Because Indirik keeps locking them.
And will continue to do so, as long as you keep engaging in behavior that has been defined as unacceptable for these forums.
Remember: No discussing the single biggest factor involved in this conflict though!
Anyways, this whole thing is a major cluster **** and I have no idea what is going to come of it. I think the destruction of Terran is certainly possible, though.
Quote from: Indirik on May 10, 2012, 11:45:15 PM
And will continue to do so, as long as you keep engaging in behavior that has been defined as unacceptable for these forums.
Dude... chill out. I don't know why you're being so stodgy, people can't complain about stuff all of a sudden? That is almost... un-BM.
If you people don't want to listen to us complain... why do you people read it?
Quote from: Perth on May 10, 2012, 11:45:34 PM
Anyways, this whole thing is a major cluster **** and I have no idea what is going to come of it. I think the destruction of Terran is certainly possible, though.
Abington Dwilight Edition!
The entire west unites against the entire east!!!
Quote from: Dante Silverfire on May 10, 2012, 11:47:00 PM
Abington Dwilight Edition!
The entire west unites against the entire east!!!
Atamara has given me enough continent-wide war for one game of Battlemaster.
You can address all complaints about the Zuma, how boring they are, how they stifle conflict, and about how the ZumaGM is a powergaming cheater to tom@battlemaster.org. if you don't have the balls to do that, then get over it and move on to a different topic.
Quote from: Perth on May 10, 2012, 11:45:34 PM
Remember: No discussing the single biggest factor involved in this conflict though!
You are more than welcome to discuss the involvement of the Zuma in the conflict.
You are
not welcome to continue bashing the Zuma, accusing the Zuma GM of unfairness, and other unsportsmanlike conduct.
Effectively, for the purposes of discussion here,
you are required to give the Zuma GM the benefit of the doubt.
Complain about me more... :'(
Quote from: Glaumring on May 11, 2012, 12:10:36 AM
Complain about me more... :'(
It all works out in the end. I will just return the favor by telling Astrum how you say that Asylon is better and more powerful and that Asylon is the new power in the west. :)
Yeah, but everyone already knows that Asylon is the best anyways... Its not a well kept secret... 8)
Quote from: Perth on May 10, 2012, 11:48:21 PM
Atamara has given me enough continent-wide war for one game of Battlemaster.
Fine, just the founding of the Kingdom of Brom then. I mean we have Kabrinskia. Might as well found a realm for her husband.
The Kingdom of Brom. Capital city: Port Raviel!
Quote from: Anaris on May 10, 2012, 11:59:19 PM
You are more than welcome to discuss the involvement of the Zuma in the conflict.
You are not welcome to continue bashing the Zuma, accusing the Zuma GM of unfairness, and other unsportsmanlike conduct.
Effectively, for the purposes of discussion here, you are required to give the Zuma GM the benefit of the doubt.
That's the problem. I gave him tons of benefit of the doubt.
He wasted it.
BROM?!!!
Instead of 'Crom' I will say 'Brom' as I shake my fists at the heavens.
Quote from: Chénier on May 11, 2012, 03:10:08 AM
Nobody really cares about Brom...
The Zuma do, Allison does, pretty much all of Luria did.
Then take the enemies of those people and you have all of Dwilight. So technically, yes everyone cares about Brom.
So, the next step in the war is for Allison to gift me Terran and I'll found my own realm out of it.
Oh Brom, all the realms you mentioned are tiny and of little importance. If no one knows who you are in Asylon... You are not very important. 8)
Quote from: Glaumring on May 11, 2012, 05:16:17 AM
Oh Brom, all the realms you mentioned are tiny and of little importance. If no one knows who you are in Asylon... You are not very important. 8)
Your character knows who I am, namely the person you asked "who the hell are you?", in the halls of SA, the rulers of all of the Moot know who Brom is, the founder of SA knows who Brom is, and the Zuma know who Brom is, all of Luria knows Brom, so the only ppl left out are Aurvandil.
Quote from: Glaumring on May 11, 2012, 05:16:17 AM
Oh Brom, all the realms you mentioned are tiny and of little importance. If no one knows who you are in Asylon... You are not very important. 8)
I tend to agree. Far-off stagnant and/or unstable insignificant provinces.
And here I was thinking that the next step was for Terran to gift me Golden Farrow so that Machiavel can see where his sister used to live. Oh, and take a souvenir from Katayanna, preferably her head.
Quote from: Dante Silverfire on May 11, 2012, 05:18:35 AM
Your character knows who I am, namely the person you asked "who the hell are you?", in the halls of SA, the rulers of all of the Moot know who Brom is, the founder of SA knows who Brom is, and the Zuma know who Brom is, all of Luria knows Brom, so the only ppl left out are Aurvandil.
Machiavel is ruler of D'Hara, and has no idea who Brom is. Other than "That pompous consort of Allison's who isn't very liked in Luria". Lurias' power struggles really don't interest the 'moot.
Quote from: Dante Silverfire on May 11, 2012, 05:12:21 AM
The Zuma do, Allison does, pretty much all of Luria did.
Then take the enemies of those people and you have all of Dwilight. So technically, yes everyone cares about Brom.
So, the next step in the war is for Allison to gift me Terran and I'll found my own realm out of it.
Nobody in the Moot cares about Brom. You interrupt the Elders in the middle of interesting conversations.
Quote from: Vellos on May 11, 2012, 05:45:48 AM
Nobody in the Moot cares about Brom. You interrupt the Elders in the middle of interesting conversations.
You may not, but you can't so no one. I can name members from the Moot who do care. But, since apparently such a thing is not to be wanted, I won't be doing so for their sake.
What do the Elders of the Moot talk about anyway? How best to provoke the Zuma into attacking you? How to NOT actually fight the wars you're fighting because the odds are no longer in your favor? Which part of Allison you want to chop off first?
Quote from: Dante Silverfire on May 11, 2012, 05:48:26 AM
You may not, but you can't so no one. I can name members from the Moot who do care. But, since apparently such a thing is not to be wanted, I won't be doing so for their sake.
What do the Elders of the Moot talk about anyway? How best to provoke the Zuma into attacking you? How to NOT actually fight the wars you're fighting because the odds are no longer in your favor? Which part of Allison you want to chop off first?
lol, if you want I can try and take a poll of how much people care about Brom. I'm pretty sure it would mostly result in people saying, "Who is Brom?"
Quote from: Indirik on May 11, 2012, 01:53:13 AM
The Kingdom of Brom. Capital city: Port Raviel!
That's why Allison was trying to provoke D'Hara into declaring war on her. It wasn't from an insane bloodlust and thirst for power...it was love! :-* :-*
Quote from: Vellos on May 11, 2012, 05:52:53 AM
lol, if you want I can try and take a poll of how much people care about Brom. I'm pretty sure it would mostly result in people saying, "Who is Brom?"
No thanks. I'd prefer to keep Brom's self-inflated ego.
Quote from: egamma on May 11, 2012, 05:56:59 AM
That's why Allison was trying to provoke D'Hara into declaring war on her. It wasn't from an insane bloodlust and thirst for power...it was love! :-* :-*
NO. D'Hara belongs to me and I will have it again.
Quote from: katayanna on May 11, 2012, 06:02:36 AM
NO. D'Hara belongs to me and I will have it again.
Better marry Brom.
Quote from: katayanna on May 11, 2012, 06:02:36 AM
NO. D'Hara belongs to me and I will have it again.
Didn't you leave of your own accord?
Quote from: Dante Silverfire on May 11, 2012, 06:07:20 AM
Is polygamy supported by SA?
Are the stars married? There are three of them...
Quote from: egamma on May 11, 2012, 06:06:19 AM
Didn't you leave of your own accord?
Katayanna would have but was rebelled on before she could. Katayanna still has a claim for that reason.
Halleria honestly does not know who Brom is.
Quote from: Vellos on May 11, 2012, 05:52:53 AM
lol, if you want I can try and take a poll of how much people care about Brom. I'm pretty sure it would mostly result in people saying, "Who is Brom?"
Sucks to be you guys then. Knowledge is power, and you'd think people would do some background checks on new arrivals, especially high profile ones like Brom. But by all means, keep thinking Brom is a nobody. More fun for the rest of us...
Katayanna is the most important noble in Kabrinskia...
The true power behind the throne...
Quote from: Sacha on May 11, 2012, 01:02:34 PM
Sucks to be you guys then. Knowledge is power, and you'd think people would do some background checks on new arrivals, especially high profile ones like Brom. But by all means, keep thinking Brom is a nobody. More fun for the rest of us...
He's only as powerful as you choose to make him. If we all ignore him, he's weak. If we all pay attention, he's strong. It's that simple. Sure, Kabrinskia pays attention to him, maybe: because, for now, he has the Aegis. Maybe they'll continue to pay attention in the future. Doesn't matter much. He has no special superpowers.
Quote from: Vellos on May 11, 2012, 04:51:08 PM
He's only as powerful as you choose to make him. If we all ignore him, he's weak. If we all pay attention, he's strong. It's that simple. Sure, Kabrinskia pays attention to him, maybe: because, for now, he has the Aegis. Maybe they'll continue to pay attention in the future. Doesn't matter much. He has no special superpowers.
Luckily everyone pays attention to him. making him powerful
Quote from: Vellos on May 11, 2012, 04:51:08 PM
He's only as powerful as you choose to make him. If we all ignore him, he's weak. If we all pay attention, he's strong. It's that simple. Sure, Kabrinskia pays attention to him, maybe: because, for now, he has the Aegis. Maybe they'll continue to pay attention in the future. Doesn't matter much. He has no special superpowers.
https://twitter.com/#!/TheRealZumaGM/status/200962115010428929
Quote from: Vellos on May 11, 2012, 04:51:08 PM
He's only as powerful as you choose to make him. If we all ignore him, he's weak. If we all pay attention, he's strong. It's that simple. Sure, Kabrinskia pays attention to him, maybe: because, for now, he has the Aegis. Maybe they'll continue to pay attention in the future. Doesn't matter much. He has no special superpowers.
No, he certainly has no special superpowers.
But you have to be careful with this part:
QuoteIf we all ignore him, he's weak.
Strictly speaking, it's true. However, you have to watch out for who the "we" is.
Yes, you can ignore him, and Sacha can ignore him, and Dustole can ignore him, and all the people you tell about him can ignore him.
But that's still not everyone in the game, or even everyone in the 'moot.
And just because certain people tell you they're ignoring him doesn't mean it's true.
This is exactly the kind of mistake I made with Alanna one too many times.
Quote from: Vellos on May 11, 2012, 04:51:08 PM
He's only as powerful as you choose to make him. If we all ignore him, he's weak. If we all pay attention, he's strong. It's that simple. Sure, Kabrinskia pays attention to him, maybe: because, for now, he has the Aegis. Maybe they'll continue to pay attention in the future. Doesn't matter much. He has no special superpowers.
Shhh....
How am I supposed to manipulate the Kabrinskia vs. Terran war if you keep telling people to ignore me.
Quote from: Sacha on May 11, 2012, 01:02:34 PM
Sucks to be you guys then. Knowledge is power, and you'd think people would do some background checks on new arrivals, especially high profile ones like Brom. But by all means, keep thinking Brom is a nobody. More fun for the rest of us...
Although, regardless of what people want to say about it. Even if it is attempted to ignore my character, you don't suddenly eliminate all of his friendly contacts that he already has in your realm. He's a member of many guilds and a few secret societies and now the biggest religion.
Quote from: katayanna on May 11, 2012, 04:47:06 PM
Kayayanna is the most important noble in Kabrinskia...
The true power behind the throne...
Alas, I can't compete with Katayanna though, who misspells her own character's name.
Quote from: Dante Silverfire on May 11, 2012, 04:55:11 PM
Alas, I can't compete with Katayanna though, who misspells her own character's name.
lol, thanks for pointing that out.... that is what I get for typing so fast.... lol
Quote from: Vellos on May 11, 2012, 04:51:08 PM
He has no special superpowers.
That's what he wants you to think!
Perhaps I will regret asking this question, but it seems like without the answer I am a bit lost on this thread.
Who the $%#& is Brom, and why is there even a debate as to why we should care who he is?
Quote from: Charles on May 11, 2012, 05:33:42 PM
Perhaps I will regret asking this question, but it seems like without the answer I am a bit lost on this thread.
Who the $%#& is Brom, and why is there even a debate as to why we should care who he is?
Apparently he's the most important thing to talk about in this war. Don't happen to agree that much myself, as I think the terrible military tactics by each side is more interesting, but Brom was the one who brought the Aegis of the Zuma to Kabrinskia and thus gave Kabrinskia their choice in favors...which could theoretically affect the war effort.
Some random guy who's biggest claim to fame is, believe it or not, serial failure.
Oh, and possessing a Zuma artifact.
Quote from: Charles on May 11, 2012, 05:33:42 PM
Perhaps I will regret asking this question, but it seems like without the answer I am a bit lost on this thread.
Who the $%#& is Brom, and why is there even a debate as to why we should care who he is?
He's the guy who controls your life and death. It is by his choice that you will breath or not in the next second. Worship him as a god and you shall be saved. Defy him and be forever squashed under his might.
Quote from: JPierreD on May 11, 2012, 06:41:50 PM
He's the guy who controls your life and death. It is by his choice that you will breath or not in the next second. Worship him as a god and you shall be saved. Defy him and be forever squashed under his might.
"This is my delusion. There are many like it, but this one is mine. My delusion is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.
My delusion, without me, is useless. Without my delusion, I am useless.
My delusion is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its sights and its barrel. I will keep my delusion clean and ready, even as I am clean and ready. We will become part of each other. We are the masters of our enemy. We are the saviors of my life.
I wonder where the Terran Army is...... they have simply disappeared from our scouting reports and we are looting Faithill now and have encountered no resistance.
With a little luck we will be able to drive it rogue before the Terran forces return.
Quote from: katayanna on May 12, 2012, 03:09:58 PM
I wonder where the Terran Army is......
We're one turn away from arriving in Volcano Nightscree... 8)
Quote from: Perth on May 12, 2012, 04:51:26 PM
We're one turn away from arriving in Volcano Nightscree... 8)
Why
It's a joke...
Quote from: Perth on May 12, 2012, 04:51:26 PM
We're one turn away from arriving in Volcano Nightscree... 8)
Inklen is a long way from there..... lol
We got so bored of staring across the border at the Zuma and you Kabrinskians touching each other in a lewd fashion that we went home to our civilized towns and decided we'd had enough.
But now we're back.
Quote from: Vellos on May 13, 2012, 12:38:42 AM
We got so bored of staring across the border at the Zuma and you Kabrinskians touching each other in a lewd fashion that we went home to our civilized towns and decided we'd had enough.
But now we're back.
Welcome back to the fun...... lets hope it does not get boring again.
Quote from: katayanna on May 13, 2012, 12:39:48 AM
Welcome back to the fun...... lets hope it does not get boring again.
Is FangFang still in Demyansk?
If so, it will get boring again.
Quote from: Vellos on May 13, 2012, 12:45:40 AM
Is FangFang still in Demyansk?
If so, it will get boring again.
Sorry that is affirmative. but we are ready to go on the attack soon so you will be defending. looks like we are gonna have roughly the same CS so it should be fun.
Oh BTW Haktoo is on her way to Kabrinskia so watch your backs she is supposed to come this direction.
I wish they'd ally together and attack Aurvandil. It's boring without a war.
Quote from: Foundation on May 13, 2012, 12:57:47 AM
I wish they'd ally together and attack Aurvandil. It's boring without a war.
If you are bored ..... pick a fight with the Zuma
Quote from: katayanna on May 13, 2012, 01:26:31 AM
If you are bored ..... pick a fight with the Zuma
They are....that's why they are fighting Kabrinskia...
Mrh? Foundation is in Aurvandil. They're not fighting Kabrinskia. Hence the "we're bored without a war" bit...
Why not just have Aurvandil attack the Moot? That'll make things nice and even.
Kabrinskia + Aurvandil + the Zuma vs the world.
Quote from: Dante Silverfire on May 13, 2012, 02:41:48 AM
Why not just have Aurvandil attack the Moot? That'll make things nice and even.
Kabrinskia + Aurvandil + the Zuma vs the world.
Now that is a great Idea....
What? SA would support Kabrinskia, so it's going to be SA + Kabrinskia + Auravandil + Zuma vs the world. Luria might stay out of it, so basically, it's just going to be SA (Libero/Summerdale, Morek, Corsanctum, Astrum, Iashalur) + Kabrinskia + Auravandil + Zuma vs Moot (Barca, Terran, D'Hara) + Asylon.
Quote from: Feylonis on May 13, 2012, 04:24:58 AM
Luria might stay out of it...
Not bloody likely. And I'm not as confident that the fault lines would be so clear in a continental war, depending upon the cause. There are a lot of motives and relationships that would come into play.
Quote from: Solari on May 13, 2012, 04:41:08 AM
Not bloody likely.
Obviously they'd be fighting the Moot as well since they are part of SA now. Or at least the parts that matter...(i.e. Those parts without lost legs)
Quote from: Dante Silverfire on May 13, 2012, 04:43:12 AM
Obviously they'd be fighting the Moot as well since they are part of SA now. Or at least the parts that matter...(i.e. Those parts without lost legs)
No Astrocracies in Luria that I'm aware of. Mathurin can wave his hands about and make all the prophecies he wants. Lurians don't sail across the seas to almost certain death on foreign shores.
We have plenty of local lakes and seashore.
Quote from: Solari on May 13, 2012, 04:50:14 AM
No Astrocracies in Luria that I'm aware of. Mathurin can wave his hands about and make all the prophecies he wants. Lurians don't sail across the seas to almost certain death on foreign shores.
We have plenty of local lakes and seashore.
But you're SA now. Ergo, you would win and not die. Don't you know we're unbeatable?
Haktoo in levendrow heading towards Kabrinskia for the SA/Kabrinskia/Astrum/Zuma vs. Terran/barca Summit.
The War is about to heat up again.
Katayanna is in SA, right? Of course she is, she's a Consul. Odds of a broad SA alliance that includes the Zuma are approximately zero right now; there's little use pretending otherwise since Vellos already knows that, in character.
Quote from: OFaolain on May 13, 2012, 09:43:57 PM
Katayanna is in SA, right? Of course she is, she's a Consul. Odds of a broad SA alliance that includes the Zuma are approximately zero right now; there's little use pretending otherwise since Vellos already knows that, in character.
Shhhhh this is OOC and I am playing with him.....
Your are probably right about there not being a an alliance. but the summit will discuss things like putting temples in Zuma lands and the destruction of Terran, as well as a few other things......
Either way it will get interesting.
Quote from: katayanna on May 13, 2012, 10:06:14 PM
Your are probably right about there not being a an alliance. but the summit will discuss things like putting temples in Zuma lands and the destruction of Terran, as well as a few other things......
