Abbigal doesn't have to agree, as she was made ruler after th fact.
Sevastian is a Duke and Councillor of the Realm no matter what.
It's called mechanics.
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Sevastian is a Duke and Councillor of the Realm no matter what.
I don't know if I'd go that far. You and Abbigal will probably break even on the exile (meaning a 'win' for you), but imagine if Abbigal talked Deorwulf into becoming ruler and exiling you. He's got double your h/p. Or if several rulers take turns exiling you, your h/p would shrink while their loss would be spread evenly so as not to cause harm. Eventually, you'd lose your dukedom and possibly pushed all the way to outlaw. He's done good to protect himself and his interests...but hes not invincible.
As far as Shiarxon, there were some laws he broke if you read between the lines. Dueling law (since infiltrator attacks are like a 'surprise duel') and Respect law (since it is disrespectful to intentionally walk up on people in their underwear sleeping). The real kicker was him admitting to it. I thought the first rule of infiltrator actions was plausible deniability?
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I don't know if I'd go that far. You and Abbigal will probably break even on the exile (meaning a 'win' for you), but imagine if Abbigal talked Deorwulf into becoming ruler and exiling you. He's got double your h/p. Or if several rulers take turns exiling you, your h/p would shrink while their loss would be spread evenly so as not to cause harm. Eventually, you'd lose your dukedom and possibly pushed all the way to outlaw. He's done good to protect himself and his interests...but hes not invincible.
As far as Shiarxon, there were some laws he broke if you read between the lines. Dueling law (since infiltrator attacks are like a 'surprise duel') and Respect law (since it is disrespectful to intentionally walk up on people in their underwear sleeping). The real kicker was him admitting to it. I thought the first rule of infiltrator actions was plausible deniability?
If it comes down to multiple rulers exiling Sevastian, he will simply change allegiance. The Courts of Stone belong to him.
Reading between the lines shouldn't be necessary, particularly when a well known infil is operating within kingdom borders.
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If reading between the lines is unesaceary then why are you playing. Just about every thing you do and the way you work out of things is reaeding betwwn the lines.
Once again I call bull!@#$. Sevastian has ben working to destroy Abbigial since a bit after she was elected and would not bow down to sevastian.
I will admit the exile was a blatent move against sevastian and his ducal seat. Yet as you have argued before it was caused by Sevastians actions. A ruler can only take so much ploting against before they have hd enough and act against the person. For someone who keeps on quoting SMA I would hope you would understand that.
Also why don't you stop saying Sevastian can just switc aliainces when you have no attenton of doing so. It is foolish to make such an empty threat.
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I don't know if I'd go that far. You and Abbigal will probably break even on the exile (meaning a 'win' for you), but imagine if Abbigal talked Deorwulf into becoming ruler and exiling you. He's got double your h/p. Or if several rulers take turns exiling you, your h/p would shrink while their loss would be spread evenly so as not to cause harm. Eventually, you'd lose your dukedom and possibly pushed all the way to outlaw. He's done good to protect himself and his interests...but hes not invincible.
As far as Shiarxon, there were some laws he broke if you read between the lines. Dueling law (since infiltrator attacks are like a 'surprise duel') and Respect law (since it is disrespectful to intentionally walk up on people in their underwear sleeping). The real kicker was him admitting to it. I thought the first rule of infiltrator actions was plausible deniability?
I promise I will stab you next time I come to Dwilight only for failing to spell my name right all the time.
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If reading between the lines is unesaceary then why are you playing. Just about every thing you do and the way you work out of things is reaeding betwwn the lines.
Once again I call bull!@#$. Sevastian has ben working to destroy Abbigial since a bit after she was elected and would not bow down to sevastian.
I will admit the exile was a blatent move against sevastian and his ducal seat. Yet as you have argued before it was caused by Sevastians actions. A ruler can only take so much ploting against before they have hd enough and act against the person. For someone who keeps on quoting SMA I would hope you would understand that.
Also why don't you stop saying Sevastian can just switc aliainces when you have no attenton of doing so. It is foolish to make such an empty threat.
Sevastian doesn't read between the lines. Quite the opposite. He's been direct and to the point about everything, and had used better wording to explain his side. That doesn't mean he's reading between the lines.
Abbigal did nothing but confront Sevastian and then started moving against him by offering infils a bounty on him. Don't try to bull!@#$ me Pike.