Either way it will get interesting.
How much of these do you even know for sure? It sounds like you know a lot more than I would think you know IC wise. At least from the positions that you hold.
Since when did one's position in a realm determine exactly how much they knew?
Quote from: Indirik on May 14, 2012, 12:18:35 AM
Since when did one's position in a realm determine exactly how much they knew?
Determine exactly? Never.
Give a decent estimate "most" of the time? Pretty much always.
There are of course notable exceptions, Brom is one of them.
Quote from: Dante Silverfire on May 13, 2012, 11:51:00 PM
How much of these do you even know for sure? It sounds like you know a lot more than I would think you know IC wise. At least from the positions that you hold.
Let me be clear so everyone knows..... What I say here is pure speculation.... I should have been more clear in my statement.
Some of it is wishful thinking too.
And what I do know is not known by Katayanna IC......
Call it pseudo prophecies.... lol
Quote from: Dante Silverfire on May 14, 2012, 12:22:34 AM
Determine exactly? Never.
Give a decent estimate "most" of the time? Pretty much always.
There are of course notable exceptions, Brom is one of them.
Katayanna does have the ear of Allison as well
Quote from: katayanna on May 14, 2012, 12:42:28 AM
Katayanna does have the ear of Allison as well
I understand that, but sometimes some of the things you've been saying which come off as fact, lack a lot of in game basis based upon my sources, was only the reason I said anything.
Its just usually good to be clear when you're stating something explicitly and making guesses as people will base opinions off of what we say.
Quote from: Dante Silverfire on May 14, 2012, 12:44:41 AM
I understand that, but sometimes some of the things you've been saying which come off as fact, lack a lot of in game basis based upon my sources, was only the reason I said anything.
Its just usually good to be clear when you're stating something explicitly and making guesses as people will base opinions off of what we say.
True enough. My apologies.
It is time that I make some things clear.....
What I Katayanna knows:
1. haktoo is headed to GF
2. The Regent is in GF
3. Astrum is heading to GF
4. Haktoo has promised a wish to Allison (ooc only)
What I have stated reflects speculation on these facts.
Calling it a Summit is just a meeting of the minds so to speak.
I can only guess at what their topics will be.
Speculation:
1. destruction of Terran..... based on the fact that the Zuma do not like Terran.... and that we are at war with Terran.
2. Temples in Zuma lands.... based on the fact that the Regent will be there... I would be surprised and disappointed if the Regent did not take this opportunity to increase the scope and influence of the church.
So my speculation has a basis in actual events or situations.
I stopped reading Katayanna's comments a while ago.
I return to what I said about Brom: if we all just ignore them....
So... you don't believe in keeping secrets, do you?
Srsly, you've just pulled the lid off the box and spilled out *everything* for the entire game to see. How about some discretion next time?
Quote from: Indirik on May 14, 2012, 04:27:43 AM
So... you don't believe in keeping secrets, do you?
Srsly, you've just pulled the lid off the box and spilled out *everything* for the entire game to see. How about some discretion next time?
My thoughts as well.
(though, fair disclosure, many people in other realms knew/suspected enough to act on it everything Katayanna is saying anyways through IC means)
Forum commentary on events should be
after the fact.
Quote from: Indirik on May 14, 2012, 04:27:43 AM
Srsly, you've just pulled the lid off the box and spilled out *everything* for the entire game to see. How about some discretion next time?
Well not the entire game, as its been established only a minority actually use the forums. (Albeit, most of that minority consist of the entire rulers channel for most islands)
Agree in general though. But, it was already public knowledge that Haktoo was coming to Kabrinskia.
Quote from: Vellos on May 14, 2012, 04:27:08 AM
I return to what I said about Brom: if we all just ignore them....
Obviously that works. Which is why that is kind of bad press for those that need attention to have power.
Yes, people may know that certain things are happening, but the "why" behind these events that are being described here is greatly misrepresented. And we all know that some people can't separate, and will bring this back IG. So their half-suspected knowledge will now be confirmed, and reinforced with inaccuracies.
And Asylon sneak attacks Kabrinskia starting their own war with Kabrinskia.
How did they sneak attack you?
About time
YEAH! MORE WAR!
Quote from: Velax on May 21, 2012, 08:44:09 AM
How did they sneak attack you?
lets see, they pull out of the war and then declare war just as they entered Kabrinskia lands.
So, like virtually every other declaration of war in the history of BM? Of course you're only going to declare war with your troops assembled and in position. What sort of idiot declares war when his troops are scattered all over the realm?
Quote from: Velax on May 21, 2012, 03:28:11 PM
So, like virtually every other declaration of war in the history of BM? Of course you're only going to declare war with your troops assembled and in position. What sort of idiot declares war when his troops are scattered all over the realm?
Yeah, but they just made peace with Kabrinskia not that long ago, clearly disingenuously.
Quote. What sort of idiot declares war when his troops are scattered all over the realm?
Actually, Claude declared war on Ohnar West when the army was scattered and mostly in Colasan. :)
Glaumring has been wanting to go,after Kabrinskia for quite some time. He just had to find a way that wasn't so twistedly justified that it made no sense. A straightforward "you pissed us off" should have been enough. Asylon's back and forth waffling is really making people question their reliability.
Quote from: Velax on May 21, 2012, 03:28:11 PM
So, like virtually every other declaration of war in the history of BM? Of course you're only going to declare war with your troops assembled and in position. What sort of idiot declares war when his troops are scattered all over the realm?
Terran.
Quote from: Indirik on May 21, 2012, 04:09:26 PM
Asylon's back and forth waffling is really making people question their reliability.
Yup.
But I guess now they're pretty well committed. Which means it's a waiting game to see how Astrum responds.
Meanwhile, the Zuma still sit on Kabrinskia's border, keeping Terran out.
Just reclaiming our own lands. Nothing to see here
We wanted out of a war with tangled rules. Now we are back playing by our own rules. One cannot win wars bound by all sorts of contrived rules. Say what you wish, once Terran was knocked out of the war Asylon would have been next anyways, except alone and isolated. Better to go down fighting with friends. Kabrinskia had been trying way before the war on Terran to find a reason for war with Asylon.
1st reason we had like 3 or 4 nobles from Caerwyn.
2nd we took some lands,
3rd we used to be small and poor
4th VE still operates in Asylon
Anyone who says Kabrinskia is the victim here is delusional. They came here for a fight. They just going to have to fight on our terms from now on.
Quote from: Glaumring on May 21, 2012, 05:46:58 PM
Anyone who says Kabrinskia is the victim here is delusional.
So far as I can tell, the only one who's been saying that at all, throughout the series of recent events, has been Katayanna.
As a player, Kabrinskia isn't the victim indeed. My character disagrees with me though :P
Quote from: Anaris on May 21, 2012, 05:50:57 PM
So far as I can tell, the only one who's been saying that at all, throughout the series of recent events, has been Katayanna.
I know that Kabrinskia is not the victim but Katayanna does not.
And I try to only post the facts here as I know them since this is OOC.
So, Astrum and Kabrinskia vs. Asylon and Terran? Looks like the northern alliance has better chances. If D'Hara joined they would tip the scale in the 'moot's favor.
Quote from: JPierreD on May 23, 2012, 03:44:31 PM
So, Astrum and Kabrinskia vs. Asylon and Terran? Looks like the northern alliance has better chances. If D'Hara joined they would tip the scale in the 'moot's favor.
So far Astrum and Terran haven't had any conflict.
Quote from: Vellos on May 23, 2012, 04:15:06 PM
So far Astrum and Terran haven't had any conflict.
Would Terran let Asylon be crushed?
Of course not. Terran and Asylon are allies. The fact that Asylon is lead by an SA monarch is very politically important for Terran. Also, Asylon is seemingly on the rise. A growing power owing you a favor is quite nice. Not to mention that Asylon stepped in to help Terran. There's no way Terran would let Asylon get clobbered too badly.
Quote from: Indirik on May 23, 2012, 04:50:57 PM
Of course not. Terran and Asylon are allies. The fact that Asylon is lead by an SA monarch is very politically important for Terran. Also, Asylon is seemingly on the rise. A growing power owing you a favor is quite nice. Not to mention that Asylon stepped in to help Terran. There's no way Terran would let Asylon get clobbered too badly.
So Astrum is entering the war with Asylon? That would be excellent news indeed.
Quote from: katayanna on May 23, 2012, 06:11:30 PM
So Astrum is entering the war with Asylon? That would be excellent news indeed.
I don't know how much Sergio has chosen to say on the subject, so I plan to keep quiet on this until events have played out further.
Astrum is joining with Kabrinskia. We have stated our demands and yet to receive a clear answer. Our fight is not with Astrum.
Quote from: Glaumring on May 23, 2012, 07:03:41 PM
Astrum is joining with Kabrinskia. We have stated our demands and yet to receive a clear answer. Our fight is not with Astrum.
And what are those demands
Allison hasnt gotten any demands from Asylon or from Terran.
So, is Kabrinskia the only realm that doesn't know? Or is Astrum the only realm that's been told?
Quote from: Indirik on May 23, 2012, 07:37:54 PM
So, is Kabrinskia the only realm that doesn't know? Or is Astrum the only realm that's been told?
So what is it that we do not know....
Asylon's terms?
Whether or not Astrum is going to help you?
If they are going to help, then with what?
Kabrinskia doesnt need to know anything yet. We speak to Astrum often enough and we have certain issues we wish to make clear to them. We dont look at Astrum as an enemy realm. They want to fight thats groovy. But people here got to learn that war is just one way to achieve long term goals.
Quote from: Glaumring on May 23, 2012, 08:27:33 PM
Kabrinskia doesnt need to know anything yet. We speak to Astrum often enough and we have certain issues we wish to make clear to them. We dont look at Astrum as an enemy realm. They want to fight thats groovy. But people here got to learn that war is just one way to achieve long term goals.
And what exactly are your long term goals? I certainly have no idea IC, or even OOC for that matter. If you've spoken to Sergio, he has not shared anything with the rest of the realm yet.
Asylon just wants a hug. To feel, you know ... loved.
Quote from: Indirik on May 23, 2012, 04:50:57 PM
Of course not. Terran and Asylon are allies. The fact that Asylon is lead by an SA monarch is very politically important for Terran. Also, Asylon is seemingly on the rise. A growing power owing you a favor is quite nice. Not to mention that Asylon stepped in to help Terran. There's no way Terran would let Asylon get clobbered too badly.
1) It is interesting to note that the leaders of all four realms involved (Asylon, Astrum, Kabrinskia and Terran) all have Sanguis Astroist leaders. Not so surprising with Astrum and Kabrinskia obviously, but interesting with Asylon and Terran.
2) "There's no way Terran would let Asylon get clobbered too badly" -- that is to say that Terran really has the ability do much about it. Which, honestly, I am not entirely confident about.
Quote from: Perth on May 24, 2012, 12:40:09 AM
2) "There's no way Terran would let Asylon get clobbered too badly" -- that is to say that Terran really has the ability do much about it. Which, honestly, I am not entirely confident about.
This.
It's rather tricky to march an army up to Itau when you're at war with Kabrinskia. If we wanted to help Asylon, how would we do it? Well, by fighting Kabrinskia, obviously. Funny thing is, we were already in the middle of fighting Kabrinskia. Our strategy would be exactly the same whether we wanted to help Asylon or not.
More war is always good. I think Astrum had enough of sitting around. I will be Astrum's cheerleader and sit in the capital and send encouragement letters!
Terran/Asylon= moderate Astroism
Astrum/Kabrinskia= fundamentalist Astroism
Depending on who wins shapes the future of western dwilight. Its awesome, and way more fun to see this map shaken up. Win or lose we came to battle.
It will be an interesting war no doubt. Hopefully this war will last until the end of the year.
Except that, if the war were about Astroism, Terran would drop out of it in about 30 seconds.
Terran's leaders aren't interested in fighting about the future of Astroism; they're interested in fighting to ensure our continuing political position.
Agreed, its good fun all the same.
Quote from: Vellos on May 24, 2012, 04:24:04 AMExcept that, if the war were about Astroism, Terran would drop out of it in about 30 seconds.
Terran's leaders aren't interested in fighting about the future of Astroism; they're interested in fighting to ensure our continuing political position.
... I never thought Hireshmont II would be so naive ...
Of course this is about the future of Sanguis Astroism. Do you really think so many theocracies, and two other realms led by SA followers could
not be a deciding factor in the future of the religion?
Quote from: Indirik on May 24, 2012, 04:56:03 AM
... I never thought Hireshmont II would be so naive ...
Of course this is about the future of Sanguis Astroism. Do you really think so many theocracies, and two other realms led by SA followers could not be a deciding factor in the future of the religion?
Why yes, yes he does. Hireshmont doesn't much care about the future of the religion. He doesn't even know who the fundies/moderates are, nor what may distinguish them. He's quite pro-Mathurin, is friends with Labell, wishes Allison would just go and die already, and desperately wants Astrum to like him: moderate, or fundamentalist?
It's is becoming a very juicy, fun war once again for sure.
(once the daimons left, that is!) ;)
QuoteWhy yes, yes he does. Hireshmont doesn't much care about the future of the religion. He doesn't even know who the fundies/moderates are, nor what may distinguish them. He's quite pro-Mathurin, is friends with Labell, wishes Allison would just go and die already, and desperately wants Astrum to like him: moderate, or fundamentalist?
Dalian. :P
Quote from: Perth on May 24, 2012, 07:05:14 AM
(once the daimons left, that is!) ;)
You are welcome!
Quote from: Vellos on May 24, 2012, 05:15:06 AM
Why yes, yes he does. Hireshmont doesn't much care about the future of the religion. He doesn't even know who the fundies/moderates are, nor what may distinguish them. He's quite pro-Mathurin, is friends with Labell, wishes Allison would just go and die already, and desperately wants Astrum to like him: moderate, or fundamentalist?
Squishy and moderate 8)
Quote from: Vellos on May 24, 2012, 05:15:06 AM
Why yes, yes he does. Hireshmont doesn't much care about the future of the religion. He doesn't even know who the fundies/moderates are, nor what may distinguish them. He's quite pro-Mathurin, is friends with Labell, wishes Allison would just go and die already, and desperately wants Astrum to like him: moderate, or fundamentalist?
Pragmatic.
Quote from: Glaumring on May 24, 2012, 04:00:38 AM
Terran/Asylon= moderate Astroism
Astrum/Kabrinskia= fundamentalist Astroism
Quote from: Vellos on May 24, 2012, 05:15:06 AM
moderate, or fundamentalist?
I was always under the impression that there were three positions in SA that you could be: Fundamentalist, Moderate, and Allison.
IMO fundamentalist and moderate are rather tricky terms when it comes to SA.
There are those who want war against non-theocracies, but at the same favor a very "liberal" approach to what individual astroists can believe.
There are those who want to enforce a strict obedience to the Prophet within the Church, but at the same time are rather peaceful when it comes to non-theocracies.
And there are the pragmatists, whose piety depends on the advantage to their realm.
Asylon is definitely pragmatic as far as I have seen.
Hireshmont, from what I know, seems pragmatic as well however Label is very much in the second category, so Terran as a whole is a bit of a mix.
Allison is of course the first category.
Astrum is kind of mixture of all three.
When we're attacked as with Caerwyn and the Saxons everyone does manage to unite though, so these divisions are mostly only for arguments in-between crusades.
Quote from: Meneldur on May 24, 2012, 03:01:00 PM
IMO fundamentalist and moderate are rather tricky terms when it comes to SA.
There are those who want war against non-theocracies, but at the same favor a very "liberal" approach to what individual astroists can believe.
There are those who want to enforce a strict obedience to the Prophet within the Church, but at the same time are rather peaceful when it comes to non-theocracies.
So, you've got two axes: fundamentalism vs liberalism, and evangelism vs tolerance.
ooo.... can we make an "Astroist Compass" test?
This war will be fun...
Any bets on the winner yet? ;) ;D
Asylon is just... nuts. You never know what they're going to do. And it will eventually land them in a heap of trouble.
I think the analysis of Astrum is good, though. But there may be more hard-liners than people think. They're just not all rabid like Branthorpe.
Quote from: Uzamaki on May 24, 2012, 04:16:11 PM
This war will be fun...
Any bets on the winner yet? ;) ;D
Im betting on Allison. She always finds a way to win!
Quote from: Indirik on May 24, 2012, 04:22:15 PM
Asylon Glaumring is just... nuts. You never know what they're going to do. And it will eventually land them in a heap of trouble.
I joined Asylon before it was cool.
Quote from: Foundation on May 24, 2012, 08:19:53 PM
I joined Asylon before it was cool.
lol I started the initial colonization effort for Asylon lol
Wait... you can join Asylon *now* and still get in before it's cool. :P
Quote from: Indirik on May 24, 2012, 09:42:01 PM
Wait... you can join Asylon *now* and still get in before it's cool. :P
No thanks
Quote from: Indirik on May 24, 2012, 04:22:15 PM
Asylon is just... nuts. You never know what they're going to do. And it will eventually land them in a heap of trouble.
Well, as someone pointed out a couple of posts ahead of me, We are lead by King Glaumring, also known as the Mad King, not that its a bad thing, its more of a... um... Interesting thing =D
Riding on the rails of a crazy king...
Unpredictable doesnt mean crazy... It just means you arent thinking outside the box.
Unpredictable means you aren't thinking outside the box? ???
lol here comes Indirik...
Quote from: Glaumring on May 25, 2012, 04:00:51 AM
Riding on the rails of a crazy king...
Unpredictable doesnt mean crazy... It just means you arent thinking outside the box.
True, but by no means does being unpredictable preclude you from *also* being crazy. ;)
Asylon infiltrator has attacked a priestess of SA.
This is an outrage. Does this not make it a religious war?
Quote from: katayanna on May 25, 2012, 09:28:19 AM
Asylon infiltrator has attacked a priestess of SA.
This is an outrage. Does this not make it a religious war?
No, the Infiltrator attacked the Ruler of an enemy realm, in attempt to spare the lives of thousands. It has nothing to do with religion. OR since the infiltrator belongs to SA aswell, maybe it is religious.
Quote from: Sir Grimrog Bjarnson on May 25, 2012, 11:37:34 AM
No, the Infiltrator attacked the Ruler of an enemy realm, in attempt to spare the lives of thousands. It has nothing to do with religion. OR since the infiltrator belongs to SA aswell, maybe it is religious.
There you go, with all your "facts" and "logic". Can't you see that katayanna really
needs SA to get involved in the war, and that you aren't helping her? Shame on you!
Quote from: Sir Grimrog Bjarnson on May 25, 2012, 11:37:34 AM
No, the Infiltrator attacked the Ruler of an enemy realm, in attempt to spare the lives of thousands. It has nothing to do with religion. OR since the infiltrator belongs to SA aswell, maybe it is religious.
i.e. an infil attacked Allison?
Hm. Hardly civilized, attacking a ruler...
Quote from: Glaumring on May 25, 2012, 04:00:51 AM
Riding on the rails of a crazy king...
Unpredictable doesnt mean crazy... It just means you arent thinking outside the box.
Quote from: Indirik on May 25, 2012, 04:04:44 AM
Unpredictable means you aren't thinking outside the box? ???
The only appropriate response to this is: lol
It seems either way a crazy ruler wins. Either Allison or Glaumring. Or Zuma. Like I said, craziness wins.
Quote from: egamma on May 25, 2012, 02:19:59 PM
There you go, with all your "facts" and "logic". Can't you see that katayanna really needs SA to get involved in the war, and that you aren't helping her? Shame on you!
This is exactly right...
Quote from: Sir Grimrog Bjarnson on May 25, 2012, 11:37:34 AM
No, the Infiltrator attacked the Ruler of an enemy realm, in attempt to spare the lives of thousands. It has nothing to do with religion. OR since the infiltrator belongs to SA aswell, maybe it is religious.
The obvious counter-point: who
cares why he did it? All that matters is what everyone else uses it as an excuse for, and a wonderful excuse it is. :)
Is there some sort of a bug that is preventing battle from taking place or is everyone evading.
Quote from: mikm on May 25, 2012, 09:42:04 PM
Is there some sort of a bug that is preventing battle from taking place or is everyone evading.
Patience my friend. We haven't actually arrived yet. It's an 18 hour trip. You can be *in* the region without actually having gotten there yet. Think of it as we're more than half-way there. ;)
Nice battle. I see that Astrum's 100k crusade for good RCs has paid off. The numbers for hits and casualties sufferes were seriously against Asylon the entire battle. Can't wait to see the second round results.
Astrum economy owns Asylons, enjoy the walk home though.
Quote from: Indirik on May 26, 2012, 04:02:53 PM
Nice battle. I see that Astrum's 100k crusade for good RCs has paid off. The numbers for hits and casualties sufferes were seriously against Asylon the entire battle. Can't wait to see the second round results.
Don't forget Asilion won the first battle. I say the archers were the highlight for Asilion. Last units standing. Least causulties.
The second was certain to be lost. Our largest units were archers. Suprsingly we still have units.
Quote from: mikm on May 26, 2012, 07:05:05 PM
Don't forget Asilion won the first battle. I say the archers were the highlight for Asilion. Last units standing. Least causulties.
The second was certain to be lost. Our largest units were archers. Suprsingly we still have units.
You also had 800 of those archers before the first battle, double what we had. You had more infantry too. Fortunately you didn't have any cavalry and we do.
And we have a pretty good cavalry center now waiting for people to recruit from... though cavalry is rather unpopular in Astrum :o
Quote from: Zakilevo on May 26, 2012, 07:15:20 PM
And we have a pretty good cavalry center now waiting for people to recruit from... though cavalry is rather unpopular in Astrum :o
They aren't the best for monster fighting. Sergio and I used to recruit them regularly back in the day, but the recruitment center in Libiddo was size-limited by being in a rural region, and for a long time it's the only one of note that we had. When I go back to Eidulb, I plan on recruiting a large unit of elite-somethings. We'll see how many recruits are available in our better recruitment centers.
Looks to me like Asylon just jacked up it's monster-hunting army and went to war with it... why else would one have an army consisting of 2/3 archers.
We basically just used what we had instead of telling everyone to strip. We are the vietnam in this struggle, fighting against the USA and nato.
Wow, could we get the battle reports? I'm curious OoC about that archer army...
Quote from: JPierreD on May 26, 2012, 08:40:00 PM
Wow, could we get the battle reports? I'm curious OoC about that archer army...
http://battlemaster.org/ShowScribeNote.php?ID=196734&Hash=4f76586d942e1438
http://battlemaster.org/ShowScribeNote.php?ID=196797&Hash=d9bbcc85b107bd7d
Can we get those posted on the Wiki for those of us without characters that can access those reports, please?
HTML, please, with bold, coloring, and fancy 3D graphics. Please make a cinematic for those of us adverse to reading.
Quote from: Foundation on May 26, 2012, 11:50:14 PM
HTML, please, with bold, coloring, and fancy 3D graphics. Please make a cinematic for those of us adverse to reading.
Ahahaha!
Quote from: Velax on May 26, 2012, 10:42:48 PM
Can we get those posted on the Wiki for those of us without characters that can access those reports, please?
Give the wiki link and I'll paste it there.
Quote from: Foundation on May 26, 2012, 11:50:14 PM
HTML, please, with bold, coloring, and fancy 3D graphics. Please make a cinematic for those of us adverse to reading.
No, just a CTRL-A, CTRL-V would be fine, thanks. Thanks for the pointless sarcasm, though. You really added a great deal to this thread, as one would expect a Dev to do.
The wiki didn't work very well: http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/User_talk:D%27Arricarr%C3%A8re#Archer-army_battle
So I put it in a pastebin: http://pastebin.com/NKQTrsGu
While not the best look, hope it is enough.
Thanks for that. Much appreciated.
Quote from: Lorgan on May 26, 2012, 08:04:13 PM
Looks to me like Asylon just jacked up it's monster-hunting army and went to war with it... why else would one have an army consisting of 2/3 archers.
We're comming at them with our pitchforks and slingshots!
Quote from: Velax on May 27, 2012, 06:49:09 AM
No, just a CTRL-A, CTRL-V would be fine, thanks. Thanks for the pointless sarcasm, though. You really added a great deal to this thread, as one would expect a Dev to do.
You're very welcome! I'm glad you appreciate my contribution! I love the Dwilight subforum. 8)
And now, coming at the speed of democracy.... the army of Terran!
Let's just hope Astrum doesn't get all the way back to Eidulb before we get to Demyansk.
Quote from: Vellos on May 27, 2012, 09:00:20 PM
Let's just hope Astrum doesn't get all the way back to Eidulb before we get to Demyansk.
Extremely possible.
And... Marching in slowly to the tune of the Ride of the Valkyries is... The Pride of Phantaria! Only to find... An already refitted Astrum army charging at them. :-\
At least you've got cool music.
Quote from: Indirik on May 27, 2012, 10:25:11 PM
At least you've got cool music.
Wagner!? Oh no...
Asylon marches to Slayer reign in blood.
Then they should definitely outrun the Astrumites ;D
Well, so we managed to not completely screw up our invasion of Demyansk. Ain't that somethin'.
Quote from: Vellos on May 29, 2012, 06:57:09 AM
Well, so we managed to not completely screw up our invasion of Demyansk. Ain't that somethin'.
We strive for mediocrity. 8)
Quote from: Perth on May 29, 2012, 09:27:07 AM
We strive for mediocrity. 8)
And nearly achieve it.
So you were mediocre at achieving mediocrity.
Good to see Teran on the move.
Quote from: mikm on May 30, 2012, 07:58:27 PM
Good to see Teran on the move.
Now if they will just move again back the way they came..... lol
Quote from: katayanna on May 30, 2012, 07:59:28 PM
Now if they will just move again back the way they came..... lol
And here I thought Kabrinskians were gloating about giving Terran beatings just a day ago?
Quote from: Foundation on May 29, 2012, 05:44:28 PM
So you were mediocre at achieving mediocrity.
+1
Also, wait for Barca's armies to return to the front. Be patient, but we will be back.
Quote from: Galvez on May 31, 2012, 12:12:59 AM
+1
Also, wait for Barca's armies to return to the front. Be patient, but we will be back.
I also have faith in this.
Terran, Barca, and Asylon can handle Kabrinskia and Astrum easily.
Astrum just makes the victory slower to achieve. And D'Hara's more than ready to compensate for any third-party, should others decide to save Allison's face.
Quote from: Chénier on May 31, 2012, 12:24:21 AM
I also have faith in this.
Terran, Barca, and Asylon can handle Kabrinskia and Astrum easily.
Astrum just makes the victory slower to achieve. And D'Hara's more than ready to compensate for any third-party, should others decide to save Allison's face.
Can't wait for D'Hara's participation. I've never seen D'Hara do anything :o
Is Astrum even going to attack Terran or viceversa? I haven't heard anything that says so, but my character is hardly at the centre of Dwilight politics.
D'Hara beat Madina once... haha... Madina...
They will soon realize, like we recently that a limited war is no way to win a conflict. Asylon vs Astrum is going to be a cool match. Pretty exciting time to be on Dwilight. Sometimes you have to shake things up to make it more fun.
Quote from: Zakilevo on May 31, 2012, 12:32:04 AM
Can't wait for D'Hara's participation. I've never seen D'Hara do anything :o
Madina tried themselves, and we were a crippled struggling realm back then, with no gold, no recruitment centres, and no fortifications, or just about.
The long periods of prosperity have allowed us unprecendented leeway to address all of our vulnerabilities.
Of course, though, the more we wait, the stronger we'll be, so as long as no one else jumps into the war were are content to let things continue as they are evolving.
Quote from: Zakilevo on May 31, 2012, 12:32:04 AM
Can't wait for D'Hara's participation. I've never seen D'Hara do anything :o
I sort of suspect that if they have not yet joined they will never do it. If, say, Aurvandil joins the war defeat will be certain, so D'Hara will just whistle and pretend they didn't see anything.
Quote from: JPierreD on May 31, 2012, 02:30:35 AM
I sort of suspect that if they have not yet joined they will never do it. If, say, Aurvandil joins the war defeat will be certain, so D'Hara will just whistle and pretend they didn't see anything.
Aurvandil, whom currently are trying to hold there own lands, havn't finished TOing the Madina lands, and are having trouble with monsters in the madina dutchy. Not to mention the Barca situation. Doubtful we'll join anytime soon.
Quote from: Chénier on May 31, 2012, 12:24:21 AM
I also have faith in this.
Terran, Barca, and Asylon can handle Kabrinskia and Astrum easily.
Astrum just makes the victory slower to achieve. And D'Hara's more than ready to compensate for any third-party, should others decide to save Allison's face.
Pff, it's never been about Allison. Well, maybe it is for you guys. Not for us though. And I'm at least as confident as you are about how things are going thus far. There's still a lot of cards that aren't on the table yet from both sides.
P.S.: I *love* Dwilight.
Quote from: Geronus on May 31, 2012, 02:56:13 AM
Pff, it's never been about Allison. Well, maybe it is for you guys. Not for us though. And I'm at least as confident as you are about how things are going thus far. There's still a lot of cards that aren't on the table yet from both sides.
P.S.: I *love* Dwilight.
It's about a lot of things for a lot of people.
Getting at Allison (among others) is a good way to achieve a number of things, too.
Quote from: JPierreD on May 31, 2012, 02:30:35 AM
I sort of suspect that if they have not yet joined they will never do it. If, say, Aurvandil joins the war defeat will be certain, so D'Hara will just whistle and pretend they didn't see anything.
Aurvandil has nothing but praise for D'Hara. They scare some people, but they don't scare me.
Whenever people annoy me, I picture myself turning to Aurvandil and shouting: "RELEASE THE KRAKKEN!"
Quote from: Chénier on May 31, 2012, 03:31:41 AM
It's about a lot of things for a lot of people.
Getting at Allison (among others) is a good way to achieve a number of things, too.
Aurvandil has nothing but praise for D'Hara. They scare some people, but they don't scare me.
Whenever people annoy me, I picture myself turning to Aurvandil and shouting: "RELEASE THE KRAKKEN!"
If you could convince Aurv to attack a city and then roleplay being in the city at the time and as Aurvandil make a beachhead shouting "Release the Kraken" that would possibly be the best turn of events in dwilight history
Quote from: DamnTaffer on May 31, 2012, 03:56:05 AM
If you could convince Aurv to attack a city and then roleplay being in the city at the time and as Aurvandil make a beachhead shouting "Release the Kraken" that would possibly be the best turn of events in dwilight history
Hey, D'Haran sea routes connect to a lot of places. You never know when an Aurvandil Krakken army may show up from one of them. ;)
Mind you, that would force us in a war. Which would force us to spend gold on troops. We are quite fine with swimming in seas of gold, wouldn't want to be forced to spend any of it for no good reason, now!
Quote from: Chénier on May 31, 2012, 04:08:21 AM
We are quite fine with swimming in seas of gold
I am merely a knight in D'hara and have so much gold I am considering to start funding other realm's lords who can make a marketplace but haven't since I have nothing else to do with all my gold and building marketplaces will make trading easier for me.
Astrum won't be attacking Terran while Asylon is right beside them. I'm also pretty sure that Morek and Libero will be joining the war once they're done destroying Summerdale.
/me lols
This thread is full of hilarity.
Quote from: Penchant on May 31, 2012, 05:32:25 AM
I am merely a knight in D'hara and have so much gold I am considering to start funding other realm's lords who can make a marketplace but haven't since I have nothing else to do with all my gold and building marketplaces will make trading easier for me.
So what I'm hearing is, I should tell your liege to tax you more? :D
Quote from: Feylonis on May 31, 2012, 05:34:26 AM
Astrum won't be attacking Terran while Asylon is right beside them. I'm also pretty sure that Morek and Libero will be joining the war once they're done destroying Summerdale.
Morek and Libero Empire? You mean the same realms that would take about two weeks to get to Terran or Asylon and then about two weeks back for a refit?
Nice try. I doubt Libero enters this war. Maybe Morek comes down for a campaign or two. But I'll believe it when I see it(and I surely hope I don;t see it, because that's bad, bad news for Terran).
Quote from: Uzamaki on May 31, 2012, 06:39:09 AM
Morek and Libero Empire? You mean the same realms that would take about two weeks to get to Terran or Asylon and then about two weeks back for a refit?
Sure, two weeks by
land. About a third that if by boat.
Quote from: Marlboro on May 31, 2012, 06:50:59 AM
Sure, two weeks by land. About a third that if by boat.
Yep. It does reduce the travel time a lot.
Quote from: Marlboro on May 31, 2012, 06:50:59 AM
Sure, two weeks by land. About a third that if by boat.
I did the travel times from Faithill to Muspelheim. It would take 11 days, which means probably at best 12 days for a rally. I expect it would take at least two weeks if they were shooting for Asylon.
Quote from: Uzamaki on May 31, 2012, 06:39:09 AM
Morek and Libero Empire? You mean the same realms that would take about two weeks to get to Terran or Asylon and then about two weeks back for a refit?
Nice try. I doubt Libero enters this war. Maybe Morek comes down for a campaign or two. But I'll believe it when I see it(and I surely hope I don;t see it, because that's bad, bad news for Terran).
I mean them who are part of the SA bloc. Considering that we're at war with two SA realms, and the history of SA being a single military unit, then yes, I expect them to appear on the battlefield.
Quote from: Uzamaki on May 31, 2012, 06:59:05 AM
I did the travel times from Faithill to Muspelheim. It would take 11 days, which means probably at best 12 days for a rally. I expect it would take at least two weeks if they were shooting for Asylon.
Aegir to Golden Farrow is ~75 hours going Aegir-Freke-Mimer-Libidizedd-Eidulb-Golden Farrow (Give or take a couple; my "military adviser" refused to believe there was any way to go from Freke to Mimer). Assuming you're starting with the full pool or something close to it, and still getting 8 hours a turn, that's 4-5 days (Unsure if being set to Vanguard would further reduce the final figure). There will definitely be stragglers, but even half of them arriving suddenly would be an instant game-changer.
That said, not counting on it, but it's only marginally worse than Barca's hike.
Looks like there is about to be a close battle in Demyansk between Terran and Kabrinskia. Should be interesting!
Quote from: Perth on May 31, 2012, 07:21:58 AM
Looks like there is about to be a close battle in Demyansk between Terran and Kabrinskia. Should be interesting!
12000 cs vs. 11000 cs... is going to be real close.
Quote from: Feylonis on May 31, 2012, 07:03:33 AM
I mean them who are part of the SA bloc. Considering that we're at war with two SA realms, and the history of SA being a single military unit, then yes, I expect them to appear on the battlefield.
Perhaps you should re-read your history books... In the past nothing short of a crusade has forced the entire SA bloc to work as one unit.
I mean Morek and Libero *could* join in, but why would they? Astrum has in interest in curbing Asylon's power in the region, but I doubt anyone else apart from maybe Iashalur has similar aims.
Quote from: Meneldur on May 31, 2012, 10:15:48 AM
Perhaps you should re-read your history books... In the past nothing short of a crusade has forced the entire SA bloc to work as one unit.
I mean Morek and Libero *could* join in, but why would they? Astrum has in interest in curbing Asylon's power in the region, but I doubt anyone else apart from maybe Iashalur has similar aims.
Perhaps you should read up on current events. The Kabrinskians are trying to spin it so that Asylon is anti-SA, and therefore, worthy of being crusaded against.
Quote from: Feylonis on May 31, 2012, 11:00:02 AM
Perhaps you should read up on current events. The Kabrinskians are trying to spin it so that Asylon is anti-SA, and therefore, worthy of being crusaded against.
I know, I am in SA. However it is a rather moot point as Allison has yet to convince the other theocracies or the Church Elders of this, and I highly doubt she will be able to do so in the near future. Simply because Allison wants somthing doesn't mean SA automatically follows; if that had been the case SA would have turned against the Moot ages ago.
Quote from: Feylonis on May 31, 2012, 07:03:33 AM
I mean them who are part of the SA bloc. Considering that we're at war with two SA realms, and the history of SA being a single military unit, then yes, I expect them to appear on the battlefield.
I'm unsure how it is that you count Libero as "part of SA" but not Asylon... what's your criteria?
Libero has a higher concentration of SA. Also, never underestimate what Allison is capable of...
Quote from: GoldPanda on May 31, 2012, 06:12:33 AM
So what I'm hearing is, I should tell your liege to tax you more? :D
His liege probably isn't sure what to do with his own gold, so what'd be the point? ;)
As for other SA realms entering the war... Pfff. We are prepared for it, but I doubt it'll happen. All of the realms involved have SA as an official religion. I think you overestimate how much Morek likes Allison. After all, Allison *did* secede from Morek once, didn't she?
Oh I see how it works...
Quote from: Feylonis on May 31, 2012, 11:00:02 AM
Perhaps you should read up on current events. The Kabrinskians are trying to spin it so that Asylon is anti-SA, and therefore, worthy of being crusaded against.
Terran and Asylon both freely permit the worship of SA, and the Church is well aware of that fact.
She seceded and then they spun it as a trick when it was really just Caerwyn attacking Astrum and SA figuring out they didnt want to fight themselves as much as Caerwyn.