I understand the exile, it was a rash and selfish move made out of fear. I might've done the same thing had I been in your shoes, but most likely not.
There are a ton of ways to effectively get Sevastian, I don't know why you felt to put your character in a lose-lose listustion. Exile should have been an absolute last ditch effort.
What do you mean no intention of doing so? If it gets bad enough? You are damn right I will leave Swordfell. Some of the !@#$ going on is retarded, pardon the terminology. BR belongs to House Guile, and Sevastian will keep it safely so for as long as possible. It's part of his rp life.
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I promise I will stab you next time I come to Dwilight only for failing to spell my name right all the time.
Give me time and maybe I'll accumulate a nice bounty for you. I am sorry, though. I should read more carefully.
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Sevastian doesn't read between the lines. Quite the opposite. He's been direct and to the point about everything, and had used better wording to explain his side. That doesn't mean he's reading between the lines.
Abbigal did nothing but confront Sevastian and then started moving against him by offering infils a bounty on him. Don't try to bull!@#$ me Pike.
I understand the exile, it was a rash and selfish move made out of fear. I might've done the same thing had I been in your shoes, but most likely not.
There are a ton of ways to effectively get Sevastian, I don't know why you felt to put your character in a lose-lose listustion. Exile should have been an absolute last ditch effort.
What do you mean no intention of doing so? If it gets bad enough? You are damn right I will leave Swordfell. Some of the !@#$ going on is retarded, pardon the terminology. BR belongs to House Guile, and Sevastian will keep it safely so for as long as possible. It's part of his rp life.
Sevastian does to read between the lines as that is where he finds the loop holes. For example the only reason he did not break a law with founding of the military is because while the group had agreed to it there was no law and it was not specifically written down.
Also he has sever times broken the laws of respect by the way he treats others yet has managed to find some loophole so nothing is being done.
The offer of placing the bounties was done I believe about at or the same time as the exile. Also Sevastian has been confrontational the whole time since Swordfell was founded. So how can it be faulted when the ruler finally gets fed up.
How is Abbigal losing on the exile. She has just as much honor and prestige as when the exile started. The only way she might have lost is with people that do not agree with her exiling Sevastian. So where is the Loss?
I thought it would be obvious what I mean by you have no intention to make Sevastian leave. Sevastian has more then once claimed he is not doing so and would rather stick around just to be a pain to Abbigal. Abbigal would be happy if you took BR away. Also Sevastian is the only one who claims BR is his and that it will remain that way which he does by ownership. Realms and treaties say other wise.
So lets sit back and enjoy the show. From the look of things no body is going anywhere and things will only heat up.
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On a separate note, Bowie Ironsides is being considered to be made Regent of D'hara until his daughter can take the throne.
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On a separate note, Bowie Ironsides is being considered to be made Regent of D'hara until his daughter can take the throne.
Now that would be nice to see.
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Now that would be nice to see.
I will wait to give any real details until more people respond.
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On a separate note, Bowie Ironsides is being considered to be made Regent of D'hara until his daughter can take the throne.
* Spews juice from mouth
That's awesome!
On an even more separate note, in a strange way - deep down - I am enjoying the worst of this whole crisis. Now I have a pile of material to write satirical plays about. I've already written a trilogy (new one released today, buy it before it's sold out!). What will Sevastian do and say next that I can ridicule through art? I'm hanging on the edge of my seat!
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Pike, Ironsides, you two should seek mental help. For real. Schizophrenia is a disease.
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Pike, Ironsides, you two should seek mental help. For real. Schizophrenia is a disease.
So is loser denial :-*
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* Spews juice from mouth
That's awesome!
On an even more separate note, in a strange way - deep down - I am enjoying the worst of this whole crisis. Now I have a pile of material to write satirical plays about. I've already written a trilogy (new one released today, buy it before it's sold out!). What will Sevastian do and say next that I can ridicule through art? I'm hanging on the edge of my seat!
And I had nothing to do with it!
These random RP discussions are really great. Lots of fuss over things that have absolutely no game mechanics effects going on in D'Hara these days. I love the rich history we have.
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Pike, Ironsides, you two should seek mental help. For real. Schizophrenia is a disease.
Why must you insist we have mental issue because we disagree with you?
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So is loser denial :-*
Rofl, so far Bowie is the only one who's lost anything. Ruler much? Oh right.....
Pike, I think you have mental issues because your twists of logic are either signs of delusion or serious dementia. Just sayin'.