Quote from: Feylonis on May 31, 2012, 11:00:02 AM
Perhaps you should read up on current events. The Kabrinskians are trying to spin it so that Asylon is anti-SA, and therefore, worthy of being crusaded against.
We are not anti-SA we are anti-Kabrinski. As soon as she is dethroned we will cease the war and deal with land issues.
/me lols
I need to stop reading this thread. I keep choking on my coffee from all the laughing.
Quote from: Marlboro on May 31, 2012, 07:06:57 AMmy "military adviser" refused to believe there was any way to go from Freke to Mimer
From the Military Adviser page:
"Determine how long it will take you with your unit and paraphernalia to travel between
any pair of adjacent regions."
Mimer and Freke are not adjacent. That's why you can't get that time estimate.
Quote from: vonGenf on May 31, 2012, 12:04:17 PM
I'm unsure how it is that you count Libero as "part of SA" but not Asylon... what's your criteria?
Asylon also has at least 2 religions other than SA active in it. Libero, and even Summerdale, does not.
Contrary to Feylonis desires for holy crusade. This is not a religious war and Asylons history demanded of it to be more tolerant than the older homogenized realms. We didnt have the virtue of Gm protection in an empty map to create our realm.
My name is Bob, and I'm proud to be a rich and lazy trader of D'hara.
Disclaimer: the above may have true content 50% of the time with 25% accuracy
Quote from: Foundation on May 31, 2012, 05:12:22 PM
My name is Bob, and I'm proud to be a rich and lazy trader of D'hara.
Disclaimer: the above may have true content 50% of the time with 25% accuracy
Slobs of the world: unite!
Quote from: Feylonis on May 31, 2012, 04:49:00 PM
Asylon also has at least 2 religions other than SA active in it.
Does it still? I know that daimon worship in Asylon died out.
QuoteLibero, and even Summerdale, does not.
I wouldn't be too sure of that... (Well, about there being two of them, anyway...)
Quote from: Feylonis on May 31, 2012, 04:49:00 PM
Asylon also has at least 2 religions other than SA active in it. Libero, and even Summerdale, does not.
There's also the fact that Libero's Queen in one of SA's Elders. They're not a theocracy, but . . . I'd definitely call them a SA realm. Others may not, of course, but in my opinion they are de facto SA.
Quote from: BardicNerd on May 31, 2012, 05:41:25 PM
There's also the fact that Libero's Queen in one of SA's Elders. They're not a theocracy, but . . . I'd definitely call them a SA realm. Others may not, of course, but in my opinion they are de facto SA.
Even if not necessarily ruled by them, we have well-placed members of the Church in our realms as well, and friends in the church abroad.
Allison is skilled and have pull, but she does not have the whole of the church backing her up. Especially when her actions only serve her own political purposes, while lowering respect for the Church in the eyes of others.
Quote from: Chénier on May 31, 2012, 05:46:01 PMAllison is skilled and have pull, but she does not have the whole of the church backing her up.
While true, this only defines one side of the issue. You seem to have convinced yourself that this is the only side that matters, or that the other side not exist.
It is possible to join a conflict on the side of Team X with one of two goals in mind: To support Team X, or to oppose Team Y. You can join Team X's side to accomplish one of these goals even if you don't like the idea that you are also accomplishing the other goal at the same time. So long as you like one goal more than you dislike the other goal, you will still join.
So, yes, Allison herself may not enjoy the favor of the entire church. But if you're betting on that, then you've placed a losing bet. What you should really be betting on is: Do all the northern realms want Allison to lose more than they want Asylon/Terran to lose? But the issue is even more complicated than that, because thanks to Glaumring, there are now two separate wars that you need to account for. Which tosses the whole situation back into the air. And a simple
"Allison doesn't have the support of the whole church" is ridiculously inadequate to describe the dynamics of the situation. And again, if that's your bet, then it's a losing one.
Quote from: Indirik on May 31, 2012, 06:06:19 PM
While true, this only defines one side of the issue. You seem to have convinced yourself that this is the only side that matters, or that the other side not exist.
It is possible to join a conflict on the side of Team X with one of two goals in mind: To support Team X, or to oppose Team Y. You can join Team X's side to accomplish one of these goals even if you don't like the idea that you are also accomplishing the other goal at the same time. So long as you like one goal more than you dislike the other goal, you will still join.
So, yes, Allison herself may not enjoy the favor of the entire church. But if you're betting on that, then you've placed a losing bet. What you should really be betting on is: Do all the northern realms want Allison to lose more than they want Asylon/Terran to lose? But the issue is even more complicated than that, because thanks to Glaumring, there are now two separate wars that you need to account for. Which tosses the whole situation back into the air. And a simple "Allison doesn't have the support of the whole church" is ridiculously inadequate to describe the dynamics of the situation. And again, if that's your bet, then it's a losing one.
Before Asylon started TOing, I would have suggested that most SA realms were content to have Terran and allies beat up on Kabrinskia and embarrass them. I think most of them were, if not ecstatic, at least comfortable with the idea of Terran being the main power in the area.
But Asylon's actions... greatly complicate it. I suspect very few in SA are content to let Asylon be the hegemon south of Astrum. Terran might have been acceptable; I seriously doubt Asylon will be.
Quote
Battle in Odona (57 minutes ago)
D'Hara vs. (rogue)
Estimated strengths: 100 men vs. 20 men
The hero Sir Francis Adams Kinsey of D'Hara, General and Prime Minister of D'Hara, Duke of Port Raviel, Margrave of Port Raviel, Marshal of the Dragon Corps was killed by a militia unit of (rogue).
Attacker Victory!
Time for a shakeup in D'Hara...
The Battle in Demyansk was a complete route. Terran forces were devastated. I can put a battle report up here but I can share a letter from our general immediately following the battle. It simply lists the wounded and the captured.
Letter from William Hyde (27 minutes ago)
Message sent to everyone in your realm (26 recipients)
The Stars are were with us this day.
wounded:
Terran (7)
Hireshmont II Vellos of Terran, Chief Magistrate of Terran has been wounded by Shiba Archers (34)
Octavian Mars of Terran, Senator of Mistight has been wounded by Comes the Dawn (25)
Kas Mayhem of Terran, Senator of Lavendrow has been wounded by Temple's doom (36).
Octavian Mars of Terran, Senator of Mistight has been wounded by Farrowfield Heavy Cavalry (28).
Gregor Dmitros of Terran (Knight of Shoka, Terran) has been wounded by The Widow Makers (38).
Alura Aurea of Terran, Senator of Vassar has been wounded by Fist of the Maddening Star (29)
Erasmus La Pointe of Terran, Magistrate of Justice of Terran, Senator of Vashgew has been wounded by Farrowfield Heavy Cavalry (28).
Kabrinskia (2)
Vistuvis Adriddae of Kabrinskia (Knight of Golden Farrow, Kabrinskia) has been wounded by Phantaran Longbows (11)
Samos Mithridates of Kabrinskia, Count of Elets has been wounded by Dearth (3).
Captured
Terran
Harim Belios of Terran, Senator of Inklen has been captured by The Red Robes (37). (((Samos wins 50 Gold from me)))
Kabrinskia
Pippa Anderbliss of Kabrinskia (Dame of Mech Alb, Kabrinskia) has been captured by Perthian Flyers VI (10).
Kabrinskia still has 10K CS and Terran is down to 4K CS... I look for them to retreat soon.
in the mean time Asylon has a force gathering in Mech Alb that I assume will be dealt with soon.
What were the real troop counts? The HBR was "930 men vs. 1620 men". Was there a peasant mob n Kabrinskia's side?
Quote from: Indirik on May 31, 2012, 07:41:33 PM
What were the real troop counts? The HBR was "930 men vs. 1620 men". Was there a peasant mob n Kabrinskia's side?
You mean this?
Total:
20 attackers (425 Inf, 434 Arch, 75 Cav, 108 SF)
19 defenders (174 Inf, 131 MI, 319 Arch, 250 Cav, 56 SF, 725 other)
Total combat strengths: 11742 vs. 11814
The region owner Kabrinskia and their allies defend.
The Terran troops attack because they are at war with Kabrinskia.
Quote from: Indirik on May 31, 2012, 03:44:10 PM
From the Military Adviser page:
"Determine how long it will take you with your unit and paraphernalia to travel between any pair of adjacent regions."
Mimer and Freke are not adjacent. That's why you can't get that time estimate.
D'oh, confirmation bias. I was hoping it was the silly commoner that was an idiot, not me.
So what happened there? Did the peasants soak up a ton of hits, or did the cav win it for you?
Quote from: Velax on May 31, 2012, 08:04:06 PM
So what happened there? Did the peasants soak up a ton of hits, or did the cav win it for you?
As for the peasants, really not as much as you'd think. There was one mob of 725, and they "only" took 111 casualties once they got into melee (over the course of four rounds). Correspondingly, they didn't really do much damage to the enemy.
Cav did good, infantry did good, really just solid work from everyone involved. I was pretty surprised when I woke up to find I didn't have to hit Rally, honestly.
@Katayanna: Yes, that's it.
Nice big peasant mob. 111 casualties is... 40 or so troops? Depending on quality.
Nice job to Kabrinskia. Looking at those numbers, I'd think Terran would have won handily. Cav turned the tide for you? That's a big advantage in cavalry to crush the attackers ranks.
I'd bet on the charge completely breaking the infantry line, and the archers getting decimated soon after. If Terran troops were engaged on the peasant mob, the battle would be even more one sided.
Quote from: Indirik on May 31, 2012, 08:34:01 PM
Nice big peasant mob. 111 casualties is... 40 or so troops? Depending on quality.
Nice job to Kabrinskia. Looking at those numbers, I'd think Terran would have won handily. Cav turned the tide for you? That's a big advantage in cavalry to crush the attackers ranks.
The mob had CS of ~1/man, my infantry unit's a little more than 10/man, so more like 11-12. Not saying superior horsepower (IE Brom's unit) didn't make a difference but as an infantry commander Paul's reluctant to give them all the credit here. XD
How many hits per casualty on the peasants? Normal infantry take 20-30, depending on quality.
Asylon is no longer pursuing a policy of takeover in Mech Alb. This whole thing has gone insane and I can hardly believe the attitude towards Asylon in Dwilight, you guys !@#$ing hate me, have since Thulsoma for some reason there has been a massive !@#$ing hate for Glaumring IG and Oog since forever, Geronus has disliked me, Indirik, garrett, Haktoo, Libero, most of Morek, Corsanctum now, and all of Kabrinskia... I am not sure why but its probably because I have individual ideas and a strong personality. I really dont understand it all. Hell I dont think even Vellos or Chenier like me. I get it, everyone was waiting for this mOment for ages... No matter what diplomacy or things Asylon tries its always me versus SA and the rest of Dwilight... And I have no idea why, I try to have fun, make it fun and run an interesting realm. Even my ideas like bloodmoon are derided. When you guys destroy me for whatever reason... At least I'll know I fought hard against the whole world.
Quite the rant.
I think you have very colourful ideas in game but don't take the time to build the friendships and alliances that you need before you start to put your plans in action. Just my view from Libero, which does indeed dislike you but mostly because you mad-mouth us every chance you get.
... you have a serious persecution complex.
The reason that so many realms are aligned against you is quite simple: You declared defensive support for Terran in the war. So far, so good. We're cool with that, and content to let you guys fight it out. But from almost day one, you kept trying to expand the war well beyond your original claims on spurious and inconsequential rationalizations, without even consulting your erstwhile allies. Did you think that would make *anyone* happy? You kept waffling back and forth: "We're going to do this. No we're not. Yes we are. No we're not..." You signed a cease-fire with Kabrinskia, then turned around and declared an offensive, land-grabbing war on them two days later. WTH? What did you expect to happen?
Asylon agreed to certain borders with Kabrinskia. There was no coercion involved, despite your IC claims. Everyone involved knows this. So your IC claims of coercion and bullying against Asylon arouse IC anger and hostility. You've declared war on the basis that your claims are being ignored and disrespected. Despite the fact that when Astrum finished off Caerwyn we allowed Asylon to take land that included two duchies that more than doubled the size of Asylon. And what we get in return is outraged defiance that we didn't let you have one more region. How dare we be so selfish!
(FWIW - I specifically did NOT set hard borders in a formal treaty specifically so that this type of border war would eventually erupt between Kabrinskia and their neighbors. If the war had been Kabrinskia v. Asylon *or* Kabrinskia v. Terran, then it probably would have stayed a simple 1v1 border war. Running both wars concurrently, coupled with the seemingly irrational acts of Glaumring is what caused the entrance of Astrum into the war.)
Your character makes wildly opposite shifts in stance at the drop of a hat. (FYI - We've gotten apologetic letters from at least three Asylonian nobles apologizing for the rash and irrational acts of their ruler.) Your character spouts seemingly random gibberish with no discernible reason. (You called the Holy Prophet a muffin head...) Many of our characters are convinced that the Glaumring character is flat out insane. And no one wants A realm as large and powerful as Asylon on their borders being led by an insane king.
As far as I know, no one has any OOC hate for you. But, IC, we all think Glaumring is bat!@#$ crazy. We blame it on the bloodmoon fruit.
Quote from: Indirik on May 31, 2012, 10:07:28 PM
(You called the Holy Prophet a muffin head...)
That was actually the moment I decided I
liked Glaumring.
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As far as I know, no one has any OOC hate for you. But, IC, we all think Glaumring is bat!@#$ crazy.
This. We're enemies, but as a player I respect that you bring an element of fun to the table.
I act irrational because every time I do something I am attacked by everyone all the time. I literally have to dance around on my toes just to keep up. When I was in Thulsoma no one talked to me, there was a heresy trial and Libero threatened us all the time with war. So I left to Asylon, same thing happened no one talked to me and Caerwyn threatens me with war all the time and the Astroists stick Allison Kabrinski next to me who immediately sets out to start a fight. Its clear I am not like by Astroism or the Astroist realms. My realm is a not a theocracy like the others.
I may be mad but I got my kingdom very far without next to zero support both Thulsoma and Asylon. I'll do it again.
Quote from: Glaumring on May 31, 2012, 10:17:54 PM
So I left to Asylon, same thing happened no one talked to me and Caerwyn threatens me with war all the time
Oh come on!!
You instigated a revolt and took over their colony! Did you expect them to pay you tribute in milk and cookies?!
Quoteand the Astroists stick Allison Kabrinski next to me
Which had nothing to do with you or Asylon. That was aimed at the Moot and Terran. And it worked. You just got in the way.
Quotewho immediately sets out to start a fight.
Of course she did. It's Allison. The entire purpose of her realm was to start a war. Although, to be honest, it wasn't supposed to be with Asylon. But then again, you chose your own side in that war. We didn't lump you in with Terran, you jumped into their arms all on your own.
QuoteIts clear I am not like by Astroism or the Astroist realms.
Like I said, we all think Galumring is literally insane.
QuoteMy realm is a not a theocracy like the others.
Irrelevant. Neither is LE or Summerdale. Astrum has good relations with Summerdale. Morek and LE are good neighbors. We're all pretty friendly with Solaria. Some of us even like D'Hara. And, although I don't know why, some people even are friendly with Terran. :o
QuoteI may be mad but I got my kingdom very far without next to zero support both Thulsoma and Asylon. I'll do it again.
You have indeed done a lot. Asylon is flourishing. It has grown to a very large, prosperous, and powerful kingdom. Yet you just can't get rid of this Napoleon complex you seem to have, constantly accusing everyone of looking down on you and your realm. It's simply not true.
I have sent diplomats to Astrum to speak wht I beed to say an never a reply. Kabrinskia and astrum will destroy Asylon to the last blade of grass. Spare the realm, take me, kill me instead. Dont kill them for the ramblings of the mad king.
What's all the fuss about? I was under impression Asylon/Terran was doing well? No need to give up before the match even begins right?
Quote from: Arrakis on May 31, 2012, 10:55:59 PM
What's all the fuss about? I was under impression Asylon/Terran was doing well? No need to give up before the match even begins right?
Well, Glaumring was riding a high when Asylon barely lost in Mech Alb. But now he's riding a low, maybe because of the talk of foreign powers joining and Terran losing pretty badly in Demynsk(even though we did do considerable damage to the production there).
Quote from: Uzamaki on May 31, 2012, 11:18:29 PM
Well, Glaumring was riding a high when Asylon barely lost in Mech Alb. But now he's riding a low, maybe because of the talk of foreign powers joining and Terran losing pretty badly in Demynsk(even though we did do considerable damage to the production there).
Yeah, just typical Glaumring being moody and bipolar. ;)
One day he's aiding Terran, the next he's signed a cease-fire with Kabrinskia, the next day he's invading Kabrinskia. One minute he's going to "take on the world" the next minute he says Asylon will be destroyed "down to the last blade of grass."
Sheesh, get a hold of yourself man!
Also, I take responsibility for the loss in Demyansk. I ordered the Archers to open in front hoping our superior number of Archers would give us an early advantage to deal with their loads of cavalry. Alas, it didn't work and I should have opened with the Infantry out front and maybe even tried some box formations.
Quote from: Indirik on May 31, 2012, 06:06:19 PM
While true, this only defines one side of the issue. You seem to have convinced yourself that this is the only side that matters, or that the other side not exist.
It is possible to join a conflict on the side of Team X with one of two goals in mind: To support Team X, or to oppose Team Y. You can join Team X's side to accomplish one of these goals even if you don't like the idea that you are also accomplishing the other goal at the same time. So long as you like one goal more than you dislike the other goal, you will still join.
So, yes, Allison herself may not enjoy the favor of the entire church. But if you're betting on that, then you've placed a losing bet. What you should really be betting on is: Do all the northern realms want Allison to lose more than they want Asylon/Terran to lose? But the issue is even more complicated than that, because thanks to Glaumring, there are now two separate wars that you need to account for. Which tosses the whole situation back into the air. And a simple "Allison doesn't have the support of the whole church" is ridiculously inadequate to describe the dynamics of the situation. And again, if that's your bet, then it's a losing one.
Of course, I will not say everything I know, for that would reveal what I don't know.
However, I am willing to say we are prepared for a vast spectrum of scenarios, from the likely to insane. With eternal and omnipresent threats, D'Hara fermented in paranoïa. Little would surprise me, though of course there's some levels of uncertainty and there's a limit to how "prepared" one can be.
While we are rich, rest assured that we are not sloths like Madina. We are officially a republic, and we do have occasional elections, but the realm is always everyone's top priority.
Part of the unpredictable nature and strategy is/was planned. The other part is RL stress, im working 13 hours a day for an oil/gas/chemical cleaning company in northern Alberta so my head is a bit mushy when I get a chance to sit down. Plus I play from the phone etc. I apologize didn't intend on getting my realm so hated so irrevocably.
I still think there is a chance for Asylon... And I will see it through these times.
Quote from: katayanna on May 31, 2012, 07:44:27 PM
You mean this?
Total:
20 attackers (425 Inf, 434 Arch, 75 Cav, 108 SF)
19 defenders (174 Inf, 131 MI, 319 Arch, 250 Cav, 56 SF, 725 other)
Total combat strengths: 11742 vs. 11814
The region owner Kabrinskia and their allies defend.
The Terran troops attack because they are at war with Kabrinskia.
For whoever asked, it was the cavalry pretty much wrecking the infantry line and archers at the same time that won the battle for Kabrinskia with such a large margin. My cavalry alone did 2244 hits in one round of fighting during their charge. (granted, it was 100 cavalry, but still) They also hit 6 different units. The rest of the cavalry had similar results.
The funny thing is that lack of (good) cavalry in the Moot was one of the complaints I made while there.
Quote from: Glaumring on May 31, 2012, 10:17:54 PM
I act irrational because every time I do something I am attacked by everyone all the time. I literally have to dance around on my toes just to keep up. When I was in Thulsoma no one talked to me, there was a heresy trial and Libero threatened us all the time with war. So I left to Asylon, same thing happened no one talked to me and Caerwyn threatens me with war all the time and the Astroists stick Allison Kabrinski next to me who immediately sets out to start a fight. Its clear I am not like by Astroism or the Astroist realms. My realm is a not a theocracy like the others.
I may be mad but I got my kingdom very far without next to zero support both Thulsoma and Asylon. I'll do it again.
The main thing is that realms have to trust you in your leadership. Whether they are allies or enemies. If you can't be trusted, people won't want you next to them. Allison is insane, but pretty much everyone around her can trust that she'll be greedy for her realm and act like she's the Queen of everything. BUT, they also know she won't just randomly do something crazy. It'll be calculated at the very least. Pretty much the same goes for Brom. People can trust he'll be greedy and self-serving. Which makes him useful and you won't really be surprised with his actions. (except the switch to Kabrinskia)
A lot of Glaumring's actions are seemingly random. The whole cease-fire then war with takeovers in 2 days time was one of those things. If you can make that change, what stops you from attacking the Moot or Astrum tomorrow?
In the end, I don't think this war is even close to a tipping point. BUT, it will likely be more interesting going forward.
Honestly, Asylon was never ready for a war. We didn't have a strong set of RCs, Itau duchy was still decrepit weeks after we acquired them, and we just wanted to keep expanding...and had no structure on what to do with any of the lands we had. I'm not certain with diplomatic efforts, since Glaumring is Glaumring and keeps most of it to himself until the very last moment, but Asylon kept sitting on the fence. Its Ambassador was a priest of SA and it seemed like we were making dealings there, but then we were also allied to most of the 'Moot realms, yet we weren't part of the 'Moot ourselves. Then the war broke out, and we kept snaking around until we were left scrambling around. :S
Protip: If you've already got a suffering duchy, don't expand and get more !@#$ty territory.
Feylonis thats bull!@#$. I share all the news and diplomacy I just dont always share it with you. On the other hand I gice constant updates to the realm about current affairs. Lets not get into an over excited feeding frenzy about the fact im bleeding a bit. I messed up the last couple of weeks. Its not like it doesnt happen to everyone, even Allison has had her bad days. Lessons learned etc the fact is I will listen and learn and recover from this. The fact is Asylon is going to survive this.
The other thing is no one here mentions , my Astrum diplomat, my diplomat in Corsanctum, my constant work with the moot etc etc
All people remember is me pissing off Haktoo by asking for ' our/ my ' land back and Garrettt lying to us.
They only remember the betrayal of Kabrinskia and not months , years of support and plotting.
Its a feeding frenzy, i got some blood on me. So what. I have lots of support from my friends. The rest of you who do not like me honestly you have never ever tried. If you look at my contacts with Astrum for years I have always initiated contact always me sending letters. Have I ever gotten a remotely roleplayed letter no. Morek the same, Corsanctum etc, It is always Glaumring initiating contact all the way to Thulsoma. If anything this is not a failure if Asylon or Glaumring but of Dwilights cliques.
Quote from: Glaumring on May 31, 2012, 09:48:30 PM
Asylon is no longer pursuing a policy of takeover in Mech Alb. This whole thing has gone insane and I can hardly believe the attitude towards Asylon in Dwilight, you guys !@#$ing hate me, have since Thulsoma for some reason there has been a massive !@#$ing hate for Glaumring IG and Oog since forever, Geronus has disliked me, Indirik, garrett, Haktoo, Libero, most of Morek, Corsanctum now, and all of Kabrinskia... I am not sure why but its probably because I have individual ideas and a strong personality. I really dont understand it all. Hell I dont think even Vellos or Chenier like me. I get it, everyone was waiting for this mOment for ages... No matter what diplomacy or things Asylon tries its always me versus SA and the rest of Dwilight... And I have no idea why, I try to have fun, make it fun and run an interesting realm. Even my ideas like bloodmoon are derided. When you guys destroy me for whatever reason... At least I'll know I fought hard against the whole world.
Well, lots of other people have replied already and said many of the things I would say to this. OOC I have absolutely nothing against you at all and I think Glaumring makes a unique and very colorful sort of larger than life character on Dwilight. IC of course, Lysander, like everyone else, thinks Glaumring is bat!@#$ crazy.
It will be very interesting to see what happens now. So many things are still happening or are about to happen that the end is far from clear.
Im not going to be on these forums from now on. I'll be in game.
I give up. If you want to think that everyone hates you because you're awesome, strong, fun, unique, creative, etc., then go ahead. It's completely bogus, but, hey, whatever helps you get through the day.
Quote from: Indirik on June 01, 2012, 03:24:13 AM
I give up. If you want to think that everyone hates you because you're awesome, strong, fun, unique, creative, etc., then go ahead. It's completely bogus, but, hey, whatever helps you get through the day.
That's exactly why people hate Brom though...(sorry, couldn't help it)
Quote from: Indirik on June 01, 2012, 03:24:13 AM
I give up. If you want to think that everyone hates you because you're awesome, strong, fun, unique, creative, etc., then go ahead. It's completely bogus, but, hey, whatever helps you get through the day.
No no dont take me wrong im just taking a break from forum banter. Im ok happy... Manic
For the record, I think Glaumring is bat-!@#$ crazy... but a incredibly awesome character. :)
Kabrinskia: Clobbers your army, then bribes offers your nobles a place in their regions.
Quote from: Uzamaki on June 01, 2012, 04:41:06 AM
Kabrinskia: Clobbers your army, then bribes offers your nobles a place in their regions.
Terran: Offers outrageous peace demands, then gets clobbered by an army which should have lost.
I'm amazed by Kabrinskia's inability to achieve anything worthwhile, considering their capital is right next door. All battles seem to have occured in Kabrinskia's land...
Quote from: Chénier on June 01, 2012, 04:45:39 AM
I'm amazed by Kabrinskia's inability to achieve anything worthwhile, considering their capital is right next door. All battles seem to have occured in Kabrinskia's land...
We have been under orders not to enter Terran lands...
Quote from: Dante Silverfire on June 01, 2012, 04:42:32 AM
Terran: Offers outrageous peace demands, then gets clobbered by an army which should have lost.
Yeah. Tough break for us, good one for you guys. Credit to your Cavalry commanders. I think we suffered from the same thing Asylon did: Archer-centralized army due to years of fighting monsters. That and landing a few nobles in a few turns early didn't help.
At least we can get defeated on your lands now instead of wait for the Zuma to leave in a Mexican stand-off between our two realms.
Quote from: Uzamaki on June 01, 2012, 04:49:40 AM
Yeah. Tough break for us, good one for you guys. Credit to your Cavalry commanders. I think we suffered from the same thing Asylon did: Archer-centralized army due to years of fighting monsters. That and landing a few nobles in a few turns early didn't help.
At least we can get defeated on your lands now instead of wait for the Zuma to leave in a Mexican stand-off between our two realms.
Credit to our Ordermarshal you mean. it was his line settings that carried the day
Quote from: Uzamaki on June 01, 2012, 04:41:06 AM
Paul Marlboro: Clobbers your army, then bribes offers your nineteen year-old dames a place in their regions.
Fixed.
Quote from: Marlboro on June 01, 2012, 05:03:00 AM
Fixed.
William and Katayanna did it too. Not just the legendary Paul Marlboro! :o
Quote from: Uzamaki on June 01, 2012, 05:11:19 AM
William and Katayanna did it too. Not just the legendary Paul Marlboro! :o
I think they overestimated his honorable intentions before they jumped on that bandwagon, lol
Quote from: Glaumring on June 01, 2012, 01:47:56 AM
Feylonis thats bull!@#$. I share all the news and diplomacy I just dont always share it with you. On the other hand I gice constant updates to the realm about current affairs. Lets not get into an over excited feeding frenzy about the fact im bleeding a bit. I messed up the last couple of weeks. Its not like it doesnt happen to everyone, even Allison has had her bad days. Lessons learned etc the fact is I will listen and learn and recover from this. The fact is Asylon is going to survive this.
The other thing is no one here mentions , my Astrum diplomat, my diplomat in Corsanctum, my constant work with the moot etc etc
All people remember is me pissing off Haktoo by asking for ' our/ my ' land back and Garrettt lying to us.
They only remember the betrayal of Kabrinskia and not months , years of support and plotting.
Its a feeding frenzy, i got some blood on me. So what. I have lots of support from my friends. The rest of you who do not like me honestly you have never ever tried. If you look at my contacts with Astrum for years I have always initiated contact always me sending letters. Have I ever gotten a remotely roleplayed letter no. Morek the same, Corsanctum etc, It is always Glaumring initiating contact all the way to Thulsoma. If anything this is not a failure if Asylon or Glaumring but of Dwilights cliques.
I'm aware that you don't share it with me; what befuddles is why you wouldn't, considering Halleria is in charge of the region immediately protecting the capital. I kind of need to know which way the winds of war are blowing.
I've been sending the better part of Uppervia's tax gold to the Itau lords hoping that they'd at least use it to set up proper militia and to build up the economy, but nope. Wallershire went the way that Walefshire did (easy taking of a region that is supposed to be a bulky defensive feature). I could have used that tax gold instead to buff up Uppervia some more, but since I wasn't aware just how close we were to a war, I didn't.
I was laughing when I first read the offer Vellos made to Allyson. I mean sure, it was specifically meant to be over-the-top, but still.
If your insurance agent suddenly breaks out in laughter while he's on the phone with the insurance company and surfing the web simultaneously, he might also be reading up on his BM ;)
I find it hilarious that I joined Terran specifically to get away from the wars in the East, namely all my friends in Summerdale. Suddenly, war! And here I thought I'd have time to build up troops, learn the ropes, become active in local politics... :| Most I've managed to do is become vice-marshal of the army that just got cavalry-curbstomped, a senator, and take an arrow to the <somewhere> while having my entire unit utterly annihilated by advancing cavalry.
All in all, this is not going as planned. :P
Astrum just became big again thanks to the demise of Summerdale. With our 7-10 additional nobles, we will be able to bring more armies to the south ;)
I'm loving the fact that I'm going to be seeing my friends traipsing around in Astrom's colors. I already had one friend from Sweden join Astrom because his last name is Astrom, hence hilarity. This, though, is sudden and in massive numbers. :P
Should Terran and Astrom ever war with one another, I will greatly enjoy the honorable battles. I for one know some of the Sumerdalian Bay12ers are damn good RPers, having GM'd many forum games on Bay12 before making my own RP website.
I've no bloody idea what's going on, but this is going to be fun!
Quote from: Ehndras on June 01, 2012, 09:14:23 AM
I'm loving the fact that I'm going to be seeing my friends traipsing around in Astrom's colors. I already had one friend from Sweden join Astrom because his last name is Astrom, hence hilarity. This, though, is sudden and in massive numbers. :P
Should Terran and Astrom ever war with one another, I will greatly enjoy the honorable battles. I for one know some of the Sumerdalian Bay12ers are damn good RPers, having GM'd many forum games on Bay12 before making my own RP website.
I've no bloody idea what's going on, but this is going to be fun!
Always good to have good RPers. Too bad I don't RP with my Astrum character. I don't know how many more regions will join Astrum but our border is becoming somewhat ridiculous.
Astrom seems pretty blobish. You know, its pretty funny that I flipped a coin to decide whether I would join Astrom or Terran; I really liked what I saw of both.
Quote from: Zakilevo on June 01, 2012, 09:10:27 AM
Astrum just became big again thanks to the demise of Summerdale. With our 7-10 additional nobles, we will be able to bring more armies to the south ;)
Yes, please do that. Get those troublesome nobles out of the North-East.
Quote from: Ehndras on June 01, 2012, 08:47:41 AM
I find it hilarious that I joined Terran specifically to get away from the wars in the East, namely all my friends in Summerdale. Suddenly, war! And here I thought I'd have time to build up troops, learn the ropes, become active in local politics... :| Most I've managed to do is become vice-marshal of the army that just got cavalry-curbstomped, a senator, and take an arrow to the <somewhere> while having my entire unit utterly annihilated by advancing cavalry.
All in all, this is not going as planned. :P
If peace is what you want, D'Hara you should have joined. ;)
Of course, that doesn't mean we'll never go to war. It isn't, however, our first reaction whenever !@#$ happens, and we've done pretty good at avoiding it so far.
Halleria Feylonis, I have asking the realm
to prepare for war for a long long time. If you cannot figure out what it means when someone asks that regions gather militia inkey points, recruit large units over and over and over and over means then im sorry but everyone had fair and clear warning. I being one of the very few players in Asylon that actually even talks. If need be I can post my entire conversation log for all to see and you can do the same, I dare say you speak more on the forums than you do in game. Maybe that is where you should have been more proactive. I know its easy to blame me for everything now, but to say I have been unclear is just not true.
Quote from: Feylonis on June 01, 2012, 08:32:16 AMWallershire went the way that Walefshire did (easy taking of a region that is supposed to be a bulky defensive feature).
Wallershire isn't taken yet. (OK, maybe it's a foregone conclusion. But anything can happen.)
Also, Walefishire was the site of the massive battle that really broke Cearwyn. Astrum, Corsanctum, and Morek all joined together to sack the townsland when it was defended by almost the entire Caerwynian army. It was a huge battle. Caerwyn just didn't have the chops to hold us back.
Oh no! Iashurlur is going to break Asylon with their HUGE 5K mobile CS army!
Quote from: Uzamaki on June 01, 2012, 05:34:07 PM
Oh no! Iashurlur is going to break Asylon with their HUGE 5K mobile CS army!
5k by itself? not so scary. 5k forcing you into a two front war by attacking your flank? much scarier.
3 versus Asylon.
Walefshire fell because most of Caerwyn was under the impression that the militia there was good, trained militia. It wasn't, heh.
Also, in between the random 'war is coming' messages that have been flitting around Asylon, there were also masses of 'omg food' messages, and messages regarding the dismal state of Itau. It's not easy to tell where focus should be shifted first - food that everyone needs, a duchy that is certainly going to be a frontline, or a war which we were definitely confused about (war, peace, war again).
Halleria you are not on the military council. I can assure you they knew that the peace was not to last. Lets stop playing the irresponsible king card.
Quote from: Glaumring on June 01, 2012, 06:04:03 PM
Halleria you are not on the military council. I can assure you they knew that the peace was not to last. Lets stop playing the irresponsible king card.
Untrue, we thought you were declaring a viable ceasefire...
Quote from: Gustav Kuriga on June 01, 2012, 06:10:17 PM
Untrue, we thought you were declaring a viable ceasefire...
Yeah, but you knew you were going to go after Asylon at some point. You just didn't expect war to be this quick and to be declared by them.
Exactly it was Kabrinskia and Astrums eventual plan to wipe out Terran and then attack Asylon and take the Itau duchy. We knew this for a long time and figured that if we lost Terran no one would be near enough to help us since we were the odd man out in the Astroist camp. We decided this was our chance to bloody some noses and fight a long side our only allies. The thing that annoyed Kabrinskia Astrum was that I wasnt following their plot and Asylon would never betray our friendship to Terran ever no matter the cost or state of the war. If Terran falls we will with it. If we succeed we will stand as an eternal bulwark in the midlands.
Quote from: Glaumring on June 01, 2012, 06:34:18 PM
Exactly it was Kabrinskia and Astrums eventual plan to wipe out Terran and then attack Asylon and take the Itau duchy. We knew this for a long time and figured that if we lost Terran no one would be near enough to help us since we were the odd man out in the Astroist camp. We decided this was our chance to bloody some noses and fight a long side our only allies. The thing that annoyed Kabrinskia Astrum was that I wasnt following their plot and Asylon would never betray our friendship to Terran ever no matter the cost or state of the war. If Terran falls we will with it. If we succeed we will stand as an eternal bulwark in the midlands.
Your paranoia's getting the best of you. Actually, we talked of becoming a mercenary realm. But go ahead, think what you like. It's not like I'm in the innermost council or anything.
I can't decide if you are explaining all this IC or OOC...
Quote from: Glaumring on June 01, 2012, 06:34:18 PM
Exactly it was Kabrinskia and Astrums eventual plan to wipe out Terran and then attack Asylon and take the Itau duchy.
That *may* have been Kabrinskia's plan. But Astrum had no such plans.
OOC I did set up the borders of Kabrinskia in such a way that there were no written treaties specifying their borders. This was completely intentional as a player, but not as a character. It allowed for plenty of border disagreements and skirmishes for the new realm. I didn't want to lock the new realm into a situation where they could not expand without violating border treaties. What Kabrinskia chose to do with that was completely up to them. Astrum and Kabrinskia did not work together to plan any kind of war or conquest in any way.
QuoteWe knew this for a long time and figured that if we lost Terran no one would be near enough to help us since we were the odd man out in the Astroist camp.
Allison would have been more than happy to help you fight against Terran.
QuoteThe thing that annoyed Kabrinskia Astrum was that I wasnt following their plot and Asylon would never betray our friendship to Terran ever no matter the cost or state of the war.
No.... what annoyed Astrum was the Glaumring character's seeming insanity and unreliability. No one wants a neighbor that is wildly unpredictable, and likely to snap at any moment.
Well, plus the claims about Asyon being strong-armed into giving up claims on Mech Alb. Completely untrue.
Quote from: Indirik on June 01, 2012, 06:45:45 PM
Well, plus the claims about Asyon being strong-armed into giving up claims on Mech Alb. Completely untrue.
I don't understand this one at all. From our end Mech Alb and Elets were always agreed to Asylon.
Can we please leave IC conflict IG and resolve them there? Most posts on the last few pages do not belong on this !!OOC!! subforum.
You were either lied to, or your rulers never told you, or you missed it, etc.