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If someone moves their family home to BR, they can also fund rebels there to help stir up a riot.
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Woefly, your twisted logic is just as bad. I will admit my thinking may be off at times can you?
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Crush all Lurians! Crush them all!
I never understood why Morek always insisted on having friendly relations with the Lurias who can obviously do no more harm to them than a few interesting skirmishes. So much wasted potential...
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Woefly, your twisted logic is just as bad. I will admit my thinking may be off at times can you?
My logic is straightforward. Not twisted.
Of course my thinking can be off at times, I'm human. For the most part, I have no need to use loopholes or twisted logic with Sevastian. The only character he has to use that on is his wife. ::)
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My logic is straightforward. Not twisted.
Of course my thinking can be off at times, I'm human. For the most part, I have no need to use loopholes or twisted logic with Sevastian. The only character he has to use that on is his wife. ::)
Opinions obviously vary on that.
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And I don't really care what outside opinion is of it. So your point is...?
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so its only your opinion that matters? and that is plain logic?
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When it comes to my logic systems? Yeah. My opinion is all I care about. Interpretation will vary from person to person, but intent is key.
Yeah. Plain logic. I don't know why this is all so difficult for you....
/me offers to get his crayons.
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Just makes it easier to get warped and sidetracked if all you care about is your opinion. It is also is one of the ways sevastian is so misguided. Everone but him is at fault. He is allways right about everything.
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Ive never said he is always right about anything, in fact I've been quite accepting of the things I've done wrong.
The difference is I don't dwell on it. It's better to look forward than back.
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... in fact I've been quite accepting of the things I've done wrong.
Have you been reading your own letters? This is an overstatement if I've ever read one.
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My character will of course defend his own actions. He admits a few faults now and then.
I as a player am happy to list them. That's what I'm saying Ironsides, Ffs.
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Crush all Lurians! Crush them all!
I never understood why Morek always insisted on having friendly relations with the Lurias who can obviously do no more harm to them than a few interesting skirmishes. So much wasted potential...
You know, I have to give credit to whoever made you hate Luria so much. I feel like a Canadian who hears mention of his own country. No matter the opinion, it feels great.
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I never understood why Morek always insisted on having friendly relations with the Lurias who can obviously do no more harm to them than a few interesting skirmishes. So much wasted potential...
Of course you didn't. It's not like we lay out our plans for all to see.
Did you not notice that Luria has become a SA province by now?
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Of course you didn't. It's not like we lay out our plans for all to see.
Did you not notice that Luria has become a SA province by now?
Of course I did. But so what? You could have had a secular war, that might even have hasted the conversion.
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Of course I did. But so what? You could have had a secular war, that might even have hasted the conversion.
conversion by the cup and open hand are considered the best options when possible.
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conversion by the cup and open hand are considered the best options when possible.
The Sword is the most fun though!
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The Sword is the most fun though!
I can't argue against that but I am not the one in charge. And scheming/planning can be quite fun too which, if done properly, can affect recruiting or be the recruiting in some way.
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Silly Chénier. While Machiavel's been imagining a world where Morek might attack Luria, cordial relations and multiple treaties have been signed spanning the rule of three different Grandmasters. There's the world as it is, and as one imagines it. Luria is the living in the former.
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Silly Solari. You think so small.
The goal is not to see the world as it is, but to make the world into how one imagines it.
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Silly Solari. You think so small.
The goal is not to see the world as it is, but to make the world into how one imagines it.
DAMNIT. XD
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DAMNIT. XD
He got you on that one.
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It was a purely OOC comment. Yea, all Morekian rulers have been friendly-friendly with the Lurias. I'm not denying this. But why? Why, when you are so strong, and have so many allies, block the possibility of hostile interaction with a foreign block that poses no threat while still being able to put up a fight. I mean, if it had been me, I'd have seen no point in getting any relations with the Lurias whatsoever, it'd have kept doors open for me should I have needed a distraction to keep my nobles busy.
I have a really hard time understanding what Morek has to gain by being friendly to the Lurias. Had they been more aggressive, some Lurians might have been tempted to convert just to avert invasion. Or some of them might have been pissed and taken measures against Morek: an excuse to beat 'em up, support astroist factions, or otherwise impose astromancy.
Or anything, really. The Lurias don't have any friends, it's not like they could have mounted up a coalition against Morek. Not one able to threaten it, at least.
Just seems to me like making more friends than necessary is just as bad as making more foes than necessary. One needs a balance. Sure there must be stuff I'm unaware of, but it seems like a lot of people were boring themselves in the North for quite some time at one point, gotta wonder why this avenue wasn't pursued.
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Or anything, really. The Lurias don't have any friends, it's not like they could have mounted up a coalition against Morek.
What are you blabbing on about? Where do you get this stuff?
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Well, obviously. If there's no overwhelming military reason not to annex a piece of territory, it is naturally imperative to do so.
...At least that's what I think you're saying.
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It was a purely OOC comment. Yea, all Morekian rulers have been friendly-friendly with the Lurias. I'm not denying this. But why? Why, when you are so strong, and have so many allies, block the possibility of hostile interaction with a foreign block that poses no threat while still being able to put up a fight. I mean, if it had been me, I'd have seen no point in getting any relations with the Lurias whatsoever, it'd have kept doors open for me should I have needed a distraction to keep my nobles busy.
I have a really hard time understanding what Morek has to gain by being friendly to the Lurias. Had they been more aggressive, some Lurians might have been tempted to convert just to avert invasion. Or some of them might have been pissed and taken measures against Morek: an excuse to beat 'em up, support astroist factions, or otherwise impose astromancy.
Or anything, really. The Lurias don't have any friends, it's not like they could have mounted up a coalition against Morek. Not one able to threaten it, at least.
Just seems to me like making more friends than necessary is just as bad as making more foes than necessary. One needs a balance. Sure there must be stuff I'm unaware of, but it seems like a lot of people were boring themselves in the North for quite some time at one point, gotta wonder why this avenue wasn't pursued.
Ah, there's your mistake.
Morek's goal is the mere accumulation of vast hegemony. They don't need exciting wars; they need food food supplies, no threats, and the ability to gobble up any small neighbors. Like Libero. Or Swordfell in the future.
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Well, obviously. If there's no overwhelming military reason not to annex a piece of territory, it is naturally imperative to do so.
...At least that's what I think you're saying.
No more like why make everyone your friend since that means no wars, which makes fun hard to generate though not impossible by a long shot.
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I was thinking of writing up a document for the Political Science Department of the University to discuss Just War theory (in a BattleMaster/Dwilight-esque way), but figured nobody would care/practice it.
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I was thinking of writing up a document for the Political Science Department of the University to discuss Just War theory (in a BattleMaster/Dwilight-esque way), but figured nobody would care/practice it.
Does that department actually exist? And I am sure if it was actually done well, people would care. Also, this would likely be something that if you asked for help IG, people would give it.
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...And I am sure if it was actually done well, people would care. Also, this would likely be something that if you asked for help IG, people would give it.
I highly doubt that. I've lost faith in people's level of interest. Majority of nobles are spectators only.
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I highly doubt that. I've lost faith in people's level of interest. Majority of nobles are spectators only.
majority of players don't care to repeat what happened but do care about war theory.
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Does that department actually exist?
Honestly, if you want to found that department, just write something up and ask for it to be created for you.
Just writing something up is the only real requirement to get a Deanship in the DU.
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There is a Political Studies Department already, but nothing's been approved on it and I think the one guy who petitioned for it fell on deaf ears...academics, eh? No vigour to act!
Vote Demon for School President!
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I highly doubt that. I've lost faith in people's level of interest. Majority of nobles are spectators only.
Ismail would totally be down to help.
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There has been a complaint about you, and the Titans have decided that a punishment of Public Reprimand is appropriate. Here is the reason:
There have been complaints over the course of the past few weeks regarding a high level of "Out-of-character" (OOC) messages in the realm of Swordfell. During one three day period nearly 150 OOC messages were sent. That is completely unacceptable. While this complaint was specifically filed against the character Bowie Ironsides, he was not the only, or even the worst, offender.
This warning therefore applies to the entire realm of Swordfell: Out-of-character messaging on Dwilight is to be kept to an absolute minimum. Messages should be limited to notices of planned absences, simple questions about game mechanics, and other simple subjects. Extensive and continued debates should be handled in-character to the maximum extent possible. When not possible, please consider taking the debate to the forums, or handling it by private messaging.
OOC insults against other players will not be tolerated, and should be reported immediately.
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Damn.
150?
Wow.
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And that's only in a three day period. Curious what the entire timeline would be...