The original treaty Brance proposed to Caerwyn allowed Caerwyn to keep Mech Alb and Elets. After Caerwyn refused and joined Asylon, that agreement was obviously nullified, as Caerwyn point blank refused to even consider it. Brance then negotiated with the Asylon ambassador at the time ( I don't remember his name) and set the western border of Kabrinskia as the line of regions of Dunnbrook - Mech Calen - Mech Alb. Those three regions and everything to the east was Kabrinskia. Everything to the west was unclaimed as far as Astrum was concerned. i.e. we made no claim on it in Kabrinskia's name. This was agreed to by the Asylon Ambassador and the ruler at the time, Zhoesya. The region of Elets was west of the line, and thus unclaimed as far as Astrum was concerned.
At some point after the founding of Kabrinskia, Glaumring claimed on the ruler's channel that Asylon was going to expand east into Mech Alb. I informed Glaumring, also on the ruler's channel, that Asylon had already agreed that Mech Alb was part of Kabrinskia. Glaumring responded something like "OK, we will abide by that agreement". And that was, so far as I knew, the end of the matter. There was never any attempt by Asylon to dispute that, nor was there any strong-arming or intimidation. It was a very polite and short discussion: "We're taking Mech Alb." "But you already agreed that that's part of Kabrinskia." "Oh, OK."
Some time later, Allison took offense at something Glaumring said, and claimed Elets in retaliation. Asylon's claim to Elets was never disputed by Astrum. It is a private border squabble between Kabrinskia and Asylon.
The fact that Asylon declared war and moved deliberately in Mech Alb first was like spitting in Astrum's eye.
Quote from: Foundation on June 01, 2012, 07:03:02 PM
Can we please leave IC conflict IG and resolve them there? Most posts on the last few pages do not belong on this !!OOC!! subforum.
A lot of what they've been doing is attempting to clear up what's IC disinformation and confusion, and what's OOC. I think that's valuable.
That is indeed the case. Personally, I know that knowing OOC what's happened prevents a lot of OOC anger and hard feelings. I have no problem with a ruler controlling the flow of information IC, and using propaganda on his own realm to control their attitudes. It's one of the perks of being a ruler. But here on the forums in OOC mode, seeing that brought here as established fact causes problems.
Actually, I (halleria), while being the High Magistrate of Asylon, insulted Allison, and Allison, in retaliation, declared that Asylon had thereby rescinded its claims to Mech Alb, not Elets. That's where the disconnect stems from.
In the letter that Allison sent, there was also something alone the lines of "and if Asylon tries to take Mech Alb, we will bring down the might of the SA with us." That's where the 'strong-armed' part comes from.
Yes, she did include Mech Alb in it. I am fairly certain she included Elets as well. That was when I stepped in an corrected them both. :) Glaumring still freely agreed to Mech Alb.
I don't believe Elets was mentioned at all.
Let me see if I can c/p the message. That was a long while back, but I'm also fairly sure only Mech Alb was mentioned.
Gotta love all that fuzzy recollection caused by the passage of time. :D
Quote from: Glaumring on June 01, 2012, 06:34:18 PM
Exactly it was Kabrinskia and Astrums eventual plan to wipe out Terran and then attack Asylon and take the Itau duchy. We knew this for a long time and figured that if we lost Terran no one would be near enough to help us since we were the odd man out in the Astroist camp. We decided this was our chance to bloody some noses and fight a long side our only allies. The thing that annoyed Kabrinskia Astrum was that I wasnt following their plot and Asylon would never betray our friendship to Terran ever no matter the cost or state of the war. If Terran falls we will with it. If we succeed we will stand as an eternal bulwark in the midlands.
This is... Wrong. About Astrum anyway. We've never had any designs on Asylon. Of course now that you've provoked us, that's may no longer be the case.
It was just Mech Alb. We got Elets by asking Asylon if they minded if Kabrinskia took it while it was rogue. They said go ahead and so we did and no one has ever said anything about it til now
Stop with the insanity unpredictable !@#$ its been the last 2 weeks ive been my worse overall.
Thing is there has never been a moment in the Astrum Kabrinskia relationship that made us feel your realms were seperate in any way. Thats why we moved to take Mech Alb. We want the food and the strategic region. If no one has noticed there are food shortages everywhere. In preparation we decided its best to fight now while ahead than wait until we are starving
Plus any interaction with Astrum is usually one sided with long delays in communication. Raising levels of tension and mistrust.
The war that happened here is the result of miscommunication, mistrust. Asylon had been threatebed numerous times about several things like us harbouring 5000 evil Caerwynians when really it was only 3 or 4. About us taking land after the Astrum / Caerwyn war and then because Asylon had VE temples. Basically you guys wanted a war and when it came blamed me for all if it, propaganda, misinformation , insanity etc etc . Even Kabrinskia tried threatening us with thes Zuma. Im sorry but if im paranoid... I had plenty of reason and where I am from we call it caution.
Is it just me or is this thread becoming more of a place to submit your whines and complaints?
Tom said it himself he is keeping close eye on the food and he will adjust them as he gets results. This food shortage thing is temporary. Just think of it as a big drought that used to ruin people's lives during the middle age.
Astrum wasn't going to join this war but Asylon was just asking for us to join in so we joined. I think most of people in Astrum now think Glaumring isn't sane since he changes his words so often.
I hope D'Hara and Morek join this war as well. That will make things even more interesting.
Aye and perhaps it is not too late to call Aurvandiil also?
Quote from: Zakilevo on June 01, 2012, 08:45:35 PM
Is it just me or is this thread becoming more of a place to submit your whines and complaints?
Tom said it himself he is keeping close eye on the food and he will adjust them as he gets results. This food shortage thing is temporary. Just think of it as a big drought that used to ruin people's lives during the middle age.
Astrum wasn't going to join this war but Asylon was just asking for us to join in so we joined. I think most of people in Astrum now think Glaumring isn't sane since he changes his words so often.
I hope D'Hara and Morek join this war as well. That will make things even more interesting.
Lol wut?
He was stating facts not whining. There is a food shortage so we went and initiated a TO in a food producing region.
As far as flip flopping, we had a cease fire when half of the Netherworld was traveling to Golden Farrow and when it was apparent that we weren't at risk we ended it. Is it really that hard for your characters to put 2 and 2 together?
See what I mean? I cannot say anything without some bull!@#$ attack... Yeah now im whining about food.
I have to say this... I may be crazy but at least im not a moron.
If Hireshmont wasn't sitting in Demyansk, seriously wounded, he'd be feeling rather embarrassed right now. Offering punitive terms right before getting your arse handed to you isn't really good form.
Quote from: Vellos on June 01, 2012, 11:52:56 PM
If Hireshmont wasn't sitting in Demyansk, seriously wounded, he'd be feeling rather embarrassed right now. Offering punitive terms right before getting your arse handed to you isn't really good form.
hahaha. I sent a letter to all in the region essentially stating this. It included an apology saying it'd be hard to get back to you about your terms, as you had just been wounded when your entire army was routed, with minimal casualties on our part. Thus communication may be difficult.
Quote from: Vellos on June 01, 2012, 11:52:56 PM
If Hireshmont wasn't sitting in Demyansk, seriously wounded, he'd be feeling rather embarrassed right now. Offering punitive terms right before getting your arse handed to you isn't really good form.
Hey... the Senate didn't
want to give terms, its just that freaking Allison kept whining about not getting any!
But yeah, pretty embarrassing. However, a testament to the different nature between the traditions of the SA North(east) and the Southwest. These Astrocracies from the Northeast have these big military traditions and experience. In the Southwest, we don't fight wars. We're diplomatic, we like to trade, we like to make friends and create big alliances and cooperative efforts. We don't fight and have never really fought. Thus we're sucky at running armies and fighting wars.
It's an interesting cultural difference, really. It sucks. But interesting nonetheless.
I tried to get Asylon to help me carve up Terran. Even offering to let them have Terrans western Duchy and I just wanted Itau. Or Just me vs Terran so I could take their western Duchy. Asylon said they were staying out of the war and that I should do whatever I wanted and then they joined the Terrans when the war started.
Terran has long been an ally and friend to Asylon. Kabrinskia and Allison have a long history of backstabbing and scheming. It's not supposed to be a big surprise that we sided with Terran :S
Don't kid yourself, Asylon's only allegiance is to Asylon. I'd bet you my titles that Glaumring would drop Terran like a brick to save his own hide. ;)
Thats not true at all. Lets not forgot I was living in Terran in my youth. Its a second home to me.
Asylon is a collection of duchies that have been lumped together. No lie. Remember that Via (and to an extent, Itau) came from Caerwyn, who switched allegience when Caerwyn fell. Echiur was the original duchy of Asylon that Glaumring took over when he came from Thulsoma. Who knows what could happen!
Quote from: Perth on June 02, 2012, 08:13:27 AM
Hey... the Senate didn't want to give terms, its just that freaking Allison kept whining about not getting any!
But yeah, pretty embarrassing. However, a testament to the different nature between the traditions of the SA North(east) and the Southwest. These Astrocracies from the Northeast have these big military traditions and experience. In the Southwest, we don't fight wars. We're diplomatic, we like to trade, we like to make friends and create big alliances and cooperative efforts. We don't fight and have never really fought. Thus we're sucky at running armies and fighting wars.
It's an interesting cultural difference, really. It sucks. But interesting nonetheless.
Yup. I saw only a couple of people actually pushing for that treaty. Most of the others want to war with Asylon(Shino included).
Quote from: Feylonis on June 02, 2012, 02:05:51 PM
Asylon is a collection of duchies that have been lumped together. No lie. Remember that Via (and to an extent, Itau) came from Caerwyn, who switched allegience when Caerwyn fell. Echiur was the original duchy of Asylon that Glaumring took over when he came from Thulsoma. Who knows what could happen!
The only person in Asylon who is lumped in with the rest of us is you. We are a realm that has grown from Echuir like mist realms into a vast kingdom. You do a lot of talking crap on the forums but very very little in game. You really like to think everything is chaos in Asylon. You are an opportunist, you wait for moments like this to start working. Asylon is strong, unified, coherent and moving forward. Its taken us a bit to get focused this many of our first war. Fates change. This was is not a clumsy accident it has been worked on planned and prepared for. We are united. Now Feylonis instead of insinuating stuff on the forum go recruit a unit and get in line with the rest of us.
Quote from: Glaumring on June 02, 2012, 06:08:39 PM
Now Feylonis instead of insinuating stuff on the forum go recruit a unit and get in line with the rest of us.
Or come join Kabrinskia. we will welcome you.
Quote from: katayanna on June 02, 2012, 06:14:37 PM
Or come join Kabrinskia. we will welcome you.
Indeed, the welcome is warm. Join us. 8)
They will also brainwash you with their religion. But all is fair in love and war right?
Yeah because my ooc bitching on a forum makes her character Ig so hate me right? You guys bitch about me and do the same !@#$... Probably someone ig right now exploiting her disatisfaction.
Quote from: Uzamaki on June 02, 2012, 06:22:22 PM
They will also brainwash you with their religion. But all is fair in love and war right?
We will not.... But we do not tolerate any other religion either.
So it's ok for you to use the forum to give her IG instructions (go recrruit and join us on the front line) but not for them to invite her to defect (come join our side)?
Very interesting moral outlook you have there.
Everyone should defect!!! It's a lot of fun, even Brom did it, and he's a great role model for honorable, just, and noteworthy actions.
Kabrinskia also has the best cookies, which we have mainly hidden in Mech Alb. That's the true reason Asylon attacked us anyway.
P.S. The ones in Demanysk were poisoned, that's why Terran lost that battle.
Quote from: Dante Silverfire on June 02, 2012, 06:38:35 PM
Everyone should defect!!! It's a lot of fun, even Brom did it, and he's a great role model for honorable, just, and noteworthy actions.
Kabrinskia also has the best cookies, which we have mainly hidden in Mech Alb. That's the true reason Asylon attacked us anyway.
P.S. The ones in Demanysk were poisoned, that's why Terran lost that battle.
What blasphemy is this!? My army was in Mech Alb assisting you and you didn't share the cookies? This is grounds for war, I tell you. WAR!!!1!!1
Quote from: Ravier on June 02, 2012, 06:55:20 PM
What blasphemy is this!? My army was in Mech Alb assisting you and you didn't share the cookies? This is grounds for war, I tell you. WAR!!!1!!1
But, but, Brance got some...Did he not share?
Quote from: Glaumring on June 02, 2012, 06:08:39 PM
The only person in Asylon who is lumped in with the rest of us is you. We are a realm that has grown from Echuir like mist realms into a vast kingdom. You do a lot of talking crap on the forums but very very little in game. You really like to think everything is chaos in Asylon. You are an opportunist, you wait for moments like this to start working. Asylon is strong, unified, coherent and moving forward. Its taken us a bit to get focused this many of our first war. Fates change. This was is not a clumsy accident it has been worked on planned and prepared for. We are united. Now Feylonis instead of insinuating stuff on the forum go recruit a unit and get in line with the rest of us.
Whoa, venom. Okay, I'll play.
1) I helped orchestrate the switch of Via to Asylon. Asylon doubled in size and power only when it acquired Via and, later on, Itau.
2) I do very little in-game? You do realize that most of the tax gold of Uppervia, when I'm not using it to buff up the defenses of the region, goes to the Itau lords, to help out their own regions? You do realize that I've been travelling up and down from Wallershire to Via to badmouth Astrum and Kabrinskia in our regions? Most of them were deeply devoted to Astrum and Kabrinskia; I've toned this down to indifferent.
3) Itau duchy would have been in a worse state if it hadn't been for us courtiers. In fact, even Echiur and Koshtlom would be in disrepair if we haven't been fixing things up. No, I can't recruit large troops because courtier work doesn't give much honour/prestige. Instead, most of my tax gold goes to other people who
do have honour/prestige and who
can recruit large troops.
4) Of course I'm opportunistic. I try to see a long-term goal and work towards it using the best resources available to me. Peace time? Work on regions, improve production, store gold and food. Raise up defenses. Work on securing alliances, both bi- and multilateral: the former for realms farther away, the latter for neighbors. War time? Work on regions, ensure peasant feelings are in order, release gold and keep food in cities. Recheck alliances.
Listen, im not going to fight about this. We both blow gaskets, !@#$ happens. Im not going to fight like I hate you. I dont. Im willing to make changes and do this right. Asylon will prevail, every realm goes through this, its good we can duke it out now instead of later. Because now we are focused instead of whens its too late. Im not fighting with you anymore you are my team.
Quote from: Glaumring on June 02, 2012, 07:34:38 PM
Listen, im not going to fight about this. We both blow gaskets, !@#$ happens. Im not going to fight like I hate you. I dont. Im willing to make changes and do this right. Asylon will prevail, every realm goes through this, its good we can duke it out now instead of later. Because now we are focused instead of whens its too late. Im not fighting with you anymore you are my team.
Crush Allison!
Crush Allison!
Crush Allison!
And Katayanna.
They cant crush Asylon alone. Asylon by itself will crush them all.
Quote from: Chénier on June 02, 2012, 07:40:31 PM
Crush Allison!
Crush Allison!
Crush Allison!
And Katayanna.
oops...
Why do you not do it yourself....
Quote from: Chénier on June 02, 2012, 07:40:31 PM
Crush Allison!
Crush Allison!
Crush Allison!
And Katayanna.
I am honored to be grouped with such a Esteemed Friend... Thank you
Quote from: katayanna on June 02, 2012, 07:43:40 PM
oops...
Why do you not do it yourself....
That ain't how I roll. Others have always been more than willing to get their hands dirty for mutually beneficial causes.
You should come back to D'Hara! We could have a big reunion where you can marry the Dragon King! He won't admit it, but I'm sure that Cenarious has a thing for you. ;D
Quote from: Chénier on June 02, 2012, 07:47:22 PM
That ain't how I roll. Others have always been more than willing to get their hands dirty for mutually beneficial causes.
You should come back to D'Hara! We could have a big reunion where you can marry the Dragon King! He won't admit it, but I'm sure that Cenarious has a thing for you. ;D
I plan on returning to D`Hara eventually but marrying the Dragon King is not what I plan to do... lol
Quote from: katayanna on June 02, 2012, 07:49:24 PM
I plan on returning to D`Hara eventually but marrying the Dragon King is not what I plan to do... lol
Aw, you'd be so cute together. I had the cake all thought out!
Quote from: Dante Silverfire on June 02, 2012, 06:38:35 PM
P.S. The ones in Demanysk were poisoned, that's why Terran lost that battle.
!@#$... the oatmeal raisin ones!?
Moderator Moment: Keep it clean, people. This game is rated PG13. (At least the public parts...)
Aww.
Why are people talking about cakes and oatmeal?
They ran out of steam complaining about other things. :P
Quote from: Foundation on June 03, 2012, 07:58:35 PM
They ran out of steam complaining about other things. :P
Time to lock the thread?
Meh, it will get back on track as soon as something interesting happens in the war.
Some people might still find value in continuing this discussion, Rob'll lock it when it's that time again. :)
Back on topic: Allison just slipped through enemy lines! Back in Zuma land.
Quote from: dustole on June 03, 2012, 08:47:23 PM
Back on topic: Allison just slipped through enemy lines! Back in Zuma land.
Glad to see you are feeling better.. LOL
You evil little... you were supposed to tell me!
Quote from: Gustav Kuriga on June 03, 2012, 09:31:43 PM
You evil little... you were supposed to tell me!
LOL she needed private time with the Zuma.... lol
what is Asylon upto now. massing their forces in Itaufield and not responding to the raiding of Kybcyell.
Are they turtling up for defensive war?
Quote from: katayanna on June 03, 2012, 10:35:17 PM
LOL she needed private time with the Zuma.... lol
Brom's companionship is that bad.
Quote from: dustole on June 03, 2012, 08:47:23 PM
Back on topic: Allison just slipped through enemy lines! Back in Zuma land.
A bug saved you. Erasmus tried to arrest in a dominant-Triunist region, but got an error.
Meh.
I dont think it was a bug. I was already travelling so he couldnt arrest me since I wasnt in mistight anymore. I waited til I was out of terran before posting here.
Quote from: dustole on June 05, 2012, 02:10:32 AM
I dont think it was a bug. I was already travelling so he couldnt arrest me since I wasnt in mistight anymore. I waited til I was out of terran before posting here.
You are still in the region until you have traveled half of the way.
Priest travel is different. You are still "in the region" even when you are 1 hour from your destination. I dont think you can arrest a priest who is traveling...
Hmm, will a dev please confirm whether or not this is true so there is less confusion and/or arguements about it?
Everyone needs to quit whining about priest travel IMO
No, it was an error, complete with full error message. You were captured, but the game glitched.
Pwomp pwomp.
maybe she moved out at the exact time as you started moving
Or maybe it was a bug?
Definitely looked like a bug to me.
Even came with the script saying she was successfully captured.