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They'll just take it to the IRC. These guys are notorious OOC users and a slap on the wrist won't change that, it's in their blood.
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Excessive OOC discussion is what IRC is all about.
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Excessive OOC discussion is what IRC is all about.
idk, I think there's a difference between discussion of what people should do, planning and strategizing and politiking, and having a detached, objective conversation about the state of politics. I think the latter is interesting and the former community-ruining.
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They'll just take it to the IRC.
Good.
These guys are notorious OOC users and a slap on the wrist won't change that, it's in their blood.
I'm...not sure what this means.
You're an OOC user, too, Norrel. Unless you're telling me that you never do anything that isn't directly related to your BattleMaster characters' thoughts and actions.
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OOC is bad, mkay?
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I'm a notorious schemer, but I always take my plots in game. Ask any of the people I've plotted with. Pages upon pages of IG schemes, that got a catalyst from an IRC convo.
Irc is pretty much how I socialize, and it's also a good part of how I've made friends all over. Ffs, I just moved to Belgium because of BM and IRC combined. It's a good thing to have it around.
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You're an OOC user, too, Norrel. Unless you're telling me that you never do anything that isn't directly related to your BattleMaster characters' thoughts and actions.
That's not what I meant but I can see how I communicated poorly.
All I'm saying is that there's a difference between talking about the game in an OOC discussion and making group decisions through OOC mechanisms. Talking about a rebellion is alright by me, talking things out with the aggrieved parties on the IRC to prevent that rebellion is bad. In my opinion.
I'm jet lagged to hell but I hope this is a more coherent explanation.
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Reason #193 why IRC is the devil's playground.
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Reason #193 why IRC is the devil's playground.
Reason #192 is excessive humping.
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Reason #192 is excessive humping.
Reason #1 is Fleugs' retarded router.
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Reason #1 is Fleugs' retarded router.
Truth, plainly spoken.
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Stupid puase and unpuase buttons on phone... got characters confused and now Abbigal is paused Sigh....
If somone would be so kind as to offer the following explanation in game I would appreciate it.
Lady Imperatice Abbigal Pike was found unresponsive in Balance's Retreat temple of Sanguis Astroism. Healers and priests can not tell if she was poisoned or if she has gone into a meditative state while she worshipers the bloodstars. Or perhaps some evil heathen force has taken root in her soul and battles with her. All that they can tell is that she does not respond to anything around her.
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"Hilarity ensues when..."
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I had wondered what had happened. Figured real life had taken precedence. I posted the RP for you.
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You coming back anytime soon, Joe? The election ends in 3 days and you should be running in it... :o
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You coming back anytime soon, Joe? The election ends in 3 days and you should be running in it... :o
Who else is running?
OOCly, a part of me would be very interested to see what happens if Bowie is elected ruler...
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All hail to the new Lord Imperator, Bowie Ironsides, Lord Imperator of Swordfell, Royal of Swordfell, Baron of Alley of Swords.
Shouldn't be all that different if someone else won. Maybe a lot more fun?
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Shouldn't be all that different if someone else won. Maybe a lot more fun?
Oh, I could see it being a lot different. Imagine Sevastian... ;)
Should prove interesting.
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Sevastian as a ruler of Swordfell? you must be kidding. That kind of jokes makes people sick....
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Sick with glee!
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Farfs messed up our elections (we had none)!
Was this a continent wide glitch or only Swordfell?
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Farfs messed up our elections (we had none)!
Was this a continent wide glitch or only Swordfell?
Its likely the opposite of what you think it is, as I know its that way for D'hara. It's not that we are not having elections we are supposed to, its that we are getting the message we will have elections when we obviously shouldn't. (Quarterly elections with the message for elections less than a month after.
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I thought about that but didn't take to it because I was only in the position midway through Abbigals term. So I just thought elections came fast because I was only in for the last bit....
Makes sense Penchant! So instead of messing with elections the Farfs messed with me!
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What months do quarterly elections take place on? Seemed logical to me to have one start in april, actually... Would have thought it to be january, april, july, and october.
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You are correct.
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You are correct.
In D'Hara, which has quarterly elections, there was an election in march. There was an announcement for election in April, but no actual election took place. Is that a bug?
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Sure sounds buggy, doesn't it?
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Sure sounds buggy, doesn't it?
What is a bug, the election in march, or the announcement in april?
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What is a bug, the election in march, or the announcement in april?
Yes.
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Yes.
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