Quote from: Perth on June 05, 2012, 11:59:42 PM
Definitely looked like a bug to me.
Even came with the script saying she was successfully captured.
Yup. It was definitely a bug. It was the normal arrest message, then an error script below it.
I was over 16 hours of travel away from Mistight before you even tried to arrest me. That is why I waited to say I was in Terran lands until after I was already travelling. By the time the Lord/Lady of Mistight even messaged me I was only 1 hour out from Overroot and had started to build up more hours in my time pool.
Priests don't enter a new region when they are 1/2 way there. They are simply shown as being in the region they travelled from until they get enough hours to arrive and even then you gotta wait until turn change.
I hope that helps for whomever is filling out the bug report. I will log into the bug tracker and try to find the report as well.
Quote from: dustole on June 06, 2012, 01:03:11 AM
I was over 16 hours of travel away from Mistight before you even tried to arrest me. That is why I waited to say I was in Terran lands until after I was already travelling. By the time the Lord/Lady of Mistight even messaged me I was only 1 hour out from Overroot and had started to build up more hours in my time pool.
Priests don't enter a new region when they are 1/2 way there. They are simply shown as being in the region they travelled from until they get enough hours to arrive and even then you gotta wait until turn change.
I hope that helps for whomever is filling out the bug report. I will log into the bug tracker and try to find the report as well.
I don't know if he filed it.
But how do you even know when he tried to arrest you?
I was in mistight for only a few hours while I gained hours in my time pool. Once I hit 16 hours I travelled to Overroot and even though I was travelling I was still shown as being in Mistight. The reason I believe that it happened after I set my travel is because no one made mention of noticing me. Further no one from Terran even said anything until I posted on the Forums that I had just dashed through Terran.
I was in Mistight for at least a day and a half but only a few hours of that time was I actually /in/ Mistight and not travelling. That leads me to believe that the noble who tried to arrest me did so while I was travelling.
Quote from: dustole on June 06, 2012, 01:58:38 AM
I was in mistight for only a few hours while I gained hours in my time pool. Once I hit 16 hours I travelled to Overroot and even though I was travelling I was still shown as being in Mistight. The reason I believe that it happened after I set my travel is because no one made mention of noticing me. Further no one from Terran even said anything until I posted on the Forums that I had just dashed through Terran.
I was in Mistight for at least a day and a half but only a few hours of that time was I actually /in/ Mistight and not travelling. That leads me to believe that the noble who tried to arrest me did so while I was travelling.
Okay...?
He still apparently successfully captured you. It was just a error that kept you from
actually being captured.
I'm not saying you should be drug back and we should have a re-do or anything like that. You got through, congrats.
Im just saying that I believe the error has to do with priestly travel. Its poor form to complain about a bug and not make a bug report
A bug report was made.
Also, Priest travel is somewhat like Adventurer travel then, and you're still liable to be arrested until you actually physically arrive in the other nation. I IC rationalize it as being 'near the border, but not quite at your destination', hence why you can still be apprehended.
Alright, Allison made a quick dash, someone tried to arrest her, it failed due to a bug, and a bug report was made. We get it. Next topic please?
New topic:
Taking bets... does the war escalate further, or does one side or the other chicken out and go for peace?
Oh and by "this war" I mean Terran v. Kabrinskia, not Asylon v. Kabrinskia, Astrum, Iashalur, Corsanctum.
I would think that the war would keep going. Kabrinskia has been holding their own, and now that allies are entering the war against Asylon, we will be able to divert our attention down to Terran. Eventually.
Quote from: Gustav Kuriga on June 07, 2012, 01:21:00 AM
I would think that the war would keep going. Kabrinskia has been holding their own, and now that allies are entering the war against Asylon, we will be able to divert our attention down to Terran. Eventually.
A week or two I would have said something like "Well, we'll hand you your arses when you do." Ahem. That was then.
We still have a solid economic advantage and should be able to field as big or bigger a mobile army, but we just can't seem to really get our act together...
My prediction: Asylon chickens out and withdraws from the conflict, possibly (but unlikely) joining Kabrinskia's side. Kabrinskia then proceeds to fight a 1v3 war against the Moot, somewhat holding their own, but we may meet problems as well.
In the end, Terran gets what they want(although not demands like the last ones), and everyone goes home happy.
Quote from: Dante Silverfire on June 07, 2012, 01:56:35 AM
My prediction: Asylon chickens out and withdraws from the conflict, possibly (but unlikely) joining Kabrinskia's side. Kabrinskia then proceeds to fight a 1v3 war against the Moot, somewhat holding their own, but we may meet problems as well.
In the end, Terran gets what they want(although not demands like the last ones), and everyone goes home happy.
Really
Quote from: Marlboro on June 07, 2012, 01:59:23 AM
Really
?
Really. Don't underestimate what two insane people working together can do though.
I think its,more likely that Terran and Kabrinskia make peace and then Kabrinskia takes land from Asylon.
I predict Glaumring's paranoia finally makes him completely snap. He ragequits SA and forms his own Bloodstars cult based on use of the Bloodmoon fruit. Overuse of psychoactive drugs fuels his psychotic paranoia to new heights, and he commits suicide to prevent the secret conspiracy that controls SA from capturing him and torturing him to gain his secret knowledge.
Quote from: Dante Silverfire on June 07, 2012, 02:02:52 AM
?
Really. Don't underestimate what two insane people working together can do though.
My prediction is that Kabrinskia kicks Terran's teeth in solo after Asylon ceases its involvement and Astrum And Friends backs out because they have no beef with Terran.
Luckily, success is not necessary to my enjoyment, but I just don't see Kabrinskia accepting any terms, only issuing them.
Quote from: Indirik on June 07, 2012, 02:38:31 AM
I predict Glaumring's paranoia finally makes him completely snap. He ragequits SA and forms his own Bloodstars cult based on use of the Bloodmoon fruit. Overuse of psychoactive drugs fuels his psychotic paranoia to new heights, and he commits suicide to prevent the secret conspiracy that controls SA from capturing him and torturing him to gain his secret knowledge.
This (is hilarious).
Half of it has already happened, too!
Quote from: Vellos on June 07, 2012, 01:17:28 AM
New topic:
Taking bets... does the war escalate further, or does one side or the other chicken out and go for peace?
Oh and by "this war" I mean Terran v. Kabrinskia, not Asylon v. Kabrinskia, Astrum, Iashalur, Corsanctum.
No one chickens out. Kabrinskia has better ways to use its army than to start invading Terran, and Terran doesn't want to provoke Astrum and friends by escalating things on their end. My conclusion: Things continue exactly as they are right now for the foreseeable future, unless someone decides to throw all caution to the winds and do something
really crazy.
My prediction: Asylon wins, Allison Kabrinski dethroned and replaced. Astrum withdraws beyond the Wallershire river. Corsanctum returns to quell a rebellion on its own soil led by the prophet. Glaumring is given an apology and Asylon goes on to help Terran fight all sorts of baddies eternally. Their realms known throughout as legendary allies and the strongest of blood brethern. Many Terran women marry Asylonians and Glaumring takes a Terran Queen, the end.
Quote from: Glaumring on June 07, 2012, 04:17:00 AM
My prediction: Asylon wins, Allison Kabrinski dethroned and replaced. Astrum withdraws beyond the Wallershire river. Corsanctum returns to quell a rebellion on its own soil led by the prophet. Glaumring is given an apology and Asylon goes on to help Terran fight all sorts of baddies eternally. Their realms known throughout as legendary allies and the strongest of blood brethern. Many Terran women marry Asylonians and Glaumring takes a Terran Queen, the end.
Wow....that's some good bloodmoon fruit....
Quote from: Dante Silverfire on June 07, 2012, 04:20:36 AM
Wow....that's some good bloodmoon fruit....
Can you overdose on that?
Quote from: Dante Silverfire on June 07, 2012, 04:20:36 AM
Wow....that's some good bloodmoon fruit....
Indeed...
My prediction: Terran gets a somewhat costly peace(moderately bad reparations, no regions lost) and goes home. Asylon loses everything North of Kybcyell. Glaumring is either protested out or rebelled out of power and replaced. Asylon then practically becomes the Libero Empire of the West, autonomous to a degree, but always fearful of upsetting the SA federation(whoa, federation now. But doesn't really change anything. :P). Then my guess is Allison and Kabrinskia decides to pay Terran another visit and a new war starts up. That's as far as I'll go...
Quote from: Geronus on June 07, 2012, 03:47:10 AM
No one chickens out. Kabrinskia has better ways to use its army than to start invading Terran, and Terran doesn't want to provoke Astrum and friends by escalating things on their end. My conclusion: Things continue exactly as they are right now for the foreseeable future, unless someone decides to throw all caution to the winds and do something really crazy.
Well, I did do something really crazy... I offered Terran peace terms. More favorable than the ones Hireshmont gave me /and/ I even offered to not become the next Zuma ambassador like Garret used to be. I also offered to give up the throne and to leave Kabrinskia. I dunno if Terran will accept or not. I did offer to give an apology and accept responsibility and pay them 1000 gold.
Quote from: dustole on June 07, 2012, 05:38:46 AM
Well, I did do something really crazy... I offered Terran peace terms. More favorable than the ones Hireshmont gave me /and/ I even offered to not become the next Zuma ambassador like Garret used to be. I also offered to give up the throne and to leave Kabrinskia. I dunno if Terran will accept or not. I did offer to give an apology and accept responsibility and pay them 1000 gold.
Now that... That
is crazy.
Quote from: dustole on June 07, 2012, 05:38:46 AM
Well, I did do something really crazy... I offered Terran peace terms. More favorable than the ones Hireshmont gave me /and/ I even offered to not become the next Zuma ambassador like Garret used to be. I also offered to give up the throne and to leave Kabrinskia. I dunno if Terran will accept or not. I did offer to give an apology and accept responsibility and pay them 1000 gold.
:O
I win if they accept..
Asylon loses Via and Itau to Kabrinskia, ex-Via nobles move to D'Hara to recuperate/sow the seeds of raaaaaage. Terran sues for peace. Astrum goes home to deal with what is left of Summerdale.
6 months from now, Terran-Barca-Auravandil-D'Hara launches a war against Kabrinskia and the SA federation. Luria secures the Balance area and sets its eyes on Unterstrom to further spread its Empire. A massive West-North-East war begins. Them the Zuma says "!@#$ you all" and rampages all the way to Storm's End.
And they all lived happily ever after.
Quote from: Feylonis on June 07, 2012, 07:32:59 AM
Asylon loses Via and Itau to Kabrinskia, ex-Via nobles move to D'Hara to recuperate/sow the seeds of raaaaaage. Terran sues for peace. Astrum goes home to deal with what is left of Summerdale.
6 months from now, Terran-Barca-Auravandil-D'Hara launches a war against Kabrinskia and the SA federation. Luria secures the Balance area and sets its eyes on Unterstrom to further spread its Empire. A massive West-North-East war begins. Them the Zuma says "!@#$ you all" and rampages all the way to Storm's End.
And they all lived happily ever after.
That... Actually sounds quite exciting.
Terran pools all of its resources together including family wealth, gold from friends elsewhere, sells all their earthly possessions, etc. and gathers an army of 50,000 CS and decides to march on Golden Farrow.
However, all of our nobles find more entertaining things to do and after 3 weeks of trying to get all our nobles from Chateau Saffalore to Faithill, we finally start the invasion of Kabrinskia. 50,000 CS arrives in waves over about 7 turns. The entire army is obliterated by Kabrinskian militia build in Demyansk.
Womp womp...
Quote from: Perth on June 07, 2012, 09:41:06 AM
Terran pools all of its resources together including family wealth, gold from friends elsewhere, sells all their earthly possessions, etc. and gathers an army of 50,000 CS and decides to march on Golden Farrow.
However, all of our nobles find more entertaining things to do and after 3 weeks of trying to get all our nobles from Chateau Saffalore to Faithill, we finally start the invasion of Kabrinskia. 50,000 CS arrives in waves over about 7 turns. The entire army is obliterated by Kabrinskian militia build in Demyansk.
Womp womp...
Wait, did this already happen?
Feylonis is wrong... What is going to actually happen is that 5676433466cs from Aurvandiil is going to smash into Astrum like an asteroid and obliterate their capital city... Asylon will strike Kabrinskia destroying the Cambodian puppet state like a bag of rice at a bayonette party. Afterwards Terran , D'Hara and Asylon will rip apart Astrum like a dumb looking doll at a Slayer concert.... The end.
Quote from: Glaumring on June 07, 2012, 01:59:29 PM
Feylonis is wrong... What is going to actually happen is that 5676433466cs from Aurvandiil is going to smash into Astrum like an asteroid and obliterate their capital city... Asylon will strike Kabrinskia destroying the Cambodian puppet state like a bag of rice at a bayonette party. Afterwards Terran , D'Hara and Asylon will rip apart Astrum like a dumb looking doll at a Slayer concert.... The end.
Win.
Quote from: Glaumring on June 07, 2012, 01:59:29 PM
Feylonis is wrong... What is going to actually happen is that 5676433466cs from Aurvandiil is going to smash into Astrum like an asteroid and obliterate their capital city... Asylon will strike Kabrinskia destroying the Cambodian puppet state like a bag of rice at a bayonette party. Afterwards Terran , D'Hara and Asylon will rip apart Astrum like a dumb looking doll at a Slayer concert.... The end.
Aurvandil is strong, but not that strong(and it's quite a trip North for them). D'Hara and Barca haven't entered the war for various reasons and you think they will just because you say 'hey, we can win if you come!'? Terran is pursuing peace. This war will not end well for Asylon unless something changes.
Edit: And you're not even allies...
The hardest part of Aurvandil getting troops north is the political finagling for passage rights. They would have to get permission from D'Hara to send troops to attack Kabrinskia and/or Astrum. That is a huge escalation of the war, and directly brings D'Hara into the war. Which opens them to attack from the eastern powers, including Corsanctum and Morek.
The distance is long, but not insurmountable. I've batted around some ideas for ways that such long-distance warfare could be done. I doubt too many people would be willing to do it, though.
Ship warfare is too much to ask... Sigh...
We can dream. It'd make coastal cities more dangerous yet profitable to hold, and add a new level of dynamics to world economy, politics, and war. Weather conditions could speed or slow entire fleets, and one could either go with a player-per-ship model like current sea/land travel, or go with a tactic I've seen in a few games where ships depart at regular/irregular intervals and you either make it on the ship or you wait for the next one, a-la proper pre-modern times.
*shrug* Oh well.
Quote from: Ehndras on June 07, 2012, 05:19:42 PM
Ship warfare is too much to ask... Sigh...
It is, in fact,
the stereotypical example used to indicate that a feature request has gone too far. "Requires ship-to-ship combat" is BM feature requests' "jumped the shark" ;D
Quote from: Ehndras on June 07, 2012, 05:19:42 PM
Ship warfare is too much to ask... Sigh...
We can dream. It'd make coastal cities more dangerous yet profitable to hold, and add a new level of dynamics to world economy, politics, and war. Weather conditions could speed or slow entire fleets, and one could either go with a player-per-ship model like current sea/land travel, or go with a tactic I've seen in a few games where ships depart at regular/irregular intervals and you either make it on the ship or you wait for the next one, a-la proper pre-modern times.
*shrug* Oh well.
That WOULD be so cool. But something tells me the coding for that would be a huge undertaking.
Mmm... here's to hoping the war explodes into an island-wide conflict >_>
Quote from: Anaris on June 07, 2012, 05:22:06 PM
It is, in fact, the stereotypical example used to indicate that a feature request has gone too far. "Requires ship-to-ship combat" is BM feature requests' "jumped the shark" ;D
Hmm. What if it was just that every coast city could travel to every other coast city? Could that be done?
Auravandil and Morek are both too far away to be constant players in the war. On top of that, Auravandil either has to go through Barca (by the way, three Barcan lords recently switched allegiance to Auravandil, so I doubt the Barcans would happily allow an Auravandil army through their lands), or D'Hara, which has played a strategic neutrality. Terran is suing for peace; they were never really much of a 'war realm'. Asylon has a huge border to defend - not to mention a border that's poorly defended.
It *could* be done, without an extreme amount of effort.
But it won't be done.
Quote from: Feylonis on June 07, 2012, 05:53:13 PM
Auravandil and Morek are both too far away to be constant players in the war. On top of that, Auravandil either has to go through Barca (by the way, three Barcan lords recently switched allegiance to Auravandil, so I doubt the Barcans would happily allow an Auravandil army through their lands), or D'Hara, which has played a strategic neutrality. Terran is suing for peace; they were never really much of a 'war realm'. Asylon has a huge border to defend - not to mention a border that's poorly defended.
And this is why Asylon is doomed to lose this war. ^^
@Indirik: I thought as much. Oh well. Nice to fantasize about such things.
Quote from: Uzamaki on June 07, 2012, 05:35:38 PM
Hmm. What if it was just that every coast city could travel to every other coast city? Could that be done?
You should do one of two things:
1. See if there's already a thread specifically for this in the Development forum (even if there isn't, I am *positive* that this exact idea has been mentioned there somewhere) and comment there.
2. Start a new thread if you can't find an old one.
Quote from: Geronus on June 07, 2012, 05:56:12 PM
You should do one of two things:
1. See if there's already a thread specifically for this in the Development forum (even if there isn't, I am *positive* that this exact idea has been mentioned there somewhere) and comment there.
2. Start a new thread if you can't find an old one.
Haha, it's okay, I'm done talking about it now. I am very ADD...
So does anyone here think Asylon will be completely destroyed?
Quote from: Uzamaki on June 07, 2012, 05:54:56 PM
And this is why Asylon is doomed to lose this war. ^^
@Indirik: I thought as much. Oh well. Nice to fantasize about such things.
Yeah they said that about Vietnam...
Quote from: Uzamaki on June 07, 2012, 06:04:29 PM
So does anyone here think Asylon will be completely destroyed?
Not unless they pull a Caerwyn.
Funny how Terran attacking a theocracy and Asylon attacking a theocracy is two different things.
Quote from: Glaumring on June 07, 2012, 06:18:45 PM
Funny how Terran attacking a theocracy and Asylon attacking a theocracy is two different things.
Terran doesn't practically declare war on the Church. Terran declares war on
Kabrinskia.
Moderator moment: Insults deleted. Keep it polite, or quit posting.
Quote from: Glaumring on June 07, 2012, 06:25:25 PM
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Yes. Yes you are. But you aren't exactly on the in crowd. And while I agree all the fundamentalist theocracies are out to kill all other realms, saying it to their face is not very diplomatic. Or tactful. Which is part of the reason you have so many realms against you.
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Edit: Sorry Indirik. Didn't check what the new post was when I posted.
Ok ill play...
This is murder revenge plain and simple... Terran declared war on Kabrinskia a Truinist heavy realm and no problem. Asylon is a heavy pro -Astroist kingdom and all of the theocracies want to kill us , murder us for attacking Kabrinskia. There is a cabal of rulers I managed to piss off, this is their revenge pure and simple. Lets not forget I am an Astroist king and our kingdom has several Astroist temples... How dare you say Asylon attacked the church. We attacked Kabrinskia for being a bully and constant threats and this is what happebs to us... Bloody murder and dark revenge. I want an apology from you for slandering Asylons righteous fight against this cabal.
Quote from: Uzamaki on June 07, 2012, 06:29:11 PM
Yes. Yes you are. But you aren't exactly on the in crowd. And while I agree all the fundamentalist theocracies are out to kill all other realms, saying it to their face is not very diplomatic. Or tactful. Which is part of the reason you have so many realms against you.
Moderator note: Quoting of deleted post has been deleted.
Edit: Sorry Indirik. Didn't check what the new post was when I posted.
Diplomatic or tactful doesnt mean anything. Its a cabal of rulers who have been allied and with single direction and concept since the founding of Morek. If you aren't apart of that original group of founding Astroists you will be destroyed.
Quote from: Glaumring on June 07, 2012, 06:39:39 PM
Diplomatic or tactful doesnt mean anything. Its a cabal of rulers who have been allied and with single direction and concept since the founding of Morek. If you aren't apart of that original group of founding Astroists you will be destroyed.
So how about trying to drive them apart in stead of giving them a common enemy?
Quote from: Glaumring on June 07, 2012, 06:34:50 PM
Ok ill play...
This is murder revenge plain and simple... Terran declared war on Kabrinskia a Truinist heavy realm and no problem. Asylon is a heavy pro -Astroist kingdom and all of the theocracies want to kill us , murder us for attacking Kabrinskia. There is a cabal of rulers I managed to piss off, this is their revenge pure and simple. Lets not forget I am an Astroist king and our kingdom has several Astroist temples... How dare you say Asylon attacked the church. We attacked Kabrinskia for being a bully and constant threats and this is what happebs to us... Bloody murder and dark revenge. I want an apology from you for slandering Asylons righteous fight against this cabal.
I never said Asylon attacked the Church. I said Terran
didn't attack the church.
And Asylon isn't attacking the Church. Their king is attacking the fundamentalists realms which control the Church hierarchy, thereby attacking what is viewed as the Church. You are right, they are attacking you because you managed to piss them off. They are also attacking you because this is battlemaster and Kabrinskia wants more territory. Deal with it.
If diplomacy or tact meant nothing, Terran, a realm you yourself said was heavily Triunist, wouldn't even be open to negotiations with the Astrocracies.
We are all their common enemy. What do you think that the Astroist kingdoms of the east are all of a sudden change policy one day when enough leaders start being nice? Its the Taliban, there is only your death and a pure Astroist theocratic Dwilight... If you think your fancy little republic or cute little Religion has a chance you are mistaken.
Asylon got in !@#$ because one of our nobles got over anxious and attacked Allison, and then I insulted Geronus for asking or saying something dumb. Everyone who for months was enemies of Allison then showed their true colors and turned on me. Everyone, even the prophet and Corsanctum. All because of a student new noble assasin and my own anger at Geronus. Thats why I must pay and my realm destroyed because I tried to remove Allison from our region... No one wants that to happen because there is two policies in SA one is to act like they care about your realm and the other is to then send in people like Allison to provoke regions around and when they react, blame them, malign them and then smash them. Asylon refused to go full theocracy because we needed the nobles, that pissed off SA they have been planning this for a very very long time and now have an excuse to act... So either join them or join us in fighting for diversity... Because your are about to be assimulated....
Quote from: Glaumring on June 07, 2012, 06:34:50 PMTerran declared war on Kabrinskia a Truinist heavy realm and no problem.
Because we all knew that Allison provoked it. And we all knew when we put Allison in charge in Golden Farrow that this is what she would do. So of course we let them fight it out.
QuoteAsylon is a heavy pro -Astroist kingdom and all of the theocracies want to kill us , murder us for attacking Kabrinskia.
This is incorrect. No one wants to kill Asylon. They want to reign in Asylon and Mad King Glaumring.
QuoteThere is a cabal of rulers I managed to piss off, this is their revenge pure and simple.
Yeah..... no.
QuoteWe attacked Kabrinskia for being a bully and constant threats and this is what happebs to us...
You picked a really, really bad way to do it. The current situation is a result of your political ineptitude, psychotic paranoia, and wildly unpredictable actions.
Perhaps it is those things. But while we were defending Terran Allison would say to us " perhaps I'll get Astrum and we will take Itau from you" and that was because we wouldnt attack Terran. It was Kabrinskias original policy to destroy Terran things didnt turn out that way because of my insulting Geronus and the assasin attack on Allison. Yeah so paranoid and unpredictable is what happens when you are being threatened and split on puropse and trying to do the right thing. And then everyone freaks out on you thereby verifying ones paranoia... You are taking over Wallershire and you call me paranoid, Corsanctum is in Kabrinskia, the prophet wont speak as a friend to us, and you call me paranoid? Everything I feared is happening... I'd call myself prescient if anything.
Why not back off and let us cool down and gather our thoughts instead of holding a knife to our throats while seething ' calm down '
Quote from: Glaumring on June 07, 2012, 06:51:46 PM
We are all their common enemy. What do you think that the Astroist kingdoms of the east are all of a sudden change policy one day when enough leaders start being nice? Its the Taliban, there is only your death and a pure Astroist theocratic Dwilight... If you think your fancy little republic or cute little Religion has a chance you are mistaken.
Asylon got in !@#$ because one of our nobles got over anxious and attacked Allison, and then I insulted Geronus for asking or saying something dumb. Everyone who for months was enemies of Allison then showed their true colors and turned on me. Everyone, even the prophet and Corsanctum. All because of a student new noble assasin and my own anger at Geronus. Thats why I must pay and my realm destroyed because I tried to remove Allison from our region... No one wants that to happen because there is two policies in SA one is to act like they care about your realm and the other is to then send in people like Allison to provoke regions around and when they react, blame them, malign them and then smash them. Asylon refused to go full theocracy because we needed the nobles, that pissed off SA they have been planning this for a very very long time and now have an excuse to act... So either join them or join us in fighting for diversity... Because your are about to be assimulated....
You're right! Terran has no chance alone. Which is why we want to pull out. Shino, my character, fought for a long time to not let down our ally Asylon. Asylon, our most powerful ally. Asylon, the only one who truly knows the dangers of the Sanguis Astroism realms to the North of us.
But, while I was doing that, you were talking trash and insulting every realm along the way to start the war, and then sad about losing and saying everyone was out to get you, and now angry, saying Asylon will prevail, but everyone is still out to get you. That is as bipolar as I have seen any Chief Diplomat get.
Quote from: Glaumring on June 07, 2012, 06:39:39 PMIts a cabal of rulers who have been allied and with single direction and concept since the founding of Morek.
For the record, here is the list of the 14 nobles who were in Astrum at the approximate time of the founding of Sanguis Astroism, which was somewhere around one month after the first turn that was run on Dwilight:
- Jason Hawk (left to travel the world, spent a short time in Astrum, then disappeared)
- Deverka Cryfdwr, First Grandmaster of Morek and Duke ofDonghaiwei (Killed in battle)
- Horus Darkfire, First Ordermarshal of Morek (disappeared)
- Serkan Colorad, became a Marshal in Corsanctum (disappeared)
- Brance Indirik, first Viscount of Linhai, Duke of the Northern Isle, Margrave of Libidizedd, and Regent of Sanguis Astroism, former Vasilif of Astrum
- Osric Inspirion (disappeared)
- Allison Kabrinski, First Marquis of Donghai, former Grandmistress of Xinhai/Morek Empire, now Grandmistress of Kabrinskia
- Alexander Wulf (disappeared)
- Marrick Montrez, First Coffermaster of Morek (disappeared)
- Annabelliun 'Runner' West, one-time Grandmistress of Xinhai (disappeared)
- Vesuvis Addridae, First Marshal of the Grand-Order of Morek, eventual founding colonist of Aquilegia, and Duke of Flowrestown (disappeared)
- Mathurin Hossenfeffer, First High Inquisitor of Morek and Marquess of Caiyun, now Holy Prophet of Sangus Astroism
- Zyrdan Olik (disappeared)
- Dolvir Hvassi (disappeared)
Only the ones in green are left. Note that only one is actually a ruler. So... the three of us that are left form a grand cabal out to kill everyone who is not one of us three? And we've been allied since the beginning, the despite that fact that Allison nearly killed Astrum with a campaign of starvation of black market trading? And the fact that the rulers of 4 of the 5 theocracies weren't even in Morek back then?
Seriously, your paranoia has really taken you over the edge.
Cant seem to dig out of this hole... Or think clear anymore about direction in the game. I dont know if ill recover from this...
Wasn't Aram there too?
Aram showed up about a month after the founding of the church. Check temple records for the exact timing.
Quote from: Glaumring on June 07, 2012, 07:12:40 PM
Cant seem to dig out of this hole... Or think clear anymore about direction in the game. I dont know if ill recover from this...
Here is my suggestion: Put the past behind you. Remember that this is a game and people are just out to have fun, not out to get you, even when the odds are stacked against you. Try to be more diplomatic and less erratic, politically and emotionally. Also, if you feel you can't get on the forum without losing your cool, take a break from the forum. We have all been there, angry or frustrated with something(especially the more competitive players...). It isn't worth it. Just keep your cool and keep yourself in check and think about things in game and out of game.
That's my suggestion, you can take it or leave it. But I think it could really help if you took it.
Its good advice. Im going to step down as king. I mucked up big and this character is ruined.
Could be fun to RP the spiraling descent into madness.
I have embarrased myself too much.
Quote from: Glaumring on June 07, 2012, 07:57:09 PM
I have embarrased myself too much.
It's not against you! You're not your character.
Quote from: vonGenf on June 07, 2012, 08:17:57 PM
It's not against you! You're not your character.
Exactly. Remember, it's just a game. ;)
Well, why not incite a political rebellion while RPing your king going mad? :P
Have fun with it! I did that once when I was 14, I made a serious mistake on some Fantasy-Medieval RP game (Noob mistake, mistook some history and started a war <_<), so I made an OOC deal with my men to RP my guy doing his ineffectual psychological flailing while allowing them to set things up for my succession, rather than make the passing-on more confusing and damaging to the nation.
Quote from: Indirik on June 07, 2012, 07:06:21 PM
For the record, here is the list of the 14 nobles who were in Astrum at the approximate time of the founding of Sanguis Astroism, which was somewhere around one month after the first turn that was run on Dwilight:
- Horus Darkfire, First Ordermarshal of Morek (disappeared)
Seriously, your paranoia has really taken you over the edge.
Eh, close enough. The reason Morek made the cut as one of the original realms was because of the SA backstory, so it was present in some form before Dwilight even opened, I'm pretty sure.
Regardless, I was Horus Darkfire. Had a fairly amicable relationship with Allison while I was there. But my character in Asylon is one of the staunchest anti-Allison people out there, and everyone in Asylon knows it. So yeah, definitely not a cabal going on with the founders. Not only are most of those characters gone, but I think most of those players are too.
Quote from: Morningstar on June 07, 2012, 09:14:18 PMEh, close enough. The reason Morek made the cut as one of the original realms was because of the SA backstory, so it was present in some form before Dwilight even opened, I'm pretty sure.
I'm not sure what this means. Morek was one of the four realms created by Tom as the original realms of Dwilight. Tom gave the names of the realms and the style of realm it would be, and we created banners for them based on those descriptions. Deverka's player won the banner competition for Morek's banner, as was granted a free hero character in Morek as its first noble. Deverka then created the whole Bloodstars theme inspired by the banner he created. He didn't even have a name for it. We voted (informally) in the realm to select the name for the religion.
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Contests/Dwilight_Realm_Banners
Quote from: Glaumring on June 07, 2012, 07:38:29 PM
Its good advice. Im going to step down as king. I mucked up big and this character is ruined.
Do not step down for OOC reason: Glaumring might be paranoid and mad, but that is precisely why he shouldn't want to step down.
Keep up the paranoid madness, even in the middle ages people had to deal with the madness of kings - having to deal with it, be that faithfulness or betrayal, is FUN.
Quote from: Indirik on June 07, 2012, 09:33:34 PM
I'm not sure what this means. Morek was one of the four realms created by Tom as the original realms of Dwilight. Tom gave the names of the realms and the style of realm it would be, and we created banners for them based on those descriptions. Deverka's player won the banner competition for Morek's banner, as was granted a free hero character in Morek as its first noble. Deverka then created the whole Bloodstars theme inspired by the banner he created. He didn't even have a name for it. We voted (informally) in the realm to select the name for the religion.
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Contests/Dwilight_Realm_Banners
Yeah, I'm saying it was pretty well put together except for the name by the time the island opened up. Maybe a month later it was "official".
Quote from: Dhalgren on June 07, 2012, 09:45:49 PM
Do not step down for OOC reason: Glaumring might be paranoid and mad, but that is precisely why he shouldn't want to step down.
Keep up the paranoid madness, even in the middle ages people had to deal with the madness of kings - having to deal with it, be that faithfulness or betrayal, is FUN.
If it's a serious OOC reason, like this one, and it is only causing him stress, then stepping down and having a bit less on his shoulders would be good. OOC trumps IC when it comes to someone's emotional well-being.
Quote from: Gustav Kuriga on June 07, 2012, 10:47:09 PM
If it's a serious OOC reason, like this one, and it is only causing him stress, then stepping down and having a bit less on his shoulders would be good. OOC trumps IC when it comes to someone's emotional well-being.
Indeed. I was not clear. reformulating: do not step down because you think ooc that the character is ruined, for it is not. don't worry if the character has no direction, the others character will have to deal with it and it makes the game interesting.
but i agree with Gustav, if it is causing too much stress then step down, improvise an accidental death and start another character or whatever.
in all honesty, i think the forum might be stressing you out more than the character ig
Insanity is difficult to roleplay not just conceptually but because other characters will usually react negatively, so even a well-played madman will often end up a pariah. I think you've done a good job so far, G, for what it's worth, but I understand why you'd feel the way you do. I've been roleplaying long enough (before I came to BM) to have gone down that same road myself.
If you're really set on retiring him, then I'd like to offer thanks for making my (admittedly short) Dwilight experience a little more colorful.
Quote from: Indirik on June 07, 2012, 07:24:19 PM
Check temple records for the exact timing.
I kind of love that "temple records" are the longest dated records we have, and are utterly reliable.
I should have stayed in Asylon.
You could have been the next Mad King of Asylon.
Really, it should become a realm tradition. It would be a highly unique realm theme.
I find I get wound up coming onto the forum to correct peoples unfactual information about Asylon. Most of the stuff about Asylon is either dissing us or talking about how useless we are. Or how the realm is torn apart, or the king is mad etc etc. Glaumring is not a mad king. He is a zealous king and willing to be a tragic hero if it causes a better story. I messed up the strategy I had been on for the last two years etc has blown up and now Im on the verge of being destroyed by half of Dwilight, surrounded by weak unwilling allies in a difficult strategic place on the map with the Zuma breathing down my neck for months then the Kabrinskians and now the entire SA realms. Asylon cannot survive under that pressure. And its finally come down to the wire. Im going to try and stay away from the forums, but I hate readibg crap about Asylon that people spread on the forums to spread disinformation IG or affect their attitude to us.
I would think that if the entirety of Dwilight knows my characters and cares, that's already a feat. To be known as a Mad King is even better. Since when do people get to make up their own nick names? :P
Relax and enjoy the ride.
Everyone knows Allison is crazy. She still manages to prosper even when no one really trusts/likes her.
I still haven't managed to come up with a nickname for Allison. We've got the Peasant Queen Haruka, Baal the Betrayer, Amandil the Butcher, and Mad King Glaumring. Maybe some day we'll get one for Allison.
Quote from: Indirik on June 08, 2012, 04:56:12 AM
I still haven't managed to come up with a nickname for Allison. We've got the Peasant Queen Haruka, Baal the Betrayer, Amandil the Butcher, and Mad King Glaumring. Maybe some day we'll get one for Allison.
What about Luminary of the Maddening?
Allison the Unholy? Allison of the Maddening Star? Allison the Blood Matron? Etc.
Quote from: Dante Silverfire on June 08, 2012, 05:01:33 AM
Luminary of the Maddening?
Thats not a nickname but a title of the church so if you did make it her nickname it would be quite confusing and would make more sense atleast being Light instead of Luminary since Light is the higher rank. Also Allison is truely more of Auspicious because Allison plots to get what she wants where Glaumring is the maddening star dude since its seems he does stuff based off emotion.
Addled Allison?
Quote from: Indirik on June 08, 2012, 04:56:12 AM
I still haven't managed to come up with a nickname for Allison. We've got the Peasant Queen Haruka, Baal the Betrayer, Amandil the Butcher, and Mad King Glaumring. Maybe some day we'll get one for Allison.
Allison the Apostate? I mean, she's not quite there yet, but she's been skirting the edge for years...
Crazy Bitch?
@Glaumring: So you pull Asylon down a proverbial bottomless pit and then blank out on us? Classy. Real classy.
Quote from: Feylonis on June 08, 2012, 08:57:01 AM
@Glaumring: So you pull Asylon down a proverbial bottomless pit and then blank out on us? Classy. Real classy.
Almost as classy as continuing to OOC attack someone rather than taking your cue from everyone else, who backed off when they realised how much this was stressing him. Drop it.
Well, if I ever need a nickname for Allison, now I have some :)
Quote from: Indirik on June 08, 2012, 11:18:43 AM
Well, if I ever need a nickname for Allison, now I have some :)
Hmm, perhaps she needs her own thread. 'Nicknames and name-calling for Allison'. :P
Quote from: Uzamaki on June 08, 2012, 04:56:20 PM
Hmm, perhaps she needs her own thread. 'Nicknames and name-calling for Allison'. :P
that sounds like fun
So how goes the war front....
Right now we are having peace talks.
Then why is Asylon in Elets
Because that's where the cookies are?
Also, this is the Terran/Kabrinskia thread. Terran and Kabrinskia are discussing peace terms.
Quote from: dustole on June 12, 2012, 01:58:03 PM
Right now we are having peace talks.
shh... don't tell the others...
Actually, we're discussing terms to take Allison Kabrinski into Véinsørmoot custody. :-X
Quote from: Perth on June 13, 2012, 02:46:35 AM
Actually, we're discussing terms to take Allison Kabrinski into Véinsørmoot custody. :-X
Technically that is true...
Quote from: dustole on June 13, 2012, 04:52:29 AM
Technically that is true...
Well thats quite interesting.